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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furious on April 15, 2003, 04:19:25 PM
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In a related thread having to do with the porking of fuel, those that complained were told to, "buck it up, and fly a goony". This misses the point entirely.
AH is entertainment. It should always be entertaining. The MA strat can make it not entertaining. Therefore, we are sometimes paying to be not entertained. So...
2 questions:
Is the MA supposed to simulate war?
Is the MA a game based on war?
If the answer to the first is yes, we have a whole lotta problems. We all now that in its present form, the MA cannot be this. ToD might be a good try.
If the answer to the second is yes, then why does all of the fighting in the MA need to be in relation to a bastardized notion of stategic targets.
Admit it. Our strat is gamey. It may be fun to blow up, but its still gamey.
Why not offer options to folks, within the paradigm of the MA, to not partake of "strat"? I see no reason why some areas can't be devoid of strat targets. Areas that in them selves have no bearing on the outcome of the "war".
The naysayers ask, "Furious, why don't you just go to the DA?".
My answer:
Because AH is nothing else if not a community. I like to partake of the community. The community is in the MA.
More options are not bad things.
I know that this has no bearing on the current AH1 MA. But hopefully HT and co. will design in more options for the future.
F.
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Furious...
I think you are just trying to beef up your number of posts :D. This is a thinly veiled 'give us a fighter town' thread :).
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You may be right, but I wasn't thinking of it that way.
I was thinking of multiple pockets where no strat items would exist. Not necessarily a "dedicated fighter town".
Dirt runways with maybe limited spawning. That type of thing.
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I'll sign... and maybe some way to automatically rip a person's wingtips off if they go above 8k? :D
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OK, so you want a BIG furball arena. Why does everything think that splitting off into multiple arenas will harm the community? There are thousands of Quake FPS style servers, and they are all relatively small, 64 players or less. Yet none of these folks complain about a lack of community. That what the BB is for. I really think they should have opened a new MA at 500 players, this lag is getting really bad.
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Originally posted by g00b
OK, so you want a BIG furball arena. ...
Point to where I indicated this.
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I think the problem is that there are a lot of new guys who don't have a lot of skill so they feel comfortable in a large group.. they may not kill anything but they stay alive a lot longer.. they also get to feel like they are a part of some sort of a "victory" when they join the gamgbang "missun" ... some, simply think they are WWII pilots.
I allways looked at these sims as being a simulation of the height of prop planes.... WWII... I want the best FM's and damage and gunnery... I have allways been a history buff and like mechanical things... I allways wanted to see how this or that plane would do against it's peers. Gangbangs and strat hold no appeal for me.
lazs
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If its capturable, the Bishops will capture it. See Tank Town on Trinity.
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Originally posted by Furious
AH is entertainment. It should always be entertaining. The MA strat can make it not entertaining. Therefore, we are sometimes paying to be not entertained.
The naysayers ask, "Furious, why don't you just go to the DA?".
My answer:
Because AH is nothing else if not a community. I like to partake of the community. The community is in the MA.
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The majority evidently find the MA strat not only entertaining, but very much entertaining.
If your complaining about paying for something to entertain you ,and it is not doing so, then you are the only one that holds the key to the solution for this.
You say AH is nothing else if not a community and you like to partake of the community. Evidently the "community" enjoyment is coming from something that you dislike and find irritating.
You state the community is in the MA. You have answered your own questions with this. You either like it or don`t like it. The MA is either entertaining to you as it`s set up , or it`s not entertaining. You can either be part of the community or choose not to do so. No one is forcing you to do anything against your own wishs.
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So I guess what is needed is one big arena, with a tank town, a fighter town, a strat area, a boat area, etc., etc., etc. All in the name of "community". I guess "community" means it adds to the enjoyment to be able to put down others for their preferred style of play while engaged in yours? That's the only purpose I can see for having it all in one arena. This would bring channel 1 to a whole new level of idiocy.
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Arfann, you having a bad day?
...anyway.
The new maps have 262,144 square miles. Seems to be more than enough room for a few different options.
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I love the game.
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Beefing up the amount of ord it takes to kill fuel would do a lot for my mental well-being. You realize a half-ass tiffie pilot can reduce a small base's fuel to 25% singlehandedly right?
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Originally posted by Furious
Arfann, you having a bad day?
No, but thanks for caring.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think the problem is that there are a lot of new guys who don't have a lot of skill so they feel comfortable in a large group.. they may not kill anything but they stay alive a lot longer.. they also get to feel like they are a part of some sort of a "victory" when they join the gamgbang "missun" ... some, simply think they are WWII pilots.
I allways looked at these sims as being a simulation of the height of prop planes.... WWII... I want the best FM's and damage and gunnery... I have allways been a history buff and like mechanical things... I allways wanted to see how this or that plane would do against it's peers. Gangbangs and strat hold no appeal for me.
lazs
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It`s not a problem with new guys flying with a group. It`s great. The new guys can get the feel of the game and the way each plane handles , etc. When they feel they have became a part of some kind of a "victory" is usualy when they have been a part of something that was a success. If it was a success, then it means someone dropped the ball on the other end, ie. no defense. If dar is not porked it`s no mystery what the big dar bar is way in advance. You have the choice of becoming part of the defense well in advance or kickin back, letting it happen , and cruise off to calmer waters. We, the Bish, have been gettin our proverbial behinds kicked lately, mostly because we have been dropping the ball and lack of SA, but it has been a ball getin there. There`s definitely been no lack of action in the air. You can always find a good fight. If youre not finding one, your not looking very hard. If strat holds no appeal to you I`m afraid you picked the wrong game, or more accurately, the wrong arena. Most of us like to do a little of all of it, in other words, we play the game. An arcade type shootem up with no ends or means wouldn`t appeal to us. That`s why we picked AH to begin with.
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jakal... I don't believe that "missuns" are conducive to good fights... gangbangs are not "good fights" steamrolling fields because you have the numbers are not good fights... success is measured differently by different players..
If the fields were closer together and the combatants met somewhjere in the middle it would open up the game for more than just the "missun dudz"...
once the field is porked by the suicide missun types or once the horde arrives... there is no point in sticking around... I look for something a little less lopsided.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
jakal... I don't believe that "missuns" are conducive to good fights... gangbangs are not "good fights" steamrolling fields because you have the numbers are not good fights...
Missions are very conductive to good fights if you up to defend against them. I f you don`t up when you see the bad guys on dar then you don`t really care what happens to the field, so it shouldn`t concern you one way or the other. No problem there.
The simple fact is the MA is based on capture, strat , etc. That`s just the way it is. A player has a choice in either participating or not. You can either play it the way it is set up at any given time or you can go to another arena more to your liking. If neither choice suits you then your in the wrong game. I can certainly understand you having interest in flying the early models, that`s your choice, nothing wrong with that, but, the way it`s set up you can either fly with the rest of the planes , including bombers, Gvs, PTs, and missions or not fly MA at all. It very well may not be the game for you, it can`t please each individuals wishs.
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Maybe it is gamey because...well..um....it is a GAME?
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so jakal... what you are saying is that gangbang or be gangbanged is the way it should be because "wining the war" (and that hawaiian vacaation) is the object of the game?
I am saying that you could do the same thing (win the war) and make for fun, less lopsided fights by simply moving the fields closer... I, and the other furballers would like to meet halfway. I wouldn't mind flying 3/4 of a sector to the enemy field to get a good fight out of it... to some it might even appear that myu killing 4 or 5 planes was "helping the war"... truth would be, as allways... I would be going where the action was...
If the field was being mobbed by a horde I would still not up... I would have another close field fight to choose from tho.. Or... I could up one field back and meet the horde as they took off from the new field if.. if enough others took off with me to even things up... it is all about choice.. now, the only choices are to go with the horde or avoid the horde.
lazs
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If its capturable, the Bishops will capture it. See Tank Town on Trinity.
LOL that is SO true!
I never imagined anyone would be dumb enough to spend the whole day capturing empty targets (effectively fighting only A.I.) untill I witnessed it during the bish horde times.
200 vs 50 - I guess it's only reasonable that there are only AI targets left to fight with.
As a sidenote, nothing used to suck worse than 2 no-lifers climbing 2 hours in buffs just to pork the dar from 100 other players. Strat? Screw strat.
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IMO-I always thought that the main arena was a game with a beginning and an end. Just like any other board game, sports game or video game for that matter. In sports the end game is to get the most points with in a certian time period, board games, its to get the most money or to get all the pies before your opponents. Do you play monoply just to roll the dice and move around the board in endless circles, not engaging in the buying or selling of properties?, Or , in Football, do you just run around the field with no intrest in helping your teammates score a touch down or a field goal? No of course not because if you did you'de be the next water boy or towel boy. In the MA. the objective is to win the reset. That means the use of strategy and team work. Not mindless and unproductive furballing. Personally I wish they would get rid of tank city in the trintity map because it eats up resources that could be used productivly elsewere. I often feel like saying to those who dont wish to participate in assisting thier country is" hey if you just wanna furball go to TA or DA, otherwise help your country." Some time I go to special arena or Tod because instead of spending 2-3 days or more to meet the objective of the game, it only lasts an hour or so and everyone there is expected to work as a team. Maybe they can have a tank town, fighter town and ship town all in one arena? I often enjoy, as do my squadies, getting away from the MA due to frustration or just need a change of pace. But if we're in the MA we are doing something constructive. Each arena was constructed for a specific purpose and mindless furballing in the air or on the ground was not what MA was ment for. People join squads in MA to form team work. I don't see people form squads in TA OR DA because it's in those arenas where you can go off and do your own thing without having to be apart some something.
On a side note , Im often online during the day EST and at night and from 7am est till 9pm est the knights are out numbered 4-1. We get ganged banged and steam rolled due to having the fewest numbers (the path of least resistance). It seems the country that wins the reset is the one who is able to take enough bases during the time when they have the most numbers in order to carry them during the low periods until they have the numbers again. I don't know how to rectify this unless there was some way of reassigning the default country when new users sign on based on certain criteria such as large desparity of numbers between the counties.
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Originally posted by meddog
IMO-I always thought that the main arena was a game with a beginning and an end. Just like any other board game, sports game or video game for that matter. In sports the end game is to get the most points with in a certian time period, board games, its to get the most money or to get all the pies before your opponents. Do you play monoply just to roll the dice and move around the board in endless circles, not engaging in the buying or selling of properties?, Or , in Football, do you just run around the field with no intrest in helping your teammates score a touch down or a field goal? No of course not because if you did you'de be the next water boy or towel boy. In the MA. the objective is to win the reset. That means the use of strategy and team work. Not mindless and unproductive furballing. Personally I wish they would get rid of tank city in the trintity map because it eats up resources that could be used productivly elsewere. I often feel like saying to those who dont wish to participate in assisting thier country is" hey if you just wanna furball go to TA or DA, otherwise help your country." Some time I go to special arena or Tod because instead of spending 2-3 days or more to meet the objective of the game, it only lasts an hour or so and everyone there is expected to work as a team. Maybe they can have a tank town, fighter town and ship town all in one arena? I often enjoy, as do my squadies, getting away from the MA due to frustration or just need a change of pace. But if we're in the MA we are doing something constructive. Each arena was constructed for a specific purpose and mindless furballing in the air or on the ground was not what MA was ment for. People join squads in MA to form team work. I don't see people form squads in TA OR DA because it's in those arenas where you can go off and do your own thing without having to be apart some something.
I concur completely
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Originally posted by lazs2
so jakal... what you are saying is that gangbang or be gangbanged is the way it should be because "wining the war" (and that hawaiian vacaation) is the object of the game?
lazs
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Nope, never said that`s the way it is, because it most defintely is not. Nope, never said that`s the way it should be. What I did say is you have the choice of either participating or not participating in the MA as it is set up at any given time. That`s just the facts . Life`s a biatch, deal with it. :D
I don`t believe you have as much comprhension probs as you have the "World should be according to Laz" syndrone.
There is an object to the game, although it is not quite like you describe it. If their was not an object to the game there wouldn`t be a game .
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""", in Football, do you just run around the field with no intrest in helping your teammates score a touch down or a field goal? """"
i thought they called that soccer?
me likee MA just fine, plenty good fight, much furballs, me no understand people say is no furball only "gangbang", i see plenty good furball , some furballs last for hours , land and air.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am saying that you could do the same thing (win the war) and make for fun, less lopsided fights by simply moving the fields closer... I, and the other furballers would like to meet halfway. I wouldn't mind flying 3/4 of a sector to the enemy field to get a good fight out of it... to some it might even appear that myu killing 4 or 5 planes was "helping the war"... truth would be, as allways... I would be going where the action was...
lazs
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Yea, we have noticed the "move the fields closer together" idea a couple hundred times. :D You have been told that an area is being worked on that includes that,but still you continue to whine and drone on about it. The term, "he wouldn`t be happy if you hung him with a new rope", comes to mind. NB doesn`t have to do it. You might want to keep that in mind.
You would like to meet halfway and you wouldn`t mind flying 3/4 of sector? Well golly gee Lez, don`t put yourself out. lmao
You say you would be going where the action was. I think "action" might be a tad more than youre ticker could handle. It might require you to actualy put a little effort in it, and we no for a fact that`s not gonna happen.:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
If the field was being mobbed by a horde I would still not up... I would have another close field fight to choose from tho.. Or... I could up one field back and meet the horde as they took off from the new field if.. if enough others took off with me to even things up... it is all about choice.. now, the only choices are to go with the horde or avoid the horde.
lazs
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We know you won`t up to protect a field, but, you sure like to whine about it being hit.
You would have another close field fight to choose from or you could up one field back and meet the horde as they took off from the new field???? BS, that would be breaking the ole halfway or 3/4 of a sector rule in The Book Of Laz. :D
If enough others took off with you????????? Rut Roh! That might be bordering on a violation of "Laz shalt not horde" commandment. Note: Page 2, verse .... well over and over and over.:D
Play it the way it`s set up at any given time or don`t. That`s the way it is. Lead , follow, or get the hell out the way.
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jakal... of course you don't know anything about me... I don't ever even see you in the arena. Why pretend you know all about the way I play?
As for "it's being worked on" who cares? Glad it's being worked on but that's not the same as "it's done" is it now? When it's done we will have something different to talk about eh?
as for me not working hard enough in AH to have fun..... If I wanted to work hard and be bored.... I woulda just stayed at work and made the overtime.
lazs
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There is an area devoid of strat... the CT.
I like the plane matchups but without strat it's dull.
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Originally posted by lazs2
jakal... of course you don't know anything about me... I don't ever even see you in the arena. Why pretend you know all about the way I play?
As for "it's being worked on" who cares? Glad it's being worked on but that's not the same as "it's done" is it now? When it's done we will have something different to talk about eh?
as for me not working hard enough in AH to have fun..... If I wanted to work hard and be bored.... I woulda just stayed at work and made the overtime.
lazs
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( Note: In an earlier post You made the statement that you had observed the way I play the game on numerous occasions. So..I guess you having a little prob in the ole memory dept. along with the reading comprhension that`s letin you down eh?)
That`s strange, I see you all the time.:D Example. Last night when someone entered the arena and asked "where`s the action?" you replied with " There is no action, this is the pizza map". We had been in a constant battle between bases for about an hour and a half and it was still going strong. I was thinking maybe the door was stuck on the tower you were in and you couldn`t get out with the rest of us. :D
Who cares if it`s being worked on? Well.anyone who appreciates the people that`s putting the effort in it, up to this point and in the future. I realize you don`t fit in this catergory.
Yea, when it`s done I`m sure you will have plenty of derogatory remarks to make as always.
As for you staying at work for the overtime, sounds like a plan to me.:rolleyes:
The comprehension things got you down again. Effort and work are two different things. Having fun requires a little effort, like everything else in life. Until you locate your magic wand and conjour up the old Laz world, I`m afraid you will just have to deal with the one we have. :D
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how do i make the panzer move forward?
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
how do i make the panzer move forward?
Put a tiger tank behind it. :D
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HIT ALT - F4 WORKS GREAT
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jakal... I don't recall saying that I had observed you numerous times in the arena in any recent post... I don't recall even seeing you in the arena. Are you someone other than jakal?
If you are jakal1.... LOL... why am I even talking to you about action?... according to that guys score his idea of "action" is about 3 kills per hour and less than 1/2 a one per sortie... You must get a lot of housework done in all that time you spend online doing.... well.... nothing that I can see. jakal1 has a much different idea of action than most of us.
I would love to see HTC publish some "average stats" I can sure as hell bet that I am more mainstream than you are... I can bet that most folks wpouldn't be happy with three fights an hour.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
jakal... I don't recall saying that I had observed you numerous times in the arena in any recent post... I don't recall even seeing you in the arena. Are you someone other than jakal?
If you are jakal1.... LOL... why am I even talking to you about action?... according to that guys score his idea of "action" is about 3 kills per hour and less than 1/2 a one per sortie... You must get a lot of housework done in all that time you spend online doing.... well.... nothing that I can see. jakal1 has a much different idea of action than most of us.
I would love to see HTC publish some "average stats" I can sure as hell bet that I am more mainstream than you are... I can bet that most folks wpouldn't be happy with three fights an hour.
lazs
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LMAO what a prize. Yea, I`m someone other than jakal, I`m Jackal1. I don`t really know why you are talking me about action Lez, according to you can`t find any. lol Kills per hour , is that what you base things on? Mine for the last couple of weeks has been pretty good considering my rudders have been out. :D I put no weight on kills per hour or kills period as far as that goes. You see Lez, and I`ve explained this to ya before, I play the game. I do a little of all of it, Gvs, bombers, goons, and the ever so popular PT. :D If we want to look at stats, according to yours , their not that impressive considering all you do basicaly if fly around in fighter mode. Mainstream? lol Youre not even gettin close to a tributary.:D Action? You should try it sometime.;)
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Back to the OP:
AH is entertainment. It should always be entertaining. The MA strat can make it not entertaining. Therefore, we are sometimes paying to be not entertained. So...
Have you perhaps considered that some players might find the MA strat side entertaining?
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jackal... well laughing boy.... my point in the kills per hour stat is that you are claiming to have an action packed time and not having any trouble finding action... It would appear that you wouldn't know action if it bit you on the butt.
now... I will concede that everyone has a different idea of what action is but.... I can't see how you can call your hiding from fights "action"... You really shouldn't be involved in any threads where the word 'action' appears much less tell people that you know anything about it. No wonder you like infinity... much easier for you to hide or fight for scraps.
ya know... yu will never get better at this if you avoid fights... just a little friendly advise for ya chuckles.
oh... and if I were you and i didn't want to cry myself to sleep every night..... I wouldn't put any weight on kills per hour either.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
jackal... well laughing boy.... my point in the kills per hour stat is that you are claiming to have an action packed time and not having any trouble finding action... It would appear that you wouldn't know action if it bit you on the butt.
now... I will concede that everyone has a different idea of what action is but.... I can't see how you can call your hiding from fights "action"... You really shouldn't be involved in any threads where the word 'action' appears much less tell people that you know anything about it. No wonder you like infinity... much easier for you to hide or fight for scraps.
ya know... yu will never get better at this if you avoid fights... just a little friendly advise for ya chuckles.
oh... and if I were you and i didn't want to cry myself to sleep every night..... I wouldn't put any weight on kills per hour either.
lazs
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Well now sadsack, :D there ya go with the not understanding thingy again. Just take a little time, read things through, even you will figure it out eventualy. Kills per hour????? That`s what your not grasping and what`s bein splained to you Lucy.:D Pay close attention now, I`ll go reaaallllll slow for ya.;) Action has nothing to do with kills per hour. Ya see the most of us play the game, the entire game, including all them other pesky things such as Gvs, bombers, PTs, etc. I know it`s unbelievable to ya, but , the most of us get out of fighter mode more often than not and that`s what youre basing things on . Why son, we even get into the ole attack mode ocassionaly. GASP Now i hate to push too much on ya in one day, but , the majority of us base enjoyment of the game on how much fun were having. I realize that`s a stretch for ya considering, according to your posts how torturous playing the game as it`s set up is for ya. I just really don`t believe the game was designed just to tick you off. One of the things that is a total blast is spotting the newcomers to the game that you know are going to stay. They are the ones who get sooo excited about it, chattering on country channel and such. Some of these guys goes days without getting a kill , but it is clear they are having more fun than they have ever found in a game before. You see that`s why we pay to play-------> fun. Now, if you are paying to play and are just totaly digusted by how the game is set up and it just doesn`t suit you, then I`m afraid youre just SOL.:D
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Lez, now I`ll see if I can help you out with your little comprehension problem as far as the scores thingy goes. I don`t put much weight in this, but, since you do maybe a little tutoring might help. I think I may have discovered another little prob you got along with comprehending the scores page, it`s tunnel vision I do believe. Now, if you will notice on the very top sector if you will widen your vision just a touch, their is other catergories, along with and including fighter kills. Well done, now wasn`t that fun?:D You seem to be fixiated with the kills per hour thing so you can start there. Now take a ruler, so as not to strain yourself ,and place it under and across kills/hour section. Now since you have been looking at mine , we will use it as an example. Notice in the attack and vehicle/boat columns there is some numbers in mine.:D If youre not exhausted by now you can do a little math here and see there is a very interesting result. You could further scroll down a bit to the bomber section. Now if youre not wore out on math you could throw the field capture, etc. in and then see what you come up with per hour. I`ll give you a break though, here`s the answer--------> it all adds up to fun, and lots of it.
Now we can look at yours. This one`s realy quite simple and understandably so.:D You will notice in yours that there is only numbers in one catergory, the rest are all 0s. By scrolling down we find all 0s in bomber also. I suspect this is where youre frustration comes in, but don`t let it bother you that you don`t stack up, you can still learn the other parts of the game and get in on the fun.
You stick with ole Uncle Jackal1 and I`ll pull you through this time of unhappiness.
:D
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Originally posted by qts
...Have you perhaps considered that some players might find the MA strat side entertaining?...
Have you considered that I never said otherwise?
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Heres the short and skinny.When Pizza came out,I decided I didnt like the map.My only days off were allways nothing but pizza.Did I cry and squeak endlessly on the boards?Crying about how "This isnt suiting MY needs"I pay to play I want it all MY way?Hell no I dropped the game.Took a break.I will rejoin in a few weeks because I miss the game.But Im really tired of all the wineing by some people about how the game doesnt make them happy.Its a broken record hashed out and re hashed over and over.Dont like the game the way it sits?Walk away for awhile but dont make the rest of us listen to you endlessly crying about how it doesnt give you all you want.Life sucks.Wear a cup.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Wear a cup.
Or a shot glass :D
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Or maby a thimble:p
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I think the problem is that there are a lot of new guys who don't have a lot of skill so they feel comfortable in a large group.. they may not kill anything but they stay alive a lot longer.. they also get to feel like they are a part of some sort of a "victory" when they join the gamgbang "missun" ... some, simply think they are WWII pilots.
Lazs
Couldn't agree more. And this started after the huge player influx.
AH lost a big pie of fun for me. I don't understand (from a strat point of view) the point of country A raiding an undefended field of country B with 30+ players while the opponent B is raiding a undefended field of country A.
In Trinity this goes on and on and on and on for fediddlein weeks, it is becoming a big frustration.
Hardly anybody is interested in defence because it doesn't pay off (rewarding wise)
AH MA lost all of its appeal to me. The only reason why I'm not gone yet is the rare but fullfilling fun of a good air-to-air encounter.
But I'm sure it will not make up for long anymore for the frustration of the useless MA strat system.
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gee laughing boy... I believe we were talking about fighter stats here... can we agree that you have no right to talk about action where it concerns fighters?
nobad... concerned about my genitals? interesting.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
gee laughing boy... I believe we were talking about fighter stats here... can we agree that you have no right to talk about action where it concerns fighters?
lazs
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well I see the ants didn`t get ya sadsack. No, what were were talking about is the game. You know the one you are just playing a small part of. Fighter stats!!!!!! Geeez. Alobert E. , I do believe your missing a little bit there on your equation. lmao
I thought I might be pushing you over your limits. :D
Btw there admiral ,don`t look now but your ship has been drug off course and has run aground. :D
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so... I guess we can agree then that your opinion about the fighter part of the game is worthless then laughing boy? If I even need an opinion on the ultra realistic GV or bombing part of the game I will pull your string.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so... I guess we can agree then that your opinion about the fighter part of the game is worthless then laughing boy? If I even need an opinion on the ultra realistic GV or bombing part of the game I will pull your string.
lazs
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Naw, were not agreeing on anything so far. Were still working on your comprehension problem. Here ya go, try this http://www.rhlschool.com/reading.htm . I know it has helped many at your level. We`ll get there, hang in there. :D The fighter part is a just a small part of the game, a very small part, and if your not flying a "point and shoot" plane you got to invest a little time. Uh Oh, sorry I forgot your unwillingness to put out any effort. Try the rest of the game while your working on your little prob, then maybe you can comment on it. As it is now youre not even participating in the game as it is played in the MA. Your point and shoot, arcade type, I want it right now and I want it my way, play would be better suited to the DA. The MA is setup for complete gameplay. Unless you want to up some more names your playing under then youre not experienceing the gameplay in the MA. Of course that would open another whole area of lameness if you copped to that.:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
jakal... I don't believe that "missuns" are conducive to good fights... gangbangs are not "good fights" steamrolling fields because you have the numbers are not good fights... success is measured differently by different players..
If the fields were closer together and the combatants met somewhjere in the middle it would open up the game for more than just the "missun dudz"...
once the field is porked by the suicide missun types or once the horde arrives... there is no point in sticking around... I look for something a little less lopsided.
lazs
Your right. Gangbanging or steam rollling or being steamed rolled or gangbanged isn't very fun. Neither is vulching because there is no real skill in those tactics, other than trying not to auger while salivating over the easy kill your rolling in on, it's all numbers. But then again, that's what real war is about. Over whelm the enemy with numbers to ensure your success and minimze your losses. After all, real life is a 1 time event. You cant just say "oh well, I'll just reup." It's easy to get kills when its 3:1 odds. just watch when you have 5 guys chasing 1 plane. its so laughable. I mean I catch my self doing it too some times. I think to myself does it really take 5 or 10 guys to kill 1 plane? I tell my self no and brake off and wait for the next guy. If you don't want to be apart of the "mega missions" that's fine there is nothing wrong with that. But I'm sure there is something you could do to help your counrty's objective(win the reset) and stay in the narrow confinds of what you call fun. But in your last paragraph, it sounds like anytime the battle gets a liitle lopsided you run away instead of finding a solution to beat the lopsidedness. But that would take strategy and by your thread, I don't think you like stragey games much. So I guess a friendly game of chess would be out of the question huh? But what I normally complain about is the lack of cooperation when we are severely out numbered.
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PS nothing personal bro. just an observation. but on a side no tho I reallhy like your avatat :D
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To have 30 guys fightin over 5 enemy planes kinda sucks. It's much more fun buttin heads with more comparable numbers, be it 5v5 or 30v30....the point being, it's nice to have a choice.
I see more and more of the huge lopsided encounters...the big maps add even more watering down of good head to head encounters due to the number of fields and the choice that gives many players.
I'm not sure what single change would improve the dynamics of the game myself...I'm too busy with RL to give it much thought....however, I'm willing to lean towards Lazs's suggestion as it would penalize no one and at the same time would offer an enviroment where some of us with less patience, could find, get to and engage in a fight without uppin from a capped field or flyin for a sector and a half first.
There are some close fields....if you pay attention, you'll notice that they spawn the best fights and are always the first to go in each of the big maps....once their gone, it's the long flight thingie again.
I'm happy, as it doesn't take much to please me....still, I'm all for intensity, not fallin asleep tryin to find and sustain good engagements.
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med... u didn't read what i wrote... if 'leaving a porked field when the horde arrives" is the same as.... "anytime the battle gets a liitle lopsided you run away instead of finding a solution to beat the lopsidedness. " then yeah... that is what I do... I leave whenever the field is porked and capped with 10 to 1 odds or better. Sorry... but it isn't much fun...
It isn't much fun to be one of the 10 or twnety circling around the field hoping someone is dumb enough to up. well for me it isn't.... I can see by your stats that circling around for 20 or 30 minutes to get one kill is the norm for you.
It is your idea of strat that causes these things not the furballers. you are the one begging for people to steamroller undefended fields. by doing so.... you allow the enemy to steamroller your (now) undefended fields.... whoever steamrollers the fastest or, more accurately.... whichever team has the most players.....
"wins" yeah... lotta "strat" there... it's all so complex and difficult.... much too much for my simple furballer mind to grasp.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
med... u didn't read what i wrote... if 'leaving a porked field when the horde arrives" is the same as.... "anytime the battle gets a liitle lopsided you run away instead of finding a solution to beat the lopsidedness. " then yeah... that is what I do... I leave whenever the field is porked and capped with 10 to 1 odds or better. Sorry... but it isn't much fun...
It isn't much fun to be one of the 10 or twnety circling around the field hoping someone is dumb enough to up. well for me it isn't.... I can see by your stats that circling around for 20 or 30 minutes to get one kill is the norm for you.
It is your idea of strat that causes these things not the furballers. you are the one begging for people to steamroller undefended fields. by doing so.... you allow the enemy to steamroller your (now) undefended fields.... whoever steamrollers the fastest or, more accurately.... whichever team has the most players.....
"wins" yeah... lotta "strat" there... it's all so complex and difficult.... much too much for my simple furballer mind to grasp.
lazs
Let me be the first to appologize. It's becomming abundently clear that you and I have no clue as to what the other person is trying to say, or is being blown out of porportion I have to admit parts of your thread were unclear as to who or what you were refering to, so I assumed you were refering to the enemy and not the friendlies. I know that you misunderstand what my idea of strategy is. But I will agree with you on some of your points. 1. it is boring to fly around for 20 minutes capping a base (porked or not) waiting for the goon to arrive and ther are alot of times I feel like leaving, but in the 10 or so minutes it take for the goon to get there, alot can happen. I have seen many times when a base seems all but sure of capture only to blow it and loose the base inwhich we upped from in the first place t boot. 2. And yes generally the team that has the most players win, but not always, and i'm not talking about steamrolling or gangbanging either. Although I guess that depends on what your definition of steamrolling is. 3. 20-50 man missions ie mega missions, your right no real complex strategy there and as i'm writing this reply I can't remeber if this is the thread I started or someone else. I have nothing against furballing , I do it too some times.
I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you or anyone else, especially when there seems to be so much misunderstanding from both sides of the fence.
I can either E-mail ya or write a thread out lineing how this came about.
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I love the game the way it is. It has its ups and downs but I love it. Much better than warbirds or air warrior. I for one am not keen on going to the new AH2 format.
By the way....can we mine for crystals here?
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