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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Habu on April 15, 2003, 05:08:21 PM
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Windows Media Player Required. (http://media.darrylworley.com/hyf01.asx)
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Mouhahaha...
The only thing i see (hear) here is that the whole country need a psychotherapy...
And yes i remember something now : i really dislike country music
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Reverse your recto-cranial inversion and your vision will clear up.
I don't care much for country either but it does have a message. I'd explain it to you but I lack the years necessary for that task.:rolleyes:
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And i bet u didnt even know where europe is habu eh ?
Some of u pro war people really lost the context. Sad but true.
Every 1 that is against war is against u ?
These threads agaionst germany and french are pissing me off. Not because i am german, i dont really care if u bomb Iraq to a big Walmart parking lot. Its more the godamn ignorance of the "average" proud american citizen.
I bet 50% of u even dont know where Iraq is, not to speak from europe.
This things arent funny anymore. Its plain dumb and silly.
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Darryl Worley!!? did you hear "I miss my friend" with the fake crying ??
This guy is a joke, he's just jumping on the patriotic bandwagon to milk the cow!
Long live the Dixie Chicks ! "Travelling soldier" is ten times more patriotic and sincere !
Wanna hear a true patriotic song : "In America" by Charlie Daniels
Agree or disagree with the guy, at least he means it!
Charlie's left nut is bigger than Darryl "the Wuss" Worley !
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
And i bet u didnt even know where europe is habu eh ?
Some of u pro war people really lost the context. Sad but true.
Every 1 that is against war is against u ?
These threads agaionst germany and french are pissing me off. Not because i am german, i dont really care if u bomb Iraq to a big Walmart parking lot. Its more the godamn ignorance of the "average" proud american citizen.
I bet 50% of u even dont know where Iraq is, not to speak from europe.
This things arent funny anymore. Its plain dumb and silly.
Iraq?
Isn't that between Carson City and Fallon?
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The song is written and performed by Darryl Worley. ''Have You Forgotten?'' was was inspired by his trip out to Afghanistan last year when he was there to entertain the troops. Darryl said in a recent interview that it was actually written about the war in Afghanistan even though most people seem to think that it was written for the Iraq war.
Darryl has performed the song for President Bush who "really enjoyed it."
I am sure it was playing in many of those armoured personal carriers that were driveing around Iraq these past few weeks. I guess Ouiabe and Freeze don't get it as unlike France which always had its freedom given to them from other countries, the US had to earn its own.
:D :D
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Habu re-read your history books (if you have any) :
USA did help, a little, in WWI. USA did help A LOT in WWII.
Now if you consider the WWII the only war where France has been involved you have a lot of work to do.
Hoo, and you may not know : USA has been 'delivered' from the English with the help of France (i know it hurts...).
For the Iraqi people, i'm very happy they had been 'delivered' from Sadam and his government. But the way they have been 'delivered' doesnt seem right to me.
I don't know the future so i'll keep myself from telling it...
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Here's a site with some helpful info should you want to help France "get the message".
http://www.metrospy.com/boycott.htm
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Habu re-read your history books (if you have any) :
USA did help, a little, in WWI. USA did help A LOT in WWII.
Well, that's an understatment and it also ignores how we rebuilt France and Germany and England
[Hoo, and you may not know : USA has been 'delivered' from the English with the help of France (i know it hurts...).
Actually, the French did very little in the revoutionary war. They took way too long getting here but the help was needed and appreciated but I don't suppose it was worth being beholden for 200+ years for.
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AKIron, you can boycott every french product you see it will not change the world, nor France.
Our economy is so crosslinked with yours that it will have very little effect...
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Our economy is so crosslinked with yours that it will have very little effect...
That may be changing. Then we shall see.
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Funny how you treat your allied country...
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Funny how you treat your allied country...
I was thinking the same thing. Allies no longer so far as many of us are concerned.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
. Its more the godamn ignorance of the "average" proud american citizen.
I bet 50% of u even dont know where Iraq is, not to speak from europe.
This things arent funny anymore. Its plain dumb and silly.
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But its ok for you to say half of america is too dumb to find Iraq on the map. I guess its ok because at least half of germans
cant wipe thier bellybutton right. :D
Blitz is my prime example. With german spokesmen such as this whatya expect?
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Originally posted by Spooky
Darryl Worley!!? did you hear "I miss my friend" with the fake crying ??
This guy is a joke, he's just jumping on the patriotic bandwagon to milk the cow!
Long live the Dixie Chicks ! "Travelling soldier" is ten times more patriotic and sincere !
Maybe yall can import some of thier CDs, they aint doing too well here anymore.
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Habu re-read your history books (if you have any) :
USA did help, a little, in WWI. USA did help A LOT in WWII.
blaa blaaa blaaa...
Actually I do know quite a bit about history and France. Would you like to discuss another case of looting? How about the World War II occupied France's collaborationist Vichy regime? How they passed a series of laws ordering financial institutions to block Jewish accounts and sell off Jewish-owned stocks and bonds. How they stole an estimated $1.3 billion in assets this way?
Or how about the 65,000 dead Canadians buried in France and Belgium who died winning WW1 for you? Ever heard of Vimy Ridge?
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Originally posted by X2Lee
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But its ok for you to say half of america is too dumb to find Iraq on the map. I guess its ok because at least half of germans
cant wipe thier bellybutton right. :D
Blitz is my prime example. With german spokesmen such as this whatya expect?
No its not but i am sick of all these arogant bull**** anti-france anti-germany threads.
Blitz has an opinion, is he allowed to have 1 ? Yes he is.
Are u guys allowed to make fun of him ? Yes u are, but its arrogant and stupid.
He never made personal fun about any1. He has a political point if view thats it.
If u guys have a problem with the people that are against war, tell them and shut up or bring arguments.
There is no problem with a good political discussion, but i hear to many offensive things from the US boys.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
No its not but i am sick of all these arogant bull**** anti-france anti-germany threads.
Blitz has an opinion, is he allowed to have 1 ? Yes he is.
Are u guys allowed to make fun of him ? Yes u are, but its arrogant and stupid.
He never made personal fun about any1. He has a political point if view thats it.
If u guys have a problem with the people that are against war, tell them and shut up or bring arguments.
There is no problem with a good political discussion, but i hear to many offensive things from the US boys.
Perhaps the german girls should start bringing some real arguments to the table, then.
All Blitz has done is spew nonsense with the intent to insult. It's rare that he posts any real facts. He just flames and trolls.
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Of course blitz is allowed to have an opinion, this does not mean we cant jump all over the redikuloos and hateful things he says.
Plus frankly I think its beyond stupid to be lectured on free speech issues by a post ww2 German, so kindly please shut up and talk about things your country actually undrstands and has an experience with.
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Whatever.
Dont make fun about people or society from a country u never visited. Info's from news channel or Books can be very very wrong.
I am out of these stupid discussions. Makes me mad.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
All Blitz really does was writing his opinion.
Then u guys came along and attacked him in a way thats not fair.
But i should know better. Discussin with americans about america is useless.
U guys have the best Society anyway. At least that is what u think.
At least he has an OWN opinion Martlet.
Did you read what I wrote, or just start blathering on?
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Boohooo Freezeee....
So all these euro anti-usa guys visited america and know it intimately? I'm sure you have noticed in your visits how we are all cowboys and wear big hats and ride on horses and how we all work for oil companies... Right?
:rolleyes:
And dont firget I'm from Europe just like u, so this ignorant american sterotype crap youy are trying to push and hold so dear is just so much BS to me...
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Habu every country has known his dark age. USA has done some horrible things also : indian genocide, black segregation, atomic bomb on civilians...
No democratic country could be quote or prevail as the best, not France, not USA.
WWI : France and germany loose in 20days at Verdun 600000 men each. It's the worse butchery a war known to date.
To compare each over glory or failure isn't the point. Past can't be used as the justification of the present or we will never stop to argue.
To finish what France did wasn't an anti-US action, what french thinks about us isn't anti-us.
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
atomic bomb on civilians...
Would you haved preffered that twenty times as many were killed in far far slower ways during an invasion of Japan?
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Grunherz :
Would you haved preffered that twenty times as many were killed in far far slower ways during an invasion of Japan?
Since it didn't happen, you don't know. The fact is that 2 bombs have been droped on cities causing the death of hundred thousand civilians.
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And what of the bombing of Tokyo where thousands of bombs were dropped causing the death of hundreds of thoysands?
And yes we can speculate what would have happened in an invasion of Japan. The battles of Okinawa and Saipan, islands with large japanese civilan populations showd just how devestating it woyld be to those poluplations who were often forced to commit suicide en masse by the japanese army. There is no reason it would be different on the Japanese home islands - in fact it would have been worse...
And frankly it is f8unny for a Frenchman to ask for more americans and british to have died needlessly in WW2 in an inavasion of Japan. How many troops did the French authorities send to help invade Japan in late 1945?
The fact is that the nuclear attacks saved millions of lives both american and japanese and greatly shortened the war and suffering of a 100,000,000 japanese and set them rebulding for peace and proseparity after decades agression and war.
This hatred of the use of nucler weapons in ww2 is a typical left wing self-centered argument. You oppose nukes, which is admirable and understandible for all, but then you selfishly suggest that countless more people should ahave died and suffered just as long as they dont die to the weapons you personally dislike.
In fact this attitide is identical to that of the pro-saddam anti-war crowd. You were all more than happy to let saddam stay in power and murder and let starve to dwath over a million of his own people as he has done in the last ten years, but god forbid the USA comes in and removes saddam for they could kill a few civilians.
Admit it you dont care about iraqi civilans at all or even japanese civilans, your real problem is with the USA, your real problem is resentment of american power - a sort of power france's ego wants but has not had in 200 years..
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Grunherz dp u think there are people who gives a **** about how powerfull their country is ?
I do. I give a ****ing **** about if the german goverment is pro or con war. I give a **** about if Germany has a strong millitary or not. I give a **** about what the hell they do in the world. All i care about is that my personal life is doing good.
In my opinion the reason why many americans speak like some people here in the board. I dont wanna call names.
Is that they getting pushed from the earliest days with patriostism. They getting told that they life in the best country in the world and that their society has no match around the world.
Thats a big problem in my opinion. I am not patriotic. I am pretty sure not many germans are patriotic. I dont care if Germany falls to dust tomorow. Then i would move to the next country i like.
But these overwhelming patriotism some US people show close their eyes for other point of views. And i am pretty sure it alos pushes the feeling that all the other people (outside) are worse anyway in their way of life.
Thats highly dangerous. Its a big problem because it creates a lot of hate and disliking that isnt necessary.
This is not meant personal. Its just a statement. So dont feel offended.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
I give a ****ing **** about if the german goverment is pro or con war.
I give a **** about if Germany has a strong millitary or not.
I give a **** about what the hell they do in the world.
this means you give a ****
All i care about is that my personal life is doing good.
This means you do not give a ****
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Did you mean to be self contradictory?
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Grunherz dp u think there are people who gives a **** about how powerfull their country is ?
I do. I give a ****ing **** about if the german goverment is pro or con war. I give a **** about if Germany has a strong millitary or not. I give a **** about what the hell they do in the world. All i care about is that my personal life is doing good.
In my opinion the reason why many americans speak like some people here in the board. I dont wanna call names.
Is that they getting pushed from the earliest days with patriostism. They getting told that they life in the best country in the world and that their society has no match around the world.
Thats a big problem in my opinion. I am not patriotic. I am pretty sure not many germans are patriotic. I dont care if Germany falls to dust tomorow. Then i would move to the next country i like.
But these overwhelming patriotism some US people show close their eyes for other point of views. And i am pretty sure it alos pushes the feeling that all the other people (outside) are worse anyway in their way of life.
Thats highly dangerous. Its a big problem because it creates a lot of hate and disliking that isnt necessary.
This is not meant personal. Its just a statement. So dont feel offended.
Have you ever lived in the US?
I mean, if I lived in an outhouse, I'd be kind of happy to see it fall apart, too.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Grunherz dp u think there are people who gives a **** about how powerfull their country is ?
I do. I give a ****ing **** about if the german goverment is pro or con war. I give a **** about if Germany has a strong millitary or not. I give a **** about what the hell they do in the world. All i care about is that my personal life is doing good.
In my opinion the reason why many americans speak like some people here in the board. I dont wanna call names.
Is that they getting pushed from the earliest days with patriostism. They getting told that they life in the best country in the world and that their society has no match around the world.
Thats a big problem in my opinion. I am not patriotic. I am pretty sure not many germans are patriotic. I dont care if Germany falls to dust tomorow. Then i would move to the next country i like.
But these overwhelming patriotism some US people show close their eyes for other point of views. And i am pretty sure it alos pushes the feeling that all the other people (outside) are worse anyway in their way of life.
Thats highly dangerous. Its a big problem because it creates a lot of hate and disliking that isnt necessary.
This is not meant personal. Its just a statement. So dont feel offended.
Thank you for summing up everything that is wrong with so many small minded, shortsigted, selfish, self-centered europeans today.... You guys take no pride in your countries and culture and actually seem to hate them - no wonder you are defacto supporters of Saddam Hussein and the terrorists who want to destroy the west.
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Rofl Grunherz. Sure i am supporting Saddam. I sold him all my water pistols.
Uhhh should i be scared for the FBI or CIA now ?
Maybe USA will hunt me down with cruise missiles eh ?
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You are suporting saddam by not acring about t=he threat he poses. Not to worry though, as usual he USa ansd UK have protected europe while the french and germans are off making trouble...
Let me ask you this freezeee and be honest in your answer. Would you even care if there was a 911 style terrorist attack on Germany? I dont see how you could in light of your post...
As for the cruise mislles, I can only hope.. :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You are suporting saddam by not acring about t=he threat he poses. Not to worry though, as usual he USa ansd UK have protected europe while the french and germans are off making trouble...
For months now I can't sleep, wondering what threat the Iraqi regime was to the "free world".
What an evil regime... Nationalized oil industry. How did they dare!?
I don't think it's a coincidence that all "evil tyrants" (by American definition) nationalised their oil, kicking foreign companies out of their countries. Assosiating "freedom" for someone with economical and political benefits for monopolies isn't new.
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Originally posted by Boroda
For months now I can't sleep, wondering what threat the Iraqi regime was to the "free world".
I suppose you think that the ruthless war with Iran, the brutal invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, and the gassing of the Kurds were just western propaganda?
There have been terrorists training camps discovered near Baghdad. I suppose you think that's all just western propaganda too.
Will you be like Blitz and claim that the US has planted any WMD that will be discovered?
I want to ask you a serious question Boroda. Would you prefer communism over your current political/economic government/situation?
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So like using commercial killing equipment to kill people instead of livestock isn't evil?
Having a dungeon in a home in a residental street where people had been kept for years with no toilet windows or ventilation is not evil? And all the people who were kept there are dead also.
Killing millions of dissidents (and takeing a nice little picture of their face for postarity just before you killed them) isn't evil?
But the USA is evil. Right?
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Originally posted by AKIron
I suppose you think that the ruthless war with Iran, the brutal invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, and the gassing of the Kurds were just western propaganda?
War with Iran was sponsored by your government, it's not a secret. Iranian students needed revenge. Gassing Kurds - well, I have read some things about it, and it seems to me that Western point of view on that sad event is... hmmm... biased. Chemical weapons are a very dangerous thing that only insane people can use, but there are some nuances.
As for Kuwait invasion - it was a bold and open agression, and Iraq payed for it.
BTW, do you know that US played not a very pleasant role before the invasion to Kuwait? To some extent I can almost call it a provocation.
Originally posted by AKIron
There have been terrorists training camps discovered near Baghdad. I suppose you think that's all just western propaganda too.
Terrorst trainig camps? Your brave soldiers (who say that nightvision binoculars that are sold in every hunting shop here are illegal Russian imports) will call a paintball playground a "terrorist training camp". Any army training center looks like a terrorist training camp. Try to surprise me with something more impressive.
Originally posted by AKIron
Will you be like Blitz and claim that the US has planted any WMD that will be discovered?
I already said this. It is impossible to imagine comrade Bush saying "Sorry, we didn't find WMD, we are sorry, casus belli was a figment of our imagination and we go home". If there will be no WMD found in Iraq (that is how it is now) - I'll admit that your president deserves some respect. So far it looks like agressors assured that Iraq is disarmed and then were brave enough to attack helpless country.
Originally posted by AKIron
I want to ask you a serious question Boroda. Would you prefer communism over your current political/economic government/situation?
Communism? Definetly I'll prefer Communism to any other social formation. But it will never happen, at least in my lifetime. Social revolutons can never lead to Communism (as it was proved by many "experiments" in XX century), and to reach it through technological progress will take centuries. And I don't believe Stalin's thesis about "abolition of state through it's strengthening".
But I think that you (as 99% of Americans) have no idea about scientific communism or Marxist philosophy, or even basic terms used there, so I suppose that by saying "communism" you mean Soviet socialism. I don't want to live under Soviet socialism, despite of the obvious advantages in social programms (health, security, education).
Our current government is very, very far from perfect. But at least it's not guided by IMF, and does something to save our industry. Frankly speaking - now I see no alternative :( What is really nessesary is to reduce the number of government administration employees, and make millions of that parasites do something instead of leeching money from economics. IMHO the best form of government for Russia is monarchy, but now it's impossible. I am against "democracy" in it's current meaning.
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Originally posted by Boroda
War with Iran was sponsored by your government, it's not a secret. Iranian students needed revenge. Gassing Kurds - well, I have read some things about it, and it seems to me that Western point of view on that sad event is... hmmm... biased. Chemical weapons are a very dangerous thing that only insane people can use, but there are some nuances.
As for Kuwait invasion - it was a bold and open agression, and Iraq payed for it.
BTW, do you know that US played not a very pleasant role before the invasion to Kuwait? To some extent I can almost call it a provocation.
Terrorst trainig camps? Your brave soldiers (who say that nightvision binoculars that are sold in every hunting shop here are illegal Russian imports) will call a paintball playground a "terrorist training camp". Any army training center looks like a terrorist training camp. Try to surprise me with something more impressive.
I already said this. It is impossible to imagine comrade Bush saying "Sorry, we didn't find WMD, we are sorry, casus belli was a figment of our imagination and we go home". If there will be no WMD found in Iraq (that is how it is now) - I'll admit that your president deserves some respect. So far it looks like agressors assured that Iraq is disarmed and then were brave enough to attack helpless country.
Communism? Definetly I'll prefer Communism to any other social formation. But it will never happen, at least in my lifetime. Social revolutons can never lead to Communism (as it was proved by many "experiments" in XX century), and to reach it through technological progress will take centuries. And I don't believe Stalin's thesis about "abolition of state through it's strengthening".
But I think that you (as 99% of Americans) have no idea about scientific communism or Marxist philosophy, or even basic terms used there, so I suppose that by saying "communism" you mean Soviet socialism. I don't want to live under Soviet socialism, despite of the obvious advantages in social programms (health, security, education).
Our current government is very, very far from perfect. But at least it's not guided by IMF, and does something to save our industry. Frankly speaking - now I see no alternative :( What is really nessesary is to reduce the number of government administration employees, and make millions of that parasites do something instead of leeching money from economics. IMHO the best form of government for Russia is monarchy, but now it's impossible. I am against "democracy" in it's current meaning.
You know what's sad? He really believes this crap.
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Originally posted by Boroda
War with Iran was sponsored by your government, it's not a secret. Iranian students needed revenge. Gassing Kurds - well, I have read some things about it, and it seems to me that Western point of view on that sad event is... hmmm... biased. Chemical weapons are a very dangerous thing that only insane people can use, but there are some nuances.
As for Kuwait invasion - it was a bold and open agression, and Iraq payed for it.
BTW, do you know that US played not a very pleasant role before the invasion to Kuwait? To some extent I can almost call it a provocation.
Terrorst trainig camps? Your brave soldiers (who say that nightvision binoculars that are sold in every hunting shop here are illegal Russian imports) will call a paintball playground a "terrorist training camp". Any army training center looks like a terrorist training camp. Try to surprise me with something more impressive.
I already said this. It is impossible to imagine comrade Bush saying "Sorry, we didn't find WMD, we are sorry, casus belli was a figment of our imagination and we go home". If there will be no WMD found in Iraq (that is how it is now) - I'll admit that your president deserves some respect. So far it looks like agressors assured that Iraq is disarmed and then were brave enough to attack helpless country.
Communism? Definetly I'll prefer Communism to any other social formation. But it will never happen, at least in my lifetime. Social revolutons can never lead to Communism (as it was proved by many "experiments" in XX century), and to reach it through technological progress will take centuries. And I don't believe Stalin's thesis about "abolition of state through it's strengthening".
But I think that you (as 99% of Americans) have no idea about scientific communism or Marxist philosophy, or even basic terms used there, so I suppose that by saying "communism" you mean Soviet socialism. I don't want to live under Soviet socialism, despite of the obvious advantages in social programms (health, security, education).
Our current government is very, very far from perfect. But at least it's not guided by IMF, and does something to save our industry. Frankly speaking - now I see no alternative :( What is really nessesary is to reduce the number of government administration employees, and make millions of that parasites do something instead of leeching money from economics. IMHO the best form of government for Russia is monarchy, but now it's impossible. I am against "democracy" in it's current meaning.
Do us all a favor and don't have kids ok? No one deserves to be brought up in an environment that pretty much dooms them to be failures in life.