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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fishu on July 31, 2000, 01:56:00 AM
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Ok, getting fed of this when people seems to just wan't to whine at me so that they would have more to whine about, even about jokely said sentences or something wheres little error.
They make up big whine of such stuff and so far I have been replied to that, now.. lets make some difference on that.
Heres good example from thread "Challenge to all P-47 drivers" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/004602.html)
I say kiddingly "Id figure that real P-47 pilot would be screaming in a panic while his plane is stalling with N1K2 in his tail after that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)"
..and next post after that is 7 line long whine from Wolf37 (7 lines in 1024x768 resolution desktop work mode) and very aggressively too for a such obvious joke with smiley after it.
- Some prejudgement in the air perhaps?
Besides, I like P-47, I've been waiting it to AH since the first few beta versions.
and must also say that P-47D-25 under brazillian markings is nice thought, specially with its greener paint instead of metal shine.
As I did also recently study other threads, I noticed that people purposely tries to hang on every word I say, even exagerating in few cases.
One good example of exagerating is that I have used 2 weeks trial once, but suddenly one unnamed person is saying I have been having more than just one nicks 2 weeks, which I haven't.
Now suddenly Pyro too thinks that I am having, because this one person somehow managed to find out something that even I didn't know.
Honestly, only times I've been playing AH since two days before 1.00 have been during 1.02 as I were at friends house for weekend and he was playing AH and I tried it bit also and next time during 1.03 as I wanted to use my 2 weeks to see if I could spare my 30 bucks for it finally.
Which, honestly, seems like is very close to that point and 1.04 will probably be it.
Also good reason why I haven't been playing since certain date, is because I was already out played AH and was having other game on my hands and next was Rogue Spear and bit later I've been nose digged into World War 2 mod for RS, which grew bigger than I ever expected and with the other good people who helped me, I haven't had time to do anything else.
...you might wonder where I got time for that 9-11 days period for AH? I decided to keep break from the mod making and caught up trying AH for few days totally. (and thats the v1.03)
If I say something without being pushed by some whiners that just hangs on every word of mine, I do tell things from my experience which usually is fairly well tested.
When I did talk about Hispano, I did have already several test done online (during that 2 weeks period in 1.03) and H2H mode.
It seems that some of you wants to pick on every word that I say and find a way to whine to me about that and then I have always replied to there and that has got so many new topics that more people joins in and usually defends the one who did whine at me about everything after my first reply, because he who yells louder and tells more BS, is heard better. (someone to disagree with last words?)
Of course I wan't to clear up things and I reply on everything that he said (must not do that mistake anymore if I see that the guy is talking that way..)
I try to keep honest as long as I can and lying or exagerating really isnt my way to talk.
But someones still in their replies lies or exagerates.
My most stupid posts usually comes after a few of these posts where people exagerates too much. (can you imagine being fed up, but still trying to make people understand?)
Maybe I should try that yelling out louder than others and talking off-topic?
Nah.. that sounds too stupid and surely wouldn't be honest talking then.
Wolf37, I think you have not completely thought my purpose, try not to prejudge my meanings without thinking first your way of approach, ok? no hard feelings?
I might add or change something later, because I really aren't so good at writing long topics without seeing whole text, so please, don't pick on first issues that you find so aggressively.
I would like to deal this thing out now and talk, and I also expect that you folks do have guts to talk about this, who have been precautious of me.
As last words.., I am sorry if theres been some misjudgements, errors in posts or other wrong issues from my side.
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 07-31-2000).]
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hello:
yes my first post might have been rude on my part, but look back at all the treads or post you have for somebody that is not paying to play. and as i said, i can not speak for anybody else. as for my second tread, your response was only one word, but just as rude as my first thread.
as for this post, you stated you where only joking inregards to the p47, there for i was wrong to strike out at you. and for that i am sorry for been a jerk.
i will now leave it alone.
wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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hello again:
by the way, i read the p47 thread before reading this one, so i am sorry about my last responce in there. was just responding to your thread before it.
well i will drop it now and try to remember my manners in the future.
wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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Originally posted by wolf37:
but look back at all the treads or post you have for somebody that is not paying to play
Do not prejudge results of testing that I can put up in few days of hard playing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Of the issues I've put up with that few days of testing in 1.03, has been annoying many others also, so, it was for the need..
I test while others do without testing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
*signs peace treaty with Wolf37 and shakes hands*
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You bring it on yourself.
Like a foul-smelling loud-mouthed drunk entering a fine resturant and shouting,
"THIS FOOD SUCKS! WHERE CAN I GET SOME GOOD EATS AROUND HERE?!
You bring it on yourself.
Get a clue Fishu.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo:
You bring it on yourself.
Like a foul-smelling loud-mouthed drunk entering a fine resturant and shouting,
"THIS FOOD SUCKS! WHERE CAN I GET SOME GOOD EATS AROUND HERE?!
You bring it on yourself.
Get a clue Fishu.
eskimo
Honestly, I wan't to end this type of posts...
I've read enough of replies in threads where people more likely replies to me in the way they do because they think like you.
How about giving a chance for peace?
you don't know if you don't try.
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 07-31-2000).]
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Fishu;
Try changing your attitude first.
Stop attacking what people say.
Stop bragging.
Stop trying to be the expert on everything.
Try shelling out $30 for something that is obviously so important to you.
You are obsessed with this game, like many of us.
So play it, and you won't have to continue fantasizing about it, and writing about it as if nothing else in the world matters.
eskimo
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Oh yea,
People don't get your "jokes".
So either stop trying to make them, or stop claiming whatever you regret writing as a "joke".
eskimo
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I have been attacking on people if they have been attacking on me.
Are you trying to make me whine now by being such aggressive like on purpose?
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Originally posted by eskimo:
People don't get your "jokes".
So either stop trying to make them, or stop claiming whatever you regret writing as a "joke".
I do usually always put " (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)" or " (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)" smiley if its joke or kiddingly said.
P-47 thing was said kiddingly and if you dont understand, it does not mean you must attack on me.
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Take the "kick me" sign off your back. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Dunno who put it there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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*grabs off 'kick me' sign from his back and tosses it*
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(inflamatory content removed)
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I went back and re-read that thread. Fishu, you need to seek medication for that ego. Seriously (Note no smiley face).
Somebody tries to compliment another pilot on how well he handled an aircraft and you try to turn it into whatever the hell that was. You may also have noticed... that only 1 pilot responded to you in a derogatory manner... not "people". Thanks for using that to start yet another thread about your favorite person.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I went back and re-read that thread. Fishu, you need to seek medication for that ego. Seriously (Note no smiley face).
Somebody tries to compliment another pilot on how well he handled an aircraft and you try to turn it into whatever the hell that was. You may also have noticed... that only 1 pilot responded to you in a derogatory manner... not "people". Thanks for using that to start yet another thread about your favorite person.
AKDejaVu
So, you're saying that I can't deal things out with people?
Tell me, why is people so precautious, and not giving me a chance now when I want once that?
"Somebody tries to compliment another pilot on how well he handled an aircraft and you try to turn it into whatever the hell that was."
Oh really?
How do you know? how do you know if I haven't been playing and when I did, I didnt say anything?
Honestly akdejavu, you seem to be just stubborn with this "fishu sucks" thing, because now you're even lying.
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 07-31-2000).]
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So, you're saying that I can't deal things out with people?
I'm saying that starting a new thread about an argument with someone in another thread is not a good way to work things out with people.
Example: Me starting a thread entitled "Fishu can't work things out with people" instead of responding in this manner.
Tell me, why is people so precautious, and not giving me a chance now when I want once that?
People weren't prococious.. a person was. Starting a new thread assuming that everyone is being precocious is precocious itself.
If you have a problem with someone.. work it out with them. Starting a new thread in a public forum in regards to a problem you had with a specific individual in another thread places that "kick me" sign back where it started... on your back.
AKDejaVu
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Has there ever been a thread more worthy of being placed in the O'Club?
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I find it truly ironic that HTC's most outspoken, merciless, unrelenting,
totally-biased oracle of unsubstantiated criticism appears unable to accept any sort of personal criticism himself while pleading for "mercy."
Perhaps the name of this thread should be "Do I always just want to pick on HTC? Time to Talk" or maybe "Why are people not giving me a chance now that I want one and have NEVER given anyone else a chance?"
I truly hesitate to become involved further in this thread. There's an old saying "Don't lie down with pigs. It just irritates the pigs and you get up covered in pigsh*t."
However, once again, against the better judgement of the "self" that told me not to try to rationally discuss dissent with another "famous personality" in the MA....
Fishu, if you really want a "no holds barred" explanation of what I personally find offensive in the way you have represented yourself on the HTC BBS, I'll oblige you.
Be forewarned, it won't be a short post and it will feature many, many quotes of your posts.
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funked, it seemed that most of the problem is in the discussion side, not in the o'club, wheres not those people or my posts that I wanted to speak.
Besides, you probably havent even seen the original post which I erased due to that it was just waste of effort when people reads it fast through and tells their automated answer. (which i would hear in any other thread)
Akdejavu,
Problem is that I do test results that I have, and when people comes to tell me something, they dont listen or try to listen me, and some of them very visibly just tries to whine about my posts.
I do stupid posts after I began explaining so that people would understand and then it gets deeper when one thread is split into ten subjects.
Then again, this is not personal or I would have solved it already, so thread is the only way to reach people to deal things out.
Besides, "about an argument with someone", that was example of that what I get, very clear example.
and that was nothing personal with Wolf37, but with all, who does that sort of posts in another way. (you might go look other threads and you find those people who just wants to whine at me on purpose)
Example should tell that theres other cases as well with other people. (did you even read my thread completely?)
toad,
excuse me, but I tell from experience and tests in AH and what seems completely BS according to that all what I've read.
Somehow people has not seen me a single time saying somethings fine, I wonder hows that, when theres many times when I have said so that this is cool and so on.
About criticism on me, if you're talking about this thread, then you must know that I am trying to deal things out and make people understand that they might have mistaken in some parts of discussions.
When I in other discussions do that what you call 'whine', because of other peoples 'whine', I try to explain my point and make people understand it in cases that they dont understand. (I am usually trying too much to make people understand my point, even if they dont want to understand, and theres few)
So Toad, are you willing to give me a chance or not? tell it clearly
hmm, did you see my original post?
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Perhaps I'll better quit worrying what people thinks, what they misunderstand and whine..... just keep in the facts without worthless whines to make people understand.
Why would I care anyway about that now when I've seen that most of them doesnt care what I say after few loud mouths have been talking too much crap.
Most of my stupid posts are because of people talking too much crap about different things and the begining is forgotten.
Sounds like good to forget their whines and opinions.
Like good friend of mine said, 'screw them if they dont try to listen'
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Fishu I didn't read any of it. It's obviously got nothing to do with the game, just with your personal issues, and it belongs off-topic.
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Originally posted by funked:
Fishu I didn't read any of it. It's obviously got nothing to do with the game, just with your personal issues, and it belongs off-topic.
This is AH discussion issue for me, where few seems to want to just blame on me and I want to deal it out with them who feel so. ok?
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One of the first things I learned working on my family's farm in Kansas was this.....when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging!
Cobra
[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 07-31-2000).]
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Originally posted by Cobra:
One of the first things I learned working on my family's farm in Kansas was this.....when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging!
but I don't like that 'if you dont like it, forget it' theme...
that way kind of sounds like I should just walk away, forget all and not deal it out with people..
I'd like to be friends again not read too often those guys posts that just on purpose wants to whine on me because I have done the same more and more aggressive as thread goes on with the same stupid topic that has nothing to do with that whole thread..
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"home is where u dig it"
sgt.Zeke
grab a plane and shoot the ego's out off the air
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Fishu,
Your problem isn't people whining about you. It is you. You told me in a post you are a student and can't afford to pay to play. Then act like a good student and spend time listening instead of talking. You speak of things you do not have direct experiance with and try to tell those who DO have experiance, (even a career in the subject) that they are wrong. You need to sit back and leave the BBS posting alone for a bit.
You don't play the SIM, you have no real business criticising it if you don't use it. You sure don't have any business criticising others who have experiance in the subjects they are posting about.
Mav
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I don't want to pile on here, Fishu. I am curious of one thing though:
Why do you think people respond negatively to you?
Not a flame- I just feel sometimes we already know the answers to the questions we ask.
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hi all:
did i start all this
wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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Originally posted by Kieren:
I don't want to pile on here, Fishu. I am curious of one thing though:
Why do you think people respond negatively to you?
Not a flame- I just feel sometimes we already know the answers to the questions we ask.
Not all, but few certain ones seems to just reply to me everytime they can if they just can bring bad sides of my talking up...
It is like the example I gave with wolf37, but that is just example where from you can't miss the idea of my meaning.
Of course other that sort of stuffs are not as visible...
some of them do that because they like me as much as I like them..
Often I also read messages where people does not read my post completely and then writes their own, and I do read theirs, reply to it and they still does not get my meaning because they dont try to understand what they read...
sometimes that begins to feel that there is something personal going on when they keep so stubbornely from trying to understand me.
(as I reply to that in effort to make him understand, he replies what he does and then more people joins up to blame on me)
Would like to tell more precisly my meaning here but that would again count as too much whine and some certain people wouldnt maybe want to read it and understand completely.
this is reply to Kieren, so no flames from other than him, ok?
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Originally posted by wolf37:
hi all:
did i start all this
Not really, but partly yes...
Kind of got enough of that when people begins to flaming my posts.
Yours was good example in most clearest form of that how few people reacts to my posts. (most of the people however does that less visibly though, but point gotten with example)
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Originally posted by Maverick:
Fishu,
Your problem isn't people whining about you. It is you. You told me in a post you are a student and can't afford to pay to play. Then act like a good student and spend time listening instead of talking. You speak of things you do not have direct experiance with and try to tell those who DO have experiance, (even a career in the subject) that they are wrong. You need to sit back and leave the BBS posting alone for a bit.
You don't play the SIM, you have no real business criticising it if you don't use it. You sure don't have any business criticising others who have experiance in the subjects they are posting about.
Mav
Sometimes it is hard to listen when your counterpart does not listen you and you just keep trying to get him listen.
Most of my long posts which many counts as whine, are just efforts to make people understand my meaning.
..what more replies there comes, well, then I must admit that it looks more like worthless whining after all that BS with irrelevant topics between there.
When I did play for few days 1.03, I did play it very much per day during the period and I am alot up for testing things when I do.
I get bored if I can't test things out...
Alot like hackers who are mostly just curious and tests things etc., though, I am not hacker and I don't know anything about hacking.. but those people are curious like me.
Maybe its just that I talk alot and makes it look like i critize alot? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Usually those critics are more visible than good stuff... (like murder vs. saved wale, get the point?)
I speak about that what I am somewhat certain and what goes against that what I've read.
I read alot of World War 2, and I have done so for very many years. (IMO its very intresting)
and I might well be heading for military career, at least almost certainly going to army. (Finlands constitution..)
But then, who in AH really has experience with World War 2? I doubt theres many.
I critize if I have sufficient experience of the subject under main arena conditions, or otherwise very visible flaw that would be most certainly fixed later or sooner even without me.
Give me source where Pz-IVh gets killed through front plate by 20mm cannon from distance of +400 yards, for example. (I have done this under main arena conditions often)
Then another thing, when I am paying, what will you do then?
I really doubt that paying really has something to do with this.
I heard recently that there reads in mein kampf that he who yells louder and tells more roadkill, wins.. (I have not verified this though, one guy said that on one chat to a guy who had that quote in his web page)
Anyhow, that seems very true in this UBB.
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ops wrong thread
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 08-01-2000).]
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>>When I did play for few days 1.03, I did play it very much per day during the period and I am alot up for testing things when I do.
I get bored if I can't test things out...
Alot like hackers who are mostly just curious and tests things etc., though, I am not hacker and I don't know anything about hacking.. but those people are curious like me.<<
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Hackers are not necesarily curious. They can be, and often are, malicious people not intent on "finding things out" but causing problems for others. In short, vandals.
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>>Maybe its just that I talk alot and makes it look like i critize alot? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Usually those critics are more visible than good stuff... (like murder vs. saved wale, get the point?)<<
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You do talk a lot, often trying to speak with a tone of being an expert in areas you have no definitive experiance with. The pay and play angle comes in here. You do not support or use the SIM so your comments about it already have a validity problem. Outside criticism about a product you do not use has far less value, is any, than constructive comments from a person who uses the product and wants to see it improved. in other words, you have no "interest or stake" in it.
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>>I speak about that what I am somewhat certain and what goes against that what I've read.
I read alot of World War 2, and I have done so for very many years. (IMO its very intresting)<<
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History IS interesting. Some of us lived through a good portion of that history and have a first person perspective. This doesn't mean it is all about WW2. There is a lot of history outside of WW2 for the military and aviation. Those of us who have had direct military experiance know a bit more than what you find in the history books. Several of us in this SIM have classified knowledge and can speak far more authoritatively than one who merely reads history from general references.
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>>and I might well be heading for military career, at least almost certainly going to army. (Finlands constitution..)<<
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Good for you. That will help you build your "personal" knowledge base and help with character biulding as well. If you enjoy the benefits of liberty you should be prepared to help defend and protect it.
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>>But then, who in AH really has experience with World War 2? I doubt theres many.<<
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Some of us had parents in the war. Quite a few of us studied the material not from an interest point of view but from a professional point of view. There are many lessons from prior conflicts that do not appear in general history books. Quite a bit of information is available to military references only and contain material not available to civilian sources. Military libraries aren't quite the same as civilian ones. Some of us had to learn the material and then teach it in military graduate level courses such as Command and General Staff College and the Air Force equivalent.
There are still veterans of the war alive and they are available for consultation. I know a couple myself personally who flew in WW2. I currently work for a fighter pilot in my civilian job. He has flown F16's and now A10's. There is even a flying P51 at the airport where I work and I have met and talked to the owner.
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>>I critize if I have sufficient experience of the subject under main arena conditions, or otherwise very visible flaw that would be most certainly fixed later or sooner even without me.<<
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If you are not in the main arena gaining personal experiance, you have no direct knowledge of any "flaws".
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>>Then another thing, when I am paying, what will you do then?
I really doubt that paying really has something to do with this.<<
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It has everything to do with your criticism of the game. If you are not playing it with the rest of us, you have no direct personal knowledge of any problems. In other words again, you have no expertise in a product you do not use. If you start to play online then others know you are speaking from a position of knowledge, not supposition and inferance. The rest of us will be there to interact with you and let you learn the game by flying and dieing online as we do.
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>>I heard recently that there reads in mein kampf that he who yells louder and tells more roadkill, wins.. (I have not verified this though, one guy said that on one chat to a guy who had that quote in his web page)
Anyhow, that seems very true in this UBB.[/B][/QUOTE]<<
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There is a cogent observation. You seem to be coming from this very direction. Stop yelling about something you do not do / use. Stop claiming superior knowledge and expertise, particularly when dealing with those who were or are in the profession of arms for real. If you do not fly or have experiance with the weapons don't profess to be an expert. There is book knowledge and then there is real world experiance. Sometimes the two don't match.
If you do not play the game you are certainly not an expert in it. I't's almost the same as walking up to a chess master and telling them how to play chess since you read a book about it and have played a couple of games.
Now this was about as plain and constructive I can be about this. You started the thread and asked for the information. I hope you take it as constructive information as that is the way it was meant. If I had just wanted to flame you it would have been much shorter and certainly more "earthy".
Mav
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 08-01-2000).]
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I honestly believe about 90% of the conflicts that happen online occur because of misunderstandings- this is why it is always safer to assume the best intent in everyone.
Fishu, I don't think you intend to be irritating- at least I've never taken you that way. I do think you are opinionated (which is ok, so am I and about everyone I know!).
There is a language barrier I believe you struggle through, and what is probably a more telling point, a cultural one as well. As far as I know Finnish is your native language. You speak pretty good English, so people tend to forget you are not native to the language. More, there are subtle nuances to any culture- more like social taboos- and inevitably you cross them occasionally. That is entirely understandable and forgiveable.
The way you read sometimes is that your opinion matters more than others, and they are foolish to disagree. That may surprise you, but that is the way you translate to a native speaker. Again, your technical use of the language is fluent, and this fools people; they don't understand what I assume is a misunderstanding on your part of the tone of your messages. You yourself have many times commented you can't believe someone didn't get the joke. The fact is, they probably didn't.
The thing I like about your posting (and anyone else who's opinion occasionally differs from mine) is that it challenges me to rethink my position on any given topic. If one really wants to be objective, one has to be willing to change their mind if evidence suggests the need.
Always remember that, if many people contest your point-of-view, the very least you should do is re-examine it yourself. They just might be seeing something you missed. If people are responding negatively to you, ask yourself, honestly, "Why?". If you see anything that causes you to be flamed, decide if you control it or not. Make the change or get used to the fire. This isn't to suggest not sticking to a valid viewpoint, only that one must leave room for the possibility that occasionally anyone can be wrong. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 08-01-2000).]
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Maverick,
You don't have idea of that how much experience I get in few days of play if I am up for testing couple things.
and main arena conditions is same as main arena if you didn't already realise.
Talking of superior knowledge and all the other stuff, read your own messages, you're having your superior knowledge with me here.
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Originally posted by Kieren:
There is a language barrier I believe you struggle through, and what is probably a more telling point, a cultural one as well. As far as I know Finnish is your native language. You speak pretty good English, so people tend to forget you are not native to the language. More, there are subtle nuances to any culture- more like social taboos- and inevitably you cross them occasionally. That is entirely understandable and forgiveable.
Always remember that, if many people contest your point-of-view, the very least you should do is re-examine it yourself. They just might be seeing something you missed. If people are responding negatively to you, ask yourself, honestly, "Why?". If you see anything that causes you to be flamed, decide if you control it or not. Make the change or get used to the fire. This isn't to suggest not sticking to a valid viewpoint, only that one must leave room for the possibility that occasionally anyone can be wrong. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Finding right word is not easy at times... I must admit that..
I have decided though that if I find some stubborn guy that does not wan't to listen me, I'll quit replying to him... (sounds like good way to reduce amount of whine)
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Maverick,
You don't have idea of that how much experience I get in few days of play if I am up for testing couple things.
and main arena conditions is same as main arena if you didn't already realise.
Talking of superior knowledge and all the other stuff, read your own messages, you're having your superior knowledge with me here.
Fishu,
You're right. But that is the result of over 24 years experiance in the Army as an Armor Officer. I believe that outweighs any study of the subject you have made to date. I did it, you have just read about it. There is a succinct difference. If you cannot respect the knowledge others have gained through a lifetime of experiance you have need of services not available from this forum.
You started the thread and asked for the information. I, against my first thought, decided to give it a try thinking it was a real request. It seems to have been an error on my part.
Please note, no smileys of any type in either post.
Mav
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I don't usually reply to this kind of thread so... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (That should tell you that what follows is my personal opinion only and should be taken as such. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
First I should say that I have the greatest respect for you, Fishu. IMO I think that people get a little bit angry (annoyed?) with your posts for a few reasons.
A. They always seem to completely disagree with the person who posted before you.
B. Often they have a hidden sarcastic tone to them, or are obviously totally biased to one side or the other. (Usually to the effect of "All US planes in AH are overmodelled because the game is made by people in the US.")
C. People think that you don't play the game enough to have a 100% valid opinion.
(Considering that we have had 4 patches for 1.03, IMO only playing it for a few days does not give you an accurate understanding of the current status of the game.)
D. Newer players who have not flown against you may believe you are just an outsider that continually posts about the game. (More experienced players will know this isn't true.)
E. Because you do not speak English as your native language you may not fully comprehend the conotation of your language. To put it another way, your posts do not carry the same tone and emotional impact for us, as opposed to what you intended the message to convey. I find this to be a common source of anger between us. For example what I thought would be taken as only a joke was taken as an insult by the reader. (I must say that your English is VERY good considering it is not your native language.)
I think it's important to say that I feel you are entitled to post whatever you wish. No matter what others say, this game wouldn't be the same without you.
Don't take the above post as a whine or "flame" against you, it isn't. I was only trying to give you my honest opinion to your question.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Originally posted by Maverick:
Fishu,
You started the thread and asked for the information. I, against my first thought, decided to give it a try thinking it was a real request. It seems to have been an error on my part.
Please note, no smileys of any type in either post.
Mav
Yes, I admit, sorry about that... my mistake I believe.
But there is lots of other who are talking BS too though..
It's morning here and I found out that ADSL provider is not working and using 33.6k.. wrong sort of way to wake up and get angry.
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Originally posted by bloom25:
First I should say that I have the greatest respect for you, Fishu. IMO I think that people get a little bit angry (annoyed?) with your posts for a few reasons.
B. Often they have a hidden sarcastic tone to them, or are obviously totally biased to one side or the other. (Usually to the effect of "All US planes in AH are overmodelled because the game is made by people in the US.")
C. People think that you don't play the game enough to have a 100% valid opinion.
(Considering that we have had 4 patches for 1.03, IMO only playing it for a few days does not give you an accurate understanding of the current status of the game.)
I think it's important to say that I feel you are entitled to post whatever you wish. No matter what others say, this game wouldn't be the same without you.
Don't take the above post as a whine or "flame" against you, it isn't. I was only trying to give you my honest opinion to your question.
I Might have respect in the plane, but not in the UBB, must fix that problem..
(If that mantra: "fish, shut up" would work someday, many would be happy)
What more replies I do into the thread, that more stupid it gets (and makes people angry) and that will get a change (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (realised that its not worth arguing that much)
Well, currently it is just because it seems that US has got those toys for everything..
They could have put there B-17F for example, when every game has B-17G, then it would give those sluggish high altitude german interceptors some chances... (though, I haven't tried recently how german planes flies high altitude now, but that was just poor example ok?)
I don't whine if I don't know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I haven't been complaining for while now when I don't have any fresh test results which would give me a reason for criticism.
(just arquing, mostly.. even worst than criticism, I figure)
Your post is least to be taken as flame or whine, it is what I have asked for.. (sort of)
Way to type reasons is well thought..
Considering that almost everyone in Finland will study english in school, I don't think that my english is 'very good'
Been figuring whether I should drop level of requirements for AH.
I have always been too much of realism 'geek'
Makes me get annoyed if something is too easy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (bored too..)
might be the cause for that criticism of mine.
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"To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day."
-Sir Winston Churchill
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Fishu, I think it's mainly reason D in my list above. (Kieren also said the same thing.) It seems to me that you aren't doing anything that the rest of us don't do. We all state our opinions on a subject, and often this involves explaining why another's views are incorrect, based on our experiences. Honestly I don't know why you take as much heat on this board then the rest of us, but I'd say it's probably reason D for the most part. I'm sure that if I tried to post a joke in Finnish (I couldn't even if I wanted to. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ) it wouldn't quite mean the same thing to you as it does to me. It may even seem to be an insult to you, even though I thought it was just a simple joke.
Back in High School I took 4 years of Spanish classes. One thing I learned was that translating a joke from English to Spanish often distorts the meaning of the joke, even though in a dictionary the words mean the same thing. For example, in Mexico you often meet people who have nicknames like "gordo", which means "fat" in English. In Mexico this is common practice (pretty common nickname too), but here in the US calling someone "fatty" would almost always be taken as an insult.
I think it's important to remember this when playing a game that attracts players from many different countries who speak many different languages.
A great point is some of the above posts in this thread. To me they seem pretty neutral for the most part, but to Fishu, I don't know he he will interpret them. To him they may seem like insults, even though that isn't what the person who wrote them wanted them to be.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Forgive and forget i say.
Remember it's much easier to insult someone when typing rather than face to face.