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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: john9001 on April 16, 2003, 09:09:06 PM
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the anti-war,anti-american, liberal ,hollywood, etc crowd said there would be 30-40 thousand US casualties, hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis killed and the "arab street" would rise up in protest of the imperial boosh/halburton oil cartell attack on the sovereign dictatorship of saddam the butcher of bagdad.
so.....bush is a failure, he has caused none of these things to happen.
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errrr thing is that game US is playing in the middle-east is never over.
You can bomb one country to the stoneage but there's still people who are ready to blow some stuff up to have a revenge.
Remember, it took only dozen of nutcases (mostly from SaudiArabia) to kill 3000 americans.
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Originally posted by Staga
Remember, it took only dozen of nutcases (mostly from SaudiArabia) to kill 3000 americans.
Yeah, but thats the sort of thing that would only work once against us (like Pearl Harbor). And once it's done, there's no place on this planet where the perpetrators can hide or find protection.
Famous Last Words: "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve." -Isoruku Yamamoto
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Staga:
We didnt bomb iraq to the stone age, that is incredibly ignorant misrepresentaion on your part and a very disrespectful attitide to the incredible lengths we went to in the airwar to spare all manner of infrastructure and civilan facilities. We even left the lights on in baghdad - power was only shut off by the iraqis when we were closing in on the city.
So please be more careful how you characterise things, otherwise we might take it the wrong way.
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Originally posted by Rasker
Famous Last Words: "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve." -Isoruku Yamamoto
Actually his last word were: "Did you see that? I think I saw p38's"
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I just love the way Grunherz talks about 'we' when he refers to the actions of the US military. As if he had anything to do with it. LOL.
My guess is that the human shield campaign was effective - the coalition chose not to bomb the protected plants in fear of a huge publicity scandal and a propaganda victory to the Iraqis.
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Um.. Grun, how do you explain the water pumping stations in Basira and Bagadad?
People in a desert country went without water for almost a week!
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Well siaf I guess I consider the military of my country as my countrymates and so I use the word we. However that might not generally be the case in eurotrash countries with no more pride in themselves or in people who oppose the war or who think the military is evil.
I said we tried hard 10Bears, infintely harder than at any large scale modern war, not that nothing was hit or that we were perfect. You dont really agree with his assertion that we bombed them to the stone age do you? You must see how excggerted and innacurate that stement is?
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
My guess is that the human shield campaign was effective - the coalition chose not to bomb the protected plants in fear of a huge publicity scandal and a propaganda victory to the Iraqis.
You are trolling agian... Most of those idiotys camped out at hospitals and orpahanages -places they knew wouldnever be targeted. The second the Iraqis asked them to protect real targets they all packed up and ran back home to their safe western countries and their comfortable houses, nice jobs and hot starbucks lattes.
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Wrong Grunherz, not so long ago I saw a document of the human shields tragicomic trip to Iraq, and they were appointed to power plants among other places.
Some of them skipped because the Iraqis had major garrisons right next to the plants.
And as what goes to 'eurotrash' if I recall correctly, you were born in europe. You're a first gen immigrant.
Do you have any idea how phoney and ridiculous you sound when you spew bs like that? Get a grip man.
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They didn't try to avoid the human shields, or at least I hope not. There would have been a popularity boost of 10% just by hitting a few of them.
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shielded hospital and universities which proved to be some of the biggest arms caches the mighty iraq military had
yep, Bush is a failure at over 70% approval rating
sorry we had to disrupt their water and electricity 10bears, I do think it was a war. if that action saved one US soldier from injury it was worth it.
stupid thread
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Does this mean Martin Sheer will get the axe?
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10 bears... your just pissed because this was the most "humane" war ever fought in the history of mankind.
All wars are bad things... All you can hope for is good reasons and good results with as little suffering as possible... As wars go... this one was the best that anyone could hope for... You really have to dig to find the downside don't ya?
yeah... people got killed and yes there was suffering and destruction of property. Taken case by case... every case of suffering was a tragedy...
Hopefully, 6 mos of new rule will more than make up for the entire losses of the war... Hopefully the example shown to world wide terror and those who would harbor them will prevent maybe 1 or a dozen cities going up in ash from a few suitcase nukes. or a few shot down airliners will be prevented or bio poisoning of millions of peoples water supplies.
Maybe those who want to sit on gold toilets will evict their terrorist scum tennats... maybe terrorism will be too expensive of a hobby for them now.
10 bears... maybe you liked the way that clinton handled africa? was that the kind of "end to suffering" that you endorse? Was that the way war should be waged and the results that we should expect? How much suffering did it cause and how much did it end? How effective was the U.N.?
lazs
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I said we tried hard 10Bears, infintely harder than at any large scale modern war, not that nothing was hit or that we were perfect. You dont really agree with his assertion that we bombed them to the stone age do you? You must see how excggerted and innacurate that stement is?
Staga said “One could bomb a country to the stone age there would always be a part of the population that is radicalized. That’s a general statement and could be applied to any country --he didn’t mention Iraq. You seem to imply that the bombing of the water pumping stations was an accident. It wasn’t. It was a deliberate act to break down the enemy’s will to wage war. A sound military strategy, however, I still feel this is a war crime. Because when you think about it, which enemy’s will are you trying to break down? The Iraqi military or civilians?.
sorry we had to disrupt their water and electricity 10bears, I do think it was a war. if that action saved one US soldier from injury it was worth it.
I’m cool with shutting off the lights.. it’s the water pumping stations I have a problem with. Remember, parts of Baghdad and Basra are pretty build up eh.. 5 story western style apartment buildings and that.. with western style plumbing fixtures. Can you imagine the entire city unable to flush the toilet? Unable to take a shower?. Ah man!.. Let’s not talk about all the bacteria floating around.. germs diseases. Oh no... if this isn’t a war crime.. it ought to be.
10 bears... your just pissed because this was the most "humane" war ever fought in the history of mankind.
Not exactly Laz, 1999’s Operation Allied Force was more humane. Only 200 Serb civilians were killed according to the Serbian government. The United States along with 19 nations of NATO and the support of 53 other countries used force to accomplish political goals. Those goals were met after 78 days of bombing. One of the main reasons for this: Using graphite bombs on Belgrade power station night after night.. The rich people in those high rises finally got tired of walking up 16 flights of stairs and called Slobo on the phone to sue for peace.
At no time during Allied Force did we bomb the water pumping station. The cigarette factory.. well ok.. we hit their cigarette factory.. Serbs had to sue for peace after running outta smokes..
10 bears... maybe you liked the way that clinton handled africa? was that the kind of "end to suffering" that you endorse? Was that the way war should be waged and the results that we should expect? How much suffering did it cause and how much did it end? How effective was the U.N.?
lazs
Are you talking about Uganda? President Clinton now says he regrets his decision not to intervene in that civil war. I have to disagree.. His first instinct was better.. The Hutis vs the Tutus.. What do we tell our troops.. only shoot the tall guys? No real command or leadership structure... no uniformed forces.. that would’ve been a real mess.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Actually his last word were: "Did you see that? I think I saw p38's"
LOL!!!
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there were no water pumping stations blown up , saddams butchers shut of the power to the pumps, and sabotaged the power stations. put the blame where it belongs, fool.
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IM GLAD I LIVE IN KICK bellybutton USA !!!!!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Staga:
We didnt bomb iraq to the stone age, that is incredibly ignorant misrepresentaion on your part and a very disrespectful attitide to the incredible lengths we went to in the airwar to spare all manner of infrastructure and civilan facilities. We even left the lights on in baghdad - power was only shut off by the iraqis when we were closing in on the city.
So please be more careful how you characterise things, otherwise we might take it the wrong way.
-errrr where did I said you did bomb them back to the stoneage? What I said was "You can bomb one country to the stoneage but there's still people who are ready to blow some stuff up to have a revenge."
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I dont buy it staga, thats too fine a distiction in a thread specifically about a war in iraq.... Sorry..
As for you Siaf, eurotrash is state of mind - it has nothing to do with place of birth..
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And Bush is such an amazingly successfull failure that he single handedly ruined the economy before he was elected.
Heard that one on the radio and have been waiting to use it ;)
I think that all these liberals, democrats and flaky hollywood types have a lot of egg on their face because of their uninformed predictions.
Anyone read the Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy books? Remember the 3rd Ark that was sent first so that they would have clean telephones, etc when the rest got to the new planet? Sounds like a pretty smart move to me :D
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I just love the way Grunherz talks about 'we' when he refers to the actions of the US military. As if he had anything to do with it. LOL.
My guess is that the human shield campaign was effective - the coalition chose not to bomb the protected plants in fear of a huge publicity scandal and a propaganda victory to the Iraqis.
Give it up....you always jump in here and sound off with this tripe....human shields...you can't be that disillusioned.
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10bears... you are comparing operation allied force with a regime change that involved 30 million people? that is laughable. How many civilians were killed in iraq? What percent is that of the population? How many armored divisions did the serbs hide in their cities for the fight?
You say that in baghdad the poor appartment dwellers relied on water being pumped up to them but the in the case of the serbs they were "rich people in high rises" who got tired of dragging their fat tulips up and down the stairs so they surrendered.. sheesh.
Who cares what clinton thinks or thought... he doesn't do any better in hindsight. You didn't answer my question... how did he do a better job? How would the un have done a better job in iraq? Oh... wait... they were doing sanctions... 12 years of em as I recall... no suffering involved in that eh? No civilians injured by the ol sadman eh? He wasn't traing all that many terrorists and ... heck it's all conjecture that he would share WMD's with his terrorist tennants.
lazs
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Rude so you think it was just a coincidence that the coalition didn't touch any of the sites that claimed to have shields on them? As opposed to the last conflict where those key structures were hit first, in order to destroy the iraqi's means of communication.
You must realise that if even one shield would have been hit, the media would've been all over the coalition leaders? Your country would have been seen as a murdering agressor.
A week of bad press would have turned the general opinnion in US enough to force them to stop the whole campaign. Trust me.
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Siaf give proof where the human shields were during every day of the war. The vast majority of those eurotrash bastards were back home.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Trust me.
Fat chance.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Rude so you think it was just a coincidence that the coalition didn't touch any of the sites that claimed to have shields on them? As opposed to the last conflict where those key structures were hit first, in order to destroy the iraqi's means of communication.
You must realise that if even one shield would have been hit, the media would've been all over the coalition leaders? Your country would have been seen as a murdering agressor.
A week of bad press would have turned the general opinnion in US enough to force them to stop the whole campaign. Trust me.
Got to be trollling with this....No way is someone actually this stupid & ignorant. At least I hope not. Good luck with that bait!
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
You must realise that if even one shield would have been hit, the media would've been all over the coalition leaders? Your country would have been seen as a murdering agressor.
A week of bad press would have turned the general opinnion in US enough to force them to stop the whole campaign. Trust me.
Trust you? A lying troll and USA hating idiot, you gotta be kidding. Why should anyone trust anything you say. You think the death of one of tyhose hippe pieces of garbage during a time when real American young people were sacrificing thmselves to protect america would stop the war. You are nuts. Those people made fools of themselves when they went to iraq to protect one of the most brutal dictatorships since WW2, they are not heros and they dont give a damn about the iraqi people - they were only out to make a selfish and vain statement against their own governments.
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Originally posted by Eagler
shielded hospital and universities which proved to be some of the biggest arms caches the mighty iraq military had
yep, Bush is a failure at over 70% approval rating
sorry we had to disrupt their water and electricity 10bears, I do think it was a war. if that action saved one US soldier from injury it was worth it.
stupid thread
Well, it is now.
That 70% shows that the talking/embedded heads performed well to the uninformed ignorant masses. Never underestimate their ability to follow like sheep.
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I picture GWB driving the World down the road, and turning around to the Arab countries in the back seat, wagging his finger and saying "don't make me pull this car over again!"
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Rude so you think it was just a coincidence that the coalition didn't touch any of the sites that claimed to have shields on them? As opposed to the last conflict where those key structures were hit first, in order to destroy the iraqi's means of communication.
You must realise that if even one shield would have been hit, the media would've been all over the coalition leaders? Your country would have been seen as a murdering agressor.
A week of bad press would have turned the general opinnion in US enough to force them to stop the whole campaign. Trust me.
Ok....where did all the human shields go? Why have not even the Arab press hyped them...you know they would if THEY COULD FIND ANY!
Now don't let the purpose of this action confuse you either...ya know the part about rebuilding Iraq? Why would we lay waste to their infrastructure when it's not necessary to win the war and secondly, WE would be the ones to pay to rebuild the same.
Stop acting silly....if ya feel we're the great satan, then just say it....don't try and tell me how MY country and MY President will behave because certain people who don't have the sense to stay out of a war zone, might die by American bombs....that's if we could find any of these human shields in the first place.
Where did they all go? Did any die? If they did perish, did we kill em?
Proof not tripe...fork it over, or perhaps your just runninn your mouth? Which is it?
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heh, good analogy MT
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I have this aching desire to smash Siaf's face against a curb untill he turns red black white and blue through and through.
Hmm maybe its just me.
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Originally posted by JoeSmoe
I have this aching desire to smash Siaf's face against a curb untill he turns red black white and blue through and through.
Hmm maybe its just me.
Let's not hear any self doubt here, Schmuck. It's the American Way! We don't need no stinking diplomacy and dialogue! Give us blood!!!!!
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The biggest questions have always related to the aftermath, not defeating Iraq's military.
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Originally posted by john9001
the anti-war,anti-american, liberal ,hollywood, etc crowd said there would be 30-40 thousand US casualties, hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis killed and the "arab street" would rise up in protest of the imperial boosh/halburton oil cartell attack on the sovereign dictatorship of saddam the butcher of bagdad.
so.....bush is a failure, he has caused none of these things to happen.
As part of the etc crowd, I have to say I am insulted by your insinuations. How about a reference as to who, exactly, forecast those numbers?
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Originally posted by Arfann
Well, it is now.
That 70% shows that the talking/embedded heads performed well to the uninformed ignorant masses. Never underestimate their ability to follow like sheep.
You see how the USA haters are never happy and never offer an alternative. All of us know that Arfann would be the first to cry CENSORSHIP! if the embeedd reports were not there but now that they were he is crying COLLUSION!
Tell me oh wise USA hater with all the answers what sort of press sytem would you propose to cove a war on this cale.
We know that you are against:
Pooled reporters.
Embedded reporters.
What are you for when it comes to reprting the war?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I picture GWB driving the World down the road, and turning around to the Arab countries in the back seat, wagging his finger and saying "don't make me pull this car over again!"
LOL
I picture more like the memory I have of my dad, more than once, driving down the road with one hand on the wheel while swinging the belt into the backseat area at us four kids with the other ...
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Rude are you really that simple?
The human shields are not in the press because none of them died. Mission accomplished.
The buildings they were located in were not attacked, the city got taken and they left home. Why would the press make a big deal out of it? Afterall nobody can prove they were the reason for the coalition not bombing the plants, it's just a coincidence that the coalition war plans changed radically..
don't try and tell me how MY country and MY President will behave because certain people who don't have the sense to stay out of a war zone, might die by American bombs
Nice that you seem to acknowledge that the loss if innocent lives is not an issue for you. Anything you want to do, you will do regardless of the loss of lives.
You know, pre-war jokes about Bush ending the long peaceful era had a bit of truth in them, like most good jokes.
What's with the great satan thing? I think you're confusing me with the fundamentalists. You still have a LOT to learn, criticism does not equal hate. You just cant take the critic and get offended for it. You're blinded by your own hate, which is sad.
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it's just a coincidence that the coalition war plans changed radically..
So you saw the pre-human shields pentagon battle plan?
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Rude are you really that simple?
The human shields are not in the press because none of them died. Mission accomplished.
The buildings they were located in were not attacked, the city got taken and they left home. Why would the press make a big deal out of it? Afterall nobody can prove they were the reason for the coalition not bombing the plants, it's just a coincidence that the coalition war plans changed radically..
Nice that you seem to acknowledge that the loss if innocent lives is not an issue for you. Anything you want to do, you will do regardless of the loss of lives.
You know, pre-war jokes about Bush ending the long peaceful era had a bit of truth in them, like most good jokes.
What's with the great satan thing? I think you're confusing me with the fundamentalists. You still have a LOT to learn, criticism does not equal hate. You just cant take the critic and get offended for it. You're blinded by your own hate, which is sad.
Nice try.....you're transparent in your motives and very predictable.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I picture GWB driving the World down the road, and turning around to the Arab countries in the back seat, wagging his finger and saying "don't make me pull this car over again!"
hehehe, That's pretty good, and very accurate, but the operative image isn't the pulling over, it's that the USA is driving the world down the road and all they can do is go along for the ride.
That's what has got all the EUers all upset. The USA is in charge! The USA has the responsibility and has earned the right to be in charge. Our systems, our beliefs, our culture, our blood, sweat and tears, have produced a preeminent society while their efforts, if there were any, have not. And, there ain't nothin' they can do about it except look in the mirror to see who is to blame that their "has been" societies, are just that, irrelevant has beens, that haven't added to the common good for fifty or sixty years, or more!.
Oh I can't wait to see Siaf and Gronk and Blitz starting wailing now!
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Which is okay until one of the kids in back puts a partially masticated gumball in the driver's hair.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I picture GWB driving the World down the road, and turning around to the Arab countries in the back seat, wagging his finger and saying "don't make me pull this car over again!"
LOL...and every once in a while he has to hit the brakes. When he does this his arm shoots out instinctivly to stop Israel from going through the windshield..just like a natural soccer mom.:D
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
The USA has the responsibility and has earned the right to be in charge. Our systems, our beliefs, our culture, our blood, sweat and tears, have produced a preeminent society while their efforts, if there were any, have not.
errrr culture? when did you got one? :)
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Originally posted by Staga
errrr culture? when did you got one? :)
Ha! We got it right after we learned to use proper tense in sentences.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Which is okay until one of the kids in back puts a partially masticated gumball in the driver's hair.
Ohhhh, I hate it when that happens!