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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Max on April 16, 2003, 09:43:02 PM
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It doesn't look like we're going to see the La7 perked anytime soon.
Fine.
How about unperking the Tempest?
All in favor, say "aye"
DmdMax
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I say perk only the Me262 and Me163.
ack-ack
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nay
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How could a Temp be Unperked ...IMO it is the best perked plane in the game. And there are very good reasons why it is perked.
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I don't see this "thing" with the la7. I really don't.
They're fun to kill and with most pilots, one dimensional.
Just hang around, wait for the mistake..
Kill
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I AGREE, perk only the 262 and 163.......
VOTE VOTE VOTE
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Originally posted by nopoop
I don't see this "thing" with the la7. I really don't.
Just hang around, wait for the mistake.
It is very hard to "just hang around" an La-7 in certain aircraft without being killed.
I'm only an average player (4 to 1 in a Tour is my record for the Mosquito) but a newbie in an La-7 will easily defeat me if we start co-E and I don't get him very, very quickly.
That said I don't see the need to change anything, I just hate La-7s.
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Nay. The Tempest is worth the points imho. It's clearly the unchallenged King of the Planeset at typical MA-combat alts.
The SpitXIV is not. It's good@higher alts, but inferior to many non-perk planes at typical combat alts. Additionally, it's icon is a death-sentence. worth 5-10 points.
The Ta152 is not - for the same reasons as above. Unperk it - and watch it's usage for 2 months. If it's too high in the second tour perk it again. 5 points.
The F4U-1C is an outstanding weapon upgrade for an otherwise only mediocre plane for the MA environment. Price could be lower as it's usage wouldn't go up to the unbearable levels it was perked for. The N1K2-J is superior for most applications in the MA and is free. 1-2 points.
The 262 is worth its price as well as the 163. Both could be more expensive imho.
The only thing I'd perk is the 3 B-20 armament on the La-7. Most La7s didn't have it. 1 Point for it.
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Unperk the Tempest or perk the La7!!!
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The La7 is better than every perk plane we have, except the Tempest. Of course, you'd be hard pressed to get an La-7 driver to admit that.
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The only reason the La-7 is better than the Spitfire Mk XIV or Ta152H-1 is because of the typical AH combat altitude, eg, low. The La-7 is optimized for low altitude work and that is where the vast majority of combat in AH takes place. The Spitfire Mk XIV and Ta152H-1 are optimized for high altitude combat, where practically no fighting occurs in AH.
This does kind of lead one to wonder why they are perked and the La-7 is not.
I did manage to drag an La-7 up to 25,000ft while flying the Spitfire Mk XIV once. After a few positional manuvers he realized how badly outclassed he was and put is nose down and out accelerated me towards the deck. Dang but that thing dives fast, although he did ge the jump on me in diving by a good 4-5 seconds.
Too bad to, I'd have had him in another 15 seconds.
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Argue to perk the LA-7 all you want.
Don't unperk the Tempest. It's worth the points.
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Let me get this straight:
You are upset because ONE free plane is too fast and too good and your proposed solution is to allow free use of yet another plane that is even faster and even better - so that now we will have TWO planes that are too fast and too good...
This helps how?
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PERK LA-7 FOR 12 POINTS!!!!! (same as the F4U1-C)
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
PERK LA-7 FOR 12 POINTS!!!!! (same as the F4U1-C)
Learn to exploit the weaknesses of the La7 and you won't be part of the flock that bleets to have them perked.
ack-ack
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Learn to exploit the weaknesses of the La7 and you won't be part of the flock that bleets to have them perked.
The very same argument can be used with the 262 and the 163. Get them on their take-off or landings. Sucker them into a high-G maneuver. Keep updating their position among friendlies in the area and they present virtually no threat as a A2A fighter.
Oh wait. How foolish of me.
Those things are unlikely to happen... and is a meaningless argument... about as much as it is unlikely that one has the time to wait for the La-7 to make a mistake, in an inferior plane, unless one has either the hoarde or the alt factor(or maybe both) backing him up.
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Originally posted by nopoop
I don't see this "thing" with the la7. I really don't.
They're fun to kill and with most pilots, one dimensional.
Just hang around, wait for the mistake..
Kill
What he said - only challenging La7 pilot to totally spank me of late is Shane.
palef
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Let me get this straight:
You are upset because ONE free plane is too fast and too good and your proposed solution is to allow free use of yet another plane that is even faster and even better - so that now we will have TWO planes that are too fast and too good...
This helps how?
I'm not upset, ranting or whining. I simply put forth a suggestion along with an informal polling of players.
Grunherz, you're using the old, "Two wrongs don't make a right" argument. In a perfect world, I would agree with you. The problem is, at times it seems half the MA players are swarming in La7's. Unless they're encoutered at high (over 20K) alt, or outnumbered, or perhaps you're a high ranked pile-it, you're dead meat due to the overwhelming speed advantage of the La7.
I simply happen to believe that one shouldn't have to expends 60 perkies in order to fly a plane that won't get run down by the LaLa crowd.
DmdMax
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Is there a contest to see how many "LA7 is Uber" threads can be started?
BigWorm
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great question! not sure how it would affect gameplay but here are my first impressions: 1) would reduce the # of pilots flying 190's & tiffs. 2) would affect # flying la-7's too--fewer maybe--. or . . . MORE people would fly laffers in attempts at catching tempests during their bomb runs. 3) pony's too would be affected.
When i say "affected" i'm referring to goal-driven reasons one might choose a plane not the "well i've not tried this one lemmie give her a whirl" reasoning.
I know this is a different question, but how bout changing the Spit14 icon to just plain ole Spit?[/i]:confused:
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if the fastest e-retaining planes were perked . . . hmmm not sure how things would be affected . . . i'm for anything that would add realisim & enjoyment while making more viable more of the planes in our planeset.
but i bet tour of duty will certainly be reason for lots & lots of discussion.
i think the la-7 won't be perked in main arena & tempest will remain as it is. that's what i think is going to happen. main arena will remain as it is a furballers fun-bowl w/strat teams, missions, sorties, call 'em what you will & tactical & strategic planning taking a bit of a back seat.
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ok i think we should define the reasons behind the desire for it to be perked.
for me the reasons i would put a small perk value on it is that it was a very late introduction and was actually used in small numbers alongside other aircraft like La5's and yaks etc.Its a fairly similar situation to the F4UC, it wasnt used as much as many other types so when the MA becomes overcrowded with the rarer planes we end up with an arena which barely resembles a WW2 air battle.
If you see a russian aircraft in AH the one you are likely to see 90% of the time is the La7.This limits you to using faster aircraft in order to counter the threat, BUT this also applies to the P51D,FW190d9,109G10,P47D30 etc (all the later versions of AH aircraft). If i could ask for anything id like to see all these aircraft on a low perk setting (5 or 10 perks each)OR make scoring of perks in these aircraft very difficult thus reducing the appearance of the later versions in a similar way to the f4uc. We would all be able to fly them quite easily if we really would like to but it would mean either a cost in perks OR a very low scoring flight even with lots of kills.
I think we should be encouraged to use older versions in order to afford the use of newer ones rather than as it is now where we can fly all the late war fast aircraft at no cost and still score highly for perks.Really when we fail to use the perk system in order to ballance the arena we may as well get rid of it altogether.I think it(perking) works but we dont use it enough.
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The La-7
1) is fast
2) has crappy gun ballistics
3) has crappy views
4) carries no ordiance to speak of
So because its fast, you feel the need to perk it. Get real.
I think the loudest whine comes from the BnZers who want to be able to drop in and out of the fight at will, against planes that have no chance of catching them as they slice thru the furballs or during a base attack, picking off the slower planes.
Its the 190, 109, P51 pilots that probably hate the La-7s the most. They want to be able to slice and dice without challange, even if they make a mistake.
If the BnZer is good, then the La-7 is not threat at all, but make that one mistake, which a lot of them do, and the La-7 is on you like "white on rice" and you don't like that. If the La-7 were not around, you would be able to make 1 and maybe 2 mistakes without consequence. Its the La-7 that balances the BnZ faction IMHO and that is why it will never be perked.
I fly alot and its the 109s and 190s that are proliferate in the MA, much more than the La-7. They hang high and wait for the opportunity ... nothing wrong with that, but when YOU make a mistake and there is an La-7 there to remind you of the mistake, don't get pissy, remember what you did wrong and don't do it again.
As Ack-Ack said ... the La-7 does have its weaknesses like every plane has, and can be exploited more by TnB planes than the BnZ planes. A good and patient BnZer should be able to kill La-7s without a problem.
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Hazed,
Its been said a million times ... planes are not perked on what year they came out or how many were made. Its all about the total impact the one plane has in the total MA arena. The La-7 does not fit the criteria.
Changing the amount of perks earned in these planes will have no effect at all. I have 1000's of perks and only on occasion do I take up a perk plane. I don't care to fly those planes.
If you want to push the early war planes, then I suggest that you join Lazs cause for a separate early war area within an MA map (I like the idea). Too many people paying $14.99/month for you or anybody else to try and force them to fly planes that they don't want to fly.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
As Ack-Ack said ... the La-7 does have its weaknesses like every plane has, and can be exploited more by TnB planes than the BnZ planes. A good and patient BnZer should be able to kill La-7s without a problem.
While I think the LA-7, P51-D, and SPITIX should all be perked about 5 pps, I do totally agree that a decent stick can beat any of those planes if you know their weaknesses.
Especially a TnB vs. the LA-7. I've killed my fair share of LA-7s by drawing them into a turn fight (while flying a TnB plane of course)after they've dived on me from 10k alt advantage. A nice zero or hurri will kill any LA-7.
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what hazed said about the speed of the laffer forces one to confront it--i agree--as do the other planes he listed.
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& what wine-man said also; yes a decent stick laffers not a big prob it excells within what i think is a fairly narrow bandwidth in comparison.
air to air fights become lower & slower generally . . . WAY glad they don't perk the 2-C:D
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NAY
and I still don't get the whole perk the la7 thing. It's fast at low alts... nice accel at low alts.. that's about it. As a newb I thought it was uber, now I see its' glaring weaknesses. Also, it's not like there is a proliferation of LA 7 "aces" out there unbalancing the arena. I can only think of 2 "dedicated" LA 7 sticks that I would give extra attention to, Shane and kbman. I continue to be surprised any time this "perk the LA 7" thing comes up.
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Well, the real problem I have is that it is superior in performance to all of our 'prop' perk planes except the Tempest. I'd rate it equal to the Tempest in performance at low altitudes (which is, rather unsurprisingly, where the fighting is).
If you are in a Spit 14, an F4U4, or God forbid a Ta-152, you can't hurt an La-7 unless he screws up. He can joust, make a pass, extend out 3,000 yards and turn around for another joust. You can't just say, "Aw screw this" and leave... because the La-7 is faster. The F4U-4 can get away from a La-7 (if it starts with a big enough head start to run the La-7 out of WEP), the other two don't have a chance. Most La-7 pilots aren't stupid. They realize they aren't very good at fighting, or they'd be in a plane that can fight. So they do jousts, or camp out above and behind you and wait for 4 or 5 friends to engage before they'll take off their dress and get dirty with the rest of the kids. So your choice, if you choose to fly a perk plane (and even the Tempest) is to fly at 30k where you don't have to worry about La-7s diving on you with a 1-2k alt advantage (which is all they need to run down any prop plane) and forcing you to turn back into the conga line chasing you, or ... to just fly an La-7.
I actually don't care if the La-7 gets perked. There are other planes that would perform the same function for the inept pilots that make up the bulk of the La-7 population. The Typhoon comes to mind, and some of them might even go to the P-51D. What I would like to see is the perk costs eliminated or drastically reduced for our 'prop' perk planes. That would also have the function of adding 'diversity', since people WOULD fly the F4U-4 and Spit 14.
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i'm endorsing urchin's unperk-plan i think it would be way fun flying a spit 14 & tempest w/out 14 guys dropping everything to try to engage
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As much as I *hate* that plane, I do think newbies need something fast and forgiving to cut their teeth in. Most noobs aren't going to take the time to climb past 8k either, the plane is more or less perfect for the beginner.
I do hate them though.... hate them!
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i must have missed something when i was a noob. i never flew any laffers.
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Hehe, I flew them shamelessly. Was a great set of training-wheels.
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Originally posted by Elysian
Hehe, I flew them shamelessly. Was a great set of training-wheels.
Aye! :D
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I'm all for unperking everything but the 163 and 262... but then instead of dweebs flying 4 or 5 planes which are marginally better than the "lesser" ones, everyone would be flying tempest's, spit14's, and f4u4's, which make more than half the planeset obsolete.
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Hmmm. To perk or not to perk. That is the question, eh?
I say keep the LA7 unperked. Infact instead trying to make it perked why not just increase the value of it. For Example, make it a 12 or 10 point plane instead of a 15 point plane.
If for any reason that the LA7 is to be perked, then I strongly believe that the Spit IX and the N1K should perked with it aswell. The LA7 is a good plane but I think the pilot is what makes it an even more of a lethal plane. If the LA7 was ever to be perked I don't think that many people would actually pay the point's to fly it. It maybe a fast plane and have a nice ammo load out, but I would rather fly a Yak that is not perked.
*DigWeed
Peace out!
:D
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If there was any evidence either from kill results in AH or from the actually charicteristcs of the La7 vs the other planes to support perking it..it would have been long ago.
But there of course is not. To say the Tempest and La7 are equal is silly. The Tempest has range, view, firepower and good looks advantages on the La7. I think they are close in speed right on the deck.
Not supprisingly the La7 has a 1 to 3 kill to death vs the Tempest this tour. Just like the Typhoon and the Spit IX and the 190D9 do.
Those planes are all rated simularly in the game and perform simularly against the Tempest.
War isnt fair. There has to be some plane that is the fastest non perk ride on the deck and its the La7. Big deal. You make the tempest the fastest non perk ride on the deck and you have also made a great Fighter bomber, with excellent range and excellent fire power and excellent views from the cockpit and excellent robustness the fastest non perk plane on the deck.
So, silly recomendation to solve a problem that doenst exist.
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If there was any evidence either from kill results in AH or from the actually charicteristcs of the La7 vs the other planes to support perking it..it would have been long ago.
But there of course is not. To say the Tempest and La7 are equal is silly. The Tempest has range, view, firepower and good looks advantages on the La7. I think they are close in speed right on the deck.
Not supprisingly the La7 has a 1 to 3 kill to death vs the Tempest this tour. Just like the Typhoon and the Spit IX and the 190D9 do.
Those planes are all rated simularly in the game and perform simularly against the Tempest.
War isnt fair. There has to be some plane that is the fastest non perk ride on the deck and its the La7. Big deal. You make the tempest the fastest non perk ride on the deck and you have also made a great Fighter bomber, with excellent range and excellent fire power and excellent views from the cockpit and excellent robustness the fastest non perk plane on the deck.
So, silly recomendation to solve a problem that doenst exist.
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"If you are in a Spit 14, an F4U4, or God forbid a Ta-152, you can't hurt an La-7 unless he screws up."
Urchin, you know as well as most, this is always the case for any A2A situation. The one that screws up is the one that dies. Pilots like Lev and Mathman prove it all the time. Its not just the plane ... its mostly the pilot.
"He can joust, make a pass, extend out 3,000 yards and turn around for another joust. You can't just say, "Aw screw this" and leave... because the La-7 is faster."
Sounds very similar to the 109 / 190 / P51 mentality also.
"The F4U-4 can get away from a La-7 (if it starts with a big enough head start to run the La-7 out of WEP), the other two don't have a chance."
I disagree ... the Spit XIV with the same head start will stay out in front of the La-7.
"Most La-7 pilots aren't stupid. They realize they aren't very good at fighting, or they'd be in a plane that can fight."
The La-7 CAN fight, in the right hands, and this is what really pisses people off.
"So they do jousts, or camp out above and behind you and wait for 4 or 5 friends to engage before they'll take off their dress and get dirty with the rest of the kids."
Again ... its sounds very simlar to the majority of the 109 / 190 / P51 crowd.
"So your choice, if you choose to fly a perk plane (and even the Tempest) is to fly at 30k where you don't have to worry about La-7s diving on you with a 1-2k alt advantage (which is all they need to run down any prop plane) and forcing you to turn back into the conga line chasing you, or ... to just fly an La-7."
Yup ... nothing pisses off a 109 and 190 flyer when they are forced to turn and fight.
La-7s suck at altitudes greater than 10K so you could come down quite a bit from that 30K perch, but I very rarely see La-7s above 10K. They are usually down on the deck screwing up some BnZer who made a mistake. I very rarely take my La-7 above 6K ... no reason to ... they will come to you and most will eventually make a mistake (impatience).
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Anyone who really has problems with LA-7's on a regular basis qualifies as a n00b. Let me repeat that, if you really hate the LA7 you are a n00b!!!!!!!!!!
I fly the LA-7 alot, I'm pretty good with it, currently 5.6 K/D and over 5.0 skill ratio by innomin8's stats. KBMAN and I will go out and just clean house in LA7's. But the serious sticks here regularly hand me my ass, flying Spits, P38's, F4U's, etc... Encountering any good Spit pilot who has a bit of E or alt advantage spells death for LA-7's. Engaging over 10k spells death for the LA7 against many planes. The only people who have problems are those who let the LA7 dictate the terms of engagement. Probably the same people who whine about HO's. I like to fly right at 8K, and just let people come at me, a couple of evasives and I'm on 'em, and listen to em whine about how impossible it should have been for me to catch them. HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.
If the LA7 were to be perked, you'd have to perk some other aircraft as well. P51-D, Spit IX, FW-190 D-9, maybe even the Typhoon.
Which I am not entirely oposed to... at least then there would be a bit more variation in what people fly. But honestly, the balance is good right now, not much reason to change it.
One more time, only n00bs fear the LA7.
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la7 is a pthetic waste of materials...not difficult to down at all
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you know as well as most, this is always the case for any A2A situation. The one that screws up is the one that dies. Pilots like Lev and Mathman prove it all the time. Its not just the plane ... its mostly the pilot.
This is a comparison of planes, not pilots only nor pilot+plane+MA, just planes, so pilots are considered equal, and so the only way to outfly the la7 as such in a 152 is for the La7 to make a mistake. without the pilot to make the mistake it's pretty much cooked.
152 isn't so bad that it can't live without a mistake from La7.
La7 will kill you easily if you bend over for it, what gets annoying is when you are doing everything right in a "hard" plane, and La7+N1K+A6M(white pos of course)+spit show up with marginal E and alt and acm advantage but have to make barely any effort to eventually kill you-not making any mistake.
HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.
you're not there.
La7 cant be perked for all of its altitude performance, so the D9 or P51 can't be either for their weak alts.
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Perk the KI-84.
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"This is a comparison of planes, not pilots only nor pilot+plane+MA, just planes, so pilots are considered equal, and so the only way to outfly the la7 as such in a 152 is for the La7 to make a mistake. without the pilot to make the mistake it's pretty much cooked."
I don't believe that you can make a just comparison without taking into consideration the pilot. A WWII plane will not leave the ground without one.
La7 will kill you easily if you bend over for it, what gets annoying is when you are doing everything right in a "hard" plane, and La7+N1K+A6M(white pos of course)+spit show up with marginal E and alt and acm advantage but have to make barely any effort to eventually kill you-not making any mistake.
Let me rephrase that for you ....
La7 will kill you easily if you bend over for it, what gets annoying is when you are doing everything right in a "hard" plane, and show up with marginal E and alt and acm advantage but have to make barely any effort to eventually kill you-not making any mistake.
This example will be true for any combination of planes that you wish to insert. It really has nothing to do with the La-7.
HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.
you're not there.
And thats his fault ? He's not playing the game the way people would like him to, so let's take his ride away from him.
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Originally posted by moot
HELLO, I'm at my best alt, what do you expect? You want to win, engage me to YOUR best alt.
PERK MOOT
hehehe...love ya bud
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Are u really asking to perk one of the AH gold mines for HTC?
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-I don't believe that you can make a just comparison without taking into consideration the pilot. A WWII plane will not leave the ground without one.
You dont agree a comparison of planes is made with no change in pilot? One variable made varied to measure change in second variable?
Second thing is true for any uber plane, its most true for La7 because it has rocket power and can afford to lose speed on everything it does for a killshot and then take back speed faster than any other. A P40 wont do it, nor a hurricane, nor a spit5 to a lesser degree, nor a P38 to a lesser degree, untill you get to the tiniest degree which is by far the group of tempest, la7 etc.
o/t "And thats his fault ? He's not playing the game the way people would like him to, so let's take his ride away from him."
He's saying: give up your advantage to give me mine. Who's going to do that?
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If pilot is going to be a variable in whether one plane is perked, you need to explain why, because players like Fester etc will probably get a handicap that's as attractive as what you denounce in the bold above.
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If you perk LA7 then N1K aka "the UFO" has to be perked also.
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Originally posted by jpeg
If you perk LA7 then N1K aka "the UFO" has to be perked also.
You're insane. Though I believe the La7 should remain unperked, it's definitely in a different league than the N1K.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I don't find La7's all that tough to beat, even with a Typhoon. Granted, I think a lot of the newer players fly the La7 so it's hard to judge. I flew the Spit XIV for the first time in a while, and was surprised to see that a Mustang I dove on ended up outrunning me, perhaps the Spit XIV should come unperked. The Mustang outclasses the XIV in everything but early fight firepower and climb rate.
The only reason an LA7 is a threat, is it's a good crowd interceptor. You just can't get anywhere with them around, as they'll force turns then extend out. Just for their annoyance factor in this regard, I'd say perk them for 10 or else unperk the Spit XIV.
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The Spitfire XIV out-accelerates, out-climbs, and out-turns the P-51D. It doesn't out turn it by as significant a margin as the Spit IX, but it does out turn it.
The P-51D has better speed low, holds it E better, has better firepower, and has a much better cockpit. Also I believe the P-51D is more stable at low speeds, but it might just be because I don't have that much experience in the Spit XIV.
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Originally posted by Urchin
The P-51D has better speed low, holds it E better, has better firepower, and has a much better cockpit. Also I believe the P-51D is more stable at low speeds, but it might just be because I don't have that much experience in the Spit XIV.
Engine torque on the Spitfire Mk XIV is pretty vicious, especially at low speeds. I think it's true for all Sptifire models to a varying degree. I know that when I stall fight in a Spitfire V or Seafire, I'm fighting against the torque almost as much as I am against the target but out of the Spitfires we have in AH, the XIV has the worst torque.
Ack-Ack
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spit14 is nearly the best MA furballer. Accelerates well enough, has good reach with two of the best point and shoot guns in the game, turns well, climbs as fast as a G10.
If it's unperked the 152 should be too.
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There are no La7's in the arena this thread is totaly ridicilus.
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moot,
I have asked this before, and I will ask it again. Please bring forth your analytical data that proves that the AH La-7 is "uber". Please show us how this La-7 outperforms, above and beyond its real-life counterpart.
My whole "pilot" point is that we should aspire, at all times, to become better pilots, and not whine and ask HT to put limiting factors on planes that cause us trouble.
That is the reason why I bring up guys like Lev, Mathman, iceMAW, and there are more. I have never seen these guys cry and whine about any plane and call for it to be perked. I am surprised to see Manx call for it to be perked.
If Lev can fly around in a Spit V, Mathman in an F6F, iceMAW in an FM2/F6F, and be as successful as they are against ANY plane, then there is no reason why you and I can get to that point either. As we move forward to that point, we will die alot, but each encounter adds something to the memory bank and used for education.
I have been at this game for about a year and a-half, and at this stage of the game, I consider myself a good pilot and feel comfortable flying any fighter/attack plane in the stable. I am no where near the level of "great" pilot, but that is what I aspire to, and that is what I work on everytime I play this game.
Everytime we die, it isn't anybody elses or the planes fault that we died. It is all on us, the pilot.
If you are getting killed by La-7s then you have entered into the "kill zone" of the La-7, and its your own fault for being there. This also holds true for any other plane. Fly out of your "zone" and into their "zone" and you will die .. simple as that.
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Maybe I just don't get it, but I find the never ending pissy whines about the La-7 to be almost pathetic.
Sure, they're fast down low. So what?
Ok, they turn reasonably well. Big deal.
Yup, they climb pretty good too. Whoopie.
Let's take all of that and factor in its weaknesses.
Piss-poor gun ballistics.
Low ammo load-out.
Unsatisfactory outward vision.
Nasty accelerated stall characteristics.
Serious compressibility issues.
Limited endurance.
Nearly useless bomb load.
Finally, add in the fact that 95% of the jokers flying it are hopelessly inept and I see nothing especially dangerous about them.
Geez, I take a Tiffie, CHog or Dora and use 'em for gunnery practice. Hell, over the past few tours, I've killed 76 (some ack kills in there too) of them for 2 losses. One being a CHog vulched on a re-arm pad by a suicider and other when I collided with the wingless La-7 I had just wrecked with my Jug.
Rule number one: Manage your energy.
Rule number two: Always keep your nose pointed at them if you are at an energy disadvantage.
This morning I took on an La-7 with a lowly IL-2. All I gave him was a view of my 23mm cannons to look at. Finally, in frustration, he tried a foolish HO... Cya fella.
If you are having trouble with the La-7, quite frankly, it's not the La-7, it's you.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by AcidFunk
Hmmm. To perk or not to perk. That is the question, eh?
*DigWeed
:D
Again, this isn't about perking the La7....more about polling the crowd in reference to UNPERKING the Tempest.
DmdMax <--shameless punt :)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
If you are getting killed by La-7s then you have entered into the "kill zone" of the La-7, and its your own fault for being there.
ROFLOL
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Spit XIV shall be less perks, 25 may be will make its flying justified.
As well as f4u-4, it is overperked.
Tempest is fine. One of the greatest plane in AH, absolutely deadly.
La7 shall be perked only along with p51 and dora. Perking la7 and leaving p51 and dora unperked just has a 0 sence. Actually, I find killing la7s easier, because due to several reasons their pilots are more agressive than typical p51 or dora pilot.
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OK HOW ABOUT THIS:
PERK RIDE OF THE TOUR.
What we seem to be forgetting here is the fact that HTC can change the game or add a new rule and see if it works.Then if it doesnt seem to be working they can remove it very easily.
Why dont HTC try out some of the requests? I would have no problem with any new rule if its clear that its on a trial basis.
So why not have a system where each month the aircraft that gets the most use is perked for the next tour and is then replaced by the new top dog at the end of the next tour etc etc.
At least this would GARENTEE a slightly differing planeset seen above bases every tour. If everyone is flying a particular model , be it p51d,190d9,la7 or whatever, the next tour that same aircraft will cost 5 or 10 perks.
For those that keep saying 'ive got thousands of perks so it doesnt matter' I say they are fooling themselves.I also have over a thousand perks for fighters etc but i still use tempests me262s ta152s and f4uc's LESS because they cost perks.Id say most people in here would agree the perk system certainly worked PERFECTLY for the F4UC problem. I used to hate the constantly similar fights I had to engage in with the F4uc everywhere.When it was perked WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW! I started to enjoy myself again.Now when i fight an f4uc its a rarity and an enjoyable one. The Idea Im trying to put forward is basically that in order to maintain enjoyable variety perking would be and IS the perfect tool to control the way an arena is used.If we begin to see the arena filling up with spits niks and la7s or P51ds,190d9s,109s,p47s then I cannot understand why HTC doesnt take a step toward discouraging their overuse. PERKING isnt BANNING after all!.
Why cant we have a tour where LA7s are perked? followed by a tour where 190D9s are perked? It would be a small cost, would only last for one tour and those that really will fly nothing else can EASILY still fly them.Wheres the harm in it?
I get annoyed with the intollerance of people in AH. I have no problem killing LA7s and have no problem killing in them however I AM fed up with fighting them.I Dont want them removed, Id just like to have a wider variety of fights.The perk system could easily be used to achieve a nice ballance of aircraft but it isnt being used. All we have is 3 or 4 planes with extortionate prices and on or two which are much nearer the way i envisioned perking to work,(ie F4uc and now Ta152 being much cheaper than it was)
I would like to see all the very fast late war planes given a small cost.I would like to see more of the older planes used for a change.
I DONT WANT THIS PERMINANTLY!!! The whole point is it CAN be changed.
What it would mean is a constantly shifting use of the various models.This would result in a greater variety of fights and encounters.I for one would be very pleased to see more of the 205s and la5s or early 109s to fight for a while. wouldnt you?
If it means paying to fly the later models in order to encourage the use of some of the aircraft in AH that i RARELY if EVER meet then im more than happy to go along with it. It seem the people who dont want change are always the ones with high scores or thousands of perks and the funniest thing is, because they have such high amounts of perks, it wouldnt affect them anyway!.
The simple fact of the matter is if a ride is perked you see less of them.It doesnt have to be very high in cost either.Once an aircraft becomes commonplace in the MA it stagnates the game by making all engagements very similar and Id say boring. With a simple dynamic perk system which changes from tour to tour to reflect the use of each model you would see a greater variety of adversaries.
I dont see why we dont try it for a while.If it is terrible and no one likes it well just change it back.Is it really such a big issue?
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If it's unperked the 152 should be too.
I agree Moot, the 152 should be unperked as well. Going to mark this day on the calendar as the first day the two of us have agreed on anything.
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Hazed ... good idea ... that is something that I could live with.
Along the same vein, promoting more early war rides, is lazs's idea. Create a separate area within an MA map that is just early war rides. NB is looking into it to see if its feasiable within the confines of the current game architecture. This would be the solve all problem as I see it.
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lazy, so slapshot i will write some well written response to you later.
manx, yes, and i think one day we'd agreed to go dueling, some time we should do it again.
The question isn't La7 being pathetic, it kills tempest.
It isnt either that it is better than the real La7.