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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: WarpAW on April 18, 2003, 07:49:28 PM
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I fly the LA-7 mostly now. Been doin it for maybe a week. I agree that it's very fast and fairly maneuverable at all but severly high altitudes. I agree that it should be perked, even though I fly it regularly now. If they don't perk it. I will continue to take advantage of the situation. :D
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I disagree.
Without the Lag, us old codgers flying planes that can't turn with her, can't outrun her wouldn't get that warm fuzzy feeling we get when meeting one co-altitude and blowing her soggy rusky butt outta the sky.
For there is nothing better.
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LA-7: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
P-51D: 3 points
190D-9: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
109G-10: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points
Perking these 10 planes would shift the MA into a mid/late 1943 environment.
The F4U-1, P-51B, La-5FN, and the P-47D11 will be the four fastest fighters at low alts at military power, and F4U-1, P-51B, LA-5, Fw190A-8 would be the four fastest on WEP.
There's a much bigger chance to see people using various fighters, which before, have been ignored by a lot of average pilots for the reason that they weren't fast or maneuverable enough against 1944~'45 planes.
The survivability of the P-47s will be vastly enhanced, and since some of the 'super ground attackers' with 2k payload + rockets, have been perked, it would truly live up to its name as a great and fast ground attacking fighter-bomber.
The ol' N1K2 fans will probably just move on to Spit9s anyway. We'll be seeing a bit less N1K2s, but more Spits.. but no special harm done here.
The P-51D fans would shift to the P-51B.. which has a little less ammo load, and weaker jabo capabilities. We'll definately see less whinings about 'cowardly runstangs' who come in at 20k to do a single bomb drop and run straight home after.
The F4U-1 corsair will also start to shine out, but it will of course, be limited in jabo capabilities, compared to the C-hog and the D-hog.
La-7 fans can comfortably ride the La-5FN, since it shares simular characteristics with the La-7, and is still among the fastest non-perked planes .. but the speed difference between other fighters will be a bit less than the La-7: meaning, it'd require some more careful flying, and also, people won't be whining about La-5FNs much.
Also, some planes which only a few people rode just for kicks, might come into real recognition: such as the Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, C.205.. which will be vastly enhanced in survivability and versatility. More variety IMO, can be expected.
Also, some jabo planes which people neglected before, could become very appealing, since the planes that were very fast, and also carried huge bomb loads will be perked. Planes like the Mosquito and the Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8 might be able to get more usage as preferred jabo ride of choice. When the 10 planes are perked, the Mossie and the 110, F-8 can all be considered fast planes...
The 3~4 point perk price would also be adequate. It'd be a super cheap price for the 'experten' who amassed massive perks, and won't bother them from riding their favored rides... and also, it is not a very heavy burden for average/low-skilled pilots, too. Work a bit with other fighters, and they'll achieve 3~10 points easily in a single day. They'll get a chance to ride better planes soon.. and if they are shot down, it's not like losing 200 perks. Just barely enough price to control the numbers in the MA, IMO.
If those 10 fighters are perked, the planes people will use, will be at 310~336mph range at deck speeds, where many many previously neglected planes can be used. The one single problem is the P-38L, which doesn't have an earlier variant..
With my suggested perk setup, I think we can see more variety, less whining, and satisfy the people who want to fly fast monster planes(perks very low for the experts), people who want to fly planes they want without too much of a burden(low perks - not really too much of a burden), and also the people who want some plane numbers regulated(3 perks is not too high, but still needs some work for the vast majority of average/low-skilled players who take up 80% of AH). Also, my suggestion will give some great expert jabo planes(Mossie, 110G-2, Fw190F-8) their role in the MA.. where currently they have no place at all, since almost every USAAF/USN plane can carry loads of rockets+2k load.
ps) also, the survivability of bombers will go up a lot more!
"if you do that without perking the Spit IX, P-51, N1K, I think you'd just encourage the LA-7 drivers into the next best ride; and then we'd have to have the same discussion again about a different plane. "
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This is true, oboe, but let's consider the 'next best planes', in the case of the 'perk list' I've suggested.
The 'next best rides', in this case, are much more 'balanced' with lesser performing planes than when the late-war planes were unperked. As I posted above, the P-51B, F4U-1, La-5FN, P-47D-11 are the fastest non-perked planes at low alts with military power, and the P-51B, F4U-1, La-5FN, Fw190A-8 are the fastest planes with wep. Of the five plane types, only one plane can be considered both 'fast' and 'maneuverable' (La-5FN).
The P-51B is a versatile fighter, but more limited in ammo load, firepower, and jabo capabilities. The F4U-1 is also a great plane, but it definately isn't a like the La-7 or Yak-9U, which has almost every attribute in the top class. P-47D-11, limitations are almost too clear.. and the Fw190A-8.. can also be simular to the P-47D-11.. heavy plane that needs lot of practice and effort to learn. The only plane that vaguely shadows the 'super planes' of 1944~'45, is the La-5FN... but definately easier to handle than the La-7 or the Yak-9U.
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I still think my idea's worth a try :D
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Screw the La7's.They arent all that.Ive killed enough of them to know that there only a real threat with a good pilot.Basicly the same kinda guy thats gonna kick your keester in about anything so as far as perkin it?Let the noobs keep em.:p
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I just told someone else in a different thread to STFU about the same thing, so...
STFU
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warpaw.
with a .7 to 1 kill to death ratio I dont think anyone cares much what you fly.
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You actually took the time to check his kill ratio before you replied?????:rolleyes:
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Yea I found that funny too.
Warp, welcome to the boards, welcome to the game.
I see you've been pluggin away for a couple of months and improving quite a bit by taking a "peek" myself.
First thing to learn on the boards, there is always a motive for a reply.
Pongo's if self evident. Anytime ANYONE makes reference to a posters score, one naturally checks the score of the one who replied.
Basic board stuff.
Essentially what Pongo said was "Look at my score"
And checking back over the last few months he has a good one going..
Gee Pongo that's good.
LOL
( check mine real quick before you reply )
LOL
See Warp in some ways, the board is a way to measure the size of ones genitallia.
Fortunatlly at this point in my life I pretty much use it to drain the beer..
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I dunno I must not be a score potato.I rarely EVER checked mine online unless someone in the squad said something about it.Im on sabatical at the time so I dont have one.Save your time looking ladies:rolleyes: But with in a few weeks I will be back in the game and STILL not giving a rats bellybutton what anyone elses let alone mine is.Ya get wrapped up in the score you miss the point.I will dive into a 5 on 1 squadie in deep doo doo or even a fellow green guy because I really dont care if I survive.I like letting em know I was there.Even at the cost of life cause its not a noodle measurment thing.The score potatos have no balls to speak of so I will stick with my normal 300 to 400 ranking and be happy knowing I never hung anyone out in pursuit of the holy perk points.Life is good:p
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I don't really think Pongo was saying "gee, look at my score". I think he was saying exactly what he said, which is if the guy only maintains a .7 to 1 ratio in the La-7, nobody is going to much care if he flies it.
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Sorry nopoop. Is the score thing a sore spot for ya?
Took you half an hour to type that and me 20 seconds to check his score.
Maybe haveing never fought him I wanted to get some idea exactly how successful he is in "taking advantage" of the la7 as he put it.
You guys are sure sensitive about the score thing. Is it suddenly evil to look at a guys score when he offers an opinion on an aircraft? I didnt look at his rank or anything just how efective he is in fighters and in the la7.
Maybe you should tell HT to take down the score page! Its evil.
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Im not score sensitive.I wish HT WOULD take down the score page and not score at all.Since they implemented the score potato of the month award,do any of you guys ever stop to think how long that hi fellow green guy is going to think about diveing down to help you on a 3 on 1 when he has a 5 kill streak going? I think that little deal is gonna cause hard feelings somewhere down the line.Hes of course gonna tell ya hes on fumes or has no ammo while hes fully loaded both ways looking for a vulchfest.Thats also when I started to consider leaving the game and then did. Pizza map and score potatoin monthly circle Jerk awards kinda turned me off.Im gonna come back just to hunt those dweebs :) :eek:
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To be perfectly honest with you, that score thing hasn't changed the way I fly fighters at all. All it means is that if I want a shot at 50 bucks, I need to play in the GVs some and capture a couple fields with goons.
As far as fighter and attack goes.... I've been scoring high in those categories since long before this contest came around, and I expect I will be long after it goes away.
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Yea same here.I never gooned troops much.Ran sups tho.I expect several people will change there flying style where 50 clams is involved.I would personaly rather roll around in pig slop than hang out a squadie tho in the hopes of landing kills.I was really only really about the score one time and that was in AOL AW.After being target of the month for the next month,I had enough of that.Aint worth the headache.Now I strive for middle of the pack and dont take it to seriously.;)
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No Pongo and Urchin the score thing has nothing to do with it actually.
You have a new guy in this game that finally got up the gumption to make his FIRST post on this board and you promptly try to make him feel like dog sh*t.
There's many ways to accomplish that, you just happened to use the score thing.
He just might never post again, which is a bad thing.
Because my ratio of posts on this board is increased by that amount..
And I tend to drone on..
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Originally posted by WarpAW
I fly the LA-7 mostly now. Been doin it for maybe a week. I agree that it's very fast and fairly maneuverable at all but severly high altitudes. I agree that it should be perked, even though I fly it regularly now. If they don't perk it. I will continue to take advantage of the situation. :D
NO!!!!
think about what the new customers of AH are missing. Don't forget that we are in "AirWarrior" syndrome.
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Wouldn't it be cool if this thread was just a troll??
Cmon Warp, tell 'em it's a troll!!
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Originally posted by DrDea
Im not score sensitive.I wish HT WOULD take down the score page and not score at all.Since they implemented the score potato of the month award,do any of you guys ever stop to think how long that hi fellow green guy is going to think about diveing down to help you on a 3 on 1 when he has a 5 kill streak going?
That was happening way before the contest started.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
NO!!!!
Don't forget that we are in "AirWarrior" syndrome.
We are?
Ack-Ack
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quote: "Since they implemented the score potato of the month award,do any of you guys ever stop to think how long that hi fellow green guy is going to think about diveing down to help you on a 3 on 1....."
I love comments like this. If one of my teammates is in a 1v3.. or whatever, and diving down to help means I'll just die too, I will not help him unless he specifically asks for a hand. There have been times where I was just plain "caught" and told teammates to "Get outta here, I'm dead anyway." so I expect the same. Somehow, people that say,"I don't care if I die, I'll jump in anyway." think they are better people. Really, I don't understand that. What makes them a better person becaue they entered the fray and got killed too?
OTOH I have the very good fortune of flying w/ a squad that is absolutely fantastic for taking care of each other. As a bonus, I've found myself flying in the area of some terrrifc non-squad pilots. Guys like Manetmp, gurge, Gryffin, skpg, nuts, and others really make it easy to survive. Nothing against nits or bish, but the rooks really have some excellent pilots. Just last night me, manetmp, gurge, and some other rooks manhandled a very numerically superior, and higher group of bad guys. Manetmp and Gurge, man those two can really get things done.
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Originally posted by nopoop
No Pongo and Urchin the score thing has nothing to do with it actually.
You have a new guy in this game that finally got up the gumption to make his FIRST post on this board and you promptly try to make him feel like dog sh*t.
There's many ways to accomplish that, you just happened to use the score thing.
He just might never post again, which is a bad thing.
Because my ratio of posts on this board is increased by that amount..
And I tend to drone on..
I dont care if he does post again. I dont care if he does fly the la7 or not. I dont care what your score ore his is.
He has an opinion that he voiced on the la7. I looked into what it was based on and responded to his post.
All the rest of this is you being an idiot.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
We are (in AirWarrior syndrome)?
Ack-Ack
yes until hitech doesnt launch AH2 in the right time
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Originally posted by Pongo
All the rest of this is you being an idiot.
Well jeez Pongo it appears it's not me that has a sore spot. Being that you don't care what he flys, what he thinks, and it wasn't a troll for the rest of us to check your score etc. etc...
Why did you post ?? What was the point ?
Seems like a completely wasted 20 seconds from this end..
I'm quite comfortable with the level of my intellegence, though I know deep down in my heart I'll never become President of the United States.
But that is my cross to bear.
I'm also comfortable with the fact that your people skills pretty much blows chunks..
I won't lose sleep over either revelation.
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Originally posted by lotech
yes until hitech doesnt launch AH2 in the right time
Oh please. I've read some moronic statements in these forums before and your last commment is no exception.
Ack-Ack
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Oh it was not my intention to make him feel bad, and I doubt it was Pongos (although I can't speak for Pongo). Like it or not, people are judgemental, when we hear someone make a claim about something we seek to find out their credentials.
For instance if Leviathn or Fester were to speak up on the matter of a certain aircraft's performance, they would be taken seriously. Why? Well, because they have a reputation as being very skilled pilots, and generally very skilled pilots know what they are talking about. However, when someone that I have never heard of speaks his mind on the matter, I feel it is quite natural to check his credentials on the matter. It isn't a matter of trying to insult anyone, at least not for me.
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My P38 does kill 37 on 1
I warn u guys if u don't perk it ill keep flying it
:rolleyes:
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Urchin I know what your saying. My point is this. There is no reason to jump on a noobie on his first post. Unless of course it's this "Lotech" kid that's trollin the boards.
He had a view based on his experience, and that's all it was. Does he have the experience for everyone to take "notice" of his views ?? Of course not.
I checked his score as soon as read his post, checked back a few months and he's been here a short time.
My reply took his time here into account.
If Beet1e goes off on one of his patented Lag whines, my replies are quite different.
We all have been around the block, do we have something to prove to a new guy having a first look here ?? I would hope not. But that's obviously not true in all cases.
Once in a great while, it ticks me off enough to say something..
Which pretty much cuts me out of Pongo's will..
I prolly wouldn't have liked what he left me anyway..
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Originally posted by nopoop
Which pretty much cuts me out of Pongo's will..
I prolly wouldn't have liked what he left me anyway..
you sure about that? you might have been able to finally change your handle to "haspoop."
:D
fwiw, la7 isn't worth perking; the only impact it has on gameplay is bringing out the whiners w/o a clue on the BBS.
;)
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I see nothing that bad about the La7 that would cause it to be perked,yes it is very fast but can be beaten.
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its only about 25mph faster than the c205 at 25k alt...c205 isnt the fastest p[lane around either
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What I love about the La-7 is the Soviet philosophy of basicness of this aircraft. this aircraft has a lightweight body (like the A6M5) and an engine that powers up like a rocket at more that 10,000 ft.
(http://www.neomega-resin.com/la7pic.jpg)
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LA7 is just a streamlined LA5FN (basically), with a smaller fuel capacity and sometimes with an extra cannon. I like it, I like flyin it, I like killin it (on the very rare occasion I get a kill), I even like dyin in it.:p
I just hate being low and tryin to outrun it. Same statement goes far all planes though, since I am always too low and too slow.
I fly 109's a lot and it seems to me that the G10 is a good match up.
What we need is a YAK 3, kick all thier butts! ( or not )
sorry its late and my fingers wont stop.....:D
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Somehow, people that say,"I don't care if I die, I'll jump in anyway." think they are better people. Really, I don't understand that. What makes them a better person becaue they entered the fray and got killed too?
A better person? I dont think so.A better team mate?Oh yea.Funny thing is Ive seen alot of the "Reset the arena.Help us over here" Types blow right past someone with 2 on them.Seems the help is always wanted on there end and never given from there end.As far as squadies.There isnt a Flying Circus member that wont dive into help a squadie regardless of the number and if you happen to have time to type ya need help,you didnt need it.
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
LA7 is just a streamlined LA5FN (basically), with a smaller fuel capacity and sometimes with an extra cannon. I like it, I like flyin it, I like killin it (on the very rare occasion I get a kill), I even like dyin in it.:p
I just hate being low and tryin to outrun it. Same statement goes far all planes though, since I am always too low and too slow.
I fly 109's a lot and it seems to me that the G10 is a good match up.
What we need is a YAK 3, kick all thier butts! ( or not )
sorry its late and my fingers wont stop.....:D
yesssss
more russian dweeb planes to come.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Well jeez Pongo it appears it's not me that has a sore spot. Being that you don't care what he flys, what he thinks, and it wasn't a troll for the rest of us to check your score etc. etc...
Why did you post ?? What was the point ?
Seems like a completely wasted 20 seconds from this end..
I'm quite comfortable with the level of my intellegence, though I know deep down in my heart I'll never become President of the United States.
But that is my cross to bear.
I'm also comfortable with the fact that your people skills pretty much blows chunks..
I won't lose sleep over either revelation.
Being an idiot doesnt rule you out of being the president of the united states.
But what are you on about now. I responded to his post using the only assessment I have available to make about his experitse on La7s.
You think that has something to do with my score. I think your reply has more to do with your score.
it can go arround and arround for a month and a thousand posts if you like. But basically your not talking about what he started the thread about. And I was. So your being an idiot making this thread about your score.
If someone has told you you are a great judge of people skills they were missleading you.
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The guy makes 1 post expecting people to believe hes a newbie.Yet he knew how to put replies in red lettering.Um.......Please raise your hand if you thought this was a serious post.Then get the whole shotgun in front of your head.Thank you for playing
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heh Drea, there are other BBS's around ya know? (Meaning, one could learn the colour coding on any of them).
Welcome to AH Warp! You now know you need a flack helmet to enter this place, we all do.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
LA-7: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
P-51D: 3 points
190D-9: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
109G-10: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points
Perking these 10 planes would shift the MA into a mid/late 1943 environment.
I still think my idea's worth a try :D
Amen!
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Originally posted by DrDea
The guy makes 1 post expecting people to believe hes a newbie.Yet he knew how to put replies in red lettering.Um.......Please raise your hand if you thought this was a serious post.Then get the whole shotgun in front of your head.Thank you for playing
If he's been on other message boards that use UBB code, he'd know how to use different colors.
Ack-Ack
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As far as the LA7 is concerned, yes it should be perked, nominally, like the F4U-C. If for no other reason than it is over-used causing alot of other planes in the set to be vurtually non-viable in the hands of the average player.
As far as the score potato talk goes. Call it what you will, call it score whoring if you like. But, this method of scoring is very thorough, these 'scores' were not pulled out of HTC's arse. They represent a best numerical estimation of someones ability to fly realistically and be successfull at the same time. Having always been an advocate of 'flying to survive' I, like Steve, have some resentment for those who dive cheerfully into a 1 on 5 in a TnB job, then spew venom because I don't drop 15k in my E-Fighter to add my death to their misery. It isn't so much about score, it's about making the game more than just an arcade game. In short, tryin' to fly with a similiar mindset to those who actually did fly in WW2, as though our very lives depended on critical decisions in combat, role-playing.
If Aces High is an Air Combat Simulation, as accurate as the current programming and harware technologies will allow, what is so friggin' criminal about flying it like the simulation it is? Being good at this game is more than just being a good stick, it's knowing when to engage, when not to engage, when to merge tight, when to extend for some slack, when to disengage, all in accordance with your plane that hop, while maintaining acute SA at all times. Just becuase some choose to ignore the tactical aspect of the game in favor of, divin' into the wasp nest hoping to ping up a few enemy before the inevitable death, doesn't make those who choose not to do so bad or evil.
One thing I have learned from my many years at these games is that regardless of cat-like reflexes, if you are successfull at downing the enemy moreso than average and die alot in the process everyone likes and respects you. On the otherhand, if you are similiarly successfull but fly in such a way as to rarely give your pelt to the enemy you will be hated and also grudgingly respected. It's just human nature, everyone wants revenge, revenge never satiated gnaws at peoples brains.
In order for this game and this genre to remain economically viable it has to appeal to a relatively broad-based niche of player. Those who view Aces High as a yank and bank arcade game are just as needed as those who pay attention and attempt to improve upon their scores every camp. Having a wide variety of styles and takes on the game make it more interesting. If we all flew to live the game would probably be very dull. If we all just wanted to TnB on the deck the monotony and pointlessness would take over. In order to keep this genre and this game alive, each player must do whatever it is that makes them enjoy spending the time, effort, and money required to compete with one another. Lambasting one another because they don't fly the way we think they should is not only arrogant but makes no sense. If doing whatever they do gives them reason to pay their 15 bucks and log on once a week, or everyday makes everyone a winner.
Zazen
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One thing I have learned from my many years at these games is that regardless of cat-like reflexes, if you are successfull at downing the enemy moreso than average and die alot in the process everyone likes and respects you. On the otherhand, if you are similiarly successfull but fly in such a way as to rarely give your pelt to the enemy you will be hated and also grudgingly respected. It's just human nature, everyone wants revenge, revenge never satiated gnaws at peoples brains.
I'll agree with that.But if you check what I wrote I wasns score potato bashing,I said they always ask for but rarely give the same. And I see 2 still think this is a serious thread.Put your hands down now.:rolleyes:
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hand down :p
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Thats one reason I looked at his score, to see how long he has been flying if at all.
People post opinions here that have never flown the game.
But I think he is serios. And I note that he is most effective when he flys the La7 .
I think it was a serios post.
If for no other reason than it is over-used causing alot of other planes in the set to be vurtually non-viable in the hands of the average player.
lol
its not nearly the most popular plane. What are you talking about.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
As far as the LA7 is concerned, yes it should be perked, nominally, like the F4U-C. If for no other reason than it is over-used causing alot of other planes in the set to be vurtually non-viable in the hands of the average player.
One thing I have learned from my many years at these games is that regardless of cat-like reflexes, if you are successfull at downing the enemy moreso than average and die alot in the process everyone likes and respects you. On the otherhand, if you are similiarly successfull but fly in such a way as to rarely give your pelt to the enemy you will be hated and also grudgingly respected. It's just human nature, everyone wants revenge, revenge never satiated gnaws at peoples brains.
Zazen
first... the chog can level a town all by itself and have enough left over to go on a mini vulchfest. not to mention it can takeoff from cv's.
second... the la7 is consistently the 4th most used fighter behind the ponyd, spit9 and niki. hardly "over used."
third... it's all about "risk-taking." imagine a 1,000 reps of this scenario:
1 v 2 co-alt... the 1 kills 1 and wounds another, and at a point where the 1 is very slow and going for the kill shot on the second, a third swoops down from on high for the cherry (and "save"). now both the 1 an dthe 3rd have 1,000 kills, while 1 has 1,000 deaths and 3 has 0 deaths. who do you think will be considered "better" and "admired" - assuming the 1 is a good little sheep and tosses out plenty of faux ?
now imagine that the 1 and the 3 meet up in the same plane; for the sake of the argument there's minimal alt advantage on either end. the 3 always, unfailingly, will run away because he has no perceived "advantage."
while your point is valid about different strokes for different folks, i guess people admire the "stand up" guy moreso than the "backstabbing" guy. it's more likely the standup guy will also do his best to help someone out, even at great risk to themselves in which they may also "die" while the "backstabber" won't help anyone out unless it's to his advantage, and if it's not, well so long sucker, fly "smarter" next time. it's the perception that such a guy only cares about his personal "score."
do you think, considering that this is a game and no one really dies, that one should be admired for only engaging when the "risk" is minimal to non-existent?
well, you put it out there, and this is pretty much why.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
As far as the LA7 is concerned, yes it should be perked, nominally, like the F4U-C. If for no other reason than it is over-used causing alot of other planes in the set to be vurtually non-viable in the hands of the average player.
As far as the score potato talk goes. Call it what you will, call it score whoring if you like. But, this method of scoring is very thorough, these 'scores' were not pulled out of HTC's arse. They represent a best numerical estimation of someones ability to fly realistically and be successfull at the same time. Having always been an advocate of 'flying to survive' I, like Steve, have some resentment for those who dive cheerfully into a 1 on 5 in a TnB job, then spew venom because I don't drop 15k in my E-Fighter to add my death to their misery. It isn't so much about score, it's about making the game more than just an arcade game. In short, tryin' to fly with a similiar mindset to those who actually did fly in WW2, as though our very lives depended on critical decisions in combat, role-playing.
If Aces High is an Air Combat Simulation, as accurate as the current programming and harware technologies will allow, what is so friggin' criminal about flying it like the simulation it is? Being good at this game is more than just being a good stick, it's knowing when to engage, when not to engage, when to merge tight, when to extend for some slack, when to disengage, all in accordance with your plane that hop, while maintaining acute SA at all times. Just becuase some choose to ignore the tactical aspect of the game in favor of, divin' into the wasp nest hoping to ping up a few enemy before the inevitable death, doesn't make those who choose not to do so bad or evil.
One thing I have learned from my many years at these games is that regardless of cat-like reflexes, if you are successfull at downing the enemy moreso than average and die alot in the process everyone likes and respects you. On the otherhand, if you are similiarly successfull but fly in such a way as to rarely give your pelt to the enemy you will be hated and also grudgingly respected. It's just human nature, everyone wants revenge, revenge never satiated gnaws at peoples brains.
In order for this game and this genre to remain economically viable it has to appeal to a relatively broad-based niche of player. Those who view Aces High as a yank and bank arcade game are just as needed as those who pay attention and attempt to improve upon their scores every camp. Having a wide variety of styles and takes on the game make it more interesting. If we all flew to live the game would probably be very dull. If we all just wanted to TnB on the deck the monotony and pointlessness would take over. In order to keep this genre and this game alive, each player must do whatever it is that makes them enjoy spending the time, effort, and money required to compete with one another. Lambasting one another because they don't fly the way we think they should is not only arrogant but makes no sense. If doing whatever they do gives them reason to pay their 15 bucks and log on once a week, or everyday makes everyone a winner.
Zazen
Excellent post!
I vary the tactics I use from tour to tour, just for variety. Some tours I'll fly fast cannon birds (Dora, Tiffie or CHog), and others slow, maneuverable fighters (FM-2, even the SBD). when I fly slow turn fighters for a tour, my stats always tank a bit due to not having the "haul ass" option.
However, regardless of what I'm flying, I won't compound someone else's error by diving into a 5 on 1 in an attempt to save the SA challanged. How many times do we encounter some guy who decides to dive in to vulch a field swarming with defenders, then reversing for another run having killed his E. More than a few of these guys start yelling for help, and bitterly complain if you don't rush to their defense. It's like the old joke, if it hurts to do that, then don't do that.
A little patience goes a long way. The single greatest way to initiate a successful attack is carefully setting up the attack. Knowing where all of the bad guys are, their alt and E is paramount. Nonetheless, a significant percentage of players never even consider what will happen 10 seconds after they roll in.
There's no doubt that anyone with a high K/D will be accused of being a cherry picker, vulch artist or some other unflattering nomenclature. Just last night, I was informed by a longtime AH player that a "high K/D usually means a lack of ACM skills"! :rolleyes:
ACM skills involve much more than the narrowly defined version some banter around as gospel. As the Japanese discovered much to their pain and suffering, aerobatic skills, patented "flip reversals" and the like are useless when you fail to detect the enemy, or the speed differential is so great that defense consists of avoidence maneuvering. Ultimately, stealth more than any other factor determines the winner. Virtually every successful fighter pilot in WWII relied upon sneaking up undetected, or taking advantage of a distraction to kill the enemy aircraft.
Of course, there's always some huckleberry who doesn't grasp that the smart pilot flies his aircraft to its strengths, not to the strengths of the enemy aircraft. A typical example can be represented by a Typhoon blasting through a horde of N1K2s and Spitfires, vaporizing several. Next, we see the horde following the Tiffie, demanding in the text buffer that he come back and fight like a man..... :p These are usually the same guys who announce on vox that, "something just killed me!" :eek: Statements like that are a badge stating, "I have no clue about what's going on around me."
ACM skills are important. However, SA is vastly more important. New pilots should concentrate on developing their SA, and then focus on gunnery, finally working on their ACM.
My regards,
Widewing
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Good post Widewing, miss you around on the boards...
but..
Being a member of good stead of the "rolleyes" haters club ( who's membership is growing daily ) I'd be shirking my duties if I weren't to bestow the following...
FOR THE UNAUTHORIZED USE OF ROLLEYES
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Kweassa, your idea is, IMO, more than worth a try, I would add more perks to these birds:
LA-7: 12 points
TYPHOON: 10 points
YAK9-U: 15 points
P-51D: 10 points
190D-9: 10 points
F4U-1D: 6 points
109G-10: 10 points
P-38L: 10 points
N1K2-J: 10 points
P-47D-30: 6 points
But surelly spitIX and V would count 70% of the deaths in MA.
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Ah..and the difference between a 1-D and a -1 is ??
And it commands a difference in perk value of +6 points ??
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I do not agree with the perk assignments to more planes. I am not sure I even agree with the ones now! :D
How can a new pilot fly if he or she is left to a selection of 2 or 3 planes and almost no other options. MANDOBLE, you didnt start this, I am speaking in general terms. Certainly, perk planes and vehicles have their place. However, let us not forget our beginnings in Aces High too. Since the Beta, the SIM has grown exponentially. Good things and bad things have occured. Growing pains are part of the expansion efforts being undertaken even now. Don't leave out the new folks, they are an integral part of our existance. Think about what you are asking..then think back on your early performance too. How soon could you afford to fly a NIKI if it was perked? A month.....that would truly suck. Just my honest opinion.
Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Kweassa, your idea is, IMO, more than worth a try, I would add more perks to these birds:
LA-7: 12 points
TYPHOON: 10 points
YAK9-U: 15 points
P-51D: 10 points
190D-9: 10 points
F4U-1D: 6 points
109G-10: 10 points
P-38L: 10 points
N1K2-J: 10 points
P-47D-30: 6 points
But surelly spitIX and V would count 70% of the deaths in MA.
K-KEN
http://www.cutthroats.com/
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Originally posted by K-KEN
IHow can a new pilot fly if he or she is left to a selection of 2 or 3 planes and almost no other options. K-KEN
2 or 3 planes?
C202
C205
Fw190A5
Fw190A8
Fw190F8
SpitIX
SpitV
Spit1a
Seafire
109E
109F
109G2
109G6
La5
Yak9T
F4U1
P47D25
P47D11
A6M2
A6M5
F4F4
FM2
P40E
P30B
Ki61
110G2
110C
P51B
Hurri Mk1
Hurri Mk2C
Hurri Mk2D
F6F5
I count 32 options, not 2 or 3.
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Perk the me262 .