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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on April 20, 2003, 12:23:24 AM
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Viewing a BBC broadcast from Iraq while out of town, it struck me how biased these people are. They seemed to be reporting only the negative stories they could find, like the Baghdad zoo or the looted museum.
It reminded me of a BBC report from Jenin about an Israeli "massacre" in Jenin.
I looked up the report. Here is a professor on sight in Jenin stateing that, although no bodies have been found, there is growing evidense of a massacre. Here are his quotes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1937048.stm
"I must say that the evidence before us at the moment doesn't lead us to believe that the allegations are anything other than truthful and that therefore there are large numbers of civilian dead underneath these bulldozed and bombed ruins that we see."
Evidence? No evidence other than that the allegations are true. What fine reporting.
Derrick Pounder: Evidence of a massacre
He said: "The truth will come out, as it has come out in Bosnia and Kosovo, as it has in other places where we've had these kinds of allegations."
Yeah, the truth came out alright, but not the truth this guy wanted.
He said post mortems on two bodies had "given cause for suspicion" and there was "extensive damage" to Jenin.
well there you have it, BBC at it's best. Post motemem on 2 bodies is positive proof of a massacre and "extensive damage to Jenin" ....that's a given.
BBC is not biased in any way.[URL]
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The only things that are biased are the vacume tubes you war-mongers live in.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
The only things that are biased are the vacume tubes you war-mongers live in.
I view trerrorists and states that support them as war mongers living in a vacume, not us.
I believe that natioins, extremists groups and terrorists that chant and wish "death to America" are the war mongers living in a vacume.
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You used "I" twice in two sentences.."I" rest my voltage meter.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
You used "I" twice in two sentences.."I" rest my voltage meter.
Good come back considering your limited (compressed) options.
Maybe what you meant to say was that "I" was used to begin two consecutive sentences. I am sorry but
I have a dream:
I have a dream, that no BBS user will have to live in fear of the grammer police
I have a dream, a BBS user will someday be judged not by the context of there characters ( letters for the slow) but by the contents of their messages.
.....
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You are rediculous Nukem.
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Wars have been based on less and your point?
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better the BBC than Foxnews
Tronsky
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and least theyve gotten over the americans take bagdahd...people happy thing your news storys keep on droning about...if you ask me all the news services paying to close attention to the war are ridiculous (HOW COME I CAN SPELL THAT AND YOU CANT???) or biased or both
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Now.. if you could only spell baghdad....
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Originally posted by vorticon
and least theyve gotten over the americans take bagdahd...people happy thing your news storys keep on droning about...if you ask me all the news services paying to close attention to the war are ridiculous (HOW COME I CAN SPELL THAT AND YOU CANT???) or biased or both
What do you mean by "your news" ? Do you have access to some secret news service that no one esle has? I love it when people say Americans receive only limited news services and then imply that they get the "real" news.
Americans citizens have access to more news sources than most countries citizens have
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Originally posted by vorticon
and least theyve gotten over the americans take bagdahd...people happy thing your news storys keep on droning about...
Gotta love it. Cruise into town with M-1's, point the main guns at the crowd and say (think Jack Nicholson voice) "Ain't ya glad ta see us? Smile for the cameras!!"
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by your i mean you americans news...and yes you do have access to more news sources than us...including the national enquirer and cnn
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Not to wade in on one side or another here.....
I had heard an American broadcaster state that some news clips aired in Europe were subtitled with coments allegedly different from what the person on the tape actually said. The ones in the story were video of troops (American) in action or guarding a position. The subtitles in the home language of the audience indicated the soldiers were saying things such as they liked shooting iraqi's or were hoping they could shoot some more. Have any of our foriegn postes here seen anything like that?? It would mean you'd have to understand the sound track and English but that shouldn't be any problem for those on this bbs.
I am not being sarcastic here, I'd just like confirmation one way or the other and it would go a ways in explaining the differing view points of soem of the European country's if they were in fact getting slanted news like this. Just curious as I don't have access to foriegn new sources or fluency in another language. I guess I'd have to trust your honesty in any replies. :eek: ;)
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As long as we are on a corekt speling kik, it is v-a-c-u-u-m
at leest thats the way we spel it in murica.
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Who put the English subtitles on the clips, Maverick?
The BBC has never shown a report of that kind, as far as I know.
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Wasn't english subtitles. It was french subtitles according the the report I'd heard. The broadcast was supposed to have been for the french audience, that was why I was asking.
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there's negative news and positive news
negative news sells better .. human nature
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Maverick while what you describe is possible it's highly unlikely, even for the French. Many people in Europe speak English, subtitles that differ markedly from what is being said would be noticed quickly. If it happened at all it was likely to be a localised station. That sounds like a bit of paranoia on the part of the American broadcaster, no doubt with his own agenda. Few people in Europe can really genuinely believe that American soldiers are some sort of cold blooded killers. We've been exposed to enough American culture to know the truth.
It is certainly not something the BBC would do. Everybody and I mean everybody has accused the BBC of bias at some point or other. Which probably means they are doing their job quite well.
I think perhaps the difference between American and European broadcasters is that the Europeans feel no constraint on airing stuff that reflects on US troops negatively or in fact their own troops as well. Even the most liberal American stations would be reluctant to air anything like that.
An A10 attacked a British unit, making two passes, killing one soldier. This got a lot of coverage, particularly an interview with a wounded Brit who called the A10 pilot a cowboy. That plus the downing of the Tornado stirred up some annoyance. Did you see any of that on American TV?
Maybe the French media had more of an anti American slant but that's all part of the rather amusing war of words going on at the moment.
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CPXXX,
That is why I brought it up. I know that there are more biligual folks overseas than in the US so I thought it would be rather obvious to do this but I had to ask to make sure. It would go a ways in explaining the antipathy towards America from some Euro areas however. That is why I wanted to get an other opinion from someone who would be in position to see a newscast like that.
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Perhaps it's obvious but then perhaps it's not. Try and remember my Transatlantic friends that Europe is not some sort of monolithic whole, like, well America or the Arab world. It's a whole lot of countries each with their own culture, language and view of the world. Sometimes there are different languages and cultures within a border, like Spain, with Basques and Catalans. In Italy some older people Southerners describe Northerners as foreigners. Belgium has two languages, Switzeraland has four. Germans are very conscious of the regions, Bavaria, Saxony etc.I won't even mention the Irish question, ooops I did. Britain has three countries. It goes on. They all have their own TV and political systems and varying views of America.
Don't make the mistake of thinking what the French say goes in Spain or what the British say goes anywhere. Indeed the British and Irish still tend to think of Europe as being over there much like Americans do.
Everybody in Europe doesn't think the same about any topic except perhaps having the freedom to express an opinion. The EU may purport to be a United Europe but really it's just of stopping us fighting each other again.
So don't generalise.
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Originally posted by Eagler
there's negative news and positive news
negative news sells better .. human nature
A pearl of wisdom.
(not hironic here)
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My parents were in France on vacation. While in Paris, they could not get BBC or CNN in their hotel - they were blacked out. Nice censorship!
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Originally posted by Makofan
My parents were in France on vacation. While in Paris, they could not get BBC or CNN in their hotel - they were blacked out. Nice censorship!
Did they chose a hotel with satellite channel ?
If yes which satellite channel with what options ?