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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on April 20, 2003, 11:07:31 AM
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I love it when someone says that Americans receive only limited news (CNN) while implying that they get the "real" news.
Americans probably have access to more news sources than any other people.
Is there a secret news source that I am not aware of ?
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of course, but it is secret, we can't tell you about it.
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In my hundreds of channels of Adelphia programing the only news networks I get are CNN, some BBC, and a lot of FOX. I get the feeling something is being shoved down my mind when I try to get informed watching TV.
Last month when I visited the Dominican Republic, there also were some nice Spanish, French, and mediterranean news channels. None of that extremist crap, just news.
It sure is nice being able to see the news from all sorts of different perpectives. CNN feels to propagandish at times, and FOX is a parody of real news. Its the american equivalent of Iraqui propaganda TV.
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Originally posted by Animal
In my hundreds of channels of Adelphia programing the only news networks I get are CNN, some BBC, and a lot of FOX. I get the feeling something is being shoved down my mind when I try to get informed watching TV.
Last month when I visited the Dominican Republic, there also were some nice Spanish, French, and mediterranean news channels. None of that extremist crap, just news.
It sure is nice being able to see the news from all sorts of different perpectives. CNN feels to propagandish at times, and FOX is a parody of real news. Its the american equivalent of Iraqui propaganda TV.
Is PR in America?
So when you see Spanish, French and DR news, you are able to determine that it is "just news" and not "extremest crap?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Is PR in America?
Sad to see lack of education is still such a prevalent problem.
(http://www.alienvisuals.com/daedalus/namerica3.gif)
So when you see Spanish, French and DR news, you are able to determine that it is "just news" and not "extremest crap?
Yes.
Cant you?
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Animal I fail to see the point that your map is supposed to illustrate.
I stated that Americans have access to more news than most other countries. You are not American.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Animal I fail to see the point that your map is supposed to illustrate.
I stated that Americans have access to more news than most other countries. You are not American.
You asked if Puerto Rico was in America, I showed you a map of America so you could educate yourself.
I'm not an American?
Lets see here. I was born in America. My parents were born in America. I live in America. Not only that, but I have a US citizenship and passport.
Again, education in the US is in sad shape :(
Oh, and your statement about Americans having more news sources, that is just ignorant.
In the DR, for example, they have all the news channels we have (fox, nbc, cnn, bbc) plus a bunch of other news channels I certainly dont get on Adelphia or DirectTV. They also have broadband access to the internet.
I'd say they have more access to news than the average person in the USA.
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Originally posted by Animal
You asked if Puerto Rico was in America, I showed you a map of America so you could educate yourself.
I'm not an American?
Lets see here. I was born in America. My parents were born in America. I live in America. Not only that, but I have a US citizenship and passport.
Again, education in the US is in sad shape :(
PR is not part of of the US as much as you wish it was.
Plus, your map shows PR as a dot without color because it's so small
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Originally posted by NUKE
PR is not part of of the US as much as you wish it was.
LOL, you are wrong in so many levels.
Really, are you this ignorant, or is it just a character?
Originally posted by NUKE
Plus, your map shows PR as a dot without color because it's so small
So?
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Originally posted by Animal
LOL, you are wrong in so many levels.
Really, are you this ignorant, or is it just a character?
Is PR a US state? Thus, PR is not a part of the US ( United Sates)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Plus, your map shows PR as a dot without color because it's so small
Yeah, so there Animal, take that.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Is PR a US state?
What does that have anything to do with the original arguement?
NUKE, I'm sorry but I dont have the time to educate you. Please do your own research before you participate in this kind of discussion.
Or dont, and remain being stupid and an embarassment to other Americans.
Thus, PR is not a part of the US ( United Sates)
LMAO!!!
Is this guy for real???
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Originally posted by Animal
So?
SO? What do the colors represent on the map? If the colors represent something and one cannot determine the color of PR, what is the point of the map?
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Originally posted by NUKE
SO? What do the colors represent on the map? If the colors represent something and one cannot determine the color of PR, what is the point of the map?
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You are too smart for me NUKE.
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Originally posted by Animal
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You are too smart for me NUKE.
I guess I am.
You post a map that means nothing while trying to claim that PR is part of the United States.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I love it when someone says that Americans receive only limited news (CNN) while implying that they get the "real" news.
Americans probably have access to more news sources than any other people.
Is there a secret news source that I am not aware of ?
Actually, if you know where to look, you can get some decent "alternate perspective" news in the US. I have Adelphia and have caught some European and MiddleEastern news shows on Cspan and PBS. Much better than Fox, Cnn, and MSNBC who appear to be in a talking heads cheerleading competition.
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Technically speaking, everybody from Canadians to Argentines can claim to be 'American' as all live on (or near) American continents. (The Americas) Although the citizens of the United States of America have adopted the term 'American' due to convenience over 'United Statesian'.
Puerto Rico has been a territory of the USA (like Guam is) since the Spanish American War. About the same time Hawaii became a territory if memory serves.
Puerto Ricans are indeed American on 2 counts.
There are Puerto Ricans lobbying for statehood, others for independance, others for continued territory status.
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5 stars!!!
I'm voting this thread 5 stars. :D
This has the potential to be The Thread of The Year.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Technically speaking, everybody from Canadians to Argentines can claim to be 'American' as all live on (or near) American continents. (The Americas) Although the citizens of the United States of America have adopted the term 'American' due to convenience over 'United Statesian'.
Puerto Rico has been a territory of the USA (like Guam is) since the Spanish American War. About the same time Hawaii became a territory if memory serves.
Puerto Ricans are indeed American on 2 counts.
There are Puerto Ricans lobbying for statehood, others for independance, others for continued territory status.
Hawaii is a US state, PR is not and has voted not to become a US state. PR is not a US state.
When one mentions "Americans" or "death to America" who do you think they are refering to?
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I agree with you that 'Death to America' means the USA, but PR is a territory, with citizens and everything. They just haven't decided whether to become a state.
When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, or Attacked Attu Island, they were attacking America, even though Alaska and Hawaii were but territories, ans not official states.
Argue against that.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I agree with you that 'Death to America' means the USA, but PR is a territory, with citizens and everything. They just haven't decided whether to become a state.
When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, or Attacked Attu Island, they were attacking America, even though Alaska and Hawaii were but territories, ans not official states.
Argue against that.
When Japan Bombed the US fleet in Hawaii it was an act of war against the US. If the US fleet had been anywhere else, it would still be an attack on the US fleet and an act of war.
Is that a good argument?
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Nuke, please don't attempt to debate when you don't know what you're talking about. Go educate yourself first man.
Interesting Facts:
The term "United States" when used in a geographical sense on official documents, acts and/or laws; includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
The U.S. has twelve unincorporated territories, also known as possessions, and two commonwealths. The major possessions are American Samoa, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. All of these have a non-voting representative in the U.S. Congress. The major commonwealths are Puerto Rico and the Northern Marianas. Commonwealths have their own constitutions and greater autonomy than possessions, and Guam is currently in the process of moving from the status of unincorporated territory to commonwealth. The residents of all of these places are full U.S. citizens, with the exception of those on American Samoa who are U.S. nationals, but not citizens. (U.S. Commonwealths/Territories: American Samao, Baker Island, Howland Island, Guam, Jarvis Island, Kingman Reef, Midway Islands, Navassa Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Palmyra Atoll, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands (St. Croix, St. John and St. Thomas), and Wake Island).
Puerto Rico has its own Olympic team and competes in the Miss Universe pageant as an independent nation.
Comes from: http://welcome.topuertorico.org/government.shtml
They are as much a part of the United States as anyone from the main land. Just wish I lived there and didn't have to pay FIC. ;)
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Originally posted by NUKE
When Japan Bombed the US fleet in Hawaii it was an act of war against the US. If the US fleet had been anywhere else, it would still be an attack on the US fleet and an act of war.
Is that a good argument?
So if Japan had just bombed Pearl Harbor and cities in Hawaii, but not the fleet, it would not have been an act of war against the US?
BTW, good job derailing your own thread.
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Originally posted by Sundiver
Nuke, please don't attempt to debate when you don't know what you're talking about. Go educate yourself first man.
Interesting Facts:
The term "United States" when used in a geographical sense on official documents, acts and/or laws; includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.
The U.S. has twelve unincorporated territories, also known as possessions, and two commonwealths. The major possessions are American Samoa, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. All of these have a non-voting representative in the U.S. Congress. The major commonwealths are Puerto Rico and the Northern Marianas. Commonwealths have their own constitutions and greater autonomy than possessions, and Guam is currently in the process of moving from the status of unincorporated territory to commonwealth. The residents of all of these places are full U.S. citizens, with the exception of those on American Samoa who are U.S. nationals, but not citizens. (U.S. Commonwealths/Territories: American Samao, Baker Island, Howland Island, Guam, Jarvis Island, Kingman Reef, Midway Islands, Navassa Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Palmyra Atoll, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands (St. Croix, St. John and St. Thomas), and Wake Island).
Puerto Rico has its own Olympic team and competes in the Miss Universe pageant as an independent nation.
Comes from: http://welcome.topuertorico.org/government.shtml
They are as much a part of the United States as anyone from the main land. Just wish I lived there and didn't have to pay FIC. ;)
Only residents of the US can vote and are considered full citizens, Why don't you educate yourself.
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Originally posted by NUKE
When Japan Bombed the US fleet in Hawaii it was an act of war against the US. If the US fleet had been anywhere else, it would still be an attack on the US fleet and an act of war.
Is that a good argument?
What about Alaska? What did they have against Alaska?
And it is an excellent argument.
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Keep going Nuke, don't give in! You look smarter with each post.
SOB
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
What about Alaska? What did they have against Alaska?
And it is an excellent argument.
Im pretty sure that the attack on the US fleet at Pearl Harbor brought the US into the war, but the attack of US forces in the Alaskan islands would still be an act of war.
What if US forces where attacked in Kuwait.....does it matter where are forces are attacked?
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"Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan." FDR
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The simple fact is that US citizens have access to as much or more news sources than the residents of most other countries have.
That was the original point of my post.
and PR is not a US state.
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Now wait, Nuke..why would an attack on Alaska in the 40's be an act of war? Alaskans weren't US citizens then according to you.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
"Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan." FDR
Thats right, the US was attacked. If the US fleet had been in Russia, the US would have been attacked all the same.
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Originally posted by Sundiver
Now wait, Nuke..why would an attack on Alaska in the 40's be an act of war? Alaskans weren't US citizens then according to you.
we had US forces there and they were attacked.
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PR is not a state, neither is Washington DC, but I'm pretty sure it is part of the USA.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I love it when someone says that Americans receive only limited news (CNN) while implying that they get the "real" news.
Americans probably have access to more news sources than any other people.
Is there a secret news source that I am not aware of ?
its no secret.
read on (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375714499/qid=1050862545/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-6559073-4477744?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)
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Did i allready tell u the Story of the Wal Mart Dude who asked me what part of America Germany is ? :D :D
Hehe i couldnt resist
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Did i allready tell u the Story of the Wal Mart Dude who asked me what part of America Germany is ? :D :D
Hehe i couldnt resist
Germany is somewhere near Leavenworth Washington. They have beer, pretzels, strudel, lederhosen, it gotta be close to there.
On the original thread intent...
On my cable, I have CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, MSNBC, CBC, then there is always the internet.... How many friggin' news sources does one need?
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Originally posted by NUKE
PR is not part of of the US as much as you wish it was.
Did'nt they call you Spicoli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High?
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I disagree with the whole premise of this argument. I personally think Americans are on the cutting edge of accurate news. Ours being one of the richest nations on this planet combined with the fact that our news is not state-controlled like so many nations, means we have excellent access to a variety of sources around the world. Be it an array of cable channels, satellite dishes and radio programs, I think we can do pretty well. Heck, I get several foreign language news channels as well as specific topic news programs. As for our seeking the truth, I think Americans do well there too and again, we have great access to a myriad of media.
And also, Puerto Rico sucks. I was there in the mid-80's and remember being on a tour bus through a university and the students seeing us and yelling out "Americans go home!" Yeah, they feel real American there.
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Originally posted by Puke
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And also, Puerto Rico sucks. I was there in the mid-80's and remember being on a tour bus through a university and the students seeing us and yelling out "Americans go home!" Yeah, they feel real American there.
LOL, yeah, because that crappy university is representative of our whole country, right?
Just like Columbine and the rest of your public schools, and many of the colleges I have seen in California, where kids wear comunist attire and shun their own country. Back at you.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Technically speaking, everybody from Canadians to Argentines can claim to be 'American' as all live on (or near) American continents. (The Americas) Although the citizens of the United States of America have adopted the term 'American' due to convenience over 'United Statesian'.
Puerto Rico has been a territory of the USA (like Guam is) since the Spanish American War. About the same time Hawaii became a territory if memory serves.
Puerto Ricans are indeed American on 2 counts.
There are Puerto Ricans lobbying for statehood, others for independance, others for continued territory status.
If we give PR statehood it would be a Huge welfare state. I hope it does not happen.
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Originally posted by Animal
Just like Columbine and the rest of your public schools, and many of the colleges I have seen in California, where kids wear comunist attire and shun their own country. Back at you.
I thought you were part of the US? Why would you say "your" public schools?
What is communists attire?
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Originally posted by X2Lee
If we give PR statehood it would be a Huge welfare state. I hope it does not happen.
Have any data to back this statement? Really, I'd like to see it.
Originally posted by NUKE
I thought you were part of the US? Why would you say "your" public schools?
What is communists attire?
Even though we are part of the US, our education system is run differently and is not part of US public education. Therefore, when I say "your" I am refering to your specific school system.
Comunist attire = red stars, Che Guevara images, listening to 'Rage Against the Machine', and sporting Anti-US/Anti-Capitalism logos.
Really NUKE, keep replying. Smarter with every post.
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Puerto Rico is part of the USA. Puerto Ricans have US citizenship - what more is there to it? They are, whether they want it or not, americans at this time...
What an amazing thread....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Puerto Rico is part of the USA. Puerto Ricans have US citizenship - what more is there to it? They are, whether they want it or not, americans at this time...
What an amazing thread....
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Yeah, Puerto Rico is the same as the US.
They just have their own constitution, don't pay federal income tax, can't vote in presidential elections, have no senators, and have their own Olympic team and compete as an independent nation.
They also voted not to become a US state. They have an internal self government.
Puerto Rico is a commonwealth and not a state in the union. To say that Puerto Rico is controled by the US is more accurate than saying Puerto Rico is the same as a US state. There is not really a clear definition of Puerto Rico's status and it's compact with the US.
Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth in association with the United States.
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LOL, yeah, because that crappy university is representative of our whole country, right?
No, only your educated.
The point of that was that the people of PR cannot feel all that part of the USA if they screech out "Americans go home." PR is a protectorate, and that's about it to me. It certainly didn't feel like a visit to Arizona, Texas or even Hawaii when I was there but most definitely a foreign country. I wasn't making a comparison as to educational systems, but I guess due to your being overly defensive, you wish to make that leap. It was strictly a comment as to how "American" the people of Puerto Rico feel. And if you think the tragedy at Columbine has anything to do with the educational system in the USA, then your logic is silly. Just like the USA, I'm guessing PR has its low performing schools and its more affluent schools...based mostly on economics. Just like the USA, some children in PR have troubles and others do not. But what happened at Columbine has nothing to do with how American kids feel, kids shunning their own country, the performance of the educational system or their attire and absolutely nothing with how many sources of news we have here in the USA. And again on that point, since our nation is very affluent when compared to most other nations, per capita, we have the ability to seek out a variety of news organizations and articles than a great, great majority of the rest of the world. And we are free to make peaceful dissent against policies or a particular administration.
Pongo, I clicked your link... not Chomsky! He's a clown anytime he talks about the Vietnam War. And I know. Anyway, we (the USA) have access to his articles, so this just proves the point that we have a great many avenues for news and thought. Which is what this whole thread is about. I bet you that book sold more in the USA than anywhere else too. But I won't buy it based on what I know about one of the authors.
I should have my wife jump into this thread, she majored in Journalism at San Fran State. She's give you all a really good pinch that would leave a nasty bruise for purporting that journalists here are biased or controlled by the monolithic government.
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Originally posted by Puke
Pongo, I clicked your link... not Chomsky! He's a clown anytime he talks about the Vietnam War. And I know. Anyway, we (the USA) have access to his articles, so this just proves the point that we have a great many avenues for news and thought. Which is what this whole thread is about. I bet you that book sold more in the USA than anywhere else too. But I won't buy it based on what I know about one of the authors.
People like Boroda, Blitz and others seem to imply that Americans don't have access to "real" news. I'll bet Americians have access to more news than anyone else on a per ccountry basis.
A comparison betweet US and UK as an example
AM radio stations: US: 7,762 UK: 219
FM radio stations US: 5,542 UK: 431
Shortwave statons US: 18 UK: 3
TV Stations US:1500 broadcast + 9000 cable stations, UK: 228
Internet Providers US: 7,800 UK: 228
Internet Users US: 166 million UK: 33 million
Telephone Lines US: 194 million UK: 34 million
Cell Phone users: 69 million UK: 13 million
Americans have extraordinary access to a wide variety of news from around the world. To say that Americans are somehow out of touch with "real" news is rediculous to the extreme.
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Originally posted by Puke
She's give you all a really good pinch that would leave a nasty bruise for purporting that journalists here are biased or controlled by the monolithic government.
Perhaps you should read it. The book is more about biases that are inherant in the US media, because so much of it is owned by so few monolithic corporations, not government. The "propaganda model" has held up very well over past few decades.
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Originally posted by Puke
No, only your educated.
Really?
Can you tell me which of our 32 universities you visited?
Cause I also want to be educated, and it seems it can only be done in one place.
Your comment was based on your experience many years ago on a single college. I can already imagine which one it is.
By the same logic, I could say that a large chunk of the US is a bunch of borderline murderers, or anti-capitalist extremists.
Obviously this is idiotic, but, I'm using your logic.
I have visited MANY colleges in the US, and not once did I create a stereotype of the American people by what I saw in any of them. And that was not 15 years ago, its recent data.
Thankfully I dont create an image of the typical American just by reading the tripe some of you post in this BBS.
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Originally posted by Animal
LOL, yeah, because that crappy university is representative of our whole country, right?
What do you mean when you say "our whole country" ?
I thought PR is the same as the US?
Seems like the guy who says he's American and PR is part of the US sure likes to seperate the two a lot. First it's "your schools" in the US and then it's "our country" in Puerto Rico.
I do keep getting smarter....it's true! Every post!
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Originally posted by NUKE
What do you mean when you say "our whole country" ?
I thought PR is the same as the US?
I do keep getting smarter....it's true! Every post!
No reading comprehension, eh NUKE?
Didnt I already explain to you that PR education system is a different entity from the rest of the US?
I'm not going thru the trouble of explaining some Poli. Science to you so you can get a better grasp of what COMMONWEALTH means, and why PR can be correctly defined both as a country and also as part of the USA. Get your own education.
I dont even know what your point is anymore. I dont even know why you brought this whole PR thing in the first place. But keep posting, you'll get a years pass in the short bus.
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Animal,
Calm down. Point is, how "American" can a population feel when elements of that population exclaim "Americans go home!"? Even those here in the USA completely unhappy with the USA and sending mailbombs out or shooting other kids in schools or holding up a protest sign still feel American and aren't saying "Americans go home." What do murderers have anything to do with my point about just how "American" Puerto Ricans feel? Please stay on topic. At one point you were arguing the point that PR *is* a part of America and I just didn't feel it and I don't think many in Puerto Rico feel it either.
I guess you are arguing that Puerto Ricans feel "American." That's cool, but I have trouble believing that.
Thrawn, no way will I touch that book. I've wasted enough time on Chomsky. If he ever has something positive to say about the USA, please let me know cautiously 'cause it'll probably be such a shock to me that I'll go into cardiac arrest. The guy typically only criticizes and never offers answers...does he actually put forth answers in that book? I don't see a problem with individuals owning the news media.
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Originally posted by Puke
Animal,
Calm down. Point is, how "American" can a population feel when elements of that population exclaim "Americans go home!"? Even those here in the USA completely unhappy with the USA and sending mailbombs out or shooting other kids in schools or holding up a protest sign still feel American and aren't saying "Americans go home." What do murderers have anything to do with my point about just how "American" Puerto Ricans are? Please stay on topic. At one point you were arguing the point that PR *is* a part of America and I just didn't feel it.
I guess you are arguing that Puerto Ricans feel "American." That's cool, but I have trouble believing that.
Thrawn, no way will I touch that book. I've wasted enough time on Chomsky. If he ever has something positive to say about the USA, please let me know cautiously 'cause it'll probably be such a shock to me that I'll go into cardiac arrest. The guy typically only criticizes and never offers answers...does he actually put forth answers in that book?
This was never about how Puerto Ricans feel. Thats a whole different argument which could take a BUNCH of pages to cover. Very interesting subject, by the way. I have ambitions about writing a book about it in the future.
Puke, this started because of NUKE's ignorance on PR geography and politics. He didnt even know Puerto Rico was located in America. Reason why I posted a map.
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I find it hillarious how Noam Chomsky wrote a book that supposedly criticizes the attempted manufacture and shaping of public opinion. What sweet irony and hipocrisy on his part... :D
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Originally posted by Animal
This was never about how Puerto Ricans feel. Thats a whole different argument which could take a BUNCH of pages to cover. Very interesting subject, by the way. I have ambitions about writing a book about it in the future.
Puke, this started because of NUKE's ignorance on PR geography and politics. He didnt even know Puerto Rico was located in America. Reason why I posted a map.
I started a thread "Americans receive only limited and biased news" You don't have to be a genuis to figure out that by saying America and Americans I meant the USA.
How many times do you hear someone say something about America and assume it means every country in the continent?
When people say America, they usualy mean the USA. I believe when you turn on the news and see stories regarding the Americans in Iraq or the Americans in any story, you can be sure they are talking about the USA.
Puerto Rico is located in the Americas. To say PR is in America ( using the commonly understood and used meaning of the word America) is not correct.
I should have titled the thread " US Citizens Living in the 50 US states and DC receive only limited and biased news" These are the people I was refering to.
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Originally posted by NUKE
When people say America, they usualy mean the USA. I believe when you turn on the news and see stories regarding the Americans in Iraq or the Americans in any story, you can be sure they are talking about the USA.
Wow really? Then three of my friends who are currently in Iraq sporting US ARMY uniforms are not Americans? I gotta call them and tell them they are being cheated, yo!
And all your bull**** was moot in the first place. I think I posted that my cable company is ADELPHIA, same provider for Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and California. And maybe more states.
Exact same digital box.
Exact same channels.
Exact same internet connection.
So tell me, how can you get more, better news than I can?
As I posted in my initial post, when I was in the Dominican Republic, they had THE EXACT SAME NEWS CHANNELS WE HAVE, plus Spanish, French, Middle Eastern and Mediterranean news. Some of those channels where crap, but some where VERY good, specially the Spanish channel, which aired news and images hours before they first appeared on CNN (which I suspect seeks aproval from the US .gov before airing any kind of news)
Simple math would tell you they get more news than the average american.
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Originally posted by Animal
Wow really? Then three of my friends who are currently in Iraq sporting US ARMY uniforms are not Americans? I gotta call them and tell them they are being cheated, yo!
And all your bull**** was moot in the first place. I think I posted that my cable company is ADELPHIA, same provider for Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and California. And maybe more states.
Exact same digital box.
Exact same channels.
Exact same internet connection.
So tell me, how can you get more, better news than I can?
As I posted in my initial post, when I was in the Dominican Republic, they had THE EXACT SAME NEWS CHANNELS WE HAVE, plus Spanish, French, Middle Eastern and Mediterranean news. Some of those channels where crap, but some where VERY good, specially the Spanish channel, which aired news and images hours before they first appeared on CNN (which I suspect seeks aproval from the US .gov before airing any kind of news)
Simple math would tell you they get more news than the average american.
You also said the only news could find on Adelphia was CNN, some BBC and FOX, which would seem to be a big lie. Just on my 40 channel cable I get ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CSPAN-1,CSPAN-2, two CNN channels, FOX, GRABADO, BBC plus 4 local channels news programs.
If I would get a satelite dish, I could pick up tons more news programs from around the globe, yet this doesn't even begin to put a dent in the options I have for finding news : on the internet, papers, books, telephone, and other ways.
I never said I could get more or better news than you. I said Americans probably have access to more news sources than any others and I stand by that.
You do know that America ( when I say America I dont mean every country on the continent, I mean the USA) has over 1500 tv broadcast stations plus 9000 cable stations? Do you get all those stations on Aldelphia?
my cable company is ADELPHIA, same provider for Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and California. And maybe more states
Not sure about PR, but those states have more than just Aldelphia availible as providers
when I was in the Dominican Republic, they had THE EXACT SAME NEWS CHANNELS WE HAVE, plus Spanish, French, Middle Eastern
Los Angeles alone has more news chanels than that. They have Spanish, Middle Eastern, Japanese, plus a lot of different Oriental channels.
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Very interesting subject, by the way. I have ambitions about writing a book about it in the future.
I would enjoy reading it.
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interesting #'s are how many of those radio stations are owned by clearchannel. between aol time warner, fox, and clearchannel communications our media isnt that broad. hell if rupert had his way he would own at least half of our newspapers as well.
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Who would own radio stations if not corporations? What do you want, communes?
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have restrictions on how many they own like we used to. When you have only 3-4 sources controlling all the news its never a good thing. It isnt bad in america yet but if they keep allowing these mergers.........
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You're both right, and you're just arguing details, now.
PR is part of America, but when people refer to America, they are rarely including PR.
If they hadn't shut down the Black Angus, I would be all for making it a state.
Hopefully they still have Papa Joes.
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You also used to only have 3-4 stations total, Frog. Once XM/Sirrus catch up it will be more like cable, with american networks plus npr/bbc/cspan/NWI.
As to whether US citizens are Americans, well that's redikulis.
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Originally posted by Animal
Have any data to back this statement? Really, I'd like to see it.
Sure its a no brainer...
No Statehood for Caribbean Dogpatch
by Don Feder
Boston Herald
11/30/98
On Dec. 13, Puerto Ricans will cast their ballots for statehood, independence or a continuation of commonwealth status. The referendum implicitly acknowledges their right to self-determination.
But don't Americans have the same right - the right not to be saddled with an impoverished, crime-ridden island of non-English speakers as our 51st state?
An advertisement statehood proponents are running on television in San Juan assures voters that, with admission to the Union, ``we will not become blue-eyed blondes . . . Nor will we change our language and culture. With statehood, we will remain as we are.''
True enough. With statehood, Puerto Rico will still have an annual per-capita income of $8,509 - one-third the U.S. average and less than half that of Mississippi, our poorest state. The murder rate will remain 25 per 100,000, more than twice New York City's.
However, there will be some changes. Puerto Rico will send two senators and five or six representatives to Congress, to vote in lockstep with Ted Kennedy and Richard Gephardt on everything from affirmative action to taxes.
Current caps will come off federal welfare spending for the island. The average Puerto Rican family won't pay a penny in federal income taxes but could receive an Earned Income Tax Credit of $2,713 annually. Statehood will cost us an additional $3 billion a year in welfare payments alone.
Carlos Romero-Barcelo, Puerto Rico's non-voting (God be praised) delegate in the House of Representatives, candidly titled his pro-statehood book, ``Statehood Is for the Poor.''
With Puerto Rico incorporated, America would be well on its way to becoming a bilingual nation. Ask the Canadians how splendidly that works.
According to a New York Times story of May 19, 1997, ``Fully 90 percent of the island's 650,000 public school students lack basic English skills by the time they graduate.'' When the commonwealth proposed increasing the amount of English instruction, Puerto Rican teachers rioted.
Romero-Barcelo doesn't pull his punches, ``Yes, we want statehood [My comment: For purely pecuniary reasons], but neither our language nor our culture are negotiable.''
Apparently, America's language and culture are negotiable. With Puerto Rican statehood, to the problem of unassimilable immigrants we would add an unassimilable state.
Earlier this year, by a single vote, the House passed a bill fast-tracking Puerto Rican statehood. The legislation provided that if a plurality of the island's voters ever opt for statehood, Congress must vote on its admission to the Union every two years, for a decade, until it passes.
Passage came after a perfunctory debate. In the Senate, the bill died in committee.
Hot for Hispanic support, the GOP leadership, including its neutered speaker, pushed the plan - as if Mexicans in California and Cubans in Florida really give a hill of frijoles for Puerto Rican statehood.
Despite their leadership's position, better than three-quarters of House Republicans opposed the measure. Unlike his predecessor, incoming Speaker Bob Livingston is an energetic opponent of statehood.
Whatever the outcome of the referendum, Americans have a right to insist that their representatives act exclusively in the interests of the United States.
We need more non-English speakers in this country like we need more welfare recipients, higher crime rates and an alien culture - all of which we'll get with Puerto Rican statehood.
The issue is such a no-brainer that only a multiculturalist, a welfare-state Democrat or a pandering Republican could possibly support Puerto Rican statehood. That's why the island's government had to spend $200 million this year lobbying for the same.
English First, a 150,000-member organization that promotes official English, is leading the opposition to this multicultural madness. Executive Director Jim Boulet Jr. sardonically notes, ``Puerto Rico is as proud of its language and culture as the United States used to be of ours.''
In June, Puerto Ricans in New York City staged impassioned protests when a character on the sitcom ``Seinfeld'' accidentally burned a Puerto Rican flag. They had every right to be outraged.
But, let me ask you a question: If someone singed your state's flag, would you be bent out of shape? However they vote in the referendum, Puerto Ricans have a national consciousness that's incompatible with statehood.
It's hard to imagine a worse candidate for admission to the Union than this Caribbean Dogpatch.
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Originally posted by X2Lee
No Statehood for Caribbean Dogpatch
by Don Feder
Boston Herald
11/30/98
On Dec. 13, Puerto Ricans will cast their ballots for statehood, independence or a continuation of commonwealth status. The referendum implicitly acknowledges their right to self-determination.
But don't Americans have the same right - the right not to be saddled with an impoverished, crime-ridden island of non-English speakers as our 51st state?
An advertisement statehood proponents are running on television in San Juan assures voters that, with admission to the Union, ``we will not become blue-eyed blondes . . . Nor will we change our language and culture. With statehood, we will remain as we are.''
True enough. With statehood, Puerto Rico will still have an annual per-capita income of $8,509 - one-third the U.S. average and less than half that of Mississippi, our poorest state. The murder rate will remain 25 per 100,000, more than twice New York City's.
However, there will be some changes. Puerto Rico will send two senators and five or six representatives to Congress, to vote in lockstep with Ted Kennedy and Richard Gephardt on everything from affirmative action to taxes.
Current caps will come off federal welfare spending for the island. The average Puerto Rican family won't pay a penny in federal income taxes but could receive an Earned Income Tax Credit of $2,713 annually. Statehood will cost us an additional $3 billion a year in welfare payments alone.
Carlos Romero-Barcelo, Puerto Rico's non-voting (God be praised) delegate in the House of Representatives, candidly titled his pro-statehood book, ``Statehood Is for the Poor.''
With Puerto Rico incorporated, America would be well on its way to becoming a bilingual nation. Ask the Canadians how splendidly that works.
According to a New York Times story of May 19, 1997, ``Fully 90 percent of the island's 650,000 public school students lack basic English skills by the time they graduate.'' When the commonwealth proposed increasing the amount of English instruction, Puerto Rican teachers rioted.
Romero-Barcelo doesn't pull his punches, ``Yes, we want statehood [My comment: For purely pecuniary reasons], but neither our language nor our culture are negotiable.''
Apparently, America's language and culture are negotiable. With Puerto Rican statehood, to the problem of unassimilable immigrants we would add an unassimilable state.
Earlier this year, by a single vote, the House passed a bill fast-tracking Puerto Rican statehood. The legislation provided that if a plurality of the island's voters ever opt for statehood, Congress must vote on its admission to the Union every two years, for a decade, until it passes.
Passage came after a perfunctory debate. In the Senate, the bill died in committee.
Hot for Hispanic support, the GOP leadership, including its neutered speaker, pushed the plan - as if Mexicans in California and Cubans in Florida really give a hill of frijoles for Puerto Rican statehood.
Despite their leadership's position, better than three-quarters of House Republicans opposed the measure. Unlike his predecessor, incoming Speaker Bob Livingston is an energetic opponent of statehood.
Whatever the outcome of the referendum, Americans have a right to insist that their representatives act exclusively in the interests of the United States.
We need more non-English speakers in this country like we need more welfare recipients, higher crime rates and an alien culture - all of which we'll get with Puerto Rican statehood.
The issue is such a no-brainer that only a multiculturalist, a welfare-state Democrat or a pandering Republican could possibly support Puerto Rican statehood. That's why the island's government had to spend $200 million this year lobbying for the same.
English First, a 150,000-member organization that promotes official English, is leading the opposition to this multicultural madness. Executive Director Jim Boulet Jr. sardonically notes, ``Puerto Rico is as proud of its language and culture as the United States used to be of ours.''
In June, Puerto Ricans in New York City staged impassioned protests when a character on the sitcom ``Seinfeld'' accidentally burned a Puerto Rican flag. They had every right to be outraged.
But, let me ask you a question: If someone singed your state's flag, would you be bent out of shape? However they vote in the referendum, Puerto Ricans have a national consciousness that's incompatible with statehood.
It's hard to imagine a worse candidate for admission to the Union than this Caribbean Dogpatch.
LOL!!!
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Originally posted by Animal
Thankfully I dont create an image of the typical American just by reading the tripe some of you post in this BBS.
Could have fooled me.
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How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? That is the level of this discusssion about Puerto Ricans and their citizenship status.
One of the earlier posters had it right--Puerto Ricans have all the rights of citizens. They don't vote for the president because of where they live, not who they are. Puerto Ricans living in a state can vote for president. Until a few years ago, people living in the District of Columbia couldn't vote for president, either. A law fixed that.
They choose to remain a commonwealth because of some financial advantages of that status, and their pride in their identity as Puerto Ricans. At heart, I think most of them would like to be independent, but most realize that the resources aren't there to support a fully independant economy. But that's my opinion, and I am not Puerto Rican.
They don't pay federal income tax, but the commonwealth income tax is about the same rate, or it was when I lived there.
Puerto Ricans are some of the finest people you will meet. They are friendly, generous, and generally open-minded. They do have a right to their pride in their island, and you need to understand they are proud both of their identity as Puerto Ricans and their status as United States citizens. Get off their backs!
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Puke
You are correct. you have access to it wich is your point.
That book will try to prove to you that about many important issues the US media only really shows one viewpoint. That of the state department.
But like you said. Its a free country and your free to ignore or denounce that opinion.
Pretty compelling reading though.
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When I want accurate information I look to Pravda and Thrawn as both are excellent sources without bias :D
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Originally posted by Animal
LOL!!!
good comeback!
Boulet also noted that Puerto Rico has about half the wealth of the nation's poorest state, and that half the people in Puerto Rico are currently on welfare. He pointed out that statehood for Puerto Rico could, according to the General Accounting office, mean an additional annual transfer of $4 billion annually from the U.S. Treasury to Puerto Rico.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/Scoop184.html
Who needs another dependant?
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That book will try to prove to you that about many important issues the US media only really shows one viewpoint. That of the state department. - Pongo
I saw lots of clips of the Iraqi Foreign Minister lately providing his view of the war. Also, I saw lots of Al Jezera (sp?). And I saw many dissenting viewpoints about the war and administration lately.
I'm not going to read anything that includes that author. And my common sense tells me the State Department does not hold control over the media. Nor do the owners of the news organizations hold control over their editors and journalists. These are reporters, the minute they get wind of any such monolithic conspiracy of media owners, they have a story on their hands and Pulitzer Prize. In fact, there is a story going around right now about how the NY Times asked a big-wig to write some article with a purposeful negative slant on the current administration and he's singing about it. But I've seen enough of Chomsky to know just what kind of garbage that book will be and I'll pass. My time is too valuable.
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Originally posted by X2Lee
good comeback!
Boulet also noted that Puerto Rico has about half the wealth of the nation's poorest state, and that half the people in Puerto Rico are currently on welfare.
Thanks for the info! I now realize that all my studies were redikulous lies.
Boulet is a genious, and so are you.
And remember guys, if you find it on the internet its got to be true.
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Come on guys...let's make this a 100+ post thread.
You can do it :D
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anyone who doesn't belive our (the U.S.'s) media isn't biased is fooling themselves.
simply turn off the TV (I realize this is hard for some)...
and surf other nations' news websites...
problem is that a majority of Americans don't like what other nations news people have to say and debunk the reports as quickly as they read them... with no proof one way or the other.
A lot of the stuff is crap, but not all.
then again, all of the media reports are biased in one way or another... :)
that's what makes it so difficult to discern the truth
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
problem is that a majority of Americans don't like what other nations news people have to say and debunk the reports as quickly as they read them... with no proof one way or the other.
A lot of the stuff is crap, but not all.
Again...this is why I only read what Pravda, Thrawn and SLO have to say. They are all three excellent sources of information that are completely unbiased. :D
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Originally posted by NUKE
Is PR in America?
PR is actually a very large Princess Cruise ship that plys the waters of the Caribbean spreading joy and laughter to all who meet its fun little brown crewmembers.
Keep going Nuke... we're all behind ya 100%.
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This thread is so funny on so many levels.
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We all know the media is biased.... Rush has been complainin' 'bout liberal bias for years. he he
This thread is about Puerto Rico! Come on keep on track!:D
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Originally posted by Animal
Thanks for the info! I now realize that all my studies were redikulous lies.
Boulet is a genious, and so are you.
And remember guys, if you find it on the internet its got to be true.
Lol I had this opinion when they first started talking about statehood. Its true that half of PR is on welfare.
All I see is a poor island to support
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Lol I had this opinion when they first started talking about statehood. Its true that half of PR is on welfare.
All I see is a poor island to support
By some economists Puerto Rico's economy is considered somewhat fictitious. Puerto Rico has very few natural resources of economic value and its economy relies mainly on Federal Aid from the United States Government.
I understand you standing up for your country but facts are facts.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
PR is actually a very large Princess Cruise ship that plys the waters of the Caribbean spreading joy and laughter to all who meet its fun little brown crewmembers.
ROFLMAO...in the middle of this thread this comment is pure comedy.:D It's gotta be sig line material for Animal.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
PR is actually a very large Princess Cruise ship that plys the waters of the Caribbean spreading joy and laughter to all who meet its fun little brown crewmembers.
And Animal is the head Princess!
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Originally posted by NUKE
SO? What do the colors represent on the map? If the colors represent something and one cannot determine the color of PR, what is the point of the map?
Hum, I wonder if Hawaii is an American State ... last time I checked on the map it was just a black dot. Maybe it's French? After all, France is a black dot too.