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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: meddog on April 21, 2003, 12:50:07 AM
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Knights we need to fight smart and use hit and run Tactics when we are significantly out numbered. Some times the best defense is a good offense but that doesn't neccesarily mean taking bases. When you are out numbered, strategic attack missions are used to disable the enemy's abilty to wage war by killing thier barracks so they can't up troops or resupply fom that base, fuel so they can't fly very far or very high or fly gas hoging planes, and ammo so they can't bomb our fields, or CV's or GV's, Fighter Hangers so they cant up any aircraft while a solid CAP is established and GV hangers so they cant up GV's and spoil your vulch fest. You may not be able to stop the enemy from taking bases completely but you sure as heck will slow them down and force them to fight some where else. I have seen this happen many times because the USMC squad performs alot of strategic attacks. The strategies to be used to win the war changes with the battlefield conditions. Such as numbers and who has what fields etc. I know this because for 15 years in the military I studied offensive and defensive tactics. One problem I see on a regular basis with the knights is resupply or the lack there of. No one wants to stop vulching or score whoring long enough to resupply bases. Even if you pork a base during a capture, take 10-15 minutes from your steam rolling and fly defensive cover while 5 or 6 of you resupply the base. You would be surprised how fast that base comes up. Secondly, the knights need to give CV sinking a priority. Too many times without fail I've seen knights furball a carrier attack only to lose the base. The only way to stop a CV attack is to kill the CV. Plain and simple. You may be able to fend off a few waves in the beginning but eventually they will out number you and take the base.
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Although you have 15 years in the military, I watch The History Channel and "Mail Call" alot with R. Lee Ermey.
He said all Knights are queers.
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I have a better idea. How about you play the way you enjoy playing, and I'll continue playing the way I enjoy playing?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I have a better idea. How about you play the way you enjoy playing, and I'll continue playing the way I enjoy playing?
-- Todd/Leviathn
get with the program, loser!! aren't you tired of sucking like drex?
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Originally posted by meddog
Knights we need to fight smart and use hit and run Tactics when we are significantly out numbered. Some times the best defense is a good offense but that doesn't neccesarily mean taking bases. When you are out numbered, strategic attack missions are used to disable the enemy's abilty to wage war by killing thier barracks so they can't up troops or resupply fom that base, fuel so they can't fly very far or very high or fly gas hoging planes, and ammo so they can't bomb our fields, or CV's or GV's, Fighter Hangers so they cant up any aircraft while a solid CAP is established and GV hangers so they cant up GV's and spoil your vulch fest. You may not be able to stop the enemy from taking bases completely but you sure as heck will slow them down and force them to fight some where else. I have seen this happen many times because the USMC squad performs alot of strategic attacks. The startegies to be used to win the war changes with the battlefield conditions. Such as numbers and who has what fields etc. I know this because for 15 years in the military I studied offensive and defensive tactics. One problem I see on a regular basis with the knights is resupply or the lack there of. No one wants to stop vulching or score whoring long enough to resupply bases. Even if you pork a base during a capture, take 10-15 minutes from your steam rolling and fly defensive cover while 5 or 6 of you resupply the base. You would be surprised how fast that base comes up. Secondly, the knights need to give CV sinking a priority. Too many times without fail I've seen knights furball a carrier attack only to lose the base. The only way to stop a CV attack is to kill the CV. Plain and simple. You may be able to fend off a few waves in the beginning but eventually they will out number you and take the base.
im a bish and you told us your secrets:D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I have a better idea. How about you play the way you enjoy playing, and I'll continue playing the way I enjoy playing?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Yep I pay 15 to have fun. Being a knight does suck though.
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Ike2k#; lol . What secret. It doesn't do any good to guide people, show them what needs to be done when they just ignore you. There are players out there that just don't really care about capturing base or if any of their bases are being captured. In other words, they are not online to offer any real assistance or constructive teamwork to hep achieve the goals of the country they belong to. I'm sure this isn't anything new to people who have played this game for a while. Especially those who switch sides from time to time for a change of pace. But unfortunately you cant tell the seriouse player from the one who is like the soccor player who thinks its fun just to run around the field all day chasing the ball and the other players with out trying to kick the ball or score a goal.
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Originally posted by meddog
But unfortunately you cant tell the seriouse player from the one who is like the soccor player who thinks its fun just to run around the field all day chasing the ball and the other players with out trying to kick the ball or score a goal.
sure you can! all you need to do is watch for capslock and exclamation points in game, and a decided use of non-paragraphs on the bbs.
:D
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Shane if you just wnat to talk back and forthe allday may be we should set of a private line lol.
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You mean if we do all you say then we will win the hawiian vacation like the bish do?
Otherwise...your plan just looks like a way to have crappy fights.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
You mean if we do all you say then we will win the hawiian vacation like the bish do?
Otherwise...your plan just looks like a way to have crappy fights.
lazs
Yes and the new car. LOL.
I've had tons of good fights trying to disable a base inorder to slow down or stop an assualt on one of our bases. But you know, in this era of extreme liberalism, selfishness and self centeredness, when our country is down to 2,3 or 4 to1 odds you would think that the furballers would stop being so selfish minded and help the others who are actually tryng to play this game the way it was designed. when we have the numbers you can furball to your heart's content. All I'm asking is be conciderate of those who are trying to play the game.
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I don't think you know what a good fight is so your opinion is not really that important to me. jakal1 might be the guy you wanna address.
As to you being the only one who knows how the game should be played.... how it is designed to be played.... not worth a comment.
lazs
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Originally posted by Shane
get with the program, loser!! aren't you tired of sucking like drex?
I dont think that is at all possible....Drex is the suckiest suck that ever sucked.
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
As to you being the only one who knows how the game should be played.... how it is designed to be played.... not worth a comment.
Shhhh, lazs! With comments like, "Knights we need to fight smart and use hit and run Tactics when we are significantly out numbered," how could we possibly argue with him? The tactical know-how overwhelms me!
Nevermind that it's not very fun.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Meddog, I suspect you're disenchanted with Knightland performance in tactical strategy, but letme assure you that the last 7 weeks (4 in rookland and 3 in Bishland) has assured me that every country has its tactical problems, its not limited to just Knightland. And, this is a good thing as we seem to be a diverse community that has folks that pay for what they choose to do, and when they choose to do it.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Meddog, I suspect you're disenchanted with Knightland performance in tactical strategy, but letme assure you that the last 7 weeks (4 in rookland and 3 in Bishland) has assured me that every country has its tactical problems, its not limited to just Knightland. And, this is a good thing as we seem to be a diverse community that has folks that pay for what they choose to do, and when they choose to do it.
I am quite sure that all 3 countries are actually very close in terms on a team play/strat play now. You can judge it by concentration of players around furball fields and time during which fuel/troops stay up at key fields. If someone want to switch sides due to strat reasons I suggest you not to do so, you will find it all the same at the other side.
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Originally posted by Fariz
If someone want to switch sides due to strat reasons I suggest you not to do so, you will find it all the same at the other side.
Absolutely 100% correct! We've been switching lately just as a diversion and a chance to fly with those we normally battle against.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think you know what a good fight is so your opinion is not really that important to me. jakal1 might be the guy you wanna address.
As to you being the only one who knows how the game should be played.... how it is designed to be played.... not worth a comment.
lazs
Actually I do know what a good fight is . check your one of your original threads I responded to " MA strat . why always". As for me being the only one who knows how the game is played? No I'm not the only one, there are a number of us who are equally frustrated with the lack of cooperation when asked for. lol
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Ripsnort and Fariz: You guys are absolutly right. I have heard the same things from others who have transversed to the other counties for a change of pace or thinking the grass will be greener on the other side only to wallow in their disbelief that it's just as bad if not worse. Except for the numbers. The knights are pretty much screwed for the majority of the time which is why some people switch. tired of being out numbered all the time.
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Fariz where is Baku, Azerbaijan?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
letme assure you that the last 7 weeks (4 in rookland and 3 in Bishland) has assured me that every country has its tactical problems
Yeah Rip.... But I know that The Rooks are the BEST!
I agree that every country has its problems, I also know that a pilot needs to learn to roll with the punches.
Proud member of Rooks for Global Supremecy ;)
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Originally posted by meddog
Yes and the new car. LOL.
I've had tons of good fights trying to disable a base inorder to slow down or stop an assualt on one of our bases. But you know, in this era of extreme liberalism, selfishness and self centeredness, when our country is down to 2,3 or 4 to1 odds you would think that the furballers would stop being so selfish minded and help the others who are actually tryng to play this game the way it was designed. when we have the numbers you can furball to your heart's content. All I'm asking is be conciderate of those who are trying to play the game.
Here's a thought....
Some people don't have half a day to play a game day in and day out. The strat system, especialy on Trinity and AKDesert takes a long concerted effort to effect change....that's something that some of us just don't have.
When I log on to play I want to find an area where the fight is intense and sustained to support my addiction for the limited time I get to play...for the most part, the landgrab aspect of AH is at odds with the fun I crave given my limited time online.
Now, who's being selfish minded?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Absolutely 100% correct! We've been switching lately just as a diversion and a chance to fly with those we normally battle against.
One of my squads, the Hell Gods (my FL0SSY account) is due to start rotating next month..... sure to cause some confusion about which country I am flying for! :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think you know what a good fight is so your opinion is not really that important to me. jakal1 might be the guy you wanna address..
lazs
He would have to, because you have made it abundantly clear that you certainly can`t.:D You don`t participate in MA gameplay so you have no knowledge on the subject. In other words, it is your opinion that is worthless when relating to MA gameplay.
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AH generals. Nothing more useless than an AH general.
Did you know that some of the folks that play this game just wanna have some fun. Those "have fun" guys are *******s. They should be having fun on their own time.
Get this. Some of us don't care about the war. No ****. Wierd ain't it.
F.
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Meddog,
I agree it's not fun getting pushed into a corner. Seems like that's been happening to us a lot lately and it's frustrating, but such is life. Strat targets do make sense to those who like the strat part of the game.
However, I understand the other points that are being made. Leviathn & I were furballing at an airfield recently from a CV, and one guy kept hounding us to take out the fighter hangers. We wanted to furball, not do ground attack. The other guy stated several times he would kill the FH's to 'force them' (those of us wanting to furball) into attacking the city. Eventually, he suceeded in destroying the hangars, but because he was trying to force his will on us, there was no way in hell I was going to do what he asked. I know your intent is not to force anybody into anything (which is the way Grim runs the USMC), but to make a recommendation.
I wonder if there is a way to combine the fun of furballing with the strat side. It seems like when we attack strat targets, the other country usually responds by upping fighters. If this attack is kept up, usually a furball is created. Once a furball is created, strat guys could call out it's location. Any furballers interested (stress on the word interested) in joining the fight could keep the pressure on the fighters while strat guys continue to take out strat targets. In theory (and I do mean theory), everybody gets an opportunity to do what they like doing in a way that benefits both types of players. I'm sure this is just a dream, but it's fun to think about what could be.
Glove
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I think I was there that day. He complained about too many people vulching the field & no one killing city. so he killed all the FH to stop the vulch fest. He was a jerk.
Your idea is a wonderful way of incorperating strats with furballs. When I wrote my thread, I was thinking of last night when the rooks out numbered us by 50 or 60 players and steadily taking our southern bases. I would see a bunch of knights headed to a rook base & I would ask them to kill the barracks there to relieve some of the pressure off the bases that the rooks were attacking while I porked the barracks at another field. They never helped and rooks just kept taking bases. So I really wasn't cracking on the furballers like I made it seem. I just wanted a little cooperation.
I've also found my self in the situation were I start off on a 1v1 base defense and ends up being a 1v1 duel & we both kind of for get about the war and just duel until abunch of players up from 1 side or the other and ruin it. When you want help, you cant get it . when you dont want help, you get it in spades go figure. I know there are times I seem crass and I really don't mean to be.
It all depends on what frme of mind i'm in. the screwing off mode or game play mode. As a fellow squady glove fell free to correct me when I'm out of line
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Hey Meddog,
I was fighting hard in the south (rook) last night. We did have the knights out numbered.. but seperated from the bishops.
The Knights were doing pretty well down there. Fuel was porked at all front line bases, and second line also. Barracks were destroyed along the fronts also.
The Rooks did run alot of resupply and Goons from Bases several sectors back to make base captures.
Overall Id say the Landgrab game was about a draw. The knights fought well and made it a tuff fight the entire time I was flying. The Rooks were also persistant and put forth alot of effort.
Maybe your being hard on your country men, From the opposite side of the fence, The knights were doing just what you were asking for. Sorry if we Rooks did not coopperate. ;)
Say Hey to your CO, My Evil Twin, one M Grim.
Grimm (double mm)
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Knights can't read or write............
:p
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>One of my squads, the Hell Gods (my FL0SSY account) is due to start rotating next month..... sure to cause some confusion about which country I am flying for!
HEY FLOSSY! Baaaaaaaaa!!!!
AWLysol
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Our country (Knits) has alot of armchair generals obssessed with landgrabbing. When I see/hear some guy telling us what we should be doing ,it just makes me want to furball all the more.
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Originally posted by Grimm
Hey Meddog,
I was fighting hard in the south (rook) last night. We did have the knights out numbered.. but seperated from the bishops.
The Knights were doing pretty well down there. Fuel was porked at all front line bases, and second line also. Barracks were destroyed along the fronts also.
The Rooks did run alot of resupply and Goons from Bases several sectors back to make base captures.
Overall Id say the Landgrab game was about a draw. The knights fought well and made it a tuff fight the entire time I was flying. The Rooks were also persistant and put forth alot of effort.
Maybe your being hard on your country men, From the opposite side of the fence, The knights were doing just what you were asking for. Sorry if we Rooks did not coopperate. ;)
Say Hey to your CO, My Evil Twin, one M Grim.
Grimm (double mm)
Will do grimm.. I was the one porking the fuel lol:D
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Originally posted by SunKing
Our country (Knits) has alot of armchair generals obssessed with landgrabbing. When I see/hear some guy telling us what we should be doing ,it just makes me want to furball all the more.
I wasn't against furballing Sunking was was asking people to pork the barracks at some key fields they were attacking anyways to help prevent the rooks from captureing our bases because we were out numbered and I knew this would slow them down and give our bases time to rebuild. For the rooks to capture a base they would have to fly a goon from 75 to 100 miles away or more. If i'm fighting at 1 base or attacking 1 base why is it wrong for me to ask the knights for a little help or cooperation at another base?. If Im defending a Gv attack at Base A, the GV's are upping from Base B which is under knight attack, why can't I request to have the Vehicle hanger destroyed so the enemy can't reup? Is that really too much to ask, too outlandish to grant. It has nothing to do with being an armchair general. It has to do with eliminating a threat so my resources can be used else were. If I wanted to do endless tank battleing, I would just go to Tank town and be done with it.
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Hi All.. I don't post often but this one thread that gets me cranked up... I agree with some.. the grass isn't greener in other countries... I am a Rook.. I enjoy the strat of the MA.. ie..take bases and work for the reset... on the other hand, some just enjoy the furball.. I used to think that furballing was what the DA was for.. however, its attendance when I am on is always miserable...same with CT.. I don't blame the furballers at all for coming to MA to get a fight.. Hopefully AH2 will remedy this.. until then, moaning about no cooperation in the strat part of the game is useless... And yes I don't break for paragraphs.. whats the point? IMHO..this is a memo :)
RAM
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Originally posted by Silat
Knights can't read or write............
:p
Ouy tink ouy rea so smort. Soes hou letel ouy now.
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get with the program, loser!! aren't you tired of sucking like drex?
hmmm...Leviathn is the Supreme General of the Supa' Raptors. and btw, Don't ever drop him anywhere close to my name.
Drex
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Originally posted by meddog
stop being so selfish minded and help the others who are actually tryng to play this game the way it was designed. when we have the numbers you can furball to your heart's content. All I'm asking is be conciderate of those who are trying to play the game.
Screw the way it was designed to be played. I play for the atari style dogfight. I will furball to my hearts content while not paying any attention to the guys like you who want to win.
winning the war is kinda stupid all that happens is you reset and have to fight the war again! lame lame lame.
Ill furball thankyou.
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It's been so long since I've had any interest in "the war" so to speak. And as for strat, well I think that went out the window long ago (if it was ever there to start with). Given there are no real strategic targets as such, especially for bombers that seem to have no real purpose at all other then to provide easy kills.
Eventually winning the war is nothing more then organised mass raids of who ever has the most numbers, swarming a base, capture, rinse and repeat for the next map.
Rather boring imho.
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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med.. the solution is simple... you need to change countries.. there is a country that thinks "winning" the war is way better than having a good time... It is no coincidence that they fly under the dildo icon.
I would suggest that all the generals and land grabbers fly under the dildo icon.
lazs
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There are players out there that just don't really care about capturing base or if any of their bases are being captured. In other words, they are not online to offer any real assistance or constructive teamwork to hep achieve the goals of the country they belong to.
You mean the United States? I fly AH to have fun, dogfighting others in simulations of WW2 fighter planes. It's what the game does best -- its primary reason for being. I play other strategy and tactics games -- ones that offer real challenges in those areas -- for that fix. I've been known to play Civ-3 or (back in the day) DOS Empire for 14 hours straight. Sorry, although AH does a better job at strat than AW it's just not there for me yet. The"strat" in the arenas today is the gangbang steamroller that is more like tic-tac-toe, and that got boring at about age 6.
However, I will help out in offense or defense if I happen on a reasonable struggle for a base that provides good action in the process, down to escorting a c-47 or taking out a train, etc. However, the more people rant, yell or whimper the less motivated I become.
IMO playing AH for strat is like buying a Porsche for the leather interior.
Charon
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Originally posted by AWLysol
HEY FLOSSY! Baaaaaaaaa!!!!
LOL, hi AWLysol! :) Well since posting this, it seems Wax has changed his mind, so we won't be rotating after all..... :p
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Originally posted by Charon
You mean the United States?
LOL! No, he means Knights (or Bishops or Rooks)! :D
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But you know, in this era of extreme liberalism, selfishness and self centeredness, when our country is down to 2,3 or 4 to1 odds you would think that the furballers would stop being so selfish minded and help the others who are actually tryng to play this game the way it was designed.
LOL, I just caught this one. Bunch of Freakin' Clintons! :) Nice assumption. The folks at HTC sure wasted a lot of time modeling WW2 era fighters that can be flown in 3 dimensional space with realistic flight, weapon and damage models. Perhaps AH2 will be a turn-based, 2 dimensional hex-grid format like it should have been from the beginning.
Charon
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Originally posted by Drex
hmmm...Leviathn is the Supreme General of the Supa' Raptors. and btw, Don't ever drop him anywhere close to my name.
yOUR INSUBORDINATE!!!1 yOUR OUT OF THE SQUAD IF YOU KEEP IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111
-- Todd/Leviathn, CO of the 489158th Super-Raptor F/A-28s "0\/\/nZ n00bZ!"
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This reply will either help clear things up or dig my self a bigger whole by creating more controversy.
Maybe I need to explain my self requarding my original post without resulting to name calling and insults as others seem to gravitate to. I want to make this perfectly clear. I am in no way one of those people who tries to force some one to be apart of something they are not interested in participating in at that time for what ever the reason
Air Warrior, War Birds 2 & 3 were designed to be a simulated war were the objective was to win the war by captureing bases flying WWII era equipment. Aces High MA is no different. If this was not the design of the MA, then what would the purpose be for bombers, ground vehicles, captureable bases, troops, AAA, bombs, rockets, etc?
My frustration stems mostly from the knights defensive tactics when were are conciderably out numbered more so than their offensive tactics. In general, when 1 of our bases is under attack, either from GV's CV's or Fighters, The knights will just furball the IB bogies ,swatting them down like flies in the begining, only to be crushed in the end and lose the field, after having the base porked by suicide attack planes. But that's all they wanna do is furball..(i mean obviousely not everyone) Nobody, it seems, wants to go kill the CV or VH or pork the barracks, fuel or ammo or what ever to prevent the enemy from captureing the base. I have to admit, I'm not always in the mood to fly a goon or fly attack missions either. Sometimes I just wanna up a light fighterand mix it up with other fighters (furball). But when it comes down to crunch time I'm willing to help out. whether its to fly a goon, pork a base or what ever. You need players(furballers) to up planes and defend the base so others can go out and illiminate the source of the threat. Thats what a team is. Furballers do help tie up enemy resources, no doubt about that, so I believe players can furball and help out offensively or defensively as the case may be, but at the same time, they also should to be willing to help out (when help is asked)with out copping an attitude. And FYI we need players to take charge and make reccomendations as to what needs to be done to accomplish a goal. But those players get chastized and get called Arm chair generals and told to kiss off.
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The more organized the "missun" the more it is a steamroller gangbang that is no fun for anyone who enjoys air combat.. the very best fights happen between 2 close fields or the CV's... when the momentum swings or some attention starved newbie kills the FH's or something at one of the furball bases us furballers just move on... we don't care if it was our base that was finally overrun or theirs...
I sometimes am glad that we are down to 4 or 5 bases so long as they have fuel and dar so that there will be some good fights.
as charon says... the so called "strat" is for 6 year olds at best. Who cares anyway? the REAL strat in AH is..... the country with the most numbers is the best steamroller. Not exactly rocket science.
I don't care who "wins" the war and I won't lift a finger to "help" my country if it isn't fun... I will however dive into a group of five cons chasing a friendly.
The sooner people get over this "win the war" silliness the sooner we can get back to some good fights.
lazs
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oh my.....all this cause someone asked for .........cooperation:D
meddog.....I understand what ya tryin too say.
but some just don't play the same as you.....
best thing is too find a squad that likes too cooperate.....then you can play the strat game.
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Originally posted by lazs2
med.. the solution is simple... you need to change countries.. there is a country that thinks "winning" the war is way better than having a good time... It is no coincidence that they fly under the dildo icon.
I would suggest that all the generals and land grabbers fly under the dildo icon.
lazs
If we all did that, the furballers would not have any fields to launch from, thereby negating the furballer factor.
Think about it.
If you want to furball, you need a field to do it from. If we're down to 3 fields, your never gonna get wheels up without getting vulched by 20 Kill starved vulchers.
Meddog-
You're never going to convince the instant action crowd. Don't bother, it's been tried before and no one has ever succeded.
The furballers are going to their thing, and never pay any mind to what the "Icon" needs. They pay their money, and it's their right.
The strats will continue to be frustrated until they find that out of 100 knights on, they have 40-60 players who want to play for the team. Those are the ones you direct you attention to, and leave the furballers to do their thing.
You'll see plenty of cooperation tonight within the knights.
Don't kill yourself about this. I know your frustrated. So am I. I get tired of logging in and seeing a red map. Prehaps AH2 will be the fix.
And I must admit, when time is short, I'll look for the quickest, least strategic fight, just to get my fix.
Put up missions, and you'll see who are the strats and who are not.
Good Luck.
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Originally posted by meddog
Air Warrior, War Birds 2 & 3 were designed to be a simulated war were the objective was to win the war by captureing bases flying WWII era equipment. Aces High MA is no different. If this was not the design of the MA, then what would the purpose be for bombers, ground vehicles, captureable bases, troops, AAA, bombs, rockets, etc?
There was no "win the war" in AW. Some fields weren't even capturable, iirc. It was all about pilots and fighting. Aces High is different. Personally, I like to shoot all the other stuff you mentioned too--PT boats and rockets and tank guns and a FP at hi speed can be a blast. I'll join a mission occasionally if it looks well thought out and has a good plane set. Or up 6 times to kill a spawn camper or constantly up zeros or hurris at a capped field. I fly Knight but I'm not concerned w/ "winning" --to me it's nothing more than a terrain change. Protecting a wingie is more important than the screaming CAPS of the generalz.
Point is, our goals are not yours. Until you recognize this, your frustration will likely continue. We play a different game with different priorities so please don't take it personally when you or other generalz are ignored.
Horn
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yOUR INSUBORDINATE!!!1 yOUR OUT OF THE SQUAD IF YOU KEEP IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oops, sorry sir!
Drex
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AH didnt used to be focussed on the pure land grab. With the influx of new players that basically suck in fighters the only way they can "contribute" or rationalize the 15 bucks a month is by "winning the war".
They used to just become "fluffers" Now they are arm chair generals who are just waiting to lead us to victory if we would just let umm.
They whole land grab, strat aspect of the main is just silly.
The land grab is there to facilitate a2a combat. Not the other way around. The whole mind set around war winning is what produces the pork auger guy or the enmass suicide jabos.
If your idea of fun is blowing up undefended buildings then have at it. Just dont demand others cater to your style of "fun".
Some folks just want a few good fights......
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Originally posted by meddog
This reply will either help clear things up or dig my self a bigger whole by creating more controversy.
Maybe I need to explain my self requarding my original post without resulting to name calling and insults as others seem to gravitate to. I want to make this perfectly clear. I am in no way one of those people who tries to force some one to be apart of something they are not interested in participating in at that time for what ever the reason
Air Warrior, War Birds 2 & 3 were designed to be a simulated war were the objective was to win the war by captureing bases flying WWII era equipment. Aces High MA is no different. If this was not the design of the MA, then what would the purpose be for bombers, ground vehicles, captureable bases, troops, AAA, bombs, rockets, etc?
My frustration stems mostly from the knights defensive tactics when were are conciderably out numbered more so than their offensive tactics. In general, when 1 of our bases is under attack, either from GV's CV's or Fighters, The knights will just furball the IB bogies ,swatting them down like flies in the begining, only to be crushed in the end and lose the field, after having the base porked by suicide attack planes. But that's all they wanna do is furball..(i mean obviousely not everyone) Nobody, it seems, wants to go kill the CV or VH or pork the barracks, fuel or ammo or what ever to prevent the enemy from captureing the base. I have to admit, I'm not always in the mood to fly a goon or fly attack missions either. Sometimes I just wanna up a light fighterand mix it up with other fighters (furball). But when it comes down to crunch time I'm willing to help out. whether its to fly a goon, pork a base or what ever. You need players(furballers) to up planes and defend the base so others can go out and illiminate the source of the threat. Thats what a team is. Furballers do help tie up enemy resources, no doubt about that, so I believe players can furball and help out offensively or defensively as the case may be, but at the same time, they also should to be willing to help out (when help is asked)with out copping an attitude. And FYI we need players to take charge and make reccomendations as to what needs to be done to accomplish a goal. But those players get chastized and get called Arm chair generals and told to kiss off.
I love you for caring :D and congrates on the spaces between paragraphs
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Originally posted by meddog
No I'm not the only one, there are a number of us who are equally frustrated with the lack of cooperation when asked for. lol
I think a lot of that has to due with the individual's reputation within his/her own country.
There are a lot of guys that the others will follow as soon as help is asked for and there are some that the others will ignore when help is asked for.
Ack-Ack
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OOOOHHH OOOOOOHHHH OOOOHHHHHH <-----Said in my best Arnold Horseshack voice
Hey why don't all of the guys that know the strategy form a new country or squadron!!!! We would rule!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
By the way ROOOOKS ROOOOOOLLLLLLLLL:D
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muck... I wouldn't mind if all the "strat" guys flew under the dildo icon.. let em take fields all they want... let em win all the wars they want... I will have new fields after the reset. Unless every one of the little worker bees all take off from one field there is bound to be some fights.
I have no interest in "missuns" or an arena based around escort and fluffs.
The "strat" there will be exactly like the strat here.... The country with the largest number of players wins.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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laz...you got an individualist attitude toward a game of multitudes.....
fighting is fun......
destroying your base is fun ....
teamwork is fun.....
gv's are fun.....
low alt. bombin is fun....
if you play for yourself...cool...some play to have fun with others along side them.....
challenge is what I'm looking for....whether in gv's or bombers or fighters...as long as a challenge comes along.
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One problem I see on a regular basis with the knights is resupply or the lack there of. No one wants to stop vulching or score whoring long enough to resupply bases. Even if you pork a base during a capture, take 10-15 minutes from your steam rolling and fly defensive cover while 5 or 6 of you resupply the base. You would be surprised how fast that base comes up.
Actually, our squad has done this in the past. We've flown a few goons behind a capture mission that nearly destroyed a base. After our drops, the base was at 100% by the time the last goon landed. Further missions could up immediately from that field.
...Tactics...wage war...strategic attacks...strategies...offens ive and defensive tactics.
Med, you know I have nothing but respect for you. But, remember these words are all words used in conjunction with a SIM. AH has degraded to a game with mostly game players in it. It barely resembles a SIM any more and those of us trying to fly it as a SIM are suffering from the lack of cooperation from the game players.
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hmm... let's see... building battling or killing planes... gamey embarassing gv's or killing some real guy in a virtual ac... flying around doing nothing or fighting a real person in a virtual ac that may or may not have the advantage on you...
furballs can have 2 or three squaddies involved with you... more if you are an AK... Heck... most of us wish we could shut down local vox.. we get plenty of chatter.
lazs
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I would like to thank all the the players who have responded to this thread with gracious thoughts of understanding and advice on the fact that I'm beating a dead horse.Your words of wisdom has been well taken (you all were right). As for Lazs2, I look forward in taking your bases, vulching and/or shooting down your individuaistic, selfcentered & brainless piece of human flesh were the best part of you ran down the crack of your mommy's arse and ended up as a stain on the motel bed sheets, were the only cure for you is a 20MM frontal labotomy. Oh crap now I sound just like shane . With that gents, this will be my last response to this thread. I have better things to do than waist my time trying to engage in an intelligent debate with someone who isn't, like making him my personal biatch in the MA. Muhahahahahaha. gees I crack my self up. Lazs2 you have to tell me what country you fly for so I hunt you down.
P.S. Hey lazs2, why dont you have any scores for at least the last 4 months? (i didn't check any further) Do you spend all of your time responding to threads or do you actually get up and fight once in a while? Or do you have more then one name?
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Shot down another one. Can someone bring him a bandaid
Bandaid is a brand name, in war that may be tuff to do so just bring a bandage instead! :D :
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Originally posted by meddog
I would like to thank all the the players who have responded to this thread with gracious thoughts of understanding and advice on the fact that I'm beating a dead horse.Your words of wisdom has been well taken (you all were right). As for Lazs2, I look forward in taking your bases, vulching and/or shooting down your individuaistic, selfcentered & brainless piece of human flesh were the best part of you ran down the crack of your mommy's arse and ended up as a stain on the motel bed sheets, were the only cure for you is a 20MM frontal labotomy. Oh crap now I sound just like shane . With that gents, this will be my last response to this thread. I have better things to do than waist my time trying to engage in an intelligent debate with someone who isn't, like making him my personal biatch in the MA. Muhahahahahaha. gees I crack my self up. Lazs2 you have to tell me what country you fly for so I hunt you down.
P.S. Hey lazs2, why dont you have any scores for at least the last 4 months? (i didn't check any further) Do you spend all of your time responding to threads or do you actually get up and fight once in a while? Or do you have more then one name?
Check stats for lazs, not lazs2. His lazs BBS account got porked when the BBS crashed a year or so ago. Shooting him down will be a tad more difficult than you think.
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I guess it will be a little harder to shoot him down since he's a knight lol. this really is my last response
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What has been missing in this thread is the general trend of battles whenever Nits are involved.
This started out as a general criticism and advice to all Nits as to how to adopt winning ways because they are always outnumbered. The original had a few whines couched in advice to reverse fortunes of the Nits.
From what I have seen it is not always a question of the Nits being outnumbered as the main reason for them losing. It is a lack of flexibility that accounts for a lot of it. Many times I have logged on to see Rook bases swarmed by Nits, and meanwhile the Bish who HAVE been outnumbered, quietly raid and take back what they lost :) Hell, they do it to both Nits and Rooks at the same time. Rooks continue in the pitched battle with the Nits, and the Nits nearly always come out on the short end. Now, that doesn't mean the Rooks always win resets :) In fact, it seems we lose more than we win but, we have a lot of fun going after it, and fighting two sides at once. Rooks will break off and fight the other guy if they get to be too much of a threat; Nits seem to doggedly go after the Rooks. It makes it easy for a group of 5 or 6 Rooks to tie down 15 or 20 Nits, while we take 3 or 4 other bases in another area of the map.
Porking everything isn't the answer, it is only annoying. I have driven a gooney to resupply 6 or 7 consecutive times just to piss off Nit nmez who will keep going after a base they porked, only to find it resupplied as soon as they land or re-up from dien :)
Winning is different for everyone, and means different things to folks. Fun for me is winning, and vice versa.
Hell, find a group of like minded pilits in the MA and wreak havoc on Rooks or Bish but, don't tear at countrymen who don't feel like joining in the battle. There are worse types in the game; like the kind who will jump from their own country to the winning country just so they can get in on the perk points:rolleyes:
We have had several fellow AH pilits pass away over the past year. They flew for their enjoyment, and now they can't. Enjoy the game, the battles and the fights, and savor every minute of them...because you can
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whaaaat? does this mean you aren't gonna hunt down mean ol lazs? darn. was looking forward to getting a good beating from such an esteeemed building battler. Oh well.... guess you will just have to settle for braying at me with your annoying little generals voice... maybe you could "MISSUN AT A5 ALL KNITS MUST BE THERE OR SUFFER MY WRATH"...... in all caps all the time... that annoys me...
failing that... you could just wait to see me at a con in person and then tell me again what you think of me and my mom tough guy.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
failing that... you could just wait to see me at a con in person and then tell me again what you think of me and my mom tough guy.
lazs
Your mom's name is tough guy? :D
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Originally posted by Gloves
Your mom's name is tough guy? :D
i knew laz was a son of a freak.....thx for the confirmation:D
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tough guy isn't her real name... it's just a nickname.
lazs
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Marine Air Wing...
will kik ur prettythang
Love it..or get used by it....
BiGB
xoxo
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I don't know many things. One thing I do know is this. If Apache and Lazs are online in the MA, finding them means finding a pretty damned fun fight. They have a nose for the good fights, and it's always a fun time to fly along side them.
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BK's
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Originally posted by Nifty
I don't know many things. One thing I do know is this. If Apache and Lazs are online in the MA, finding them means finding a pretty damned fun fight. They have a nose for the good fights, and it's always a fun time to fly along side them.
Nifty. Always a blast flying with you.
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Originally posted by sax
BK's
13th. Rather fight against and with you guys more than any others...'cept that cherry picker Stringer :D.
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Thanks niffty and sax... yeah, we look for good fights.. I guess that's the whole point..
lazs