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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: funkedup on April 22, 2003, 10:13:39 PM
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My coworker was out on Sunday with his family and his friend and his friend's young daughter. They were hiking in a wilderness area near where we live.
Right as they passed a real steep spot (40 foot cliff next to an arroyo), they hear the daughter crying. They turn around and his friend is lying at the bottom of the stream, face up, bleeding bad from the head.
They got down to the creek as fast as they could, and did CPR, but the guy had a serious head injury and was underwater for a couple of minutes. They did CPR until the helicopter showed up, but the guy was DOA.
Turns out he was a diagnosed epileptic, but was in denial and refused medication and didn't tell anybody but his wife about it. He had a seizure at the worst possible spot on the trail. Be careful out there. :(
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bummer.
condolences to that family. poor kid.. damn, that's messed up all right.
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sorry to hear that funked.
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Condolances to the family and I sincerely hope the little girl can get past the memory of this incident. :(
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Poor girl.
Why did the guy get off the meds? That's just asking for trouble, IMHO.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Turns out he was a diagnosed epileptic, but was in denial and refused medication and didn't tell anybody but his wife about it.
Refused medication?
Friend of mine is also epilectic but thanks to the medication there can be months between seizures.
Epilepsia is not a plague, I'd say its more like a migrane.
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Stigma, maybe. There's still alot of ignorance out there regarding epilepsy. Although things have improved since people thought it was a possession by the devil.
I'm only mildly epileptic, I had 3 seizures in three years, but I still take medication every day. I was lucky; my seizures were in my student house or halls of residence and the only unfortunate part was that one occured during my uni finals.
I don't let it get in the way of my life. I just don't drink as much as I used to, for instance, and am very careful when I'm tired as to how I feel. No more getting paraletic.
A terrible story, though. It sounds like it could so easily have been avoided.
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Sad.. :(
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I didn't know the guy who died. Only know what my co-worker told me. Apparently nobody but his wife and his doctor knew he was epileptic, and he never took the medicine that the doctor prescribed. I guess he only had a couple of seizures and just wanted to believe that he was bulletproof and it would go away.
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My condolances to the family and friends:(
thats to sad
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:( Sad story. That poor little girl is going to be traumatised for life.
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"Be careful out there"... as if there are epileptic hikers on the AH bbs that may be near 40 foot cliffs next outing?
Sad story but huh?
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Denial is a common human reaction to an unwanted/unpleasant knowlege. It's a mental condition or rather inborn character trait which is not really a concious choice, however controllable it seems to another person.
His reaction is deplorable but understandable. His wife was not as affected and could make decisions concerning her husband's health with a clear head. What the heck was she thinking? I understand that the oath to "care for each other till death..." is a meaningless traditional crap rather than a real obligation those days, but her and her child's interests were certainly linked to him being alive.
There may arguably be valid reasons to disregard the doctor's advice and not take prescribed drugs, but then one has to make some accomodations for posible consequences like forgoing mountain climbing.
My wife made motorcycle and skydiving off-limits for me for the next 20 years as a condition for conceiving a child. I was really upset at a time.
I do not think/hope the girl will get psycholigically traumatised for life - humans originated in much harsher conditions and are equipped to handle problems - but her life will be definitely affected by not having a biological father and siblings.
Sad story. :(
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Hmm no disrespect for the people in question, but I can't help to wonder where are the 'darwin at work' comments?
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Very sad :(
The worst thing that can happen to you hiking :(
I practiced hiking with my former school group as an instructor for about 10 years. I simply can't imagine how you should feel if you loose a teammate, or, even worse, a kid, in such accident...
We had extremely severe conditions several times, once or twice I thought we will not get out alive, but always had some luck to help us. The worst thing that happened to my group was a broken foot. The most experienced "instructor", a guy with 20 years of alpinist experience, including hi-alt Pamir and un-classicated routes in Central Caucasus like Bezengi Wall traverse, perpared to 1982 Soviet Everest expedition, broke his foot on a stone in a brook... I spent a week with him in a tent in tundra before a group finished the route.
Nice that you guys have communication and helicopters for rescue... Hiking in Siberia makes you feel extremely "lonely" when you understand that the nearest human dwelling is more then 200km away...
Condolences to the family and teammates...
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Originally posted by Creamo
"Be careful out there"... as if there are epileptic hikers on the AH bbs that may be near 40 foot cliffs next outing?
Sad story but huh?
Yeah Creamo this type of situation has never come up on these boards before. :rolleyes:
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Ok, I'll bite.
I know better but still, the other epileptic hiker on a 40 ft cliff :( thread was when?
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My brother is an epileptic, I spent many a time securing his head and keeping him from swallowing his tongue during seizures. I think the worse part is the way kids treat other kids with the illness, ya can spend day after day slapping around the people who laugh at someone seizing but the stigma will always remain.
I guess the sight of a body totally out of control is just too much for some people to comprehend.
The modern meds have stopped his siezures almost completely, (WTG science dudes) but it is sytemic and MUST be taken daily for at least a month before they reach peak effect. There are sideaffects tho, sterility is one.
Another thing that I find curious is that some people musta known, cause usually your drivers liscence is revoked when the doctor reports such an illness.
Good luck to the little kid, hope she learns to forget the ending and remembers all the rest.
Bumba
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Why did the guy get off the meds? That's just asking for trouble, IMHO.
Well when I got misdiagnosed as manic/depressive last august they gave me Depakote as a mood stabilizer. Turns out it's epilepsy medication. VERY POWERFUL stuff. I took it for just over a week and had a very bad physical and "pysichotic" reaction to it on day 10. I threw up 27 times in 12 hours then had the worst panic attack I've ever had. I mean the WORST, it's a wonder I didn't kill myself or somebody else that night.
I know after my experience last year I'll never put another psychotropic drug in my system unless my life depends on it. Those things are VERY strong and they don't know all the side effects...
$.02.......
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side note....
When I had my siezure last December it took the paramedics a good while to convense me that I had one. I didn't believe them until I had enough rational thought back to realize that you just don't go from sitting at your computer working to opening your eyes and seeing 2 medics pumping drugs into your IV that wasn't there 1 second ago :D I was out for 10 min and never knew it.
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Siaf__csf: Hmm no disrespect for the people in question, but I can't help to wonder where are the 'darwin at work' comments?
'Darwin' works whether we make insencitive remarks or not, so we better not in some cases...
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Sad thing to have happened. My condolences to the family.
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My deepest condolences funkedup.... :(
Regards,
Badger
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Oh for Christs sake Badger...
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Hey thanks but I didn't know the guy that died. He was a friend of the guy I work with.
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There are sideaffects tho, sterility is one.
Err... out of interest which medication is he on, if you don't mind telling me. I'm 24 years old and taking anti-seizure medication and permanent sterility is something I would like to avoid. :)
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Originally posted by Dowding
Err... out of interest which medication is he on, if you don't mind telling me. I'm 24 years old and taking anti-seizure medication and permanent sterility is something I would like to avoid. :)
Erm... guess I might as well tell you or one of the others will. We petitioned your doctor not to share this information with you. While none of us wished harm on you, we were pretty much agreed that its best you not reproduce.
We were going to tell you the day you turned gay, but didn't have the chance before you proclaimed being hetro again.
MiniD
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lol!
I should have suspected something when I saw the picture of Fatty's mum on the doc's desk.
For a moment I thought I'd walked into the Gynecology department. Turns out the doc was just a fan.
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Poor girl. How old was she?
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Is the situation this guy put himself in really dissimilar to that of the chick who got run over by a bulldozer in Palestine?
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not really Erlkonig both made a choice.
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Don't mean to be a complete jerk here, but my first reaction to this is thinking "what an prettythanghole". Sometimes there are bigger things to think about than loosing your percieved invincibility...like the fact that you have a wife and daughter.
SOB
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i would like to know why he didnt take his meds. (hopeing it isnt because a "because the preacher said i was healed" )
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:(
Regards Blitz
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Originally posted by Dowding
Err... out of interest which medication is he on, if you don't mind telling me. I'm 24 years old and taking anti-seizure medication and permanent sterility is something I would like to avoid. :)
Dilantin, Depakene and i forget the other one. Don't quote me, but I think i remember something about Depekane being the one that causes the problem, but I think he's in a low percentage group with the sterilization side affect. That drug has many possible affects. besides, i think side affects with systemic drugs go away after usage is stopped. BUT never stop without consulting your DR.
Look up any drug u want info on, it's a good site:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginformation.html
And I wish you well in dealing with your illness, if you need any other info, please feel free to ask, i'll do what I can :)
Bumba
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Thanks for the info. :)
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Perfectly well said SOB.
(or should I say SANGLOT ;))
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Poor girl. How old was she?
3! :(
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Originally posted by SOB
Don't mean to be a complete jerk here, but my first reaction to this is thinking "what an prettythanghole". Sometimes there are bigger things to think about than loosing your percieved invincibility...like the fact that you have a wife and daughter.
SOB
Yeah that's part of why I said it was messed up ****. I couldn't stop thinking about this all weekend. Just a ****ty deal all the way around.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
i would like to know why he didnt take his meds. (hopeing it isnt because a "because the preacher said i was healed" )
I don't know. His friends are really surprised by the whole thing. He never let on about it.
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Originally posted by funkedup
3! :(
Actually her very young age may be a Godsend. She has an excellent chance of getting past this trauma.