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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SLO on April 23, 2003, 10:54:12 AM
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/903808.asp
one day you americans will understand that as long as you support Israel...as long as you have troops in the holy land(Saudia Arabia....home of the MECCA) you WILL be hated by the Muslims.
thats how THEY see it......but who gives a watermelon right:D
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Your sensitivity to Muslim issues is touching.
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wow..I guess I'm not too surprised at this story.
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Originally posted by SLO
http://www.msnbc.com/news/903808.asp
one day you americans will understand that as long as you support Israel...as long as you have troops in the holy land(Saudia Arabia....home of the MECCA) you WILL be hated by the Muslims.
thats how THEY see it......but who gives a watermelon right:D
Why can't we support Israel? If supporting Israel causes Arabs to hate us, then that's there problem.
So you are saying that we should not support Israel out of fear of causing Arabs tp hat us?
If the Arabs or anyone else hates us and then tries to attack us or support terror against us, we will destroy them and solve any problem they start with us.
Too bad the world works that way, but it does.
We have every right to support Israel.
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Well you will be gald to hear we are likrly moving our troops from saudi arabia. I hear they will be sent to invade canda and kill you...
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We had problems long before we had troops in Saudi.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Well you will be gald to hear we are likrly moving our troops from saudi arabia. I hear they will be sent to invade canda and kill you...
LOL:D
where's Canda
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most of the 9/11 guys were saudis. yet we are screaming at syria and iran.
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Originally posted by ra
Your sensitivity to Muslim issues is touching.
thx you RA...Sun God
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
most of the 9/11 guys were saudis. yet we are screaming at syria and iran.
Saudi's have learned that you don't diplay your hatred in the front window.....
they just got smarter is all......
but have some fear...cause its still there.
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Canda isnt worth the trouble spelling it out..
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Maybe its the Arabs that should reconsider who they hate.
I happen to subscribe to the theory of total destruction of all arab nations if another 9/11 happens. And I dont even hate arabs.
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We give them way to much support now and probably have for the last 20 years.
However, without US support for at least Israel's first 30 years they would have ceased to exist as a nation.
So, are you suggesting we should have never supported them? For fear of angering Arabs/Muslims?
Because that, to me, suggests that you feel Israel should have been left to the tender mercies of her neighbors.
Sounds like a second Holocaust to me.
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one day you americans will understand that as long as you support Israel...as long as you have troops in the holy land(Saudia Arabia....home of the MECCA) you WILL be hated by the Muslims.
One day the camel jockeys will learn that as long as they try to destroy America and Israel, we will keep crushing their countries one by one. They will learn, or they will perish.
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Basic problem: Ignorance.
Supporting problem: People that prefer to stay ignorant.
The best we can do (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/special_packages/iraq/dispatches/5691407.htm)
In the past month, six rural boys' schools outside Kandahar have been vandalized by suspected Taliban and al Qaida sympathizers, a departure from the common attacks on girls' schools. Storage rooms at some of schools like Haji Glon Baba were torched. No one knows why the schools were targeted or what the attacks mean.
"We're going out to support the schools we've heard have been vandalized," the sergeant had said this morning.
Now with Yousuf sitting beside her on a faded rug, she takes out a scrap of paper from her flack vest and asks him what happened.
"They came at night, March 9th or 10th." says Yousuf, 45. He speaks softly. He's bald with a gray beard cascading down his chest. "They stole biscuits donated to us by the WFP. They stole copies of the Holy Koran and our registry books with the addresses of all of our teachers."
The sergeant nods taking notes. An Afghan guard adjusts his Calvin Klein cap, looks off at a dust storm racing across the desert valley below.
"There have been threats to teachers," Yousuf says. "Night letters that say our noses and ears will be cut off if we continue teaching."
"Have any students dropped out?" the sergeant asks.
"No. When they are not here, they spend the rest of their time harvesting poppies."
She makes a face, shakes her head, writes.
"Where do they put the night letters?"
"In front of the school on the wall," Yousef says. "They are the result of ignorant thinking. If the children don't get the opportunity for education, the ignorant thinking will continue."
Bingo.
There's the problem.
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nice Toad......:)
and I agree.....:cool:
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They feel that our very presence in their countries is so unholy and offensive that it warrants murder against us. Well excuse us for existing .
When they let go of dark age ideologies like this we can all begin to get along .
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Originally posted by SLO
Saudi's have learned that you don't diplay your hatred in the front window.....
they just got smarter is all......
but have some fear...cause its still there.
LOL
What's diplay?
Dumb arsed canuck. :D
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Who cares. If they keep it up, we'll turn the whole place into a parking lot. See how much oil you Canadians get then.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Canda isnt worth the trouble spelling it out..
Yeah, even if ya could!
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Originally posted by Suave
They feel that our very presence in their countries is so unholy and offensive that it warrants murder against us. Well excuse us for existing .
When they let go of dark age ideologies like this we can all begin to get along .
Always nice to hear a voice of reason in the wilderness. :rolleyes:
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Well done ! You could've just joined in the discourse, but instead of formulating a point you dressed a tiresome "nuh uh" in sarcasm and adorned it with a :rolleyes: .
Another triumph !
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Originally posted by SLO
one day you americans will understand that as long as you support Israel...as long as you have troops in the holy land(Saudia Arabia....home of the MECCA) you WILL be hated by the Muslims.
thats how THEY see it......but who gives a watermelon right:D [/B]
I'm sick to freeking death with this lunacy from other countries telling us 9/11 was our fault, that somehow the U.S.A. which has given the middle east the vast majority of the money it's leader's have misspent, just makes Arabs so infuriated that they are willing to committ suicide in their jihad against the Great Satan. Instead, I wonder if a religious perversion which promises 70 virgins upon martyrdom (a pathetic manipulative perversion of their own holy scriptures) is alot more to blame than anything this county has ever done.
Slo' your premise is tantamount to saying that Arab counries get to tell us what to do, (i.e. not support Israel) which is interesting because they assert that they hate us because we ("imperialisitcally") are telling them what to do. Even more interesting is that there are a WHOLE lot more Arab and middle eastern immigrants in this country who have come to this country, and the West, embraced Western ideals and opportunities as well as accepted the responsibilities of freedom. I suppose that Slo thinks thase Arabs are the stupid ones, eh, and the lemming like "martyrs" are the smart ones.
What it boils down to is this. There is a lunatic fringe hell bent on destroying Israel and the West that supports her. There is NEVER, NO NOT EVER, any excuse for terrorism. It will be rooted out and destroyed. And don't give me any of that crap that one man's terrorist is another man's hero. If someone suggests that a terrorist is their hero, then they support terrorists and they too will be destroyed.
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The basic understainding is "If you get in the way of our hate for the Israelis, we'll hate you too!" ?
That's alot of hate to go around.
MiniD
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Mini:
Very succint concise and accurate.
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Take this from someone that has lived through it:
You cannot defeat terrorrists through military action.
IMO, the US should (and of course, im the uberexperten in this matter, *throws salt over shoulder* ;) ) or any nation wishing to get rid of them should form assassination squads and go plink them in their own turf.
The only other solution is to fight their ideology and reasons behind their actions.
Or just turn everything to glass.
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let 'em keep killing themselves as far as I'm concerned.
what was it Patton said?
One doesn't win a war by dieing for his/her country, but by making the other guy die for his...
something like that.
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
Even more interesting is that there are a WHOLE lot more Arab and middle eastern immigrants in this country who have come to this country, and the West, embraced Western ideals and opportunities as well as accepted the responsibilities of freedom.
And learn to fly airplanes, and locate buildings...
Nice huh? I love the way this country is repaid for embracing foreign people and their cultures.
Look at Iraq today. 1 week ago, they were chanting USA, and Bush is great....today they are protesting our presence there at a ceremony that could only take place because WE LIBERATED THE COUNTRY!!!
How sh*t bellybutton stupid do you have to be? Are you that F*cking simple minded that you'll run out into the street and protest, or blow yourself up, because thats what a cleric, and Ayotollah, or a Priest told you to do? Guess what, they are men just like everyone else. They are not gods. They have an agenda. As usual, it's power. If Martyrdom is so great, why are'nt these clerics the first on line to strap on some TNT? Because when the little schmucks trip to Martyrdom is complete...the CLERIC IS F*CKING HIS WIFE!!!
You cannot reason with fanatics. Not all arabs are fanatics, but many are simple people, who believe in what they are told. They don't question authority like many others in the civilized world do.
It must be pretty sad when you blow yourself up, expecting 70 virgins, and all you get is BLACKNESS!! Guess what, your dead. Thats all you get, thanks for playing.
Worse yet, you get to heaven and find out THERE IS A GOD...he's a Jew...and IS HE PISSED!!!
The only Virgin you'll see is your own prettythanghole, and it won't be that way for long.
Here's my philosphy for happines....take notes Fanatics...
Live your life. Be good to others, no matter what they are. If you try to hurt me, my family or my friends, I will take great joy in exacting swift and brutal revenge when at all possible. Make your living. Hug your kids. Feed your family. I'll help you, you help me, and we get along fine. You go to your mosque, I'll watch football. Don't get in my way, and I won't get in yours. Simple. Too bad governments, religions, and societies can't figure this out.
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hate is the strongest emotion in our catalog. People want to feel hate more then anything. So any excuse you give those religous wackos they will use.
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Look at Iraq today. 1 week ago, they were chanting USA, and Bush is great....today they are protesting our presence there at a ceremony that could only take place because WE LIBERATED THE COUNTRY!!!
The most vociferous protesters are Shiites with ties to Iran's revolutionary Islamic government. They want to take advantage of the current power vacuum to position themselves for more power in whatever government evolves down the road. Most Shiites in Iraq have no link with Iran, and I doubt most Iraqis want the coalition forces to leave just yet. But the Shiites who have Iranian backing are organised, so they present a carefully crafted image of grassroots discontent. Typical for all Islamist political movements, they want to intimidate other Iraqi political movements before they can even get off the ground. Iraq's political future is uncertain, but the fact the Iran is involved was inevitable.
ra
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"Worse yet, you get to heaven and find out THERE IS A GOD...he's a Jew...and IS HE PISSED"
oh man, hadnt laughed that much in a while, thanks. that was awesome :D :D
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Muck.
Do you mind if I call you that?
Muck;
The problem with your post is that it is founded on sound and irrefutable logic. That alone makes it anathema to religious clerics and their lemming sheep. You are thinking too much with your brain. Why else would you care about family above self? It is pathetic the way we westerner's ascribe our values to those in the middle east. It is simply inconceivable for us to imagine that "family" is not universally acepted as important. This despite the plethora of proof that, in ARab cultures, the protection of women and children, nay, the total subjugation of women and slavery of children are the norm and accepted practices.
Unfrotunately, despite what the totally hypoctical leftists and socialists think, there is right and there is wrong. At the core, it is not a matter of the cultural context. Western thought and culture, yes even that of those slimely French, is more developed and advanced in terms of human decency. That's why all those muslims who are getting educated by hook or by crook are leaving arab countries in droves.
They don't think like we do. Period. It will take generations for that to change. But, so long as heinous people like SH and power mongers like the Ayatollahs are around to repress basic human rights and the instinct for freedom, there will always be enemies to kill. Note that I didn't say try to redeem. We must kill them before they kill anymore of us.
It's a war and those of you who don't see it as a war are doomed to become victims.
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Originally posted by Toad
We give them way to much support now and probably have for the last 20 years.
However, without US support for at least Israel's first 30 years they would have ceased to exist as a nation.
So, are you suggesting we should have never supported them? For fear of angering Arabs/Muslims?
Because that, to me, suggests that you feel Israel should have been left to the tender mercies of her neighbors.
Sounds like a second Holocaust to me.
Support is one thing. But it's a 2 way street.
They should give something in return besides pure racism.
Regards Blitz
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Very well put, Syz.
It really is sad, more than anything else.
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Originally posted by ra
The most vociferous protesters are Shiites with ties to Iran's revolutionary Islamic government. They want to take advantage of the current power vacuum to position themselves for more power in whatever government evolves down the road. Most Shiites in Iraq have no link with Iran, and I doubt most Iraqis want the coalition forces to leave just yet. But the Shiites who have Iranian backing are organised, so they present a carefully crafted image of grassroots discontent. Typical for all Islamist political movements, they want to intimidate other Iraqi political movements before they can even get off the ground. Iraq's political future is uncertain, but the fact the Iran is involved was inevitable.
ra
How many millions are there in Kerbela?
Regards Blitz
America was thretened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Very well put, Syz.
It really is sad, more than anything else.
Thanks, but I think the really sad thing is the likes of Blitz and Slo and Boroda, to name a few.
They ought to know better but obviously don't.
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syz...
I didn't start this thread to bash the US or your POV...
I was showing you what the otherside was doing and thinking....
what you think or feel I don't give a ****.....
just hope you learned something new....even though you don't care but for yourself....
its in there freaking religion to HATE the JEWS.....what you think and do WILL NOT CHANGE THAT....
I'm just hoping IRAQ doen't turn out to be like another IRAN....with a bunch of religious freaks....
there already talking about clerics in political positions.....
and like as if I need you too tell me what I know and don't chump....stick with your individual self from now on if you please....
and leave your assinine comments in your useless brain please:eek:
notice how nice I am....I did say please:D
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Originally posted by Suave
Well done ! You could've just joined in the discourse, but instead of formulating a point you dressed a tiresome "nuh uh" in sarcasm and adorned it with a :rolleyes: .
Another triumph !
I think not. The last one I had wouldn't keep up with my friends Beemer. Bummer.
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
Muck.
Do you mind if I call you that?
Muck;
The problem with your post is that it is founded on sound and irrefutable logic. That alone makes it anathema to religious clerics and their lemming sheep. You are thinking too much with your brain. Why else would you care about family above self? It is pathetic the way we westerner's ascribe our values to those in the middle east. It is simply inconceivable for us to imagine that "family" is not universally acepted as important. This despite the plethora of proof that, in ARab cultures, the protection of women and children, nay, the total subjugation of women and slavery of children are the norm and accepted practices.
Unfrotunately, despite what the totally hypoctical leftists and socialists think, there is right and there is wrong. At the core, it is not a matter of the cultural context. Western thought and culture, yes even that of those slimely French, is more developed and advanced in terms of human decency. That's why all those muslims who are getting educated by hook or by crook are leaving arab countries in droves.
They don't think like we do. Period. It will take generations for that to change. But, so long as heinous people like SH and power mongers like the Ayatollahs are around to repress basic human rights and the instinct for freedom, there will always be enemies to kill. Note that I didn't say try to redeem. We must kill them before they kill anymore of us.
It's a war and those of you who don't see it as a war are doomed to become victims.
You know that there are kids under 16 years kept as prisoners in famous civil rights camp at Guantanamo Bay, right?
Regards Blitz
btw Are we really better? Which muslim country is able to destroy the entire world with all it's WMDs, 10 times in a row? Was this the will of God?
Which countries are wastin all of the worlds ressources? The muslims?
Tell me a muslim country that invented WMDs!
Tell me a muslim country that developped WMDs on its own !
What is really superior on our side are the weapons and the economy.
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous
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Originally posted by SLO
syz...
I didn't start this thread to bash the US or your POV...
I was showing you what the otherside was doing and thinking....
:D
Yes you did!. The mere fact that you posted it indicates your mind boggeling arrogance and superior attitude "Oh yes, the worldly Canadian knows more than any of them dummies down south!" You don't think we know why they hate Americans? And now you are back peddaling trying to say you were just enlightening the poor dumb Yanks. Give us all a break, will ya'.
The fact is, the U.S. knows full well that our support of Israel is causing others to hate us and yes, we knows that there are lunatics who want to destroy the US because of it's support of Israel. But, you know what, (and pay attention because this is the difference between why the US is a truly great nation, and France and Germany and Russia are not), the US is willing to do what is right, no matter the cost, no matter how hard. We support Israel, (which, have you forgotten, was created by your very own sanctified UN) because it is the right thing to do. The US doesn't shirk it's resonsibilities to protect freedom and democracy just because irrational maniacs decide to suicide themselves or just because they blow up innocents. Facing sacrifice is the price that has to be paid when you find yourself the leader of the free world. What your post refelcts is not the lack of knowledge on the part of the US, but your own ignorance and fundamental failure to understand the concepts of courage and sacrifice for the greater good. It's too bad, because the Cannucks are also a brave and courageous people but they have elected themselves a spineless miscreant more beholden to France than to his own citizens.
So, come again Slo. I look forward to it!
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Originally posted by blitz
You know that there are kids under 16 years kept as prisoners in famous civil rights camp at Guantanamo Bay, right?
Regards Blitz
btw Are we really better? Which muslim country is able to destroy the entire world with all it's WMDs, 10 times in a row? Was this the will of God?
Which countries are wastin all of the worlds ressources? The muslims?
Tell me a muslim country that invented WMDs!
Tell me a muslim country that developped WMDs on its own !
What is really superior on our side are the weapons and the economy.
America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous
What has any of this got to do with anything?
Isn't it time for your show?
(http://home.attbi.com/~martlets93/Pictures/dieter.jpg)
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Originally posted by blitz
You know that there are kids under 16 years kept as prisoners in famous civil rights camp at Guantanamo Bay, right?
Regards Blitz
btw Are we really better? Which muslim country is able to destroy the entire world with all it's WMDs, 10 times in a row? Was this the will of God?
Which countries are wastin all of the worlds ressources? The muslims?
Tell me a muslim country that invented WMDs!
Tell me a muslim country that developped WMDs on its own !
What is really superior on our side are the weapons and the economy.
Blitz, you ignorant slut!
LOL, I always wanted to say that. Sorry, I try not to engage in adhominum.
But seriously, your post is almost comical
First of all, what difference does it make if there are 16 year olds in GITMO. There were illegal combatants trying to kill coaltion forces.
Second, WE? WE? Oh let me see, what caused us to start devleoping WMD. Oh right, it was first the Axis powers, Germany, Japan and later Russia. It wasn't we back them, now was it.
Third, it's not the ecomony. it's the social structure that allowed the free market economy to flourish
Fourth; do you think for a second that Arab countries wouldn't invent WMD if they had the wherewithall to do so. No, there is no need if you can get checmical and biological weapons, and did you forget about OSIRAK
Fifth; yes, the West is far better than Arab culture and the social systems it produces. Elsewise, why would they be emmigrating out of Arab countries and why would they be trying to get to the West to get educated.
Give it a rest Blitzie.
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
Second, WE? WE? Oh let me see, what caused us to start devleoping WMD. Oh right, it was the Axis powers, Germany, Japan and Russia. It wasn't we back them, now was it.
Russia in the axis power ? or it was not an enumeration ? (if so Germany and Japan are not axis power ?)
I fail to see your logic.
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the big difference is that we (US) are reluctant to use the WMD's we have..
apparently not so with religious zealots like in the Muslem world.. they can't wait to use them. and suicide tactics, etc etc etc
talk about no regard for human life
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Originally posted by straffo
Russia in the axis power ? or it was not an enumeration ? (if so Germany and Japan are not axis power ?)
I fail to see your logic.
My grammatical mistake. I have edited to fix it. I didn't mean to include Russia in the Axis, although I believe General Patton would have. I was trying to point out that WMD were developed in response to war time threats and follow on war time threats. Slo apparently somehow thinks that the Arab cultures are better because they didn't develop nuclear weapons. I fail to see his logic but then again he's a German peacenik.
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Ok ,more often than "sometime" I make translation error but this time I was very lost :)
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syzmoron....
this is what you said.....
arab loving....
german peacenik......
mind boggling arrogance.....
superior attitude.....
backpeddlin....
failure to understand courage and sacrifice.....
now those are all insults.....then you go on to insult the canadian PM.....and most canadians for electing him.....then you compare Canada to France...to degrade them both.
hmm interesting......
some might say you degrade others because of your.....hmm hmm.
INFERIORITY COMPLEX.....
so....
Its ok little buddy....keep them words coming....the more they come the more you'll feel better.:D
hope 1 day you get off your stupid high horse and stop being so serious....
your a good american patriot.....but see...I don't give a watermelon about you or your stupid patriotism.....
god bless the red white and blue.....
piss on god and piss on your red white and blue.....:p
don't forget moron...there IMAGINARY boundaries....they don't really exist
:rolleyes:
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Slo,
LOL, Pushing your go crazy button is just too easy. I think I'll quit wasting my tme.
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Originally posted by SLO
piss on god and piss on your red white and blue.....:p
Am I reading this right?
Are you trying to push our buttons here?
Please let me know if you are making this statment as I am reading it, because I would love to use it in my sig, giving you full credit,of course, for all the board to see.
Its impossible to read someone's tone over the internet, so I would like a clarification before I respond.
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Originally posted by SLO
piss on god and piss on your red white and blue.....:p
don't forget moron...there IMAGINARY boundaries....they don't really exist
:rolleyes:
Piss on you and yours, no smily. means really piss on you.
Your another that needs a thump up beside your empty head.
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Originally posted by SLO
LOL:D
where's Canda
Dunno dumbarse, wheres diplay?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Am I reading this right?
Are you trying to push our buttons here?
Please let me know if you are making this statment as I am reading it, because I would love to use it in my sig, giving you full credit,of course, for all the board to see.
Its impossible to read someone's tone over the internet, so I would like a clarification before I respond.
Yep, you read it right I'm afraid. But, he'll probably weasel out of it saying he used a small g for god and a small r, w and b. He's a French Canadian obviously who loves France and hates the U.S.
I doubt that he is pushing our buttons. He has not shown the wherewithal to do so previosu to do this. Ergo, he must be serious about his post. This is a typical overraction to having his buttons pushed though. But, he has obviously gone off the deep end so I choose not to pummel him anymore. But, I really like the idea of using his quote in your signature! hehehe:)
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Originally posted by SLO
INFERIORITY COMPLEX.....
piss on god and piss on your red white and blue.....:p
don't forget moron...there IMAGINARY boundaries....they don't really exist
:rolleyes:
well it gave me a new sig file...
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Piss on you and yours, no smily. means really piss on you.
Your another that needs a thump up beside your empty head.
Listen Genius...I know how to read, alright. I don't give a damn if there's a smiley thing on the end of it. I want him to clarify his statment.
Everybody's a tough guy over the internet. If you'd care to come "Thump" me in person, your more than welcome to try.
I want to hear exactly what Slo meant, from SLO, not X2lee, Not Ripsnort, Not Blitz.
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have to agree.. that's a pretty BS statement..
wonder how he'd have felt if we said Piss on Canada and piss on that maple leaf?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Listen Genius...I know how to read, alright. I don't give a damn if there's a smiley thing on the end of it. I want him to clarify his statment.
Everybody's a tough guy over the internet. If you'd care to come "Thump" me in person, your more than welcome to try.
I want to hear exactly what Slo meant, from SLO, not X2lee, Not Ripsnort, Not Blitz.
Same here mawcreep, if ya wanna come down here and try to thump my head your welcome to it. I imagine he meant what he said BTW.
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I say let's reverse 911 and attack Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran for no other reason than we wish they were all dead .
Then those countries would have to ask themselves what they did that caused the USA to hate them so much.... like reverse 911 political correctness.
People the world over would have to ask those countries what they did that caused the attacks against them. Only in this case there might actaully be a good reason to attack these clowns.