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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: OIO on April 24, 2003, 09:41:41 AM
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http://www.discover.com/may_03/featoil.html
Un-believable! Trash into oil!!!
WOOT!!!:D :D :cool:
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Amazing.
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I thought turkey guts were used for making hotdogs. No way I'm giving up hotdogs just for some oil. If we give up hotdogs the terrorists will have won.
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heck, 2 decades from now, every house will have one of those things plugged to their toilets.
Take a crap, flush, and go to your garage and pump your car full hehehe.
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WOW. If that is true, then the future gets considerably brighter? Thanks for the Post!
Kind of puts you in mind of Back to the Future I, when they use garbage to fuel to flying Delorean!
Waaaaaaaay coool!
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very sweet. Ain't science amazing.
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If a 175-pound man fell into one end, he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water.
And if anyone gets in their way, they just disappear. :D I mean, if the thing breaks things down at the molecular level, then it would also break down human DNA strands. Throw your enemy in there, and they vanish without a trace! Spiffy!
Also, you could use it for capital punishment. "I sentence you to depolymerization, where you will finally benefit mankind by heating their homes!"
Then there is using it as an alternative for cremation. "No, dear, I don't want to be cremated, I want to be depolymerized! You can keep my oil on the mantle!"
Heh, am I the only one reminded of Dune with the "123 pounds of sterlized water" from a "175-pound man." ??? :D
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Too cool. Has anyone heard of this before?
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Originally posted by Nifty
[Heh, am I the only one reminded of Dune with the "123 pounds of sterlized water" from a "175-pound man." ??? :D [/B]
Oh yeah, cool, that's a pretty Nifty answer!
hehehehe
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Nifty, you scare me.
But I like the way you think!
:D :cool:
edit: This could also mean junk mail companies would get a huge boost in bussiness!
If I had one of those things in my house, i'd sign up for every possible junk mail list. My car's fuel would be delivered to my door every day. Awesome!!!
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Sounds great with one flaw:
"The process is designed to handle almost any waste product imaginable, including turkey offal, tires, plastic bottles, harbor-dredgedmuck..."
Are they going to stick me in the machine?
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Originally posted by OIO
Nifty, you scare me.
But I like the way you think!
:D :cool:
edit: This could also mean junk mail companies would get a huge boost in bussiness!
If I had one of those things in my house, i'd sign up for every possible junk mail list. My car's fuel would be delivered to my door every day. Awesome!!!
Man, now that's is some serious serious free enterprise thought!
WTFG.
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I recall an experiment along this lines that was done about 20 years or more ago. The big problem was it cost the equivalent of 20 barrels of oil to produce 5 barrels. If they have made the process efficeint, great.
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woow cool:cool:
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Imagine what this would do for Prison overpopulation! :eek:
:D
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Controlled thermonuclear synthesis is even a better miracle...
Does anyone know what happened to the last-generation "tokamak" reactors? Soviet Tokamak-15 is not a question, it was supposed to be finished by 1991-92, so it goes :(
But what about European torus, Japanese and American projects?
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The Tokamak IIRC was one of the attempts to isolate the fusion reaction in space by using a donut shaped magnet. I don't recall if they ever actually created a reaction in a tokamak chamber New attempts (in the past few months) have shown some success in isolating the reaction by concentrating high energy beams on a central location. Stay tuned.
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What is IIRC?
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If I Remember Correctly
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I forgot....:)
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Nuke reactors would be better for , but not nicer.
Heck this thing basically kills like 5 birds in 1 shot:
-recycling
-fuel
-waste management
-home economy (in a few decades this thing will be miniaturized you wait and see, it will become a household appliance!).
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Damn, with oil becoming dirt-cheap, how are we going to recoup the invasion expences? Maybe instead of pumping oil from Iraq, we could use that country to grow Turkeys... :)
miko
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The Tokamak IIRC was one of the attempts to isolate the fusion reaction in space by using a donut shaped magnet. I don't recall if they ever actually created a reaction in a tokamak chamber New attempts (in the past few months) have shown some success in isolating the reaction by concentrating high energy beams on a central location. Stay tuned.
Tokamak is a Russian acronym for TOroidal'naya KAmera MAgnitniye Katushki (toroidal chamber magnetic coils). It's a development of Leo Scillard's "Stellarator" reactor, where the plasma channel is stabilized by external magnetic field, not only by the field of the current running through it.
The best acheievment on the "tokamak" scheme was a 1978 PLT (Princerton Large Tor), 80 million degrees, but for an extremely short time...
As for "laser reactors" - in late-80s (when I was crazy about the thermonuclear synthesis) it was only experiments, and probably too expencive and complicated compared to toroids. Hehe, I even made an attempt to go to Moscow Engineering Physics Institute, didn't get enough points and had to go to the "Rocket College on Yauza" instead ;)
The idea of the toroidal reactor is the really controlled reaction, while laser-beam reactors are in fact micro-hydrogen bombs :)
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Boroda: The idea of the toroidal reactor is the really controlled reaction, while laser-beam reactors are in fact micro-hydrogen bombs :)
True - laser-beam reactors are in fact micro-hydrogen bombs but at least you know exactly how large an explosion you are getting every time it fires.
With magneto-dynamic reactors you just hope that you can keep it within operating parameters...
miko
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I'm excited. This sounds pretty cool. I wonder if it puts out a stench.
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(http://www.msnbc.com/news/1707063.jpg)
Fusion reactor (Tokamak)
The National Ignition Facility will be completed in 2003
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1260000/images/_1263863_fusion150.jpg)
One way to do this is to heat gas to tens of millions of degrees and confine it in a magnetic cage. This approach is being investigated by several countries. Success is not expected for decades, if at all.
Another approach is to crush hydrogen pellets by firing laser beams at them from all directions. To ignite fusion power, scientists have to pack the biggest punch they can in the smallest space possible.
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What I find interesting is to go back to the science journals of the early-mid 1950's and see all the predictions concerning fusion reactors. Back then, they estimated they'd have fusion reactors working safely by the end of the decade! Kind of funny, really.
As for this waste-reprocessing technology, I think it holds great hope for the future. I can easily imagine these springing up at waste-disposal plants, at large farms, at food-processing plants, as companies catch on to it. One way to push companies to embrace the technology would be to provide tax incentives for re-processing their waste material into POL. In California, there is a law that if anyone (private home owner or business) generates electicity from wind or solar power, the power companies have to buy the excess from them. I prefer the tax incentive idea myself, as the free market generally is more effecient than government mandates at driving such fundamental changes in business. Energy independance of the United States would radically change the geo-political landscape. I've got to wonder: do we produce more tons of carbon-based waste products in this country than we use tons of carbon-based POL?
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This is very interesting stuff. I had gotten a few press releases on it and pretty much dismissed it off hand as another biodiesel concept (I've actually toured a biodiesel refinery where they make diesel out of animal and vegetable grease) which is effective but not very cost effective. Worth dusting off those releases and making a few calls :)
Charon
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Sabre:
If the process works as well as its creators claim, not only would most toxic waste problems become history, so would imported oil. Just converting all the U.S. agricultural waste into oil and gas would yield the energy equivalent of 4 billion barrels of oil annually. In 2001 the United States imported 4.2 billion barrels of oil.
Of course, it's rare that anything turns out as good as it is touted right out of the gate. I doubt this is either.
But it looks like they're saying it'd be about a wash converting ag waste when compared to currently imported oil.
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Soylent Oil is Turkey!!!
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Imagine what we could do with America's current abundance of landfills! (realizing that I live across the street from one)
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the texans wont like this one bit. kind of makes all that stuff in the ground worthless, or wait nevermind! texas gets paid to take other states trash they are sitting on an even bigger goldmine!
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NO TURKEYBLOOD FOR OIL!
But seriously... I couldn't get past the picture that accompanied the article. Very baroque... Rubensesque....
Now it's time to play: "Spot the Turkey Guts!"
(http://modena.intergate.ca/personal/cwharton/sbm/turkeyguts.jpg)
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Originally posted by Nash
NO TURKEYBLOOD FOR OIL!
LOL
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allmost every wastewater plant uses some form of co generation right now.. mostly in the form of digester gas used to power generators.
this other thing sounds good tho... finally a use for AH maw guys... feeding my el camino... 468 would use up a lot of maw and probly have to add octane booster but worth it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
allmost every wastewater plant uses some form of co generation right now.. mostly in the form of digester gas used to power generators.
this other thing sounds good tho... finally a use for AH maw guys... feeding my el camino... 468 would use up a lot of maw and probly have to add octane booster but worth it.
lazs
ROFLMAO!!!:D