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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on April 25, 2003, 11:05:32 AM
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Welcome to the Continuation War Finland/Russia 1944.
This a-historical setup is an extension of the Russian-German war. It's May, 1944 and the two sides are still fighting for Leningrad as the German war machine starts to loose steam - or has it?
Arena Settings:
DAR: Full friendly, 1500 ft for radar pickup
Objects: (AAA,FH,etc) 30 minutes downtime
Fuel: 1.2
Morning: 5:45am
Evening: 6:45pm
AAA: .7
All other settings CT norms.
Aircraft:
Russia
La-5FN
Yak-9T/U
P-40E
A-20
IL-2
B-26
C-47
Panzer
Tiger (T-34)
M series
Ostie
Germany/Finland
Brewster
Hurri I
Bf 109F4/G2/G6/G10
Bf 110G-2
Fw 190A-5/8/F-8
Stuka
Ju 88A-4
C-47
Panzer
Tiger
Ostie
M series
Notes:
Vehicle Hangars have certain aircraft enabled as well. Germany: Brewster, Hurri I, Ju-87
Russia: P-40E, IL-2
Bf 109G-10 is perked at 2. Tigers at 3
Ships have LVT's, guns, and PT boats enabled.
Enjoy!
Fork
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Hello MrFork and thank You hosting my FinRus!
I just were on the CT-arena and there is a little mess with setup... Look your mailbox, please, I send to you the same historical setup list than to Sabre in last month!
Maybe it help's you, because the field setup is very difficult in the FinRus map because of the Finnish/Germany bases.;)
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Plane set is messed up. Both sides have same planes and there is no G-10,A-8, or 9U's.
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Mr Fork,
I have an interesting question.
You show the Brewster as being in one of the plane sets.
I was not aware that the Brewster -Buffalo had been
model in AH.
Did you perhaps mean that the Hurri-I would be a
stand in for the Brewster?
Thanks.
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I believe the FM2 is the sub for the Brewster.
Jospe
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Since the G10 is perked at 2 point, I recommend the Yak9U would be perked at 1 point.
Originally posted by Jospe2
I believe the FM2 is the sub for the Brewster.
Correct.
See you in the CT! :D
Camo
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It's not the Brewster Buffalo. It's the fediddleing Super Buffalo of Death. :D
The F2A (which is basically what the Finnish Buffalo was, tho I think it was designated the B-239 or something like that) and the F4F-8 (which is basically what a FM-2 is, it's just General Motor's version of Grumman's Wildcat) have very little in common other than the F2A is the grandfather of the F4F-8 and both have four 0.50 MGs. ;) If our F4F-4 could be forced to use the 4 0.50's package, I think it'd be a better sub for the Buffalo.
Then again, the La5's will have their hands full with the G-2/G-6, and even more so when a perked G-10 comes around. :)
Thank heavens for no lend lease Hurri IIc's. It's nice to have a Russian setup without them for once. :)
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Woo Hoo back to the Yak attack love the 9T dont fly the 9U much might try it out.
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"It's not the Brewster Buffalo. It's the fediddleing Super Buffalo of Death"
LOL:)
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ty ty ty
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you really should have the f4f and not the fm2 in there, but the fins want to be uber. why else would they remove the hurri 2c
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you really should have the f4f and not the fm2 in there, but the fins want to be uber. why else would they remove the hurri 2c
This is host's setup. not Finn's. I have made the Russian skin to Hurri II and my opinion is that it must be there. Mr Fork, why not?:confused:
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Man, no offence, but how many times has this type of Russian winter setup been run in the last few months? :confused:
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no kidding kevin. Pacific, russia. europe, russia. med, russia. Africa, russia.
YAWN
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Bear up me Hardies! Good times they be coming!
Get your maintance done - won't be long before it will be time to turn them into the wind.
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ah the sea air:D
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
you really should have the f4f and not the fm2 in there, but the fins want to be uber. why else would they remove the hurri 2c
If I remember right FiAF Brewster (with DC-3 engine) performance was between F4F-4 and FM2.
FM2 is about 20mph faster and could carry more laod than light and more agile FiAF Brewster.
FM2 IS super Brewster but is it Uber vs La5, P40E or Yak9U/T?
Check out NetAces Plane Performance (http://www.netaces.org/ahplanes/comparisons/comparisons.html#title) pages and make your mind.
BTW I would take anytime FiAF Brewster with 3 x .50 cal + 1 x .30 cal guns instead of FM2 in FinRus setup.
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Eagler gets a 109...AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh
I'm ded
:eek:
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Just to give people perspective on set up rotation, here's the history of the CT set ups for this year:
Jan 03 - Jan 09 > Mr Fork > Kuriels: Russian vs Japan
Jan 10 - Jan 16 > Brady > Perdonia: German vs American
Jan 17 - Jan 23 > Sabre > BoB Map: British vs German
Jan 24 - Jan 30 > Jarbo > PTO: Allied vs Japanese
Jan 31 - Feb 06 > Mr Fork > Fin-Rus Map: Russian vs Fin/German
Feb 07 - Feb 13 > Brady > Hungary Map: Russian vs German
Feb 14 - Feb 20 > Jarbo > Burma: Allied vs Japanese: Early War
Feb 21 - Feb 27 > Sabre > Rhine: Allied vs German - Late war
Feb 28 - Mar 06 > Mr Fork > Greece: Allies vs German 1943
Mar 07 - Mar 13 > Brady > Soloman: Allies vs Japanese - Late 1942/Early 43
Mar 14 - Mar 20 > Sabre > Fin-Russia: German vs Russian 1944
Mar 21 - Mar 27 > Jarbo > Tunisa: Allied vs German - 1943
Mar 28 - Apr 03 > Mr Fork > Rhine: 1944 German vs Allies
Apr 04 - Apr 10 > Brady > SLot 43: Japanese vs Allies
Apr 11 - Apr 17 > Sabre > Baltic: Russia vs German
Apr 18 - Apr 24 > Jarbo > Phillipines: Japanese vs Allies- Late War
Apr 25 – May 01 > Fork > Fin-Rus: Germans/Fins vs Rus- May 44
Frankly, I love this terrain and this set up. Had a great fight over the weekend with a couple of La5's against my lone uber-Brewster. They had altitude on me, and I thought they were gonna clean my chronometer. Unfortunately for them, they blew their altitude advantage and could never get their attacks synchronized. Both went down and I landed with a damaged flap. Man, I love that FM2!
Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
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I noticed you like this scenario.
;)
Could we do something p38ish next? Something where the majority of allied aircraft would be the p38? I would like to both fly them and fight them. THis would be european theater of course.
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Malta, South Italy? dont remember the last time we saw this ?
Jospe
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I believe one of our new CT Staffers is planning something along those lines. Don't quote me of course, as plans can change.
Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
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I think this setup was much funner without the 109g10, and yak9u .
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Could we do something p38ish next? Something where the majority of allied aircraft would be the p38? I would like to both fly them and fight them. THis would be european theater of course.
Both the 8th AF and the 9th AF used P-38's in the Western Europe theater.
P-38L, P-47's, P-51's, B-17, B-26, A-20 vs 109-G's, 190's (all of 'em), Ju88, Me110-G2 would be a pretty good matchup. I guess you could even leave the 109F-4 for those that like it more than the G's (I think Eagler prefers the F-4.)
Of course if you have Runstangs, that'll be the plane you see the most from the Allieds. ;)
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Well just pull the runstang! I would rather see what the p38 can do on both sides than what a p38 with a mustang flitting about can do. No reason to keep it that real.
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Unless memory serves me poorly, I believe the bulk of the P-51's were stationed in England as bomber escorts. So, if you use the Rhine terrain, the above planeset minus the P-51 would be fairly historical and balanced. Of course, the 109G-10 would be a handful, but how often does the LW have an advantage?
Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
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Which do you think handles better? g10 or the 38?
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Ya 4 of those set up's above have had P38's in them but as mentioned above they were not used to much since their were better fighters(more popular) ones available. I am very found of the P38 having spent a ton of time in it in the MA, back when I played for rank in their it was my Attack plane, doing a CT set up that featured it is certainly posable, it might be to much for the Pac plane set but certainly doable for the Europeen one.
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There were P51's in either North Africa or Southern Italy
Escorts for the 15th Air force...the 99th (Redtails) were there for sure
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P-51B would be cool with the P-38 and P47s
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Yes it would be cool, but would defeat the purpose. I say no runstang if this setup ever sees the light of day.
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the 109f and the 109g6 is all we need
yes, pls find a way to get that big fat target called a P38 in CT asap :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
the 109f and the 109g6 is all we need
for you maybe! I'm not that good in 109's yet. I need the G-10's power to get my butt outta the situations I get myself into! :D
Ooo, Sabre that would rock! do a 9th AF vs LW setup. Leave out the B-17 and P-51 (mostly used by the 8th AF). Oh, and as to when the LW has an advantage? Anytime there's a Me262 in the setup. ;) Honestly though, the 109G-10 saw action months before either the P-38L or P-47D-30. It should be included in a setup featuring the P-38L or P-47D-30. :)
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lancaster in for the liberator?
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Here you go:
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/Snoopy_sm.gif)
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Originally posted by ergRTC
lancaster in for the liberator?
wouldn't really be necessary. The 9th AF used B-26's and A-20's mostly for their bombing sorties. Combine that with the P-38 and P-47D-30's ordnance capabilities and the Allieds will have significant strike capabilities without a heavy bomber. The 8th AF was the one with the B-24's and B-17's for strategic strikes. The 9th AF was more tactical strikes, if I am not mistaken. :)
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The 109G-10 entered service in October 1944.
P38L (and P38J-25) July 44 in the ETO.
I dont have an exact date for the P47D-30 off hand, but it was in service by September 1944. P-47D-25 (May 1944) is a better choice, or even the P-47D-11.
Sancho probably has the exact dates for the 47s im sure.
For info.
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what's your source on the 109G-10? Funkedup (I think) posted a list way back when that had the 109G-10 as in service on March 1944 and no one disputed it when it was posted, IIRC.
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I havent found an exact date for the G-10 yet but March is probably right. The 109K entered service in Oct. '44.
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was flying in CT last night, fantastic setup guys - really enjoyed it
will be there a lot the next few years until trinity is reset :D
I really like the fields on the map, wouldn't look out of place in a WWI setup!
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and nifty! answer my MLS post on the O'Club please :D
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85655&highlight=MLS
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Originally posted by Furball
and nifty! answer my MLS post on the O'Club please :D
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85655&highlight=MLS
I wrote a dissertation for you in that thread! thanks for pointing it out, I missed it the other day. :)
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I have seen the March 1944 date posted before, but I dont beleive its correct.
For starters I will give this link that includes the service dates for all the LW day fighters in the JGs from 3/42 to 12/44:
http://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/bjagd.htm
JG77 has the earliest entry there, for 10/44.
I have seen no book that gives a date prior to 10/44, and there are many internet sources that quote 10/44, I will leave one here, by Richard Corey, he has his sources at the bottom of the article:
http://www.yumodel.co.yu/batajnica_air_show/a_tale_of_two_me109s.htm
The 109K and 109G-10 were both delayed by the DB605D engine development, they were in fact, delivered at almost the same time, in the Fall of 1944. Both types were in service after the 109G-14.
The first large scale use of either type was "Bodenplatte" in January 1st, 1945. I dont mean 1st mission, I just mean used in significant #s.
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Thanks Squire.