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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Cherlie on April 26, 2003, 09:34:25 PM
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Separately, The Sunday Times reported that its own journalists had found documents in the Iraqi foreign ministry that indicate that France gave Saddam Hussein's regime regular reports on its dealings with American officials.
The newspaper said the documents reveal that Paris shared with Baghdad the contents of private transatlantic meetings and diplomatic traffic from Washington.
One document, dated September 25, 2001, from Iraqi foreign minister Naji Sabri to Saddam's palace, was based on a briefing from the French ambassador in Baghdad and covered talks between presidents Jacques Chirac and George W. Bush.
First Russia, now France........
I think it is time to for the french and russains to have an econimic downfall.
CB
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of course we knew this all along didnt we?
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None of this should surprise any of you. The French are heavily economically tied to Iraq, as are the Russians. THe real shame is that anyone gives either country credibility after their shennanigans.
At least we can look on the bright side, we'll get to see some assinine comments by BLitz, Siaf, Boroda, and Dowding explaining why the US and Britain are so horrible again... LMFAO :D
Shoot away liberals.... shoot away!
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France is a threat to Amerika in no way, it ist just plane redikqulous.
Not a surprise - looking forward to our "behind the scenes" response. France has realy shot themselves in the foot here...
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an ecinomic downfall for russia...i dont think that its possible to get lower than they already are
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I find it funny that one journalist is all the time finding these things against the french.
You'd think the coalition forces would have long ago 'evacuated' such files for useful reading...
Also you'd expect lots more journalist to find these than a certain group.
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LIES!
Thats fast becoming the standard anti-war lemming crowd response to anything we find in iraq...
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I'm not playing word games - the intent of what I said is perfectly clear...
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Anything - so far pretty much any report had been called a lie. Others even said they would consider reports from coalition sources to be lies out of hand.
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Look at how they (u know who) responded in the British MP saddam bribery thread - to them it was all lies even with multiple sources..
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He has no argument. First he implies its one lying journalist finding these documents then he implies its a "certain group" of lying jouranlists that are finding them. First it was revealed that the russions were spying for the iraqis, now its revealed that the french were doing the same, and guess what those were the two countries oppoaing us the must - now perhaps we know another reason they didnt want us snooping around in iraq. Same for that $10 mil brit MP. And before any of try to marginalize the imact journalists have its widely ackgnowledged that only 2 clever reporters were largely responsible for the process that brought down the nixon adminstaration. So I wouldnt count them out for these stories.,
As for the press in general I think they have done a fanatastic job on this war. The pro war patriotic real americans* think the press is a bunch of left wing commie defeatist nutjobs while the saddam loving leftist anti-iraqi liberation USA hating degenerates* think the press is a bunch subserviant nazi military controlled robots. So in retrospect I think the press did a fine job.
*characterisations deliberatly exaggerated for humor effect :)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
LIES!
Thats fast becoming the standard anti-war lemming crowd response to anything we find in iraq...
Now, not finding any WMDs, the terrorist aproach will just make this whole war legitime, wonŽt it?
Not the first time that thereŽs been false papers around, to legimate the attack/war. (Nigerian Nuclear stuff).
I also find that US actully is taking control of the IRAQ oil, to rebuild the damaged that their bombs made.
All contracts for the build up, will go to US companies.
"To think that US needs Iraqien Oil is a totaly absurd thought"
I also heard that theres Kids in the "warcamp" in Cuba, haveŽnt US broken enough international laws?
"And the number of the beast was: 666"
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Put down the crack pipe carbofix....
For the rest of us:
Note the subtle implied "Amreeka the Great Satan" label with the 666 reference.
:D
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(http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/images/bios_school_willie.gif) "Bonjour, you cheese-eatin' surrender-monkeys."
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Grunherz,
"certain group" pretty much means this one journalists group.
I doubt this reporter knows much of the language, so he will need a translator and he can also have some co-worker(s) with him.
and I did no direct 'lie' accusation there, I simply said I'm bit sceptical about all these serious accusations by some journalist, whos once again "found" documents from an agency.
Theres been no official word yet.
I don't take news papers accusations based on one journalist as any kind of conclusive evidence.
Theres a history full of similar kind of hyberdoles by journalists, which have proven to be false.
Or what was with the hyperdoling of found WMD plants, which later on, in an official announcement, proven to be false.
News agencies just took all out of it without questioning much and even adding their own speculations in their articles, to make it even further interesting read.
So go figure.
Can I apply to be a journalist and then reveal secret a coup against french goverment from some US agency and without further proofs, tell the world about it?-)
Hmm.. yes I could.
But would anyone really believe? no... people wouldn't really believe in it, they aren't expecting such things.
Aren't you guilty of something here, Grunherz?
You're immediatly claiming I said it's an outright lie, when I were just being sceptic. :rolleyes:
It is easier being in denial than accept controversary views.
btw. it's an anti-french US right now, it wouldn't surprise me at all if some journalist would make up something about french connections with Iraq - h-ell, that would sell alot!
People are DROOLING over anything anti-french and the news agency would be having only a very small risk of loosing money in it compared to the gains.
How much do you figure the sunday times has gained with this news or the journalist himself?
I remind you once again; news agencies have done it several times and yet again in the past, what would stop them now?
Any source like that, is not worth believing stone hard until theres further proofs/word on it.
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Fine fishu but what if these documents are verified as real? Will you still be skeptical?
Let me put it this way:
Do you think at this time that these documents are made up and false and you have cause to think they are false or in some way falsified?
And please tell me specifically which individual journalist and what group of journalists you are taling about.
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Lets see, both Russia and France support a nation that supports terrorism. The US policy is that it will go after any nation which support terrorism. So why isn't Bush screaming and posturing that we invade France and Russia to rid them of their evil terrorist-supporting regimes?
If the downfall of the Hussein regime will have such a great economic impact on these countries I can only wonder how long it will be before some Russian made nuke finds its way into terrorist hands and detonated in downtown D.C.
Sounds like Bush's tough-guy "you are either with us against terrorism or against us" speech after 9-11 can be equated to his daddy's "no new taxes" fable.
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Lets see, both Russia and France support a nation that supports terrorism. The US policy is that it will go after any nation which support terrorism. So why isn't Bush screaming and posturing that we invade France and Russia to rid them of their evil terrorist-supporting regimes?
They have Nukes?
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sacrebleu
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Crabofix,
I suggest you put down the crack pipe, let your eyes and mind clear up for a few days, and take a look at the real world. You might actually see some things that would surprise even you noncombatant Swedes.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Crabofix,
I suggest you put down the crack pipe, let your eyes and mind clear up for a few days, and take a look at the real world. You might actually see some things that would surprise even you noncombatant Swedes.
ok, they dont have Nukes?
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Lets see, both Russia and France support a nation that supports terrorism. The US policy is that it will go after any nation which support terrorism. So why isn't Bush screaming and posturing that we invade France and Russia to rid them of their evil terrorist-supporting regimes?
Because there is a difference between a nation that supports terrorism, and a nation that supports a nation that supports terrorism?
Get an education.
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Grunherz,
This one: "The Sunday Times reported that its own journalists"
Should be pretty obvious even without saying so?
All I've heard so far about the documents, has been of some journalist finding such documents.
So far it's all based on a single journalist or a group working for sunday times.
Dmdbt,
France has nukes :>
Besides it would cause a war between US and EU
At least I wouldn't eat it up that US controls other countries just because it thinks terrorizm iz badd and uses that as a right to tell other countries what to do.
No sire, Bush can only tell his country to do something, not the others.
Besides that, Bush is an idiot anyway and talks crap.
aka osama is 1st priority and suddenly it turns to "not our priority".
Crabofix,
I think Bohdi needs to study French nuke arsenal a little..
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Originally posted by Fishu
Besides it would cause a war between US and EU
Oh, so France are part of EU? Would EU support France, if sanctions took place?
I can clearly see the looser in that game,,,,,,,:D
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Fk france now.. too Who needs em..
Not america... auvoir
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Originally posted by crabofix
Oh, so France are part of EU? Would EU support France, if sanctions took place?
I can clearly see the looser in that game,,,,,,,:D
US cannot afford to sanction whole EU.
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Originally posted by Fishu
US cannot afford to sanction whole EU.
Neither can the EU.
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in fact it's very simple : "Divide ut imperes!" apply here.
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Uh??? did they find oil in France too???:D
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at leaste they arent claiming wmd every day now, glad to see they are branching out on more crative lies.
they way bush is acting do you think we have any allies that don't "need" us?
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
at leaste they arent claiming wmd every day now, glad to see they are branching out on more crative lies.
Gscholz and everyone else, you see what I mean?
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Hmm, so this is a surprise?
No doubt you are aware that in Gulf War 1, the French Defence Minister, Jean-Pierre Chevenement, directed his senior commander in the Gulf to forward regular updates to him on the allied planning for Desert Storm.
Not really a problem, except that M. Chevenement also happened to be a member of an organisation known as the French-Iraq Friendship Society.
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Originally posted by Kadesh
Hmm, so this is a surprise?
No doubt you are aware that in Gulf War 1, the French Defence Minister, Jean-Pierre Chevenement, directed his senior commander in the Gulf to forward regular updates to him on the allied planning for Desert Storm.
Not really a problem, except that M. Chevenement also happened to be a member of an organisation known as the French-Iraq Friendship Society.
Strange affirmation whne you know that Chevenement was not any more a minister during 1st gulf war ...
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yup. However, no wmd have been found, yet several reports of such finds have been made by various "news" agencies. Fox News comes to mind.
Edit: But you are right. Some people have made up their mind ... on both sides.
Sounds like you fit into the category of having made up your mind?
NOT FOX NEWS:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/28/sprj.irq.main/index.html
Hmmmm, you think the apparent objectivity of the testing being done here is a ruse?
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Yea whats with this automatic ignorant euro thing hatred of fox news, do you think they lie and deliberatly present false news coverage?
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the foundation for making this aggressive move against Irak have been on the presumption that Irak DID HAVE WMD's.....
WMD's have not been found......
your President is still confident that you will find some.......
we(the world community) are still waiting......we are patient.....even if it takes 12 years:D
psst...at least you'll have 12 years of cheap oil :p
as for the French....well there just as stupid as you.....and everyone else.
keep talking about french and i'm gonna start thinking your jealous of em:D
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Originally posted by SLO
we(the world community) are still waiting......we are patient.....even if it takes 12 years:D
I'd still like to know what you'll do either way.
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Originally posted by SLO
the foundation for making this aggressive move against Irak have been on the presumption that Irak DID HAVE WMD's.....
WMD's have not been found......
your President is still confident that you will find some.......
we(the world community) are still waiting......we are patient.....even if it takes 12 years:D
psst...at least you'll have 12 years of cheap oil :p
as for the French....well there just as stupid as you.....and everyone else.
keep talking about french and i'm gonna start thinking your jealous of em:D
actually, the foundation for the war in Iraq was non compliance of UN resolutions.
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A blonde bought a new Lexus, and returned the next day, complaining that the radio didn't work.
The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated. "Watch this!" he said..."Nelson!" The radio
replied, "Ricky or Willie?" "Willie!" he continued....and "On The Road Again" came from the speakers.
She drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time she'd say, "Beethoven", she'd get beautiful classical music, and if she said, "Beatles!" she'd get one of theirs.
One day, a couple of kids in hot rod cars ran a red light as they raced each other down the road and nearly creamed her new car. Luckily she was able to swerve in time to avoid them.
'extrahunkS!" she yelled.....and the radio began to play the French National Anthem.
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. . . . . bragged that in France there are 43 ways to make love. I told him I only knew one. He asked what that one was so I said, "Well, there.s a man and a woman and . ."
My French friend cut in, "Alor! Ze forty fourth way!!"
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Has anyone yet realised that americans are being more anti- than whole europe together?
I mean, all this bashing, name changing, boycotting...
And yet we, europeans, have many times heard americans telling us we're anti-american, because many europeans just didn't agree with the offensive war, aka "pre-emptive defensive war".
:rolleyes:
Now which is more anti-country?
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Originally posted by Fishu
Has anyone yet realised that americans are being more anti- than whole europe together?
You ain't seen nothing yet.
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Originally posted by crabofix
They have Nukes?
Don't be so ignorant....would we have gone into Kuwait in 91 if Saddam had nukes at that time....no....not in the sam way we did then.
To compare our tactics against an enemy with nukes versus one without and to then say we don't have the stones to carry out our foriegn policy is ignorant.
There are many ways to defeat an enemy....military force is only one option.
If ya don't like Bush, then at least have the character to admit it rather than ramble on about issues you your ignorant of.
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Originally posted by Rude
There are many ways to defeat an enemy....military force is only one option.
Well said Rude. Anyone that doesn't believe it oughta ask the former USSR (RIP).
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Originally posted by Fishu
Has anyone yet realised that americans are being more anti- than whole europe together?
I mean, all this bashing, name changing, boycotting...
And yet we, europeans, have many times heard americans telling us we're anti-american, because many europeans just didn't agree with the offensive war, aka "pre-emptive defensive war".
:rolleyes:
Now which is more anti-country?
Fishu....
The difference between the US and Europe for the most part is this....we are, as a nation, not interested in a one world, UN directed, world court ordering, Kioto treaty loving group of citizens.
Unlike most countries in Europe, we are able to sustain ourselves without much help or cooperation....should we all try to get along and would that be in everyones best interest? Sure it would....but not at the expense of who we are as a nation.
I know that bothers much of Europe and they feel we should cooperate more with the goals and ideas born there, but we are who we are....it's not that you or the people of Europe have become our enemies due to opposing views, it's that the governments actively tried to prevent us from what we felt needed to be done. That made it a different animal altogether.
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Originally posted by Rude
If ya don't like Bush, then at least have the character to admit it rather than ramble on about issues you your ignorant of.
Lord Dolf Vader, you reading this?
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Originally posted by Rude
If ya don't like Bush, then at least have the character to admit it rather than ramble on about issues you your ignorant of.
Thanks! It's not every day I get a compliment on my strength of character. I don't like Dubya, never liked Dubya, and can hardly wait to vote his sorry backside out of the Whitehouse.
Of course this don't necessarily mean I won't be rambling about issues you're ignorant of.
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Rude,
Hail Bush and the aryans.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Rude,
Hail Bush and the aryans.
Yeah, that racist Bush and all those damn male aryans in his cabinet. :rolleyes:
For your teeth gnashing pleasure:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html
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AKIron, they're political stance is so weak, the race card always comes up. See it as a sign of weakness for them. ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
AKIron, they're political stance is so weak, the race card always comes up. See it as a sign of weakness for them. ;)
Thought I smelled blood. ;)
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OMG they are now calling bush's cabinet racist, lemme guess its sexist too?
This gets funnier and funnier, more sad and more sad... :D
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Originally posted by Martlet
actually, the foundation for the war in Iraq was non compliance of UN resolutions.
Then when is the US going to go to war against the isrealis?? How many non-compliance of UN sanctions resolutions have they ignored? (with US backing in some instances)
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GRUNHERZ are you parents brother and sister?
If there is a psychiatrist living near your trailor park, I suggest you sell some used car parts and go see him/her.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Then when is the US going to go to war against the isrealis?? How many non-compliance of UN sanctions resolutions have they ignored? (with US backing in some instances)
We'll go against the Israelis right after we go to war against ourselves for the resolutions re: Nicaragua.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Then when is the US going to go to war against the isrealis?? How many non-compliance of UN sanctions resolutions have they ignored? (with US backing in some instances)
You tell me. Which UN Resolution has Israel not complied with?
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Then when is the US going to go to war against the isrealis?? How many non-compliance of UN sanctions resolutions have they ignored?
How many under Chapter VI and how many under Chapter VII?
Do you understand that difference? List if you will, any UN backed war that was against a nation that had only violated a Chapter VI resolution.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
GRUNHERZ are you parents brother and sister?
If there is a psychiatrist living near your trailor park, I suggest you sell some used car parts and go see him/her.
The gay canadian idiot, takes aim - shoots, misses by a mile!!!!
:rolleyes:
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I got some more canadian money today as change.....
pisses me off cause I just have to throw it away.. no merchants here will except it...
I give the bank what looks like about $1.80 in canadian and the bank teller laughs at me and says would you like 10 pennies, 2 nickels, or a Dime... I asked for the pennies cause it made some noise as I walked out the door..
More fricken charity I can't even deduct from my taxes next year..
At least the canadians could go back to exchanging livestock for goods.. then I could at least get a fair trade for my hard earned doallers...
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Originally posted by AKIron
Yeah, that racist Bush and all those damn male aryans in his cabinet. :rolleyes:
For your teeth gnashing pleasure:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html
Wow... that Secretary of the Interior is a BABE! I say we need more babes runnin the govt!