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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Blank on April 27, 2003, 07:28:56 PM
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ok well, haven't been flying much recently but have just upgraded my pc to:
Athlon XP 2400
Asus A7n8x delux
Hercules radeon 9700 PRO128 mb
512mb pc3200 ram
cable broadband
this is from a:
Asus A7V
1.1ghz athlon
geforce 2 gts 64 mb
512mb pc133 ram
cable broadband
but anyway the point is in my first three sorties in 2 months (very outta practic) and I get 15 kills for 0 deaths, all air 2 air kills
11 kills = 109g10
4 kills = Ta152
I have never done this well so it must be down to better pc, so my question is: are the Uber pilot really good or do they just have Uber PC's + connects, because if I can do this well (very average pilot) surely anyone can given the advantage of a good pc and connect?
I've always thought this but never been able to quantify it but now I can see the benifits myself.
Gives me more respect for guys like slowhand and Furball (pre new pc) that used to kick arse on their slow machines.
would be interesting to see what the guys in the shootout have for machine Specs and latency.
:)
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Well I HOPE that's it...
Add to that broadband connects and that would go along way in explaining why I suck..
I'm two steps from suckin on a gunbarrel at this point..
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Originally posted by Blank
would be interesting to see what the guys in the shootout have for machine Specs and latency.
Athlon XP1600
256mb DDR
GF3 Ti200 128mb
running at 1280x1024 Av FPS around the 50-75 mark.
Cable modem running at 128k (yes, V. slow) ping 110-120ms
Gatso
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XP1700
Soltek SL-75DRV5
Triplex Silver GeForce4 Ti 4200 64mb 3.3ns
256 mb Corsair XMS DDR PC3000
60gb Maxtor HD ata133
thats the main stuff..i use a Supra Express modem to connect. Earthlink is my ISP and I generally have very low latency and pings in the 120ms range.
As far as the shootout goes...i don't figure to have a prayer but what the heh....
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I bought my computer a year ago...Specs arent even close to what the fellas above have..heh
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Only difference I noticed when I went from a P3 800mhz/TNT2 to an XP2200+/gf4ti4200 was the ability to ID dots at long ranges (from higher res), and to read my ammo counter without zooming in on it (also from higher resolution). Once I'm in a dogfight, the new PC is no real advantage except framerates and higher res, which is just eye candy anyway.
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Yea, its probably a small advantage depending on how crappy your system is. If you get 5 frames per second, you'll be to choppy to fight so it doesnt really matter how good you are. High FPS (probably 50 and up) would probably increase your accuracy since the planes won't skip across the screen.
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don't know if this is true in aces high or not.......................... .
I have 2 computers on a home lan
comp1) 2.4ghz g force3 ti 64mg
comp2) 8oomgz. gforce 4 mx 64 mg
i lined up two identical cars (midtown madness 2) on a straight road and raced them. I would have thought they would have tied, but with the slower computer car with lower frame rates.....
the better computer car CRUSHED the other car. not even a close race
i think i'll line up 2 ponys on my lan and see if this is the same here also.
tapakeg
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Uber pc get more kills !
i think not , but a machine running Aces High on 70 Fps or more is good , but thats not youre computer but youre G-Card . I run a :
Xp1700
G-Force 4 128 DDR
thats the Computer and it runns AH on steady 85 fps
But the computer and G-Card aint everything , most people tend to forget there monitor . i have a
Sony 24 " Widescreen RGB monitor
That gives you "true" colors (RGB connectors sending 3 split colors in diffrent cables to monitor ) . Im running 1280x920 and with that ressulotion i have larger enemys then most people have making aiming easyer .
99JANN
99th ASTAG
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having gone from a 333 p2 with a decent vid card (5-35fps, depending) to a 2.6 p4 with a fiiiiine vid card (steady 85fps, except at times it may drop to maybe 50's if extremely busy area), i'll be the first to say the biggest difference is in hit %...
a smoother view 85 compared to say 25 makes it easier to line up on targets. other than this increase from avg 7% to 11% in gunnery, there's not much difference.
but... it doesn't help me get into position for shots any better.
i'd say if someone averages a steady 40+ fps there will not be much difference.... it's when one falls below 25fps that things get harder to hit.
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I think above a certain functinal level it doesnt matter as much. Like everything else there is a decreasing marginal return effect.
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If your system can give you 30-35 fpm during the fight with many enemy planes around, it is ok. If it can't -- then you shall go for upgrade. Find a bottleneck, the component which gives you a most performance hit, and change it. AH is an old game, it does not require a moster computers. Even AHII has a testing system which is well bellow todays mid end gamers systems, so I think that even with AHII many people will not need an upgrade.
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Aces High depends on the video-card more than anything. The processor doesn't really need to be that good to get good framerates. Unlike non-multiplier games there aren't really any ai to speak of that requirces it's power.
I'm running on an extremely skewed setup, with a P3-800 and a GF4 Ti4400, and I can get 50+ FPS in just about any situations. It's a decent improvement over when I ran it with a GF2, but like someone said, if you got around 30 FPS during normal firing situations it's not really noticeable.
I remember a HUGE difference when I changed from my P2-300 + Voodoo 2, that only at best situations gave me 20 FPS. Suddenly gunnery (and following a bogey at tree-top level) was so much easier.
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Blank - definitely. I remember languishing in WB with an AMD450MHz K6-3. Flying the 109F I would have to POUR ammo onto a target just to get it smoking. Sometimes he would jink out, and nail me - the first few rounds having done nothing more than to alert him to my presence.
Two years ago, I upgraded to the current AMD Athlon 1.2GHz and Elsa Gladiac Ultra vidcard. (Gives me 60-80 fps in AH flights). And the very next thing I did was to get a 7-kill sortie in the same 109F. Only a few rounds needed. It's in those snapshot situations that you'll see the most difference.
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Up untill just a few months ago I was still using a P-II 350. My FPS were from 25 down to 5. It made it really hard to fight well.
My new machine usually pegs out at 100.
eskimo
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Where are all the "order your new computer now" website links? Are you guys sure your not computer salesmen in disguise? I am P2-550 w/ TNT2 Video card. I have had rubber bullet syndrome for a long time. Now I will be out looking for at least a new video card.
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Originally posted by tracerx
Where are all the "order your new computer now" website links? Are you guys sure your not computer salesmen in disguise? I am P2-550 w/ TNT2 Video card. I have had rubber bullet syndrome for a long time. Now I will be out looking for at least a new video card.
well.. ya could run out and snatch ya up a GF4 Ti4200 card.. but yer bottleneck would be yer processor.
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Originally posted by tracerx
Where are all the "order your new computer now" website links? Are you guys sure your not computer salesmen in disguise? I am P2-550 w/ TNT2 Video card. I have had rubber bullet syndrome for a long time. Now I will be out looking for at least a new video card.
if you're seeing rubber buwwets, it may be something else.... like FSAA being enabled.. but dunno if you card has that feature.... i kind of doubt it. but...
also do you have vsync enabled? if not you migt gain more fps at the expense of rubber buwwets.
what snefens and beetle said about gunnery... particularly the snapshots.
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Thanks Caveman and Shane, It might just be that my gunnery stinks too. :p I am building a coalition now to get the New Gaming Computer Bill through the appropriation committee (my wife). I am afraid I might have to add on too much pork (new shoes, clothes, and maybe an exotic vacation) in order to do so. Knowing that it might make me a better pilot helps me to swallow some of these concessions. :D
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tracerx -
I would caution against buying a boxed computer, if you're considering an upgrade. To play games like AH, we need specialised kit - particularly with regard to the graphics card. A boxed computer may well have a card that's "adequate for most applications", but not for PC gaming. So you end up having to rip it out and buying another one. Best bet is to build your own PC, or have someone do it for you - not difficult.
Having said all that, Skuzzy has made assurances that a card like the Radeon 9700 thing would be adequate for all future releases of AH. Ie they're not going to be like Brand-W and require subscribers to upgrade to vastly expensive cards.
I'm waiting to see how AH2 looks before my next upgrade.
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Duely noted Beet1e. I have built my last two computers. I splurged and got the first all-in-wonder card ATI put out, and got a TNT2 card pretty early in its development, but haven't done anything since then. I think that your suggestion to wait till AH2 comes out is a great idea. However, I hope I don't fall under the minimum specs.
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Correct me if I wrong ... but doesnt the human eye only read about 40fps. So there would be no way to "see" the difference between 40 and 100fps. So if your machine is getting anywhere from 35 up... a new machine with more frames isnt really going to help much.
Going to a High resolution may help, which a new machine could do, will give better eye candy and might aid a little.
I have my Frames per second limited to 45, As I understand... when in the thick smoke your computer doesnt have to attempt to draw more than 45, so you have a better chance of maintaining decent frame rates. That might be rumor thou.
Iv got AH running on few machines of Various speeds, I dont see a huge difference between them. Iv also done H2H over the Lan and there is no speed differnce between like planes.
I dont think a better PC makes you a better pilot, It really comes down to basic skills and SA.
I noted the plane types, both are excellent planes for watching for a safe kill. Id guess that would be the reason your dying less. And if you flew them before, then perhaps your judgment is better and your SA is better.
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Originally posted by beet1e
tracerx -
I would caution against buying a boxed computer, if you're considering an upgrade.
My old gaming machine died about the time I decided to quit AH about a year ago. I bought a boxed computer, an emachine 2080, which did everything I needed, and could even run AH at 800 x 600 16bit. When I started getting back in to AH recently I just stuck in an AGP Radeon 9000 and it works fine, 75 fps at 12xx X 10xx, dropping to about 60 in serious clouds, smoke, and other planes. So, for under $800 I got great gaming, DVD, RW CD, 10/100 hookup and more useless "free" programs than you can shake a stick at. As a matter of fact, the only bad thing about "Boxed" is all the pop-up/auto update crap you gotta disable.
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A break usualy helps, no need of a biger puter. After a break I fly quite ok for a week or two... then, I'm back to my usual dweebnessing ...
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I thought the human eye could only distinguish up to around 25fps.
I always build my systems that way I get what I want.
Latest one -
MSI KT4 Ultra (KT400 chipset)
XP2600+ (333fsb) CPU
2 x 512Mb Corsair DDR400 RAM
GeForce 4 Ti4600 128Mb RAM
Audigy soundcard
Thinking of getting the Epox 8RDA+ motherboard, Dual Channel DDR support! Also has the very latest nForce2 chipset.
It is getting great reviews. Would love to try out an AMD Barton XP2800+ CPU on a dual channel DDR motherboard!