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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sixpence on April 30, 2003, 03:37:29 PM
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How do you think your team faired? I think the Patriots did well. This was a weak draft, but next year is supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in years, and we set ourselves up for it. We have 8 picks in the first four rounds next year( 2 firsts, 2 seconds, 1 third, and 3 fourth round picks) We will be in real good position to trade up because teams will consider mid round picks to be of value.
I think Dan Klecko was an interesting pick also. I'm not sold on the Ty Warren pick, but we needed a D-lineman and they all got scooped up. He's a big dude, so I'm hoping he's a player.
God, I can't wait for football.
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Good draft for the Raiders I think. The team doesn't have any major weakness right now other than age at a few positions. No obvious first year starters, but they are filling in depth at positions where they will need a guy in a few years.
Asomugha (31) is a big DB who runs like hell. Probably will end up at safety, replacing R. Woodson in a couple of years.
Brayton (32) will help them at DE, where they need help with the decline of Armstrong. My understanding is that Brayton is a tweener and can play DT too. Should fit into the platoon DL concept the Raiders use. I still think they have to either trade for or sign a star pass rushing DE to move the defense to the next level.
Johnson (63) is a cool pick I think. He is another tweener, a WR in a TE's body. He's probably too slow to start at WR but the Raiders use a lot of multi TE sets where he will be perfect.
They got an LB and a RB in the 3rd. The RB is the son of Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch. :)
Round 4 they got an undersized DE who runs a 4.4 40.
5-6-7 they got a WR, a tackle and a safety.
Nothing huge in there but I think they dealt with their biggest needs. We'll see how good these guys turn out to be.
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Can't believe the bucs wasted a pic on Chris Simms.
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PITTSBURGH GOT A DEFENSIVE BACK.
Who cares if he's any good or not, what they had last year suked.
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who would have been a better pick then chris simms at that point? really? noone on that draft board has a chance of starting for the bucs in the next 2 years. And no offence to texas fans but your coach sucks. sucks hard. Watching gruden turn simms into a NFL caliber QB in the next few years will be interesting. I understand you texans hate him and blame him for every lose you ever had. but its your coach's fault really.
Look at the bucs. same team ,same coaching staff. bye bye dungy hello gruden. wow they beat the hell out of everyone in the playoffs. and they made the raiders look like the joke they are.
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49rs seem to have gotten a real deal on that Miami QB in the 7th round.
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Did you ever watch Simms play? Don't tell me you bought his agent's "it was all the coaching" crap, if that was the case Applewhite with no skills wouldn't have had the all conference career he did.
At least there is a replacement for Rob Johnson now. The output will be quite similar (except probably more interceptions).
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simms will be a 3d string qb for a while, they have jim miller to stink up the joint if brad gets injured.
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Speaking of QB's, the Patriots drafted some guy named Kliff Kingsbury in the 6th round.
Never heard of him.
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brady who?
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Look at the bucs. same team ,same coaching staff. bye bye dungy hello gruden. wow they beat the hell out of everyone in the playoffs. and they made the raiders look like the joke they are.
Yeah the Raiders are terrible. Averaged 11 wins over the last 3 years. Terrible! :)
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that is pretty sad. Most of the franchises in the leage wished they had grudens previos team to field. They seem to have done well in the draft too.
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PS: I read some more about the LB and 4.4 sec DE the Raiders took, and they are both expected to play a pass rushing LB spot in the 3-4 and Nickel. So it looks like they are going to continue with the platoon DL where they have specialists for each down, instead of going after more expensive linemen who can do everything well.
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without gruden its all downhill
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Speaking of QB's, the Patriots drafted some guy named Kliff Kingsbury in the 6th round.
Never heard of him.
He's from Texas Tech. Excellent QB!! Led NCAA Div 1-A with 5017 yds,43 TD's, and avg 358.4 Yds per game.:D
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
brady who?
I think that's why they gave him the contract he got. He got a good sized signing bonus, so he will get a good chunk of change even if he is released next year. And he should get his money, after all, what's a superbowl worth? And before anyone says they shoulda held on to Bledsoe, forget it. We watched him for years, and in the clutch he would throw the INT(in the AFC championship game he through one right to a pitt LB, the LB dropped it, it hit him in the #'s)
I think Damon Huard is the better QB, IMO. But the good thing is the coaching staff handles their QB's real well. This kid Rohan Davey is going to have to step up now. He is the third string QB they drafted in the 4th round last year. He's built like Duante Culpepper with a cannon for an arm. With the drafting of Kingsbury, something has to give, they won't keep four QB's going into the regular season.
They say Kingsbury doesn't have a strong arm and he played in a system that inflated his numbers. But I did notice that with all that passing he only through 13 INT's.
Is it football season yet?
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
simms will be a 3d string qb for a while, they have jim miller to stink up the joint if brad gets injured.
I think Simms wins the starting job. If not, he will be the back up, then he gets in a few games into the season. I think he's better than what they have now, that was a good pick,IMO.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I think Simms wins the starting job. If not, he will be the back up, then he gets in a few games into the season. I think he's better than what they have now, that was a good pick,IMO.
you're trolling right?
Ever actually look at Brad Johnson's QB rating? You do know he led the NFC in passer rating right? And he's in the top 10 of all time for passer ratings. You don't beat out the Superbowl winning quarterback as a 3rd round draft pick when you've never been able to win a big game as a college quarterback. Simms has the potential to be a good NFL quarterback. That potential won't be realized for a few years at least. It's a very good pick because hopefully Johnson has a couple of more years ahead of him before retiring so Simms can absorb the Gruden system on the bench as an understudy. Personally, I think your team got a steal in Kliff in the 6th round. I also think the Bucs would rather have gotten Grossman or Ragone, but both were off the board when they picked.
As for Dorsey, supposedly he's put on 30 lbs since the Fiesta Bowl and has increased both his leg strength and his velocity. He's now 6'4", 215. If he puts on another 20 lbs of muscle and gets some zip on his passes, he's going to be a good prospect for the 49'ers. They've got Garcia, so they have time to groom Dorsey to see if he can get the job done.
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I would have taken Kingsbury over Simms, for one. Stop listening to agent greased scouting reports and just look at the game they played against each other.
Kingsbury is like a Simms clone, but accurate and intelligent to boot.
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:) let me take you back in FSU history Fatty... Who started the 1990 season at QB? Who finished it and started the entire 1991 season? Now which of those two has a Super Bowl ring and which played in the XFL? ;)
It's the exact same thing with Simms and Applewhite. Major was definitely the better college quarterback. Simms definitely has the better NFL potential. Also, I think Simms has more potential than Kingsbury, but I think Kingsbury is better right now.
College play doesn't always correlate with NFL play. If so, where's Josh Heupel? Why has Wuerffel sucked so much? Akili Smith?
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I think Brad johnson is inconsistant, that's why he is so traveled. I think a smarter QB will fair much better in Gruden's offence. I would like to see Simms do well.
It's funny about Dorsey, all he did was win in college. Tom Brady was the same story, he won at Michigan, but wasn't drafted till the 6th round.
Kingsbury is interesting too. His scouting reports were not positive, but his numbers are amazing. But you can never have enough QB's, even if they don't make the club, you can usually trade them for a draft pick.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
without gruden its all downhill
That's a nice theory, but since they got rid of Gruden they have played their best football in 20 years. The team has gotten better without Chucky.
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I actually subscribed to that theory originally Nifty, even used the Weldon/Johnson example often (also a little Ward tossed in for good measure on examples of good college QBs not meaning good Pro QBs).
The major difference though is that Johnson was an extremely efficient QB in college (pretty much the same as he is now in the pros). There were no problems with bad judgement, only reason Weldon replaced him really was he was too conservative. Johnson's style and play really hasn't changed much, and that's what makes him a great fit on a defensive weighted team like TB.
Now insert interceptions for conservative and it doesn't fit so well.
(edit PS - I never thought Wuerffel was that good in the first place. Same applies for most upper tier teams (including FSU) with a roster of great players they tend to make mediocre QBs look really good and end up causing a lot of wasted pics. I think Simms falls into this category.)
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What do you Florida guys think of Willis McGahee. All I've seen are highlights, but he looks like Gale freakin Sayers with muscles! How badly was he injured, and how good was he?
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he could be the best back in the league or he could never recover from his injurys.
raiders lost the superbowl badly to chucky. team might play better but that dosnt help when your outcoached.
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As a long suffering Bengals fan,I think for the first time in over a decade they did great.
Their first four picks were projected to go in the first round in many mocks.Their first five picks could all end up being starters in 2004.
As to the Bucs getting Chris Simms,I think it was a good pick.I believe he'll do fine.B.Johnson had a great year,but is getting a bit long in the tooth....Simms can carry the clipboard 2-3 years and eventually start.
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I'm shocked Dallas didn't draft Simms. They had the pick, they HAVE the Coach. Looked like destiny. How many Coaches get the opportunity to crush the spirit of a Father and Son during their career.
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Willis was the MAN. I don't know for sure if he'll fully recover from the knee injury, but the news now is he's ahead of schedule and should be able to run a little in mini camps and maybe ready for full speed come training camp time in July.
Remember though, McGahee only ran for one year at Miami. Portis was the man the year before. However, McGahee is fast, he's got moves and he's got power. He can also catch out of the backfield. He's the complete package at RB, IMO.
Fatty, as for Ward, we don't know if he'd have made a good NFL QB or not. He never got the chance. He was smart and went to the sport where he wouldn't get crushed every week. ;) One of the reasons Weldon took over for Johnson, IIRC, is that Johnson wasn't making the second and third read as well. He'd take the sack or get rid of it while the 3rd option was open. Weldon was better at making the progressions, and got better results. I don't think Weldon lost a game as a starter until wide right one, and you can blame that more on the defense (Terrell Buckley gave up a first down on 4th and long that set up the go ahead score for Miami, and even then Weldon got them into FG range before Thomas missed.)
I agree that the system and players around them make the QB look better, however, Wuerffel was a good college QB, the system just made him into a Heisman winner. He'd make the correct reads and go through his progressions when the first and second choices were not there (except in 1994 in the 4th quarter against us!)
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IMO, the Vikings had the best draft. Two of my better friends are Vikes fans, and it has been pure joy to talk to them about the draft.
P.S. Simms always had the physical tools of an NFL qb. Now we'll see if Gruden can get him to develop the mental tools of one. How hard Simms wants to work towards correcting his flaws will ultimately decide his fate as an NFL player.
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This is like the FDB alumni week thread.
Where ya been gordo?
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ok ok i live in ohio between cleveland and cincy closer to cincy 45 miles. im not a bengals fan never will be as long as mike brown is running the team. but i think they might be somewhat better this yr well lets hope so anyway . if we go by history lets see 2 other 1st rd qbs picked 1 gone 1 as backup .but they did far a lot better than the browns draft
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McGahee is a roll of the dice. On top of his injury, buffalo is cold and they play on astroturf(cementurf). He had swelling in his knee during workouts which they said was normal while rehabilitating. I would have tried to trade down at least a few spots to get him, maybe they could have landed him and scored an extra second round pick.