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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Jackal1 on May 01, 2003, 04:47:55 AM
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Why did you choose the plane, ( or planes), you most frequently fly in AH? Was your decision made on your experience after trying different planes or was it based on history or possibly a WWII pilot you find interesting?
Just curious.
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spit.. to learn ah fm.. too slow, too many runners... pony... faster.. flew aggressively, still too slow to catch runners, plus increasingly facing gangs... la7.. fast enough to run down runners, good enough to deal with horde a little bit better without having to resort to total timidity, aka, "smart flying"...
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I've always have had a life long fascination with the P-38 and even though from time to time I'll hop in a different plane, I'll always go back to the P-38 as my ride of choice.
Ack-Ack
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I fly 190s for the looks and the history. I was really into B-17s when younger, and with the 190 being its historical opponent, I developed a bit of a fascination with them.
And they're gorgeous birds. Especially the radial engined ones.
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Planes are like tools, each has its own unique qualities.
So Russian fighters for pure air to air because they rule. Some tours I prefer the Yak and its abilty to make a spitfire sweat.
Others the La7 for chasing down low ponys & tiffy's.
Tiffy for eggs, speed and 4 x 20mm, nice all round base attack machine.
F6f for CV ops.
Pony if field is down to 25% fuel.
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so basicly... pick a really fast late plane or you will not be competitive.. There are about five viable choices. It is best to decide which one you have allways loved as a small child and stick to that story. Everyone will still believe you are flying for the obvious advantage but who knows? You may fool someone sometime.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Ignores bait, cruises by without stopping.
thinks "Hmmm laz slipping a bit in his old age?"
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F4U-1 (Favorite) : a little bit history, a little bit beauty, plus high speed maneuverability and the prospect of a challenge. (I still think climbrate should be better)
LA-7 : a little bit russian, a little bit beauty, mostly because of speed, and a dash of dweebery. mainly for defense.
FM-2 : cuz it turns (aint been in it for a while though)
P-38 : cuz it's perdie
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function is pretty. the more functions you like and less you don't like the more pleases the plane.
D9 (no D11)/152, G6, F4U4 and 262.
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38: Flew the 38 through brand X, Y and Z. Now I fly her here in AH... love to E fight and it does it very well.
109g10: haven't seen anything match its vert fight thus far (propwise).
Will always fall back to the 38 though.
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p47 d11/25..Just the most fun plane in AH
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Started with a Spit IX because: 1) I knew of the plane and 2) because the trainers told me to.
Moved onto the P51D. Always loved the plane and found it more challenging to fly than the spit. Joined a Pony squad and now fly the P51B almost exclusively.
Love the corsairs. They are gorgeous planes. Being a former Marine there is some history that brings me to the gull-winged-whistling-death wonders.
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Bf109G6 - Because its the greatest fighter of all time. :)
Bf109G10 - Because its a fast version of the G6 when you need the speed.. ;)
SBD5 - Because it's beautiful!
IL2M3 - Beacuse its even more beautiful and has big 23mm cannon!
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P-51D
Because it's what I flew in AirWarrior. Couldn't care less about its historical rep and don't particularly even like how it performs in AH.
J_A_B
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F6F-5 (Sturdy, easy to fly, good power, stable rocket platform. A hard ride to screw up in.)
Bf 110G-2 (to sink ships and intercept most bombers)
Il-2 (to kill tanks)
Mosquito Mk VI (to intercept very high or escorted bombers)
F4U-1D (to attack bases)
Hurricane IIC (for furball)
F4U-4 (to scare people also for "drag and bag")
Me 262 (to lose all my perk points)
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Recently the P-47D-30 cuz I read a book recently by Francis Gabreski; thought I'd try it cuz it was an inspiring read. The plane is a beast and the most fun I have had flying a Jug.
In AH I fly the F4U 1D, C and -1; also the P-51D, La5, FW 190A5 and A8, Me109 G6.
I started out in AW flying the P-51D, then the F4U1D. I refuse to fly the Spits or the F6Fs, and now in AH I still wont fly eithe rof them or, the LA7.
I prefer the challenge of learning a plane and becoming good at fighting in it.
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Started out flying the aircraft I could fly to the best of my limited ability. Spit’s, LA’s, a yak version or two, I think the frank (whatever designation it really is). Then I got into a scenario or two and started researching big blue.
I flew versions of the F4U for the longest time, intermixing others, remembering the “Black Sheep Squadron” that used to play on Sunday afternoons. I tried the pony and didn’t like it. I wanted to fly it from the brief scene in “Empire of the Sun”. You know where the kid screams out “Yeahhhh... P51... Cadillac of the skies!” I couldn’t get the hang of it though.
Now, P51 it is. I like the high speed maneuverability it has. I like the speed in general. Once you understand what it can and can’t do it’s a great bird.
Do I like the early war stuff? Of course, they make great targets. :)
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A6M2 and A6M5 I am simply a T&B fighter and these are about the best in the game.And when I get tired of putt putting around in these I go for anything with a red star on it purely for speed and fun.
A couple of days ago I took up a p51B and that plane is sweet once figured out although I still have a ways to go to be any good in it but is a blast to fly.:)
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i just choose random planes that i normally dont fly and if i can land a decent kill streak in em i stick with em till i get bored then repeat the proscess
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yaks -- to get away from the spray and pray dweebery.
yaks -- to get the speed to track down the low ponies (love it when the ponies wep gives out and I'm still there )
yaks -- to stall fight
yaks -- just cuz they are there
A20 -- rugged, gv killer and decent a2a ;)
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I try to at least be marginally competative in all types.
Prefer allied stuff but enjoy the Japanese stuff and to a lessor extent the German stuff. Hate the italian stuff but can still get wheels up in em.
Favourite would be B26 for bombing and P51D for everything else.
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HT should put a random button in hangar for fighter and bomber selection so every time you up, its gonna be a surprise as to what plane yer flyin:D
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1. F4U-1a, I dont know why, I started using it two tours ago to try something different, I also just lost a bunch of perk points from crashing a couple of 262's. I like the way it flys and handles, once you get use to the snap stall.
2. LA-7 - base defense, goon hunting, or just plan sneaking around looking for unsuspecting prey, excellent for surprising NOE raids.
3. Typhoon - ground attach, some base defense.
4. F6F - jabo, base defense, carrier ops
5. F4U-1C and D, carrier cap and defense, jabo
6. P-51d - started flying it more in April, still learning. when I started 2 years ago I tried the P-51 and kept stalling so I quit flying it. Now trying it again. I figured if I could master the stall in the LA-7 and F4U's I was ready to try the P51 again.
7. 190D9 and 109G10 - Cap fields, Bomber hunting, goon hunting,
8. 190-A8, Jabo, attack against ground vehicles, taking out vehicle hangers.
9. P-38, some Jabo, some high cap, some search and destroy
10. Yak - on and off depending on map
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Flew Spit in Air Warrior...Flew La7 for 3 months, then switched to P-51 and still flyin it..
What i did in a P-51 and still doin it, contributes to what i can do in all the planes.
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Hawker Typhoon.
Guess I started flying this plane because the squad I formed in AH (Firebirds 56 (Fighter) Squadron) flew them in WW2. Our squad would fly them on jabo missions on squad nights - we had a pretty big squad then (2 1/2 years ago??) and our missions became rather famous 'Tiffy runs'! Fariz joined us and they got even bigger missions.... so blame the Typhoon missions origin on 56 Sqn! ;)
Since then I joined 418 Sqn but still continue to fly the Typhoon although 418 Sqn's 'main plane' in RL was the Mosquito (the AH Mossie is a 418 Sqn actually).
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Bf109G6 - Because its the greatest fighter of all time. :)
Bf109G10 - Because its a fast version of the G6 when you need the speed.. ;)
SBD5 - Because it's beautiful!
IL2M3 - Beacuse its even more beautiful and has big 23mm cannon!
Grun.
What are the strongpoints of the G6? You see I might be looking to upgrade my F4 ;) I love the F4, but it's not very survivable in the Pony/Lala/190 ridden MA (heh, I fly the 190 when it get too bad ;))
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1. Fw190D9 - for some reaon everything goes right for me when I fly this. Use it for everything too. Read and re-Read Eric Brown's comments about this thing. Shame they scrapped them all - imagine one of these luvverly birds at Reno today.
2. Ki61 - First a/c model my Dad built for me when I was a kid was a Ki61 - I thought it was just beautiful. Finally learned how to use it effectively after Mitsu taught me - again, and again, and again, and......
3. Fw190F8 - Much underrated Jabo, that turns into an A8 once the bombs are gone. Was fascinated with the armament options this thing had when I used to read about it as a kid - photo-electric backward firiing mortars for goodnees sake!!!
4. La5 - My handle in AW was Voch5. La5 is one of those middle/top performers than can surprise when handled well. Amazing how sticking that great big AsH82 on front of a LaGG 3 created such a competent fighter.
5. F4U-1 - Best CV fighter in the game (IMO) - Plus Kiwis flew them in the Pacific war.
6. Il2 - Take THAT, and THAT, and THAT! I think Stalin's comment about Mother Russia needing this puppy like air and bread sums up it's historical importance nicely. Even though Stalin was mental, he still had the odd good opinion.
7. Pz IVH - best mass produced MBT of WWII and tank town on Trinity has revitalised the game for me. Nothing like stalking other Panzers by sound alone through a rubble strewn city.
palef
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Originally posted by GScholz
Grun.
What are the strongpoints of the G6? You see I might be looking to upgrade my F4 ;) I love the F4, but it's not very survivable in the Pony/Lala/190 ridden MA (heh, I fly the 190 when it get too bad ;))
The strong points are:
It is slow, no kidding this actually helps sometimes.
It turns better than G10 but worse than G2.
It climbs very well.
It is the classic Bf109.
It is most beautiful fighter of WW2.
It has Erich Hartman's scheme.
It has very good firepower over G2 - the 13mm are pretty useful.
It has 30mm gun option.
It is the most fun and chalenging Bf109 in AH.
It is the most honest fighter in AH, no BS, no dweebry, no UFO stunts.
It is capable of excelent performance if you know it.
Basically I just love the plane - it's awesome. I think a lot of real good AH Bf109 pilots love it too - it's a classic. :)
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Thanks Grun. I think I'll try it, and when I think it sux I'll ask you to set me straight. :)
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Against the La7, Spit IX, and N1K2 the 109G6 may as well be the same plane as a 109F4. Except it has those hideous tumors on the nose.
Actually thats not quite right.
109F4 vs La7: La7 is faster, accelerates and climbs better, has more firepower, rolls better, turns worse.
109G6 vs La7: La7 is faster, accelerates and climbs better, has more firepower, rolls better, and turns better.
109F4 vs Spit IX: Spit IX is faster except right on the deck, accelerates and climbs better, has more firepower, rolls better, and turns better.
109G6 vs Spit IX: Spit IX is slower till 10k or so, accelerates and climbs better above 10k (below 10k the G6 has a very slight advantage, slight enough that it isnt even noticable in my opinion), has more firepower, rolls better, turns better.
109F4 vs N1K2: N1K2 is about the same speed till 10k (then it gets slower), accelerates and climbs about the same to 5k (after that it drops off a lot), has more firepower, rolls better, turns better.
109G6 vs N1K2: N1K2 is slower, doesnt climb or accelerate as well, has more firepower, rolls better, and turns better.
Really, the only difference you'd see in switching to a 109G6 is that you would no longer be able to out-turn La-7s, but you could out-run N1K2s a lot easier. Well that and the DD's sitting on the nose.
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I love flying 109s - it's good for the ego.
When I shoot down something I could go brag "hey, I don't use dweeb rides!".. and when I get shot down I can alsways say "Humph, at least I wasn't in a dweeb ride!" :D
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Seriously though, I like its fighting style.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so basicly... pick a really fast late plane or you will not be competitive.. There are about five viable choices. It is best to decide which one you have allways loved as a small child and stick to that story. Everyone will still believe you are flying for the obvious advantage but who knows? You may fool someone sometime.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
You're starting to sound like a skipping record.
Ack-Ack
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Favorite fighters:
La-5 Fast & manuverable it packs a real punch with twin 20mms in the nose. Two hundred rounds per gun is quite generous. Drop tanks are not available so the range is short. In addition, with only a single, main fuel tank it's best used close to a friendly base if you're into landing missions. Could be a little sturdier, but at least it has a radial engine (which is more durable than an in-line engine).
P-47D-11 Fast, sturdy, and surprisingly manuverable. I always take 100% fuel and the DT; I use the DT to climb as high as possible. Stay fast and high if you want to rtb. Take the 8 x 50 cal. option, with the lower option for amount of ammo (267 rounds per gun?).
Because these planes are seen less often than others, many pilots don't know their capabilities and are unpleasantly surprised.
Lately I've been doing a lot of hi-alt buff intercept missions in the Bf-109G-10 with the 30mm cannon. I use its speed and climbing ability to pull way ahead, then attack from 12 o'clock high, firing from very close range a few well-placed cannon shells.
I fly just about everything sometime, because variety is the spice of life.
Favorite Bomber:
Ki-67 "Hiryu" or "Peggy" At 20K this bomber flies at 334 mph true airspeed. And that's at manifold pressure 45 (about 95% power)!! If you fly fast you will be almost impossible to attack from any position other than your six. The rear guns (twin 12.9 mm = 50 cal.) don't have much ammo, so you must wait for the right moment and fire a short burst, aim again, fire a short burst until you get him. Don't fire unless you've got a good shot. The "right moment" is often when a fighter has pulled above you after zooming up from below and is floating there momentarily. The 20mm in the rear-facing top turret usually does the trick quickly, but aim from the rear gun position if possible: the view is better.
Remember, speed is your best defense, so make very gentle turns. Just fly like grandma was on board.
Because the front gun is a single 12.9 mm, and the top turret is rear-firing only, if anyone ever does attack from in front, the best defense is to manuver violently and don't even worry about firing.
Drawbacks: the Ki-67 is not particularly rugged and its bombload is less than a P-47's. I always take the 8 x 100 kg (220 lb) bomb load and hit two strategic targets with half my load on each. I'm an accurate bombardier, so the damage is considerable.
Favorite ground attack aircraft:
Mossie With a couple of 500 pound bombs in the bombay, rockets on the wings, and the maximum cannon load set to converge at 650 yards, a single Mossie can destroy an entire field town by itself. Fast and sturdy, it can take on fighters after dropping ordnance, as long as you don't try going vertical. Stay level and fast.
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Tour 39 fighters in order of kills obtained:
CHog
Typhoon
Dora
P-47D-30
F4U-4
IL-2
P-51D
La-7
Bf 109G-10
190A-5
SBD
Yak-9U
Tempest
Tour 38:
CHog
Typhoon
P-51D
Tempest
Ki-61
F6F
P-51B
N1K2
FM-2
F4U-4
IL-2
F4U-1D
Yak-9U
Me 163
Tour 37:
Typhoon
P-47D-30
P-47D-11
Tempest
F6F
N1K2
FM-2
Seafire
IL-2
Yak-9U
SpitIX
A6M5
F4U-4
P-51B
Ta 152
CHog
190A-5
SpitXIV
Me 163
I usually like diversity, although I have been flying fast, cannon armed fighters more the past two tours. Largely due to squad ops where speed and ordnance is an important factor, and to the fact that fast fighter match-ups have been the designated squad birds the past two months, with the Jug and Corsair preselected for tour 40.
My regards,
Widewing
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P47 - Well, I saw a film when I was still in H2H of Drex and I believe AKNimitz fighting on the Uterus map. I figured I could do the same thing if I worked at it. I slowly figured out how to be succesfull and its the one baby I keep coming back to. I may have brief stints in other planes but those 8 .50cals and instant overshoot always lights my fire. :sniff::)
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Mosquito: Because its fun
Il-2: Because its fun
Spitfire: Not anymore because it ain't fun to be whined at constantly, but the plane is fun to fly
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I enjoy flying the 1-D, Spit V, Seafire and Yak. Spend my time bouncing amongst all four, this tour working on the F6F.
I die in a 51.
I fly two E fighters and two turners. What blows me a way, is my k/d in all of them are pretty much the same, my gunnery is the same, everything is the same..
Cannons or 50's... E fighter or turner, all stats are essentially the same.
Wha.....?
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Spit V for base defense
Spit IX for dweeby incursions on enemy bases
190 A8 to get killed in a lot
Tiffie for speed dashes over enemy fields
P47 D30 for Jabo
109 G10-used to fly it a lot, on a break from 109s now
190 D9-it's all hype,I haven't flown it in quite a while
Oh, and for GVs, just Ostwind. I don't care much about tanks or boats, but with the Ostwind at least I can get some aircraft kills :)
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Urchin, I've never met a Nikki I couldn't out-turn in the F4, and no Spit has ever caught up with me unless he had more alt. I can turn with spits too as long as the IAS is above 190-200 mph.
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A20 for killing GVs, 109g10 and 190a5 for fighter, from cv, deacked base a6m5 or hvy f6f to hit strats at base.
for bombing almost always in b17. at 30k plus only 1 man has shot down all my bombers and lived.
On probation for Surgery post, :)
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Who was that?
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P-40E - Because its the most beautiful plane in the arena.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
P-40E - Because its the most beautiful plane in the arena.
MiniD
That explains your avatar! :D
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-109G-2, historical reasons and national markings :)
-109G-10, performance and guns in buff hunt.
-Typhoon or F4U-1D for jabo... I suppose I SHOULD get used to FW:s and Bf110:s instead :)
-Spits, sometimes for base defence.
-FM2, for pretending to flying a Brewster B-239 :)
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My primary ride has ended up being the Seafire. It's not as fast as a 9, but turns better. It's still a little faster than the 5, I think. And they didn't bother trying to put bombs on it because that's just not what a spitfire was built to do. It's simple, it's unassuming, and for some reason it just feels like it handles better for me than the other spit models.
I'm also a fan of the jug-30 for jabo ops. The tiffie runs out of ammo too quickly for my tastes, and doesn't carry as much ord to begin with anyway. I'm not that great at fighting in it, but it's one hell of a vulcher. :)
I used to use the B-17 a lot more, before the new bombsight/formations/changed damage model. Now bombing just doesn't seem as fun as it used to. I guess part of that is because anytime you're up in a bomber, you're a giant target for all the rest of the arena to shoot at, because there just aren't many bombers left anywhere.
I've tried most of the other planes at one point or another, but I just can't bring myself to like most of the axis rides. The cage cockpits bother me. Bubble canopies were probably the best thing to happen to fighter aircraft before jet engines.
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P38 coz it killed 147 planes and only 8 planes killed me this tour.
I feel home in the lightning
Il grab spit IX, v and FM 2 when i feel getting ganged
just for flying straight to my nme's and turn em to death.
Il2 and A20 for bombing fun:D
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La5 Just because I've been having so much fun in it past few tours and seems people don't realise what a capable and overlooked fighter it is due to it's big brother.
....-Gixer
-Hells Angels-
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Now for someone to dream up a SnapShot or other event that incorporates these planes :D
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Try getting a kill in EVERY fighter one tour. Wait till half way through, then decide to try it. If you shoot like I do, it'll be a real challenge. I've done it once and got close two other times.
Gives you a real appreciation for whats out there.
Give it a shot. Are ya chicken?
Bwok Bwok Bwoook.
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Spitfires because they are historically my favorite planes. The Battle of Britain is my favorite time period and frankly, there's never been a better name than Spitfire. :D However, a Spit I just isn't all that much fun to fly in the MA, so I stick with the Spit V mostly for my Spit kick.
Lately I've been flying 109's because they are a lot of fun to fly once you get used to them. :)
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"You're starting to sound like a skipping record.
Ack-Ack
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maybe it's the threads that are starting to sound like a broken record.. or.. the guys who reply to em... in this thread the replies amount to.... (1)... the guys who whish to justify in some way their choice of the fastest late model planes in the game against lesse planes or... (2).... the guys who want to brag about not flying a competitive plane.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
maybe it's the threads that are starting to sound like a broken record.. or.. the guys who reply to em... in this thread the replies amount to.... (1)... the guys who whish to justify in some way their choice of the fastest late model planes in the game against lesse planes or... (2).... the guys who want to brag about not flying a competitive plane.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
God forbid any poor dweeb that doesn't fly a plane on Laz's approved list of planes. Who cares that someone flies a mid or late war plane or their reasons for it? Buck up little buckeroo, it's just a game.
Ack-Ack
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funny reading your post then your sig akak
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Originally posted by vorticon
funny reading your post then your sig akak
Glad you find my signature funny, obviously you're easily amused.
Ack-Ack
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Lately been getting into the blue planes-f4u-1, c, d and the fm2.
Took an f4u4 up by accident a couple days ago-couldn't figure out why it seemed all the nme were after my tender beeehind!
The fm2 is just pure coolness-fun turning in it, but once you go in you're committed as just about anything else will run you down.
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you stated
Who cares that someone flies a mid or late war plane or their reasons for it? Buck up little buckeroo, it's just a game.
then your sig reads
"Some pilots are good, some pilots are great but the best of all flew the P-38!"
little hypocrytical huh...
saying that it doesnt matter what it is you fly then your sig is basicly saying that the best pilots flew the p38...mildly hypocritical...just enough for me the hijack the post anyway
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I've always have had a life long fascination with the P-38 and even though from time to time I'll hop in a different plane, I'll always go back to the P-38 as my ride of choice.
You know they used to make the engine cowlings for P-38s at Rohr in Chula Vista?
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Originally posted by vorticon
you stated
Who cares that someone flies a mid or late war plane or their reasons for it? Buck up little buckeroo, it's just a game.
then your sig reads
"Some pilots are good, some pilots are great but the best of all flew the P-38!"
little hypocrytical huh...or nto at all
and yes i am very easily amused
Please explain to me how my comment to Laz and my signature make a hypocritical statement, that is if you know what hypocritical means in the first place.
And in case your ignorance knows no bounds, my signature is in reference that the two top all-time US fighter aces flew the P-38 and is a direct quote from a former P-38 pilot.
Ack-Ack
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FM2 cause its fun
P51d cause its fun
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Fighters:
Bf-109 G-10, high performance and 30mm cannon
Me-262, fast, 4x30mm, the ultimate goon hunter
Jabos:
Typhoon, fast, 4x20mm
F4U-C, 4x20mm and lots of ammo
IL-2, the best GV killer in AH, but it's fun in furball too :)
As everyone can see, I usually fly "cannon birds". I want fast kills, hate spraying 50-cals. In fact I have fired G10s MGs only twice in combat: once ran outta 30mm ammo when vulching and again as I shot down a flying zippo (B5N).
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Tiffie all the way baby!
(sometimes a A5, D9, or La5 for a break).
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Lazs,
how about the lack of appeal of certain planes to other people? like those that seem smurfy, archaic, easy to get kills in, easy to evade shots from 5:1s in, boring, easy to get 1 burst kill snapshots in, easy to kill from 1.3K out in, used by everyone else, that force you to fly the way you don't like to.
sound familiar? why doesn't everyone fly the same damn planes and forget the challenge and fun of diversity?
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First plane was the 190a8, then 190a5. Because I simply love the radial 190s and I wanted to start flying in one. Still my fav planes, but I`m givig the 109s more attenion in the recent past.
109g2 for it`s good turning and great weapons package - I always take gondolas on it.
The 109g10 for the tater gun and killer engine, feels like "Defence of the Reich" all the way.
110s for great loadouts and the sheer amount of (center mounted !!!) cannons.
A6M for an axis ride off carrirers. Turns like hell, and nice cannons. Too slow for non-carrier work though-
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Originally posted by Montezuma
You know they used to make the engine cowlings for P-38s at Rohr in Chula Vista?
Really? I never knew that. Always thought everything was handled at the Lockhead plant up near L.A.
Ack-Ack
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Although I've always been fascinated with German planes I've flown the Mossie almost exclusively for months now. I fly it because it is under-rated at an ENY of 40 and I like to save up fighter perks to fly the 262 which I promptly lose.
The Mossie is well armed, quite fast, the guns are extremely easy to hit, and most people are taken by surprise at how it turns. If you get someone in close behind you, scissors are easy due to the energy bleed in any vertical turn so its easy to get someone to overshoot you. Anyhow that's my 2 cents or so.
Plus I like to hit ground targets as well....great all-around plane for everything.
Higgins_Mskt
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alright, I admit, I like the G10. Flew it again tonight and last night with gondolas, after not flying it at all for 2 months-I was surprised what a performant aircraft it is in terms of climbing and diving and maximum speed. Needs careful aiming with only one cannon and 60 rounds (each hit equals a certain kill on all fighters). Also, when it gets too fast in a dive the controls lose effectiveness. Flies for a long time if oil is hit. Landing is fun :)
For bombers, I like the B26, using it as a gunship ,usually in a furball over an enemy airfield, after I dropped my bombs. Fun!!!!
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P-47D25: 6x50cal loadout cause i like the way it feels, looks and it makes me sweat in a dogfight. IMO its also the best B&Z bird. Have been a jug freak since i saw OnePunch (Tequilla) play around it a year or 2 back, Started reading about it and fell even more in love with it.
D11: are even prettyer and turns better but does not feel that comfy to me.
D30: used to fly em alot but i can't stand the shiny colour anymore :D
F4U-1 or C for cv work.
190's and 109's are fun sometimes to.
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ackack... which planes are on my approved list? moot... what's the matter? strike a nerve? what planes do you like the (LOL) "difficult" LW ones?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
ackack... which planes are on my approved list? moot... what's the matter? strike a nerve? what planes do you like the (LOL) "difficult" LW ones?
lazs
I haven't found any of the luftwaffles rides hard to fly or kill in. I just noticed the poor handling and stall characteristics.
Is that why you say they are hard? Cause they fly like a pos?
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because you don't have to have much imagination to fly one... choices of action are limited. Choice of reaction are limited.
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And is it hard to do what the D9 does badly with a spit9?
The D9, with its handicap of stall, is hard to out turn, out scissor, out do in any stall/airbraking/critical E retention in hard maneuvers with a plane that doesn't have that turn and stall handicap?
No one has a hard time out turning a P47 with a Yaku, a 152 with a spit9, an FM2 with an A6M2.
Not every D9 pilot will run from a 1/2/3/4:1 if caught slow.
Not every FM2 pilot will play it low and slow 100% of the time.
LW planes fly like pos? then what's the reason to call them easy to kill in?
Don't have much imagination to fly LW? How else, besides better timing, do you beat a plane that's without the brick handicap in the angles? Choices of reaction are limited, aren't the FM2 actions limited? turn or die?
You want to win a fight with the underdog plane, in every kind of fight?
If the D9 takes no imagination to BnZ the slower earlier planes, the spit5 doesn't take much to TnB the late war bricks.
The 152 is hard to survive and get kills in outnumbered, out stalled fights, for example against P51D, spit5, and another 152, all higher at engagement. What exactly does flying a 152 do to the pilot's brain that could not possibly happen in the brain of one flying an FM2? You think FM2 is difficult? if any plane is difficult it's the 202. No speed, no guns, no climb. you just get to play hamster wheel out evading and out turning most planes that slow down and then get assists for it.
Most players don't ride the edge of stall when needed to, they hang on about 10-20% less than you(general), so what's the challenge in pulling the stick harder than them in a plane of equal turning?
Take a modern japanese pure sports car and race it against a 70s muscle car, and tell the other guy hes got no challenge out of it because he's both nailing the apexes from better judgement and beating you at exit speed with more engine, both thanks only to his bigger displacement.
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USA all the way with me!
My favs are F6F and P-51B with F4U-1 and P-51D close behind. With the new makeover, that P-51D was too pretty for me not to fly her more. But the last two months I've been flying the F4F-4 in the MA (not the FM2.) It's been interesting.
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Yea, the FM2 takes a real master of the skies to fly one. This is due mainly to overwhelming difficulty of it`s flight characteristics. The pressure of the constant decision on which tactic to employ next will wear down and discourage the average mortal. You have to stay constantly alert and on your toes to decide "DUUUHHH , do I turn or should I turn". :D
The choices alone usualy frightens and scares off all but the true ace. I mean after all, you have to decide if you want the training wheel cap covers in pink or purple.
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Originally posted by lazs2
ackack... which planes are on my approved list? moot... what's the matter? strike a nerve? what planes do you like the (LOL) "difficult" LW ones?
lazs
I only fly the P-38. It's the plane I've flown in all online flight sims I've played since starting over 10 years ago. Nice try though, better luck next time.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by vorticon
you stated
then your sig reads
"Some pilots are good, some pilots are great but the best of all flew the P-38!"
little hypocrytical huh...
saying that it doesnt matter what it is you fly then your sig is basicly saying that the best pilots flew the p38...mildly hypocritical...just enough for me the hijack the post anyway
Hmmm...I see you tried editing your post to make yourself look less stupid. Too bad it didn't work.
In case you didn't know what hypocrisy means, here's the definition for you.
Hypocrisy - The practice of expressing feelings, beliefs, or virtues one does not hold or possess.
Ack-Ack
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hmm... couple of non english speakers and well... jakal...
ack ack... what planes are on my approved list as you say? I would say your approved list is much shorter than mine...you still haven't answered me and... I believe that vorticon was pointing out the irony of your post and sig.
jackal... yeah.. all ya gotta do is pull hard on the stick.. I'm sure you could beat anyone in an fm2 or spit 5 if ... well... if you tried.
moot... there are some d9 guys who ride the stall... there are LW guys who will fight... they are called.... the losers.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
ack ack... what planes are on my approved list as you say? I would say your approved list is much shorter than mine...you still haven't answered me and... I believe that vorticon was pointing out the irony of your post and sig.
I don't have an approved list because I don't give a rat's bellybutton what someone flies. But countless of your whines...err I mean posts are the opposite. Your first reply to this thread ridiculed people for flying late war planes and in previous threads on this message board, you've whined...err posted the same thing.
And as for the 'irony' of my previous post to you and my signature, I'm sorry but you're barking up the wrong tree. There is nothing 'ironic' or 'hypocritical' about me saying who cares what anyone else flies and having a quote from a retired WWII P-38 pilot saying that two of the best pilots that flew for the US in WWII flew P-38s. After all, that quote is correct, both of the top US aces flew P-38s.
Ack-Ack
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Spit 9 & 5 - cause they turn well
LA7 - cause it's fast
110G2 - cause it's great for ground attack
F6F - cause it's the only dive bomber I'm consistent in
P51 - cause the fuel is down to 25%
205 - cause it looks really kewl
190 or 109 - cause I'm tired of flying the others
p38 - cause hope springs eternal
buffs - (see above)
p47 - cause my wife didn't beat me enough
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Originally posted by lazs2
... there are LW guys who will fight... they are called.... the losers.
LOL! I'll fight you anytime Laz. What's your favorite ride?
(I'm out of town the next two weeks though)
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You'll find me in the P47D30 most often, then FW190A8,and the BF110G2.
Reason....love the challenge. Gotta fly perfect to beat a superior plane in maneuverability and speed. Could fly any of the better planes.......but the feeling of gratification using a so called inferior plane is worth it......along with the challenge.
I fly the 110 as a fighter as well as Jabo.
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Lazs i think i beat you in any plane any time.
Flying one plane makes the player loser or winner? Says something about you.
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moot... i don't have the faintest idea of what you just said. Are you saying that you have beat me in every plane or that you could or ... that it doesn't matter? you did claim that some planes are easy while insinuating that ones like the (LOL) dee 9 are difficult to master.. you appear to think that all you need to do is pull hard on the stick and spray at things from 1.3 in planes like the fm2 or spit 5
I still don't know what planes ack ack thinks are on my approved list.. all I did was explain how this thread would go.
jakal... we seen your stats... you really shouldn't try to tell us how easy planes that actually fight are to fly. you really don't want to bump into one no matter what you are in.
lazs
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What's your favorite plane Lazs2?
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you know the guy at the start was asking HOW you came to chose your fav. plane not what it was...
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Hi lazs,
Are you saying that you have beat me in every plane or that you could or ... that it doesn't matter?
I meant that I can probably beat you in any plane, and it doesn't matter. Probably more because I'm quicker than you than that I'm more experienced. It's the pilot that makes the plane work, not the plane that makes the pilot think.
you did claim that some planes are easy while insinuating that ones like the (LOL) dee 9 are difficult to master..
I said some planes are easy, and so did you. Just like you survive easily in the hard turns, I survive in the long fast sweeps, just like you die in long fast sweeps and BnZ snapshot plinks, I die in snail fights; there are only so many shortcuts to take to make up for inefficiencies. I understand that on a strictly 1:1 fight there will always be the advantage to just zoom out way easier than the general early war plane, but that doesn't mean I or anyone has to rely on that every time. Will you say you'd rather be in a D9 when there is a Typhoon, a P51D, and a P38 taking 1/2BnZ 1/2TnB turns at you having only barely 275mph on the deck when it's time to evade and counter their shot, rather than say an FM2?
you appear to think that all you need to do is pull hard on the stick and spray at things from 1.3 in planes like the fm2 or spit 5
you don't kill things at 1.3 just like that, i just meant some planes have more potent reach than others, hence the difference in potent tactics.
So yes, all you need to do is pull harder without losing control(and this is obviously the hardest thing for most pilots), to follow what's not 100% of stall capacity maneuvers isn't a rock-paper-scissors type of thing, you're actually watching the other guy and can predict a bit or a lot what's going to happen next and then adjust where you want to be accordingly. The guy turns, you turn, he turns harder, you try harder to get the angle, one figure or another is all the same, trying to get faster or slower than him, one or two or ten steps later, either way. No brainer after a few tours, you might not have the experience to react instantly to new tactics, but the logic is there already.
One-upping the other guy with a better plane is as legal as one-upping him with better tactics. Bragging about beating him with an altogether lesser plane is as legit as about beating him with an altogether better plane that does worse what the lesser plane does better.
anyway, same owner same dog, same pilot same plane.
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B-26: well those 5 (6 inculding gunner) nose moutned guns are not only good for ground attack. Plus it always leaves someone in awe to see a Marauder do a couple barrel rolls following a temp.
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Originally posted by lazs2
jakal... we seen your stats... you really shouldn't try to tell us how easy planes that actually fight are to fly. you really don't want to bump into one no matter what you are in.
lazs
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Here we go lmao...Humpy The Wonder pooch a.ka. Liz whimpering and humping legs again.:D
One would think for some one who is so hung up on the stats thingy you would eventualy learn how to read them. I would think that by looking at yours you wouldn`t want to bring any attention to them. Yours are all big ole zeros/zilch/nada with the exception of the instant grato mode, which is mediocre at best, considering how your doing it. I`m certainly not into your "You shoot me then I`ll shoot you" for lunch bunch.:D
I`m in no need of playing arcade style such as you do. Makes one wonder what else you like to do real fast and be done so quickly. Guess we could ask your wife errrrr or boyfriend, which ever way you lean in that catagory.
If you ever start playing the game you can enlighten us with your knowledge or lack thereof, but, as it stands now you don`t have a clue because you don`t participate in the game.
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Spitfire MK I is one of the funnest planes to fly!
Fear my 303's of DOOM :D :D :D
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P-47D11. It is skinned in 56 FG colors, it is sexy, it chews up german iron for lunch, its OD green, 8 Brownings, it is sexy.
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well.. moot... I knew there was someone out there that could beat me every time... looking forward to running into you. would love to learn about that pulling hard stuff and those d 1.3 kills. You must be really busy tho cause I've never seen or heard of you.
jakal... ur starting to go off again. didn't they tell you at the anger management class that you should just accept your lack af ability and not get all angry about it?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
jakal... ur starting to go off again. didn't they tell you at the anger management class that you should just accept your lack af ability and not get all angry about it?
lazs
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Angry? What`s to be angry at? Hard to be angry when your laughing your arse off at a humper still yankin trebles in his own butt. :D
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moot... You are "quicker" than me? How would you know that? More experianced? you must go under another handle because you don't seem to have any experiance at all under "moot"...
now if your real handle is drex.... then maybe you have a point.
lazs
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hey GS i think laz is ignoring you :eek:
for me:
FW 190-d9. it is by far the prettiest plane here. the lines are mean yet soothing. it's built to fight A2A, thats it. zooming in on bombers is the biggest thrill i get in AH. i'm just depressed that people dont fly them as often. (Rod367th i have killed your b17's and lived... not sure if all 3 but maybe). oh well back to topic.
why the FW190-d9? well im not truly sure. when i first came to AH a year and 4 months ago i had ZERO knowledge of WWII air war. hell i had never flown a flight sim either. my friend and work colleuge got me into this... and i started reading. he ran an LW squad and i joined. i admit the first time i flew the dora i hated it. it would stall out and flop over if you turned on auto-pilot @ 20k.:mad: then after being chased down in my g10 by la7s and typh's too much i upgraded.:cool:
the dora can do it all, it just takes practice and patience. i have seen some 190 jocks do things that a spit couldn't follow. i just want to be the best dora pilot i can be. in the ranks of MANDOBOLE. :D
every now and again you will see me in a 110 for killing CV planes and vehicle hangars.
oh well my 2¢
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gs.. u mean real WWII planes or AH ones or favorite ah ones to play in the game? or... do you want to know which ones are the biggest advantage in the game?
lazs
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well, I haven't seen Lazs but once or twice myself, in a blue plane in the middle of a low and slow furball, but that was once or twice so it might have been a delusion, furballing is a myth anyway.
I said the 1.3 analogy is exagerated for the point, but you stick to trolling if that's what you're after.
muut is the user name you'll find my crappy little unpolished stats at, since it matters.
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well moot or muut or whatever... you did make a bunch of statements about the palnes that took little talent and could kill at 1.3 ...
I notice that you like dee 9 and GV's... and killing them in Il2.. your stats look good but Ifail to see anything that would make me think you ar4e invincible in any plane you choose... I have killed guys with better stats. You are probly not as special as you think...
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
gs.. u mean real WWII planes or AH ones or favorite ah ones to play in the game? or... do you want to know which ones are the biggest advantage in the game?
lazs
I mean what plane do you fly most in the MA?
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For the MA I now am in love with the 109 E-4. It used to be the F4 cause up close it looked like any other 109 but JB42, talked it up and stated that only 20% would recognise that yellow nose. Well After downing 2 (TWO) NIK1's with the E-4, I have now fallen in love with the plane. For CV work I love the FM-2 for attacking ground targets, and the A6M2 for CV defence.
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And I bet Laz2 is creaming his panties cause someone is flying "his" kinds of planes, the "correct and only" planes to fly. Frankly I don't give a avian rodents hindquarters.:rolleyes: I attempted to BnZ early in my carreer. I read the tactics manuals and determined that it was the simplest tactic to learn and did well with it in earlier games like RB3D, loved the Fokker D VIII. In this game, with those tactics, a lot more bullets hit the ground more than the plane I was shooting at. So I swiched tactics and went for the angles, and got shot down even more than "extending". Right now I'm climbing out of the learning curve hole. I still suck, probably will for a long time to come. I am getting better.
now my hit% is climbing cause I am following this simple Dicta
"If you think you are close, get closer"
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P-38.
Always.
'Cause its the one plane that can E-fight the turnplanes and can turnfight the Energy planes.
Its the sexiest plane in the set.
It has gotten me called "CHEATER!" more times than any other plane.
Counter rotating props. A hammerhead executed with prop control is a thing to behold. Many a times a n1k or spitdweeb pilot has squealed "cheater" as my 38 hung on prop at 10mph and did the babylon-5 like 180 turn (sideways so they only saw my side or rear flat profile) and blasted their noggin's with quad 50 cals. Woot woot!
Its an excellent plane down low and even better way up in the bozosphere. P47s and Ta152s tread carefully around a 37k P38 that knows how to use them fowlers!.
Climb speed, acceleration!
AND ITS PORKED BABY! :D :D
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well, laz or lazs2 or whatever, I notice that you don't compute exagerated analogies very well... you can kill at "1.3", I didn't say you don't need talent for long kill streaks in some planes. I meant given the talent we do have already, the planes don't fit in two black and white "easy" "hard" categories.
Nothing impressive about the stats these last two or three tours because I'm not trying hard. No guarantee I beat you everytime but maybe if i try hard enough. I'm probably as special as i think, enough to think 50 million paragraphs are worth typing if it baits someone better than every other dueling bozo out there.
yadda yadda I'll fly near cvs more often.
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Originally posted by moot
yadda yadda I'll fly near cvs more often.
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Better make it close...........real close even. That`s where you will find this afore mentioned special breed of the protectors of the naval scrap yard. They will be polishing their nails by the light of the mast and warming their buns by the radiant heat of the bursting AA, silk scarves billowing behind them. :D It`s a moving, nonstop, mutifaceted ack field. What more could one ask for? Why looky yonder Jethro, it`s proxie kill heaven. :)
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blackcross... you would lose your bet. I don't care what you fly but... nice to run into planes that will fight.
muut... I think you have an inflated opinion of your skill. Most guys here don't really "try too hard"... nothing special about you... Heck... I got killed a half dozen or so times in a row the last few tours cause I was so bored I took off from capped fields... die'in was better than flying around doing nothing like jakal... I would not be in the least surprised if you managed to kill me a few times in the arena... If it was a good fite I might even say "good fite".. been known to do that. If i killed you and you didn't do anything worthwhile I would probly not even notice.
As for flying near CV's... yeah.. I do it... I do it either way.. If the enemy has a CV out there close to the field then I fly from the field... If we have the CV close to a field I fly from the CV. poor jakal... afraid of crowds.
lazs
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gs.. I used to fly the -1a allmost exclussively but the last few tours I have flown the FM2.. I will fly yaks or 51B or even the IL2 or A20... Have flown most but don't like the LW planes as they are too restrictive and don't suit the way I like to fly.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
As for flying near CV's... yeah.. I do it... I do it either way.. If the enemy has a CV out there close to the field then I fly from the field... If we have the CV close to a field I fly from the CV. poor jakal... afraid of crowds.
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roflmao Dayaaaaaaaam this cheese bait works good. One little pinch and it drew you like a fly to a cow patty. A pound of this stuff will last all year.
Crowds? The only crowd your ever around bud is the sister squad with "Butt Sniffing" mode engaged.
Thought you might finaly come outa the closet and give it up. :D
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Lizard Next tour I'm going to try your way fly every plane for 1 sortie. and fighters until 1 kill. Sounds ike that could be real fun.
Gshotz only FESTER has attacked my bombers at 32k and shot down all 3 and lived. Most usally don't even smoke engine........
My new rule find what side fester is on before bombing :)
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poor jakal... skilless and tounge tied. well... in fairness touretts syndrome is nothing to make fun of... hope you get well soon.
lazs
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Lazs2, the 51 is a worthy opponent, but the Yak is prolly the most dangerous of the planes you mentioned. None of them is superior to LW iron however, and you would be at a disadvantage against a LW pilot who knows how to use his machine (LW planes can be tricky). If you fancy a friendly duel I'll be more than happy to oblige. :)
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Originally posted by rod367th
Lizard Next tour I'm going to try your way fly every plane for 1 sortie. and fighters until 1 kill. Sounds ike that could be real fun.
Ya might be stuck on the 202 for a while rod367th, Although I did sneak up on two lower Yaks who were chasing another plane on the deck. I let loose at 275yd with everything perfect, lit em up pretty good, and got both focused on me rather than the guy they finnished downing.
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Originally posted by Higgins
The Mossie is well armed, quite fast, the guns are extremely easy to hit, and most people are taken by surprise at how it turns. If you get someone in close behind you, scissors are easy due to the energy bleed in any vertical turn so its easy to get someone to overshoot you. Anyhow that's my 2 cents or so.
The last time I flew a Mossie was on a ground attack mission. I made a high-speed run-in on a base and promptly sheered my elevators off. :mad: After that I figured I just wasn't cut out to be a Mossie fighter pilot.
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Originally posted by rod367th
Lizard Next tour I'm going to try your way fly every plane for 1 sortie. and fighters until 1 kill. Sounds ike that could be real fun.
One thing I tried for awhile was "Fly the plane that shot you down last mission." After a couple of weeks of that, I realized I got a lot of stick time in Spitfires and Mustangs. :p
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gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly.. I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena. I rarely run into LW planes tho... the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good are smart enough to not fight me in the arena.
In my opinion, the LW planes require the least acm and the most patience. They really only do a few things well and that makes em pretty much outsiders even in the MA.... they are there..but they are playing a different game than the rest of us... I think that is why so many of them are frustrated and defensive.
lazs
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Good point point about LW planes in the MA Laz.
Aside from the corsairs I don't like to fly getaway planes, I find them boring . Last time I took a hop in a p51 I got 6 kills, but 0 fights . I like classy planes a6m, c202, spitIX, would love to see the Fiat G55 in AH . When you kill something with a 202 it looks like those old gun cams, where the guy just keeps pumping lead into the plane in front of him . But even that becomes boring, so lately I've been flying TBM and a20.
I've found TBM is the most versitile plane in the game, it can fight, level bomb, dive bomb, rockets, torpedo, tailhook, and even take a gunner, you won't need a gunner becuase the TBM turns so tight the enemy will allways be in front of you. Besides if you're overwhelmed in a TBM a gunner isn't going to save you .
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Originally posted by lazs2
gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly.. I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena. I rarely run into LW planes tho... the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good are smart enough to not fight me in the arena.
In my opinion, the LW planes require the least acm and the most patience. They really only do a few things well and that makes em pretty much outsiders even in the MA.... they are there..but they are playing a different game than the rest of us... I think that is why so many of them are frustrated and defensive.
lazs
When I get back home, I'll look for you in the MA ;)
LW rides can be alot more flexible than what most people think. I think it was TracerX who said: "LOL! GS ... you had that Dora turning like a spit." when I finally got his F4U in a 5 min 1:1. The LW rides can surprise you if the Luftwobble knows what he's doing, especially the 109. Willy's little masterpiece can do everything good (but not best).
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gs... every plane in the arena can surprise you in the arena if flown by someone who knows what they are doing but.... the ones least likely to surprise me are all LW ones.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
gs... every plane in the arena can surprise you in the arena if flown by someone who knows what they are doing but.... the ones least likely to surprise me are all LW ones.
lazs
Sure, I'll buy that. I'll be seeing you then.
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good deal... allways look forward to a good fite. Hope I don't dissapoint you.
when I flew the -1a I flew it into exactly the same situations that I fly the fm2 into.. The advantage was that people didn't expect a hog to be afggressive or to try to turnfite em.. many lost their concentration when I would hose em down from a high deflection shot. There is something to be said about flying the medium capabilty planes... you are percieved to be less of a threat... if you are ignored long enough you can gain an insurmountable advantage.
lazs
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bye bye GS :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly.. I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena. I rarely run into LW planes tho... the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good are smart enough to not fight me in the arena.
In my opinion, the LW planes require the least acm and the most patience. They really only do a few things well and that makes em pretty much outsiders even in the MA.... they are there..but they are playing a different game than the rest of us... I think that is why so many of them are frustrated and defensive.
lazs
There's a lot of truth in that. The only times I've really been drilled in the MA by a LW plane was when either (a) I was outnumbered because a whole squadron of them came after me; (b) They were higher than me and I was heavy with fuel or in a P-38; and (c) I was in a LW plane, too.
Most of the time, the LW planes I encounter are being flown by guys that fly them for the same reason I do: just to try something different. No real experience in them, just taking one out for a spin to see what its like.
The 190D9 is fast, so about the time I get a guns solution on him he's on his way out of the fight. The 109F is the best turnfighter of the 109 breed, the G2 and G6 seem to handle about the same except for the size of the bullets, and the G10 will compress on me before I realize I'm in trouble.
About the only LW plane I've had any success in is the 190A8 with the four 20mm option. With all of that firepower, I don't need to turn away from an HO, so fancy-shmancy ACM never really becomes an issue so long as I start my attacks from above my target's head. Dropping a ton of bricks on unsuspecting Spitfires is fun for the first night or so, but then its like watching the Abbott and Costello "Who's On First" routine for the umpteenth time. Yeah its fun, but it gets a little old. Although, I did enjoy knocking down a Typhoon in a split-second snapshot from my A8 last night. :)
In my opinion, the best dogfighters are as follows:
(a) Spitfire IX - best blend of speed, ammo load, and turn
(b) N1K2 - best blend of turn, speed, and firepower
(c) FM2 - best blend of turn and rocket attack
(d) Hurricane Mk 2 - best blend of turn and firepower
(e) Yak 9U - best blend of speed and turn
(f) LA-7 - best blend of speed and firepower
(g) P-51D - best blend of speed and ammo load
Not a LW plane amongst them.
That's not to say you can't get kills in a LW plane. You can, easily, particularly in the D9 in rocketship mode and the 190A8 in juggernaut mode. But you're not going to want to be in the baitball in a LW plane. Well, maybe a 109F but don't expect much success.
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Originally posted by lazs2
gs.. I do fine against LW planes in anything I fly.. I am allways interested in fighting anyone tho so I hope I run into you in the arena. I rarely run into LW planes tho... the ones that aren't much good (haven't figured out the limitations and strengths of LW planes) die very easily... the ones that are good are smart enough to not dive into the cv ack to fight me.
... I think that is why I am so frustrated and defensive.
lazs
Makes perfect sense to me:D
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lazerus.. I am sure that in your world that it does make perfect sense to misquote someone so that it fits your fantasy.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
lazerus.. I am sure that in your world that it does make perfect sense to misquote someone so that it fits the true meaning of their post
lazs
Still makes perfect sense to me:D
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would make sense to me too if my head looked like a toothy green ballon I suppose.
lazs
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Originally posted by moot
bye bye GS :)
LOL! Thank you for your confidence in me! ;)
I'm surely not an uberpilot, but I think I can give Lazs2 a good fight. Will be fun nomatter who wins. :)
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I am mediocre at best... I am sure gs will give me a good fite... that's all I ask. Oh.. don't look for lazs2.. it's just lazs
lazs
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cc, will do. See you in about two weeks.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Why did you choose the plane, ( or planes), you most frequently fly in AH? Was your decision made on your experience after trying different planes or was it based on history or possibly a WWII pilot you find interesting?
Just curious.
I select my planes based on the situation.
I fly the Mustang if I have to make a long distance dedication because the forward airfields are capped or if the fuel is porked.
I fly the Yak9U if I see enemies upping for a raid or plan on doing a lot of work below 15k.
I fly the FW190A8 if heavy bombers are involved, or if I plan to make a bunch of HO attacks on fighters, or if there's an opportunity to vulch another airfield.
I fly the FM2 if our carrier is parked off the coast and the action is close, low, and thick. Or if I'm getting frustrated by N1K2s all over the place.
I've recently started flying the 109G10. Its' purpose is much like that of the 190A8, but with less HO'ing going on. Mostly, I started flying it because I've always though the BF109/Me109 planes were just so cool looking. :cool:
Last tour I flew the Yak9U and P51D almost exclusively. I continued flying them this tour, but last night I had some success in the G10 so I may start giving it preferential treatment in the stable.
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Originally posted by GScholz
[BWhat are the strongpoints of the G6? You see I might be looking to upgrade my F4 ;) [/B]
G6 has the same guns as the G10, but with higher perk awards for kills. :)
The main reason I fly the G6 instead of a G10 is that I'm less likely to noseplant than when I'm flying the G10, but lately I've learned to judge the G10's speed a bit so the control problems are becoming less of a problem.
G6 has bigger guns than F4.
G6 has faster cruising speed than F4.
But, for turning and dogfighting, the F4 is my preferred 109. For everything else I've started flying the G10.
As of this moment, if you look at my scores for the G10, it'll say 8 kills, 2 deaths, but that's misleading because my first death was due to a collision with a P-47 that decided to scissors at an inopportune moment, and the other was due to my face planting from 1,000 feet after vulching a N1K2 parked on a rearm pad. Now that I think about it, I think I've only been hit by an enemy plane once, and that was an LA-7 I didn't see coming. He landed one shell and knocked off my left flap, which wasn't much of a loss because I hadn't planned on using my flaps anyway. :p
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I started flying AH around last October, so my experiance with this game isn't nearly as much as a lot of players. I've been experimenting with lots of different planes and lately I've been trying out the P-38 for a change of pace. I like its guns, but I don't like its visibility. The Yak 9U is the one I up when a base is getting vulched or about to be vulched. It's ammo load isn't the best, so I like to keep it close to a friendly base. I use the P-51 and A-20 for Jabo attacks and any of the 190s for base attack. With so many choices in this game, I like to jump around and try them all.
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Originally posted by gofaster
G6 has the same guns as the G10, but with higher perk awards for kills. :)
The main reason I fly the G6 instead of a G10 is that I'm less likely to noseplant than when I'm flying the G10, but lately I've learned to judge the G10's speed a bit so the control problems are becoming less of a problem.
G6 has bigger guns than F4.
G6 has faster cruising speed than F4.
But, for turning and dogfighting, the F4 is my preferred 109. For everything else I've started flying the G10.
As of this moment, if you look at my scores for the G10, it'll say 8 kills, 2 deaths, but that's misleading because my first death was due to a collision with a P-47 that decided to scissors at an inopportune moment, and the other was due to my face planting from 1,000 feet after vulching a N1K2 parked on a rearm pad. Now that I think about it, I think I've only been hit by an enemy plane once, and that was an LA-7 I didn't see coming. He landed one shell and knocked off my left flap, which wasn't much of a loss because I hadn't planned on using my flaps anyway. :p
I see, thanks!
(Btw. I'm guessing you use "combat trim" in the G10? If so, trim her manually and you're never going to compress again ;))
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Originally posted by GScholz
I see, thanks!
(Btw. I'm guessing you use "combat trim" in the G10? If so, trim her manually and you're never going to compress again ;))
Yes I do and thanks for the tip!
Now I have to learn how to program my Fighterstick so I can map trim to one of the hat switches. :p
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Good luck! Takes a while to figure out how to trim her at different speeds. I'm sure you'll find out what you like. (I prefer constant positive trim ... Hartmann style ;))
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We can't talk about LW planes in general. 109 and 190 families are like water and oil. Two planes perfectly suited for two opposite fighting ways with a single and unique common point: they both are good buff hunters.
Lazs, think on this: Real world ACM in WW1/2 were designed to deffend from and attack to closer than 300 yards enemies. Here, the "deadly cone" extends from 600 yards to 900 yards, so, rules are very different and much more relaxed for the "turning" planes. The "extend" capability of the non-agile planes now cant counteract the longer time that the agile plane can keep at their six with high chances of scoring hits. We are getting kills over and over at sidewinder range.
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mandoble I believe you are not completely right. I believe real life guns were every bit as capable of killing at the longer ranges as ours are. Newbies in this game can't hit a plane at 200 yards. I have had newbies on my six when I had bingo ammo and 1/2 an elevator and they stayed very close... firing untill they ran out of ammo.
I think I can generalize about LW planes.. they all put speed climb and roll over turn and range and durability.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
[Bthey all put speed climb and roll over turn and range and durability.lazs [/B]
Climb, roll and speed are extraordinary characteristics when the enemy needs to be at 100 or 200 yards before openning fire on you. But these characteristics become secondary compared to turn when the enemy can kill you at 700 yards over'n over with very few pings.
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Not really... you can hit turning planes pretty easy, as long as they are slow.
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Lazs, you are correct about AH's gunnery being modelled correctlly from a ballistics/damage POV. However AH does not simulate buffeting, turbulence, wingtip vortices, propwash, barrel overheat/wear and jamming (both factors in firing long bursts), and other R/L factors that made gunnery very difficult. See some of the LW guncam footage posted on the BBS and notice how the LW pilots are having difficulties hitting B-17's from a dead-six position. All the propwash and turbulence making their fighters bob up and down and sway sideways.
AH's flight model seems quite accurate when considering a stable (one direction steady wind) standard atmosphere, but dogfighting was a lot less "stable" experience.
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Lazs, think on this: Real world ACM in WW1/2 were designed to deffend from and attack to closer than 300 yards enemies. Here, the "deadly cone" extends from 600 yards to 900 yards, so, rules are very different and much more relaxed for the "turning" planes. The "extend" capability of the non-agile planes now cant counteract the longer time that the agile plane can keep at their six with high chances of scoring hits. We are getting kills over and over at sidewinder range.
IMHO Mandoble is right. Overmodelled range and effect of gunnery makes things a little easier for "turning" planes.
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P-51D "Moonbeam McSWINE" is a most lovely scantily clad lady....I like the no paint, but highly buffed look........I never get tired of flying the pony, hearing the merlin, and the in dash cd player is great! Just love fighting 109's and 190's listening to the Doors, or Buddy Guy! On long bomber escorts, I listen to Dire Straits! :D
Thorns
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hmm... seems that lack of prop wash and buffeting helps the High speed non turners more than the turners... the planes that turn all use deflection shots while the high speed clumsy ones use ded six shooting. But... if it makes you happy to feel you are overcoming some sort of dissadvantage.... If they modeled some sort of prop wash it would affect you more than me... and... how much prop wash is there from a single engin plane 500 yards in front of you? gun cam footage of .50 cal planes I have seen is very steady, especially in deflection shooting...
lazs
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It is idiotic to think that real life gunnery skills of novice shooters (i.e. most combat pilots) would be comparable to sim gunnery skills of players who had tens of thousands of in-game shooting opportunities. Kind of like saying that competetive skeet shooters can't be authentic because they don't shoot like a novice duck hunter on his fourth time out. If you think that highly skilled player gunnery is evil then you should have quit the game after your 50th kill because you had acquired an unrealistic amount of practice.
Hooligan
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Because Kurt Tank built it.
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Originally posted by Thorns
P-51D "Moonbeam McSWINE" is a most lovely scantily clad lady....I like the no paint, but highly buffed look........I never get tired of flying the pony, hearing the merlin, and the in dash cd player is great! Just love fighting 109's and 190's listening to the Doors, or Buddy Guy! On long bomber escorts, I listen to Dire Straits! :D
Thorns
Vlado Lenoch's "Moonbean McSwine"?
Widewing
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Vlado Lenoch's "Moonbean McSwine"?
Yes...He owns a P-51D restored in 1976 like the blue nosed original.
"Moonbeam McSwine" s/n 44-14237 was named and flown by Captain William T. Whisner of the 487th FS, 352nd FG, and he was among lots of great company. God bless them all.
Thorns
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spit 5 for base defence
spit 9/P38 for killing GV`s
la7 for chasing P51`s and run90`s
Spit 9 is the best all round plane in my opinion but thats only MY opinion!
:p
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Originally posted by Hooligan
It is idiotic to think that real life gunnery skills of novice shooters (i.e. most combat pilots) would be comparable to sim gunnery skills of players who had tens of thousands of in-game shooting opportunities.
It is idiotic, retarded and stupid to think that our actual simulation environment simulates, even remotely, the shooting environment of WWII aces with more than 200 kills. Any real life novice would be almost a snipper compared to any of us.
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Depends. I think I'd be a much better shot than a real life WW2 ace shooting in AH for the first time.
He'd undoubtedly be much better than me in real life.
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190a5 is my plane of choice. I think it's a challenging plane to fly while not being too useless.
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ah... so the gunnery thing is basicly just another LW whine? "sure our planes can't turn and most ma combat is low and yes our cannon was weaker than everyone elses but..."
lazs
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It's Mandoble, what did you expect ? He thinks it would be more realistic if browning 50cal bullets, and hispano 20mm shells would just vanish and disappear at 650meters, ya know, like in real life .
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Two second burst ... one second bursts ... don't really matter to me. I'll gnaw off your tail or wingtip with my teeth if I have to.
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post 150! woohoo!
P-47 Rulz!
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The 190A5 is my most fun plane.
Fighting with variasions of scisors and diving barrol rolls along with other ACMs is more rewarding than both BnZ kills and TnB kills.
For the same reason I like the 109G2 or any other plane that relies on characteristics other than speed or turn rate because those two abilities are much too simple to apply.
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TBM Avenger, because thats my favorite WW II combat aircraft.
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So, ......... Is Lazs like the Poster Child of the short bus crowd of Aces High or what?
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Originally posted by TrueTurn
So, ......... Is Lazs like the Poster Child of the short bus crowd of Aces High or what?
Lazs just likes to hitch a ride once in awhile.
Ack-Ack
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so is true turn the poster child for "the guy you avoid at parties because he thinks worn out phrases are still funny"? You know... the guy who weveryone asks about? "who invited that dork..."
lazs
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I try to fly one or two planes each tour now.
This tour the A6M and the 205.
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Started with the spit V: cause was the best compromise between speed and turning capability.
Moved on to the P51b: cause was always being chased down or out run. Also was always low on spits ammo.
Moved on to the Yak9U: Cause the yaks good to handle, fast, small and has no convergence issues.
Moved on to P38: Cause yak always seemed to have too little ammo but other than that was brilliant. P38 also has no need for convergence but is a bit more harder to handle.....but it packs one hell of a punch.
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I used to fly Hurri IIC all the time, its great for learning ACM.
I feel guilty about it but i love the La7, you get a decent pilot in an La7 that knows ACM and its deadly vs. anything (i know he is a salamander, but shane comes to mind)
I also like the Spitfire V (if only we could get a low alt/clipped wing model!!)
And P38 for jabo, SBD/D3a/B26 for stupid mood furballing :D
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Tiff is great vulcher
Staring to like them guns on the pony
Jug D is tough to match for an all-round fighter/attacker
Zeke is great defender
B-26 is steady bomber platform and can turn with the best, but the bomb system is still a little tough for me....