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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on May 01, 2003, 09:39:21 AM
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I just can't wait for the footage of him climbing off that S-3 with all the flight gear on, especially the helmet.
Anyone remember that picture of Michael Dukakis in the Tank?
heheheh
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I wonder if they are going to televise it live?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I just can't wait for the footage of him climbing off that S-3 with all the flight gear on, especially the helmet.
Anyone remember that picture of Michael Dukakis in the Tank?
heheheh
Yeah, but the diference was/is that that was most likely his first and only time in a military vehicle.....
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Imagine the pressure that Navy pilot is under not to bolter.
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I love the way the media screws this all up.
It's staggering how little people know about military aviation.
One guy on the radio this morning was saying they would catch the plane in a net. *schmuck*
You would think that with all the war footage, and specials on Carrier Ops, people would be more informed.
BTW, George W. was not in the military, was he?
He is a qualified helicopter pilot, I believe. I remember seeing a Helicopter in the Smithsonian that he flew that he set some sort of record in.
You can bet your sweet prettythang, this is one trap that the world will be watching.
I would NOT want to be that pilot.
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(http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/gw2.jpg)
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Yahoo news says bush was an F105 pilot.
*thud* :D
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New found respect for Dubya!
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Originally posted by OIO
Yahoo news says bush was an F105 pilot.
*thud* :D
LOL!
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W gets some stick time.
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Yes, he was in the AF Reserves as an F105 pilot. There was a bit of a flap made by the media during the Elections about his not completing his reserves commitment. No doubt the opposition was trying to equate that with former President Clinton's draft dodging.
I have to agree with the assessment regarding the pressure on that Viking pilot:eek:. Wouldn't want to be him/her. I also agree with Muckmaw's assessment of some people in the media...there're some real tools in the media.
Correction: Yep, goofed on the airplane; saw "105" but read it as "102."
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According to FOX, the Viking is due to make the trap (We hope...well, most of us hope anyway..I know we've got a few on this board praying for something awful) at 2:50pm EST.
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I heard he was a F102 pilot.
Which is it?
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Texas ANG, 111th FIS, F-102A.
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Dubya flew the F-102, the first production supersonic jet aircaft in the U.S. Military. How do I know this, you say. My father flew 102's in Bitburg German in the late 1950's. His squadron would go up against Chuck Yeager's Squadron in Tripoli in ACM traning. Also, one of my dad's squadron newsletters once traced where their aircraft went, and at least three went to Texas.
Intersting note about the F-102. Even though it was the first supersonic fighter in the inventory, there is not an example on display in the Smithsonian, only a three foot model which displays the coke bottle fuselage.
Convair F-102 Delta Dagger
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/f102.htm
The F-102 was the world's first supersonic all-weather jet interceptor and the USAF's first operational delta-wing aircraft. Its primary mission was to intercept and destroy enemy aircraft. In a wartime situation, its electronic equipment would locate an enemy aircraft, then radar would guide the plane into position attack. Then, electronic fire control system would automatically fire the F-102's air-to-air rockets and missiles. Gee Ma, no hands!
The F-102 made its initial flight on Oct. 24, 1953 and became operational with the Air Defense Command in 1956. At the peak of deployment in the late 1950's, 25 ADC squadrons were equipped with them. Convair built 1,000 F-102s, 875 of which were F-102As. The USAF also bought 111 TF-102s as combat trainers with side-by-side seating.
I know I know, AW Mac will now post, "Perk the F-102"
My guess is that the Viking Pilot is the best they got. "Ok 3 Wire"is my prediction and I heard on CNN that as soon as he traps, Dubya wants to get a cat shot and go around again!
Can you say FUN!
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http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm
history of deserter boy :)
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Dolf, does it make you feel superior to point out and exagerate the failings of others?
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lord dolf slander :)
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At least he served at all.
That's more than I can say for me...and alot of other people on this board.
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SOMEBODY CALL THE FREAKIN MEDIA AND TELL THEM IT'S A whoopee S-3 VIKING...NOT AN E-2...
AND NEITHER PLANE HAS AFTERBURNERS!!!!!
JESUS CHRIST!!!:mad:
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
history of deserter boy :)
You've got a story about Clinton???
MiG
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Just saw it on Fox...Looks like the President's pilot got them down in one peice...sorry, all you Bush-haters;).
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He landed. Here is a link to the video: http://www.msnbc.com/news/907190.asp?0cv=CA01
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Originally posted by muckmaw
SOMEBODY CALL THE FREAKIN MEDIA AND TELL THEM IT'S A whoopee S-3 VIKING...NOT AN E-2...
AND NEITHER PLANE HAS AFTERBURNERS!!!!!
JESUS CHRIST!!!:mad:
LOL! Relax, Muck. It's not a crisis. The media does this all the time. And most of the viewers don't know or care about the difference. Those of us that do .... already know better. :D
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last time he was in a jet he went AWOL. wonder if he is gonna have a flash back.
clinton didnt desert, he was never in the armed forces. only gw bush did.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
last time he was in a jet he went AWOL
the "last" time bush was in a jet was today in air force one going to califorina.
clinton used a jet to dodge the draft by running to england and then taking a "vacation" in the USSR to study marxism.
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Originally posted by john9001
the "last" time bush was in a jet was today in air force one going to califorina.
It was NAVY 1, not Air Force 1. NAVY 1 Landed with POTUS onboard at about 12:10 Pacific Time. That was the last time he was on a jet!
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Buncha airplane geeks....
:D
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
It was NAVY 1, not Air Force 1. NAVY 1 Landed with POTUS onboard at about 12:10 Pacific Time. That was the last time he was on a jet!
a 747 is not a jet?
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face it all our politictions except a select few(McCain) found ways of dodgeing real service in vietnam.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
last time he was in a jet he went AWOL. wonder if he is gonna have a flash back.
clinton didnt desert, he was never in the armed forces. only gw bush did.
Frogm4n I don't really know you. Is your handle based solely on your love of diving? Bush isn't a deserter. I'm assuming you are calling him one because you've heard lots of people call him one. They are all wrong.
It's pretty amusing actually. A bunch of people with no clue of the fatality rate of pilot trainees and/or all-weather operations, especially in the '60s and '70s, somehow find a way to call the current Commander in Chief a 'deserter' or a 'coward' based on blatant lies containing a minescule sliver of truth (the best kind of lies, no surprise - they come from accomplished liars). It smacks of Dan Rather, who blatantly lied in his reports on the war in Viet Nam, calling George Bush Sr. a 'wimp' on National Television. Or extreme democrats accusing George Bush Sr. of 'abandoning' one of his crewmen when he bailed out of a burning TBM.
The current Commander in Chief is not a deserter. He never was. Please show me any documentation from the U.S.A.F., U.S.A.F.R., A.N.G., or D.O.D. where he was charged with UA, let alone desertion. Anyone who has ever been in the military, and especially anyone who has ever been in the reserves, understands the exact circumstances of our current President's former service in the military - and it's a galaxy away from 'desertion'.
Mike/wulfie
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your right, he just walked away from service for a year. last time i check if a regular guy did that they would get in a tad of trouble. but when you have connections its all good.
oh and frogman comes from my love of putting socks on in the morning.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
your right, he just walked away from service for a year. last time i check if a regular guy did that they would get in a tad of trouble. but when you have connections its all good.
oh and frogman comes from my love of putting socks on in the morning.
He didn't check in, but that happens alot in the reserves and I have never seen anonye officially reprimanded for similar actions. Usually a stern talking to by the unit commander. I assume you understand my disagreeing with the equivalence assigned to his actions and the term 'deserter'?
Mike/wulfie
p.s. Check your email!
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well of course i just like making a big deal about nothing. every side does it.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
well of course i just like making a big deal about nothing. every side does it.
Yes, but my side is...ihssssss...ihhhhssssssss the RIGHT SIDE!
(slaps hand on right arm to pin vs. wheelchair)
"Mein Bush!"
:)
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
You've got a story about Clinton???
MiG
(http://secure.mediaresearch.org/news/images1/clintonair1.gif)
... the rest of the story ... (http://secure.mediaresearch.org/rm/stewardess/segment1.ram)
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Originally posted by john9001
a 747 is not a jet?
Of course it is but the question was when was he last on a jet not when was the last tim ehe was on a four engine jet. So. follow thje logic no John, first he flies to West Coast on AF1. He gets off Air force 1. At that time, the last jet he was on was Air Force 1. Then, this happened later in time John, he got into Navy 1, the S-3 Viking, which is also a jet. He flew that to the carrier Abraham Lincoln and got out. Thus, the last time he was on a jet wa not Air Force 1, but was Navy 1.
Sheesh, :D
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
your right, he just walked away from service for a year. last time i check if a regular guy did that they would get in a tad of trouble. but when you have connections its all good.
Shut up frogman. You know not of what you speak.
Some day, ask me how I separated from the National Guard and what they did about it. Then feel free to ask my wife how she separated from the National Guard and what they did about it. And while your at it, ask anyone that had a change of job, venue or lifestyle that separated from the Guard or Reserves and what they did to them.
The Reserves and the National Guard are not active duty. If you'd take a second to learn the differences, you wouldn't be looking like such an idiot right now.
MiniD
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MiniD
Frog man would look like the king of idiots no matter what he did. :rolleyes:
I did the Reserves for 24 years, had a "bad" year too so only 23 count for retirement. Of course as far as frogboy is concerned that would make me a deserter then. :rolleyes:
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Ah... go easy on him. I think he's only 13 or so. We had to create a special PG-13 section for him in the FDB forum.
He'll grow up eventually, and maybe learn a thing or two. Either that or he'll become a democrat. :D
MiniD
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Hey they put monkeys in space before.
No farce
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The F100 was the first supersonic USAF jet in service. Not the F102.
The F106 has a coke bottle fuselage not the F102.
As to Bush dodging wars. If he wasnt so keen to start wars maybe people would forgive him not wanting to participate.
If he wasnt such a hypocrite, people might forgive him having dady make his drug charges disappear.
I think that this carrier stunt was just a photo op for the coming campaign. Like Macarthy shooting coconuts from a b17 tail gun position for a photo op.
But he is as american as they get. The support he gets here really indicates that the US got the leader they want. Whether they really elected him or not.
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Originally posted by Pongo
The F100 was the first supersonic USAF jet in service. Not the F102.
The F106 has a coke bottle fuselage not the F102.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Well, let's just see how much our Canadian friend knows!
Convair F-102 Delta Dagger
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/f102.htm
From http://www. globalsecurity.org:
CONVAIR F-102A "Delta Dagger"
The primary mission of the F-102 was to intercept and destroy enemy aircraft. It was the world's first supersonic all-weather jet interceptor and the USAF's first operational delta-wing aircraft. Built by Convair (General Dynamics); the F-102 was the first all-weather supersonic jet interceptor. First to use the 'area rule' design concept which pushed the speed beyond the sonic barrier, the F-102 was to be superseded by the more advanced F-106, which could exceed 1,000 mph. The F-102, which first flew in 1953, was able to fly in the supersonic speed range only after being redesigned according to the precepts of the transonic area rule. The result is the well-known "Coke bottle" shaped fuselage. The first aircraft to which the area-rule principle was applied was the Convair F-102 delta-wing fighter.
Either that or the smithsonian is all wrong.
But thanks anyway Pongo. Keep working on your research technique! Meanwhile, I'll keep using global security and the Smithsonian Institution for my military history facts.
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Originally posted by Pongo
The F100 was the first supersonic USAF jet in service. Not the F102.
The F106 has a coke bottle fuselage not the F102.
As to Bush dodging wars. If he wasnt so keen to start wars maybe people would forgive him not wanting to participate.
If he wasnt such a hypocrite, people might forgive him having dady make his drug charges disappear.
I think that this carrier stunt was just a photo op for the coming campaign. Like Macarthy shooting coconuts from a b17 tail gun position for a photo op.
But he is as american as they get. The support he gets here really indicates that the US got the leader they want. Whether they really elected him or not.
Allow me to translate from Canadwhineian:
BOOHOOOOHOO AMERICA SUCKS!
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The F-100 was the first supersonic jet used by the US.
The F-102 was the first supersonic interceptor .
J_A_B
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Pere Bush was the real hero, flew Avengers in WW2. Utmost respect for him. I heard Son Bush enlisted in the ANG to escape the war in Vietnam, possibly at his father's suggestion and with his father's connections. I don't know enough to make my own opinion, but that's what one of my US history teachers said. IMO, anybody who flies fighter jets, in peace time of combat, has more than enough balls to go around.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
The F-100 was the first supersonic jet used by the US.
The F-102 was the first supersonic interceptor .
Yeppers... a very fine line there. Seems the electronics packages were really the only things distinguishing them at the time... and about 300mph of speed.
MiniD
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skyzgone
"Dubya flew the F-102, the first production supersonic jet aircaft in the U.S. Military. How do I know this, you say. My father flew 102's in Bitburg German in the late 1950's. His squadron would go up against Chuck Yeager's Squadron in Tripoli in ACM traning. Also, one of my dad's squadron newsletters once traced where their aircraft went, and at least three went to Texas.
Intersting note about the F-102. Even though it was the first supersonic fighter in the inventory, there is not an example on display in the Smithsonian, only a three foot model which displays the coke bottle fuselage.
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You twice said that the 102 was the first supersonic fighter in the US inventory. That is just wrong. I am not sure what your problem is but the F100a was a supersonic fighter in service 2 years before the the F102. I have never heard someone contest the point before.
The coke bottle fuselage was the reason they made the F106. To take advantage of a design teqnique that led to a major rework of the aircraft. So the only 102s that had it were the first prototypes for the 106. No production 102 had it.
Post links till you go blue in the face. your wrong on both counts. If you care so much about these aircraft you should learn a little about them.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Allow me to translate from Canadwhineian:
BOOHOOOOHOO AMERICA SUCKS!
No ..you suck and Bush sucks..But I like america.
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A pretty good writeup on the F-106:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/f106a.htm
That site has excellent information on all of the Jet fighters. The 106 also had that Genie air-2-air nuke.
MiniD