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Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: 10Bears on May 02, 2003, 04:18:07 PM
U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws  (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/05/02/us_pot_rxn030502)

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David Murray, right-wing-hand job man to U.S. "drug czar" John Walters, says he doesn't want to tread on another country's sovereignty, [size=8]but[/size] warned there would be serious consequences if Canada proceeds with a plan to decriminalize the possession of marijuana.


Syria, N. Korea.. git back in line!.. you just gonna haveta wait yer turn.. we gotta go STOMP Canada now..

Hmmm maybe they got some WMD up there.. well, you never know less we stove in there an find out!.

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Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKIron on May 02, 2003, 04:24:50 PM
I think those "consequences" threatened were of the economic/trade disfavor type rather than of a military nature, don't you?
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: lord dolf vader on May 02, 2003, 04:29:02 PM
he is powerless in the united states other than attempting to wipe his bellybutton with the constitution. illeagle drugs are the only thing i know of getting cheaper. guess hes throwing attention at somone where it is truely utterly pointless to keep the money flowing to the "drug troopers" (as they have a hard time making it on bribes now). like the canadians care what he thinks.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKIron on May 02, 2003, 04:31:24 PM
Ah, so now it's unconstitutional to make drugs illegal. :rolleyes:
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SOB on May 02, 2003, 04:31:24 PM
"He said if marijuana becomes more widely used in Canada, it could penetrate more widely into the U.S."


Oh, dear Jebus, NO!  The Reefer Madness is gonna get us!  WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!


SOB
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: midnight Target on May 02, 2003, 04:35:23 PM
Canadian pot sucks...

They can keep it.

(Of course this is all based on long past memory)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKIron on May 02, 2003, 04:39:31 PM
I can see it now, pot's finally legalized in the US. 5 years later, Joe Blow and all his brothers and sisters will be suing the government for not protecting them from the known health hazards. Much like idiots sue the tobacco companies now.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Furious on May 02, 2003, 04:41:31 PM
marijuana is just about the most stupid thing for our government to be spending time on.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Furious on May 02, 2003, 04:42:16 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
I can see it now, pot's finally legalized in the US. 5 years later, Joe Blow and all his brothers and sisters will be suing the government for not protecting them from the known health hazards. Much like idiots sue the tobacco companies now.


Illegalize idiots then.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: funkedup on May 02, 2003, 04:42:30 PM
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marijuana is just about the most stupid thing for our government to be spending time on.


Yep our tax dollars at work.  :(

Remember to vote Libertarian in 2004.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: WineMan on May 02, 2003, 04:43:10 PM
Of all the stupid things to get one's panties up in a bunch about!!

PUH-LEEZ!
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: funkedup on May 02, 2003, 04:44:27 PM
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Originally posted by WineMan
Do you have a link to that at all story at all??

Of all the stupid things to get one's panties up in a bunch about!!

PUH-LEEZ!


Sounds to me like the Czar is the one with the panty issues.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: WineMan on May 02, 2003, 04:44:58 PM
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Originally posted by funkedup
Sounds to me like the Czar is the one with the panty issues.


lol - that's what I meant.....

I mean Jeez - shouldn't we go after the Dutch first!  After all, Amsterdam is severely corrupting our youth with their free drug policies!!! (note sarcasm)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: funkedup on May 02, 2003, 04:46:43 PM
OH :)

BTW Your location... are you actually living IN the brewery?  :)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: WineMan on May 02, 2003, 04:49:22 PM
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Originally posted by funkedup
OH :)

BTW Your location... are you actually living IN the brewery?  :)


LOL - no.  Just the mountains, but I do consume quite a bit of their beers, despite my handle....:D
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKIron on May 02, 2003, 04:50:00 PM
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Originally posted by Furious
Illegalize idiots then.


More than a few laws designed to do just that, well, idiotic behavior anyhow.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: boxboy28 on May 02, 2003, 04:55:54 PM
US should just legalize it!  
I love the fact the GWB was a coke head once! what else has he done?
LOL if the US legalized it   The Bush girls will be come hippie chicks! :D
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Furious on May 02, 2003, 05:03:33 PM
AKIron-

Do you honestly see legallized marijuana being a threat to our nation?
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Post by: Duedel on May 02, 2003, 05:10:53 PM
;)
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Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Toad on May 02, 2003, 06:22:15 PM
Why are you suprised?

This was all on the PNAC website. They've been planning the Canadian attack for 13 years now I think.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Mini D on May 02, 2003, 06:29:27 PM
Wow... great group of guys here.

Someone says that increased use of Marijuana in Canada would mean increase in delays at the border and increased border guards in general and this is what the topic turns too?

I'm pretty sure this is what happens whenever there is an outbreak of some type of fruit fly also.  It just doesn't get the press coverage.

MiniD
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Post by: bowser on May 02, 2003, 06:38:47 PM
LOL Deudel.  :)


He's just afraid everybody will want to move up here.  Hey wait...we better think this through.

bowser
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Suave on May 02, 2003, 06:42:01 PM
I like the new pro marijuana comercials on TV now. Like that one about how if you buy pot you are supporting terrorist, becuase pot isn't legal to grow here in the US like it should be .
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKIron on May 02, 2003, 06:43:27 PM
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Originally posted by Furious
AKIron-

Do you honestly see legallized marijuana being a threat to our nation?


i dunno, possibly, I do see drug and alcohol abuse as being a serious problem in our country. Would that problem get worse with legalization? Maybe.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Suave on May 02, 2003, 06:44:34 PM
If they do legalize weed in Canada how are those eskimos gonna grow it ?
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SirLoin on May 02, 2003, 07:50:45 PM
David Murray needs a nice hot cup of STFU.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Imp on May 02, 2003, 08:09:01 PM
David Murray must also worried about Nevada hookers corrupting the states around it? :rolleyes:

If we legalize pot, then we do and there is nothing he can do about it. He should try to do something useful instead.
Does he really think we care what he thinks, most Canadians have never heard of the guy.

Pot is about as dangerous as cigarettes anyway.

We have some nice images on cigarette pack here in Canada (warning that it can cause cancer and make a man eehh well, you know less effective :D )
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: rc51 on May 02, 2003, 09:22:18 PM
America needs to worry bout her own back yard.
She don't need to tell any other country what to do
JMHO
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Sandman on May 02, 2003, 09:35:46 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Canadian pot sucks...

They can keep it.

(Of course this is all based on long past memory)


Can't speak from experience, but I've heard that the pot grown in Vancouver is stronger than anything we could imagine in the 70's. :)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: ra on May 02, 2003, 09:53:12 PM
If Canada legalizes pot the consequences will be a flood of American pot heads immigrating and asking for citizenship and Doritos.
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Post by: Sixpence on May 02, 2003, 11:03:32 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
i dunno, possibly, I do see drug and alcohol abuse as being a serious problem in our country. Would that problem get worse with legalization? Maybe.



From what they tell us, prohibition didn't work.

And I consider Alcohol to be are far worse problem than pot.

And smoking pot will cause a health problem, like smoking cigs, it could lead to lung cancer. So I offer this advice, dont' smoke it...............bake it in some cookies or brownies:D
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKIron on May 02, 2003, 11:36:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
From what they tell us, prohibition didn't work.



Hard to say if we'd have the alcoholism problem we have today if prohibition hadn't been lifted. No doubt many would still drink even though it was illegal, much as they did then and much as other drug users do now.

Just wondering if more of the casual drug abusers would give themselves completely over to it if it were legal, like many have to alcohol.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Pongo on May 02, 2003, 11:41:52 PM
Last president was a pot smoker.
This one was a coke head.

someone should put a big bellybutton mirror in orbit above the US so some of these clowns can take a good hard look at it.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Sixpence on May 03, 2003, 01:39:35 AM
lol, trying coke in college does not make you a coke head. Boy, being prez in this country is a no win situation.
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Post by: SirLoin on May 03, 2003, 02:04:04 AM
She don't lie...

She don't lie...

She don't lie...

Cocaine......

(Dun nuh nuh nuh...Duh nuh nuh)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Siaf__csf on May 03, 2003, 02:17:04 AM
At least I'm lucky to live in a country where 'trying coke in a college' is read as trying a drink of coca cola - not sniffing up some ****.

I've always been amazed of the extent of your country's drug problem. Your govenrment IMO really faces a much larger threat there, within, not from terrorism.

They killed 3000 in a big crash, how many americans die to drugs and drug related crime each year?
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Mini D on May 03, 2003, 02:29:24 AM
Siaf... that is a pretty ****ed up thing to say.

Let me put it in perspective for you...

Suppose terrorists blew up the Eiffel Tower and killed 5000 people.  Would the French government say "Hell, we lost more people than that to traffic incidents last year, so we're not going to worry about it."?



And.. what makes you think the government isn't trying to prevent both from happening?  Or maybe you haven't seen any of the "war on drugs" threads?

MiniD
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Saintaw on May 03, 2003, 02:48:53 AM
Huh? No Coke heads in Paris? We must not live on the same planet Siaf. Open your eyes sir.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Sixpence on May 03, 2003, 06:32:12 AM
I think the iraq minister of info now has a job in France.

"there are no drugs in france"
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Arlo on May 03, 2003, 06:45:44 AM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I think the iraq minister of info now has a job in France.

"there are no drugs in france"


Hehe .... well he was "Angolan" last month, yaknow. This is probably the first case of international MPD I've ever seen online (or anywhere for this matter). ;) :D
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Bodhi on May 03, 2003, 07:19:38 AM
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Originally posted by Imp
Pot is about as dangerous as cigarettes anyway.


That statement is the most uneducated bit of trash I have ever heard on these boards.  Cigarettes while a filthy habit and horrific for your lung tissue, libido, and blood pressure; do not hold a candle to the health hazards associated with the Marijuana that is grown today.  Keep in mind, that owing to the hybridization of the plants, cross-breeding different strains has produced a drug that is far more capable of it's effects than it was 30 years ago.  Some of the major risks involve the destruction of massive amounts of brain tissue, increased risk of lung cancer as opposed to cigarette smokers, and a much higher risk of addiction to marijuana (Yes, Marijuana is addictive)  It is also highly recognised that Marijuana is a "gateway" drug that can lead to the use of harder and more addictive illicit drugs.  The thought of legalising Marijuana is not only rediculous, it is down right wrong and poses a threat to public health and a worse drain on our already over loaded health care system.

Instead of legalising Marijuana, they should raise the penalties for possesion, and instill severe penalties for distribution.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Creamo on May 03, 2003, 07:30:53 AM
Cigarettes do not hold a candle to the health hazards associated with the Marijuana that is grown today? Huh?

Uneducated has nothing to do with being a retard. You'll never learn, and it's not your fault mind you.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: majic on May 03, 2003, 07:48:24 AM
Yeah guys, marijuana should be legal cause you can make rope and really cool shirts from it!

:rolleyes:
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Post by: Swoop on May 03, 2003, 07:54:06 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
It is also highly recognised that Marijuana is a "gateway" drug that can lead to the use of harder and more addictive illicit drugs.  



Dunno what happens in the US but in the UK the reason it's a gateway drug is because it's illegal.  See, the money isnt in marijuana, it's in coke and crack and E's and uppers/downers and speed and christ knows what else these days.  Most dealers I've known dont just deal in grass.   I've even known of people given freebies by dealers purely to encourage them to move up a stage.......


Buy from pot head hippies and it aint a problem.

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Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Creamo on May 03, 2003, 07:55:05 AM
Yeah guys, marijuana should be legal cause you can make rope and really cool shirts from it!


No, because it is a herb, and although it may make people lazy, so does Opra and McDonalds Super Sized meals. Add laws and welfare that promote people to claim disability to that long lazy list.

A joint ain't going to hurt you anymore than 3 Ribeye steaks. Piss off.
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Post by: Arlo on May 03, 2003, 07:58:26 AM
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Originally posted by Creamo

A joint ain't going to hurt you anymore than 3 Ribeye steaks. Piss off.


Relax .... curb the aggression, dude. Light up a doobie. ;)
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Post by: straffo on May 03, 2003, 08:01:13 AM
@Saw && Sixpence there is a subtil difference between :
"boire un coke" (cocal cola) and "se faire un rail" (cocaine)...

And fortunately we don't have cocaine probleme in college ...
fyi college is for 12/14 years here.
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Post by: majic on May 03, 2003, 08:03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Relax .... curb the aggression, dude. Light up a doobie. ;)




:D
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Post by: Arlo on May 03, 2003, 08:04:22 AM
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Originally posted by straffo

...
fyi college is for 12/14 years here.


Yeah ... we have a few rich dumb students here as well. :(
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Post by: Bluedog on May 03, 2003, 08:36:17 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Can't speak from experience, but I've heard that the pot grown in Vancouver is stronger than anything we could imagine in the 70's. :)


He he, the weed grown just about anywhere in the world is far stronger than anything available in the '70s.....due in no small part to the research efforts of the United States Government.
Three cheers for Uncle Sam ! :)
Dont believe me? do some reasearch on a strain of pot called G-13, still some of the best there is, geneticaly engineered to give the high without the paranoia.
What has me curious is what exact use non-paranoia inducing weed is to Uncle Sam?


Off fer a bong,
Blue
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Bodhi on May 03, 2003, 08:37:55 AM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Relax .... curb the aggression, dude. Light up a doobie. ;)


Arlo,

It's not Creamo's fault that he has so much pent up aggression, it comes from living a know-it-all do nothing union mentality that has been crammed down his throat since he started working at the airlines.  His major problem with the non-legalization of marijuana is that he can not get by the drug tests required for his work while it is illegal, legalise it and he has a chance to forget his miserable life when he gets home and lights up a fattie.  Until then, he's stuck with Old Milwaukee's Best.

:rolleyes:

And he pokes at others for being "retarded" maybe he should look in the mirror.
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Post by: Imp on May 03, 2003, 08:51:24 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
That statement is the most uneducated bit of trash I have ever heard on these boards.  Cigarettes while a filthy habit and horrific for your lung tissue, libido, and blood pressure; do not hold a candle to the health hazards associated with the Marijuana that is grown today.  Keep in mind, that owing to the hybridization of the plants, cross-breeding different strains has produced a drug that is far more capable of it's effects than it was 30 years ago.  Some of the major risks involve the destruction of massive amounts of brain tissue, increased risk of lung cancer as opposed to cigarette smokers, and a much higher risk of addiction to marijuana (Yes, Marijuana is addictive)  It is also highly recognised that Marijuana is a "gateway" drug that can lead to the use of harder and more addictive illicit drugs.  The thought of legalising Marijuana is not only rediculous, it is down right wrong and poses a threat to public health and a worse drain on our already over loaded health care system.

Instead of legalising Marijuana, they should raise the penalties for possesion, and instill severe penalties for distribution.


I said about as dangerous.

Besides, if its legal than you can control quality.

Ive never smoked pot and I dont intend to but if someone wants to use it thats fine with me.
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Post by: lazs2 on May 03, 2003, 09:58:48 AM
they should legalize pot... the more stupid people around the better I look.  I also think that if you have any in your system while driving....your drivers licence should be revolked.   the less people on the road the better for me.
lazs
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Post by: Airhead on May 03, 2003, 10:41:05 AM
I've been smoking pot since 1967 and grew pot in Humboldt  County for several years and I can safely say the occasional use of marijuana is no more harmful than a glass of red wine with dinner.

It will not make you lazy, you won't go insane, you won't grow tits and you won't end up a heroin addict. Personally I don't care if it's legal or not, although I do consider it ironic that I've gone from hiding my weed from my parents to hiding it from my daughter.
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Post by: AKIron on May 03, 2003, 10:44:12 AM
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Originally posted by Airhead
I've been smoking pot since 1967 and grew pot in Humboldt  County for several years and I can safely say the occasional use of marijuana is no more harmful than a glass of red wine with dinner.  


Unlike bouncing you're head off the concrete while bungie jumping? Forgive me if I don't take your opinion too seriously. :p
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Post by: vorticon on May 03, 2003, 10:50:42 AM
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Originally posted by majic
Yeah guys, marijuana should be legal cause you can make rope and really cool shirts from it!

:rolleyes:


actually its hemp you make the shirts and ropes from and thats already legal and being used...


airhead a glass of red wine at dinner is supposed to be benificial to your health

your daughter is probably hiding her pot from you...

as for the issue...there is none...we dont scream and cry about your slack gun laws you dont scream and cry about our ever slackening pot laws...sounds simple enough to me...
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Post by: Raubvogel on May 03, 2003, 11:02:22 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
That statement is the most uneducated bit of trash I have ever heard on these boards.  


I thought the same thing about this:

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 Some of the major risks involve the destruction of massive amounts of brain tissue, increased risk of lung cancer as opposed to cigarette smokers, and a much higher risk of addiction to marijuana (Yes, Marijuana is addictive)  It is also highly recognised that Marijuana is a "gateway" drug that can lead to the use of harder and more addictive illicit drugs.  The thought of legalising Marijuana is not only rediculous, it is down right wrong and poses a threat to public health and a worse drain on our already over loaded health care system.

Instead of legalising Marijuana, they should raise the penalties for possesion, and instill severe penalties for distribution.


Where to start...
Marijuana is not physically addictive. Any addiction is psychological and no different than a fat chick being addicted to HoHos.

"Gateway" drug? Please. Anyone willing to become addicted to cocaine, crack, heroin, meth, etc, would be just as willing if marijuana did not exist. There are millions of people who smoke pot and never become crackheads. But there are plenty of crackheads would be crackheads regardless of the availability of pot.

Pot destroys brain tissue eh? Marijuana may hamper short term memory and cognition, but there are no studies linking marijuana use to permanent brain damage.....give me a break.

More severe penalties for marijuana? Yep, that's all we need to crowd our prisons even more than they are now. Let's put away the really dangerous people, the potheads. :rolleyes:
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Post by: SirLoin on May 03, 2003, 11:09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Raubvogel

 

 Any addiction is psychological and no different than a fat chick being addicted to HoHos.
 


lol:D
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Post by: Imp on May 03, 2003, 11:13:16 AM
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Originally posted by vorticon
actually its hemp you make the shirts and ropes from and thats already legal and being used...


airhead a glass of red wine at dinner is supposed to be benificial to your health

your daughter is probably hiding her pot from you...

as for the issue...there is none...we dont scream and cry about your slack gun laws you dont scream and cry about our ever slackening pot laws...sounds simple enough to me...


I agree about the daughter thing :D

I dont see pressure groups saying US gun laws should be more strict here in Canada.

So why should I have to suffer from whiners like Murray. If he doesnt like our laws then he should stay out. Wont cost him anything. We have plenty of whiners here anyway, we dont need one more. :D

If you meet him, tell him to go whine to people who care about his opinions. Like some US citizens for example. US has enough problems of its own. He should solve those first then he can talk about Canada's.

That way I wont have to hear from him for the rest of my life :D
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Post by: Martlet on May 03, 2003, 11:30:23 AM
I don't do drugs.  I spent most of my military years in South America fighting the war on drugs.

I think it should be legalized for several reasons.  For one, I'm sick of the gov't telling me what's good for me.  The only time they should poke their noses into my house is when what goes on there affects others.   Most crimes aren't committed to get money for pot.  If they are concerned about driving while using, then they should outlaw alcohol too.

The gov't should legalize pot and put it under gov't control.  They grow it, tax it, and regulate it.  It would provide a safer and better quality product, and raise a crap load of money.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Bodhi on May 03, 2003, 12:19:35 PM
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Where to start...
Marijuana is not physically addictive. Any addiction is psychological and no different than a fat chick being addicted to HoHos.


Revoking Raubvogel Lie # 1

marijuana (màr´e-wä´ne) or marihuana, is a relatively mild but, addictive drug with hallucinogenic properties, obtained from the flowering tops, stems, and leaves of the HEMP plant.  Last time I checked, HoHos did not cause Short-term memory loss, Accelerated heartbeat, Increased blood pressure, Difficulty with concentrating and information processing, Lapses in judgment, Problems with perception and motor skills.  These are all signs of pysiological addiction which in most cases can be tougher to break than a physical.

(http://www.psych.org)


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Originally posted by Raubvogel
"Gateway" drug? Please. Anyone willing to become addicted to cocaine, crack, heroin, meth, etc, would be just as willing if marijuana did not exist. There are millions of people who smoke pot and never become crackheads. But there are plenty of crackheads would be crackheads regardless of the availability of pot.


Revoking Raubvogel Lie #2

Over 90% of first time uses of "hardcore" (Heroin, Cocain, Crack Cocaine, PCP, Crystal Meth, and LSD) drugs have been linked to Marijuana users experiencing a "new high".  This problem, also known as the Gateway Effect is becoming increasingly worse among High School Students and young college students.  Studies show, that most hardcore drug users got their start on the lesser drug marijuana.  Quickly realising the "high" to be of a more intense quality, marijuana use was left behind in favor of the new hardcore drugs.

(New England Journal of Medicine)


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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Pot destroys brain tissue eh? Marijuana may hamper short term memory and cognition, but there are no studies linking marijuana use to permanent brain damage.....give me a break.


Revoking Raubvogel's Lie # 3

Chronic use will eventually produce permanent effect on memory since the hippocampus will adjust its memory storage mechanisms to handle the lower capacity or volume of information produced by the drug. Thus, even when the drug is not present, the hippocampus will be altered and reduced in capacity to perform at an optimum level. This may be the basis for the well-known memory deficits that are present in chronic marijuana users.  It is this area, when damaged, that renders patients literally incapable of remembering new information for more than a few minutes and is undoubtedly critically involved in the well known memory deficits in Alzheimer's disease. When these hippocampal marijuana receptors are affected by the cannabis, they have the effect of rendering the hippocampus inactive.  

(National Institutes of Health, Publication No. 96-4106)


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Originally posted by Raubvogel
More severe penalties for marijuana? Yep, that's all we need to crowd our prisons even more than they are now. Let's put away the really dangerous people, the potheads. :rolleyes:



"...Most specifically, we should impose severe penalties on the dealers.  Users, are only going to cost us billions next year in abuse support, increased medical cost, and family counseling.  Not to mention the costs imposed by Marijuana users moving on to more intense drugs now widely available to them."

(New York Times)


Guess I am an idiot huh Raubvogel?  I think it is time for you to get off the pothead sites promoting their "wonderous recreation" and start reading more reputable sources.  All of which I have quoted for you to educate yourself on the hazards of this supposed "harmles drug".  A lot of this information too can be garnered by taking yourself to the local trauma center and asking them to point you in the direction for the drug abuse center.  Spend a few weeks of time volunteering down there, then tell us all Marijuana is not a addictive, destructive drug.  THen, and only then can you roll your eyes about this.

:(
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Animal on May 03, 2003, 12:59:58 PM
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Originally posted by Creamo
Yeah guys, marijuana should be legal cause you can make rope and really cool shirts from it!


No, because it is a herb, and although it may make people lazy, so does Opra and McDonalds Super Sized meals. Add laws and welfare that promote people to claim disability to that long lazy list.

A joint ain't going to hurt you anymore than 3 Ribeye steaks. Piss off.


This is why I love you.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Saintaw on May 03, 2003, 01:27:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Yeah ... we have a few rich dumb students here as well. :(


LMAO :D
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SOB on May 03, 2003, 01:46:56 PM
Where in the hell is AKSeaWulfe?  No pot thread is complete without him!

And Bohdi...first of all, it's none of your business what another person does to their body, so whether pot is harmful to your memory or not is moot.  Second, anyone with an ounce of common sense knows this "gateway drug" nonsense is just that, nonsense.  People who use hard drugs actually used safer drugs before?!  No sh*t.  People make a concious choice to do what they do.  There are consequences and benefits to doing anything...including specific drugs.  Because some chose to start with pot does not mean that pot was the impetus for them to use something worse.


SOB
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: fffreeze220 on May 03, 2003, 01:52:30 PM
lol duedel Stole my reworked avatar again eh ?
DIEB elender Dieb :)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Suave on May 03, 2003, 02:01:39 PM
Yes Bohdi you're an idiot, despite what you've been told marijuana is not pysiologically addictive (physiological means physical btw).

 And the logic that 90% of hard drug users use marijuana, thus marijuana caused them to use hard drugs, is incredibly flawed . Gatewaydrug is an invented buzzword .

Marijuana is much less harmfull than the toxin ETOH, commonly known as alcohol .

As for trauma centers, people overdosing on marijuana ? Sorry you've been lied to again, it's not possible .

I've worked at drug detox centers, and I work in trauma centers .
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Airhead on May 03, 2003, 02:08:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
..it comes from living a know-it-all do nothing union mentality that has been crammed down his throat since he started working at the airlines.  

:rolleyes:



Wow, how did I miss this anti-Union rant? Bodhi, you know even less about unions and union workers than you do about marijuana. I wouldn't use anyone but a Union plumber, union electrician or union carpenter if I were to build a house. The qualification program for the Plumbers' Union, for instance, requires 5 YEARS of class work and field work before a Journeyman's Card is issued. In all candor, Bodhi, you don't know what you're talking about.

I'd say more but I gotta go to Loaves and Fishes to take care of all the marijuana addicts pushing shopping carts around, unable to remember who they are anymore. :rolleyes:
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: vorticon on May 03, 2003, 02:13:06 PM
but you can OD on maryj just like you can OD on booze...

more people are killed as a result of everyone having a "right" to owning a gun than are killed by marijuana...yes there is an asociated risk that comes with taking ANY drug...at most a person will smoke 2 bowls of pot a day...unlike 2 packs a day taken by smokers...yes you willl eventually get the same problems you get with smoking cig's if you smoke marijuana but it will take more time...yes it causes memory problems but guess what...ive remember more of what happened on the one day i smoked it than i do on a day when i spend more than 3 hours in front of a computer...

legalizing marijuana will actually decrese health risks currently associated with it because everyone will KNOW that what there getting is clean...

i think that the U.S. is just using it as an excuse to cause even MORE economic downfall in canada than they already have...
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Creamo on May 03, 2003, 02:13:33 PM
Didn't you know that smoking pot makes you do nothing like a union member Air?
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Torque on May 03, 2003, 02:39:54 PM
You notice how alcohol is never mentioned as a gateway drug.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SirLoin on May 03, 2003, 02:40:03 PM
Bodhi,would you rather fly on an aircraft that was serviced by non-unionized mechanics?

Didn't think so...
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Furball on May 03, 2003, 02:44:43 PM
http://www.smokersguide.com

:D
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Bodhi on May 03, 2003, 04:47:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
Bodhi,would you rather fly on an aircraft that was serviced by non-unionized mechanics?

Didn't think so...


Take a walk on a unionised ramp one of these days SirLoin, that alone will make you not want to use the overpaid, under worked, under-skilled, lazy arse union mechanics.  Between they and the Execs it's a wonder the mechanics Unions haven't bankrupted all the airlines as yet.  But don't worry, they will.  Just gonna be nice watching us non-union mechanics maintaining our 401 K's and retirement, while the know-it-alls lose theirs.  As for the mechanics unions, they suck, plain and simple.  The only thing worse are the execs at MOST of the big airlines.  Hard to tell who is going to steal more of your money.  
:p
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Bodhi on May 03, 2003, 04:52:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Suave
I've worked at drug detox centers, and I work in trauma centers .


Suave, I am very glad that you take the time to work in Detox centers.  I have myself (albeit as a volunteer), while I have never seen a marijuana overdose, I have seen plenty of high school kids that OD'd after first smoking pot, then "trying" something else.  It's sad, and I feel that had the drugs, including marijuana not been there, then this would not have been a problem.  

Ohh, u are right on the misuse of word, was my bad, was in a hurry as I am now.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: rc51 on May 03, 2003, 05:50:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Siaf__csf
At least I'm lucky to live in a country where 'trying coke in a college' is read as trying a drink of coca cola - not sniffing up some ****.

I've always been amazed of the extent of your country's drug problem. Your govenrment IMO really faces a much larger threat there, within, not from terrorism.

They killed 3000 in a big crash, how many americans die to drugs and drug related crime each year?


Not for you to worry about frenchy!
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Creamo on May 03, 2003, 06:05:48 PM
I gotta admit, unions as a whole suck, but don't lump in industrial unions with craft/trade unions. There is a diffrence.

The overpaid and underworked part is true, and just perfect for me, thank you very much. Don't let it consume you though Bod.
(and stay off a the ramp if your don't belong there, you will get arrested)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SirLoin on May 03, 2003, 06:30:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
Take a walk on a unionised ramp one of these days SirLoin


Been there...Also walked non-unionised ramps too...I'll take representation over company kok anytime...Glad I got out before things went down the toilet in the aircraft industry...(I worked at DeHavilland's/Boeing BTW)

Oh and I'm doing quite well in a Union shop right now.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Bodhi on May 03, 2003, 08:39:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Creamo
I gotta admit, unions as a whole suck, but don't lump in industrial unions with craft/trade unions. There is a diffrence.

The overpaid and underworked part is true, and just perfect for me, thank you very much. Don't let it consume you though Bod.
(and stay off a the ramp if your don't belong there, you will get arrested)


Creamo, don't let your little head worry you as to why I am on the ramp, used to be a big company that paid me to work on the oversized hoovers, now it's more like I run it, but so be it.  I do remember the old days and a lot of what you said in regards to industrial unions is true, but a lot is true of the trade / craft unions as well.  Unfortunately there is no happy medium at this time, maybe there will be in the future... doubt it, corruption is too inherent.  BTW, apology for the retired comment, out of line.  GL and don't work too hard.  Maybe we'll bump into each other in Reno Next Year.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Airhead on May 03, 2003, 09:29:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
Creamo, don't let your little head worry you as to why I am on the ramp, used to be a big company that paid me to work on the oversized hoovers, now it's more like I run it, but so be it.  I do remember the old days and a lot of what you said in regards to industrial unions is true, but a lot is true of the trade / craft unions as well.  Unfortunately there is no happy medium at this time, maybe there will be in the future... doubt it, corruption is too inherent.  BTW, apology for the retired comment, out of line.  GL and don't work too hard.  Maybe we'll bump into each other in Reno Next Year.


So you are an anti-Union management shill? Thanks for the honesty Bodhi- for awhile there I thought you were just another working stiff instead of a sell-out. Now go back to "educating" your workers on how much better off they will be once the Union is busted and they're all making minimum wage without benefits. In the meantime work at a salaried position that actually reduced your earning capacity for selling out under the promise it'll pay off for you "in the long run>" Then don't come here with your whine when your job is the victim of beancounting and you get handed an option of either taking an early retirement or working for hundreds of dollars a month less like the option given to UAL "middle management" employees recently.  

Hey, a corporation would NEVER conspire to screw its employees, right?? They ALWAYS have the best intrests of their employees in mind.

:rolleyes:
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Creamo on May 03, 2003, 09:44:05 PM
Yup, the "I run it" sent up a flag to me as well.

Nothing worse than a company lapdog snappin at a working mans heels claiming they are large and in charge.  

I could do without the stalking bit too. It's more weird than alarming, but unessessary regardless.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Bodhi on May 03, 2003, 10:17:50 PM
LMFAO,

I meant for "now it's more like I run it" to actually say "now its more like I run FROM it" as in I disliked working for such a crappily run major corporation that was interested in nothing more than screwing the customers, it's employees, and the investors.  Then again, every union contract looked as though I was selling my soul, so the option I chose was to leave the majors entirely.  Now am quite happy working in a small shop doing custom work.  THe work is honest, the pay is great, my 401K and retirement were all succesfully removed from the "big company's grasp" and the attitiude is simply wonderful.  

Ohh, and Creamo, don't be so pathetic.... stocking you would be a worthless proposition, not interested in fat guys that smell of the beast.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Raubvogel on May 03, 2003, 10:59:31 PM
Hey Bodhi, I'm a drug counselor at a prison, what do you do for a living that makes you such an expert?

You can quote **** all day long till your little fingers hurt from right clicking. That doesn't make it the truth. I work at ground level with this each and every day I go to work.

There is a very big and very real difference between psychological addiction and physiological addiction.

Like I said earlier, users of hard drugs would have found their way to those hard drugs regardless of pot. Throwing pot into the equation is just convenient.

There are NO permanent cognitive effects from prolonged marijuana use. I have tons of real life testing that shows this.

Just as a side note, have you ever smoked marijuana, or do you just take anything you read from our government as gospel?
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Suave on May 04, 2003, 12:11:42 AM
Sorry I called you an Idiot Bohdi .
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SirLoin on May 04, 2003, 12:18:02 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Raubvogel
Hey Bodhi, I'm a drug counselor at a prison, what do you do for a living that makes you such an expert?

You can quote **** all day long till your little fingers hurt from right clicking. That doesn't make it the truth. I work at ground level with this each and every day I go to work.

There is a very big and very real difference between psychological addiction and physiological addiction.

Like I said earlier, users of hard drugs would have found their way to those hard drugs regardless of pot. Throwing pot into the equation is just convenient.

There are NO permanent cognitive effects from prolonged marijuana use. I have tons of real life testing that shows this.

Just as a side note, have you ever smoked marijuana, or do you just take anything you read from our government as gospel?


NIce Raub!...:)Experience vs "Opinion"
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Fishu on May 04, 2003, 12:31:31 AM
"It's not just Canada's relationship with the United States that would change; it's Canada's relationship with the world," he said.

....what about war mongering US relationship with the world? :D

So keen to tell others about the international relationship, but ignoring it themselves.


This just gets ever more funnier and funnier..
Bush really adds up to it.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Sixpence on May 04, 2003, 03:55:18 AM
I bet he wouldn't last a day tending a union mason. Yeah, if you're union you don't work:rolleyes:  The green eyed monster rears it's ugly head.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Sixpence on May 04, 2003, 03:56:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Torque
You notice how alcohol is never mentioned as a gateway drug.


That is worth repeating. Go in to any bar and take a look in the bathroom.

BTW, I would not like to see pot legalized. I know kids use it now and they can get it, but I don't want to make it easier for them to get and I don't want to send the wrong message to them. Any bad habit is just that.......a bad habit. Just like any parent who smokes cigs and preaches to their kids how bad cigs are. I'de say 99% of parents who smoke get a heavy heart if they think their kids are smoking.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on May 04, 2003, 05:17:45 AM
Stupid USA come to holland

See it with ur own eyes

Stupid politicians that never get behind their desk chairs

Come to holland and go for a coffee shop u see there no junks

no addicts

In no way to compare with alcoholics(HARDdrugs)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Creamo on May 04, 2003, 05:51:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Suave
Sorry I called you an Idiot Bohdi .


Me too. Sorry I called you a retard. :(

It's just that sometimes when people post unfounded, silly sh*t, I mean way stupid stuff, even though they believe it no matter how laughable it is to 99.99% of the people that read it, I have a knee jerk reaction. Again, my bad.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Swoop on May 04, 2003, 06:26:56 AM
Quote
Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Stupid USA come to holland

See it with ur own eyes
Stupid politicians that never get behind their desk chairs
Come to holland and go for a coffee shop u see there no junks
no addicts
In no way to compare with alcoholics(HARDdrugs)



Are you out of your tree?   Step behind the red light in Amsterdam where that temple is next to the chinese supermarket........more junkies lying around than anywhere else in the world I've ever seen.

And if you can actually make it through the red light district without some turk / morrocan / surenese weirdo offering you E, acid or heroin then I'll be damn surprised.

(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: lazs2 on May 04, 2003, 09:28:53 AM
so raub... you think them cons were that stupid before they smoked pot?  

naa... got a friend that quit after about 20 years..  seems to be ok..  even gave up his favorite answer to questions "huh?"

let em smoke all they want.. if they have it in their system and are driving... revolk their licence.  If they are on the job with it in their system fire em.  
lazs
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: vorticon on May 04, 2003, 09:57:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Fishu
"It's not just Canada's relationship with the United States that would change; it's Canada's relationship with the world," he said.

....what about war mongering US relationship with the world? :D

So keen to tell others about the international relationship, but ignoring it themselves.


This just gets ever more funnier and funnier..
Bush really adds up to it.


errr bush can add???

as for pot...yes its addictive but i know more than one person whos kicked it...they say its easier to quit than smoking...will legalizing it make it easier for kids to get...no it will make it harder because they will have to go to a liscensed pot store to actually get it...they could get it off the street but why take chances when they just have to get someone over 21 to buy it for them...same way we get alcohol...but since they will sell it nice and excpensive kids wont get as much nor will they get it as easily...
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Fishu on May 04, 2003, 12:02:27 PM
Vortican,

I'm talking about this current US goverment and it's "relationship with the world" since Bush's election.
Funny of them to tell other countries about 'relationship', when they're themselves messing it up the best they can.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: vorticon on May 04, 2003, 12:22:26 PM
i agree...
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: NUKE on May 04, 2003, 12:24:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Fishu
Vortican,

I'm talking about this current US goverment and it's "relationship with the world" since Bush's election.
Funny of them to tell other countries about 'relationship', when they're themselves messing it up the best they can.


Sure, we are messing up our relationships. Why don't you list the countries that we have poor relations with.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Fishu on May 04, 2003, 12:39:15 PM
You're not worth my time, NUKE  :p
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on May 04, 2003, 01:57:23 PM
Swoop i'm talkin about coffee shops
and not about amsterdam on the street
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on May 04, 2003, 02:42:08 PM
Hey SOB!
(http://mysmilies.creativesell.net/cwm/cwm/spiny.gif)
-SW
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SOB on May 04, 2003, 03:44:05 PM
Well it's about flippin' time!  :D


SOB
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: boxboy28 on May 05, 2003, 11:23:52 AM
Imagine all them CANUKS coughing  not being sure if its SARS or just some good weed!       lol

:D

BOX
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Swoop on May 05, 2003, 12:32:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Swoop i'm talkin about coffee shops
and not about amsterdam on the street


Yeah it's getting too the coffee shops without going through the streets that's the hard part.

And it's not just Amsterdam* either, it's just the same in Den Haag, Haarlem, Leiden, Utrecht, Groningen.....junkies and dealers everywhere.

See, out in the 'burbs (Rijswijk, Amstelveen, Vinkeveen, etc) where the local gov doesnt allow coffeeshops you dont see the junkies either.......coffeeshops on the borders of these areas (like, for example, Coffeeshop "The Border" on the edge of Amsterdam - Amstelveen) tend to be junkie free.....and yet still the Dutch police will raid them looking for underage smokers.....

One of the few coffeeshops I've seen without an unhealthy number of very unhealthy people around is in Delft.....but that one is next to a Turkish fast food booth which is almost as bad.


(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)


* Amsterdam has more coffee shops per square foot than any other town or city in NL - considering it's the capital that's not surprising.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: lord dolf vader on May 05, 2003, 01:03:02 PM
having quit both in my life


cigaretts are 1000 times harder

and there are 1000s of reasons to quit cigs


no one ever stops smoking weed tho, why would you, but for a job or a woman. that said i had a woman say "me or weed" once, i remember laughing  at her, was some cold ****. no simple answers in this world. none at all
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: GrimCO on May 05, 2003, 01:11:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Fishu
"It's not just Canada's relationship with the United States that would change; it's Canada's relationship with the world," he said.

....what about war mongering US relationship with the world? :D

So keen to tell others about the international relationship, but ignoring it themselves.


This just gets ever more funnier and funnier..
Bush really adds up to it.


Fishu,

I suppose if Finland was a world superpower, all other countries would have loving relationships with them. Being a superpower in and of itself creates animosity, and comes with hard decisions. I certainly don't agree with everything Bush does... Far from it...  But your generalization of the United States as being war mongers is irrational and insulting. Perhaps you Fins could better keep every government in the entire world happy simultaneously.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SLO on May 05, 2003, 01:36:55 PM
who the fug is this Murray guy?

and who gives a fug what you americans think :D....

your just not important man:p
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: GrimCO on May 05, 2003, 02:05:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
who the fug is this Murray guy?

and who gives a fug what you americans think :D....

your just not important man:p


1. I'm guessing he's a moron...

2. A lot of people in here seem to care what we think for some reason.

3. Nope, we're not important at all in the world view  :rolleyes:
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: SLO on May 05, 2003, 02:16:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GrimCO
1. I'm guessing he's a moron...

2. A lot of people in here seem to care what we think for some reason.

3. Nope, we're not important at all in the world view  :rolleyes:



1. the moron comes from the same place as you


2. some people do....I don't


3. well your so important that when I have trouble crappin I think of the good ol' US of A and voila....no more troubles:rolleyes:
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: GrimCO on May 05, 2003, 02:22:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
1. the moron comes from the same place as you


2. some people do....I don't


3. well your so important that when I have trouble crappin I think of the good ol' US of A and voila....no more troubles:rolleyes:


1. I know a few morons from Canada...  I suppose that makes you a moron too.

2. Very proud of ya.

3. Try a laxative... It probably won't increase your heartrate as much as getting your tits in a knot over us Americans...
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Airhead on May 05, 2003, 03:16:09 PM
:D
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on May 05, 2003, 03:46:30 PM
Now that I got a lil time on my hands, it's time to dispell these myths that are floating around as "fact".

First of all, my research covers Federal and State government funded tests... I can't cite them, because they are actual physical pieces of paper without reference points.

Visit your local state funded substance abuse, treatment and education facility if you wish to locate these materials. Should be readily available if you are genuinely inclined to learn more about substance abuse and addiction.

The Marijuana "addiction" is a fallacy. It is impossible to become addicted to the substance because there is not a chemical in marijuana which replaces naturally occuring chemicals through chemical synthesis. Therefore, the body does not require a constant intake of a drug to produce these synthetic chemicals which block out the body's natural chemicals at receptor sites in the mind and/or body. This makes it impossible to become addicted to marijuana physically. Caffiene, Nicotine, Cocaine (and derivitives), Heroin(and derivitives), PCP/Speed, Ecstasy (combination of speed and/or heroin, and MDM/MDMA), and even Alcohol are addictive because of the way they interact with the body and replace naturally occuring chemicals and proteins.

As Raub pointed out, however, it is extremely easy to abuse the drug if your personality is already predestined to abuse.

Whether it be video games, sweets, TV, or whatever else- it's very easy to abuse it to the point of appearing to be an addiction.

However, when you take away TV, video games, sweets, or marijuana, your body will not go through a withdrawal period as it runs low on the synthesized proteins and chemicals.

"Gateway drug": These studies are something recent, begun in 1983 when the War on Drugs officially began. Drugs no longer meant anything from Asprin to Zylex, but meant illicit drugs because the government had to redefine what "drugs" meant. So when asking someone, "What drug did you first start on?" Alcohol and/or Cigarettes (Nicotine is a drug) get nixed from the response sheet. You got your choice of illicit drugs that you started on, and of course it's always going to be marijuana. Reason being: Drug dealers don't make a whole lotta money off marijuana, but it's the easy sell to middle/high schoolers which are the target of every drug peddlar. It's easy to sell to little kids, something the tobacco industry realised long ago- and parents only recently caught on. So after a couple months of marijuana, drug dealer pushes something new on the kids: Cocaine, ecstasy, you name it- it's gonna be offered.

The only people who were really looking for a new high were born to be burnouts/abuse cases from the start. Give 'em alcohol, see what happens. They'll be alcoholics in a few months.

For the permanent brain damage deal: The excerpt that Bodhi posted in fact does not indicate an amazing loss of brain tissue which he first posted, and only indicates the following:

This may be the basis for the well-known memory deficits that are present in chronic marijuana users.

So really, all that this has proven is that marijuana may (no may about it though) cause memory deficiency in CHRONIC marijuana users. Chronic means everyday use, atleast 3 times a day.

In alcohol terms, they'd be labelled "alcoholics".

Now, lets put this into perspective: Since they have no indication that they studied after marijuana users quit the substance for an extended period of time, there is no proof of any permanent brain damage. There is only proof of altered memory retention during the use of marijuana and in the time span followed by the use of marijuana: Which is only 30 days if you smoke 1 joint.

It's an exponential graph, naturally, you smoke 3 times a day, every day, damn right your brain is going to be so resonated you can't remember what you ate during your munchy abuse 5 minutes ago... you smoke once a month and by the end of the month all traces of THC will be out of your system _AND_ the effects it had on your brain will have long since expired (since they tend to last a little shorter time period than the marijuana is in your system).

And about "overdosing" on marijuana, it's one of the few things that you simply can not overdose on. At some point, the only thing you are doing is filling your lungs with tar.

Oh, yeah... quit cold turkey too, cigarettes after 2 years and marijuana after 5 (I would of been classified a "chronic" abuser)... haven't even had the slightest desire to go back to smoking it.

That whole addiction thing is BS.
-SW
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKIron on May 05, 2003, 04:36:21 PM
I had a friend (cough) that smoked a bit of pot before he decided to join the Air Force. His scores on the ASVAB tests ranged from below average to slighty higher. Two and a half years later, pot free, he took the tests again so as to qualify for a different job, same tests, dramtically different results, maxed most areas on the tests. Draw yer own conclusions.
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on May 05, 2003, 04:43:02 PM
Iron, if that was directed at me- I never said it didn't impair your ability to retain information... it does, makes the cell walls thicker and this makes it more difficult for electrical charges to pass through.

In engine terms, you'd be running on half your cylinders.

Of course, "bit" is a relative term... and how long did he wait to take the ASVAB?

I'm not saying he would of scored higher just a month or two later, unless he only smoked once.

Now, if he only smoked here and there and waited 6 to 8 months...
-SW
Title: U.S. warns Canada against easing pot laws
Post by: Airhead on May 05, 2003, 04:43:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AKIron
I had a friend (cough) that smoked a bit of pot before he decided to join the Air Force. His scores on the ASVAB tests ranged from below average to slighty higher. Two and a half years later, pot free, he took the tests again so as to qualify for a different job, same tests, dramtically different results, maxed most areas on the tests. Draw yer own conclusions.


So what AK Iron? The same thing happens with alcohol. The first time I took my drivers' license exam I was drunk and they failed me. Second time I was sober and I passed.
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Post by: midnight Target on May 05, 2003, 04:47:29 PM
Once passed a Physics exam while....  well lets just say the profs chalk was leaving cool trails in the sky.

just barely though.
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Post by: Suave on May 05, 2003, 05:23:21 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
I had a friend (cough) that smoked a bit of pot before he decided to join the Air Force. His scores on the ASVAB tests ranged from below average to slighty higher. Two and a half years later, pot free, he took the tests again so as to qualify for a different job, same tests, dramtically different results, maxed most areas on the tests. Draw yer own conclusions.


The Airforce sent him to BSEP . I was a stoner in high school when I took asvab, scored in the top 2% . I do remember getting some questions wrong on purpose, like "what is this object?" accompanied by an illustration of an engine gasket. I didn't want to end up wearing greasy coveralls. Of course I wasn't stoned when I took the test, it would've been much lower . I don't think anybody is advocating that kids use pot in school or that people drive while under the influence .
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Post by: AKIron on May 05, 2003, 06:38:48 PM
Not aimed at you SW, just passin' on info I think is relevant to anyone interested and I, er, he wasn't stoned during the testing.
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on May 05, 2003, 06:44:09 PM
rgr Iron, just wanted to be on the same page. :)
-SW
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Post by: SirLoin on May 05, 2003, 06:47:40 PM
Jean Chretien and George W Bush go for a canoe trip to try and mend the fences.They hit some rapids and the canoe tips over..Both are drowning...Who gets saved?


















A:North America
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Post by: Torque on May 05, 2003, 09:22:54 PM
Save the canoe...
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Post by: Airhead on May 05, 2003, 09:45:42 PM
And Tyler too
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Post by: vorticon on May 05, 2003, 10:38:18 PM
first im amazed they even made it to the rapids

second i hope the rapids get saved


third

pot is addictive the same way stupid video games are...its all in your head...like a bad habit (cracking your knuckles comes to mind...i know of several other kids that have been cracking there knuckles for a loong time...they claim theyv tried to stop but they cant...)
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Post by: Fishu on May 05, 2003, 11:12:33 PM
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Originally posted by GrimCO
Fishu,

I suppose if Finland was a world superpower, all other countries would have loving relationships with them. Being a superpower in and of itself creates animosity, and comes with hard decisions. I certainly don't agree with everything Bush does... Far from it...  But your generalization of the United States as being war mongers is irrational and insulting. Perhaps you Fins could better keep every government in the entire world happy simultaneously.


Is germany war mongering? is france war mongering? is scandinavia war mongering? is UK war mongering? (heck, UK is just a dog under US gov. leash and before the war began, most people seemed to be against the war, while blair was following daddy bush)

Even China is less war mongering, that evil communistic country :D


From all the pro-war people in US, what else can I say than war mongering?
whatever defensive or pre-emptive war it's called, it is offensive war -> war mongering.
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Post by: NUKE on May 05, 2003, 11:16:17 PM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Is germany war mongering? is france war mongering? is scandinavia war mongering? is UK war mongering? (heck, UK is just a dog under US gov. leash and before the war began, most people seemed to be against the war, while blair was following daddy bush)

Even China is less war mongering, that evil communistic country :D


From all the pro-war people in US, what else can I say than war mongering?
whatever defensive or pre-emptive war it's called, it is offensive war -> war mongering.


I'll give you a hint at who is war-mongering: Terrorists and States that harbor or sponser them.
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Post by: Fishu on May 06, 2003, 12:03:24 AM
and wheres the terrorist and WMD in Iraq?
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Post by: Creamo on May 06, 2003, 12:10:35 AM
Dead or hiding in a cave, or run to another country shatting themselves i assume.

WMD in Iraq? Off the coast bombing the shiit out of them, where I like them. Carrier Groups are the sh*t.
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Post by: NUKE on May 06, 2003, 12:15:39 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
and wheres the terrorist and WMD in Iraq?


In case you didn't realise, Iraq was in violation of it's gulf war cease fire agreements. They failed to ( acording to the UN) cooperate with UN resolutions requiring immediate and accurate disclosure of all banned weapons systems....among other things.

To say that the US is war-mongering because Iraq invaded Kuwait, then failed to live up to the cease-fire agreement is pretty funny.  The US enforced the cease-fire agreement...plain and simple.

Iraq had 12 years to prevent the US-led responce. Iraq  alone is responsible for this new war and the US didn't pick this fight.....Iraq did.

Now when you talk about American war-mongering...why don't you explain what you mean and give us some examples that make a little sense?
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Post by: NUKE on May 06, 2003, 12:17:33 AM
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Originally posted by Creamo
Dead or hiding in a cave, or run to another country shatting themselves i assume.

WMD in Iraq? Off the coast bombing the shiit out of them, where I like them. Carrier Groups are the sh*t.


lol Creamo
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Post by: NUKE on May 06, 2003, 12:21:18 AM
In Fishu's world, the Iraqis were the good guys and poor, innocent victems.
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Post by: Fishu on May 06, 2003, 12:34:27 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
In Fishu's world, the Iraqis were the good guys and poor, innocent victems.


First you talk about war mongering terrorists and now you're talking about iraqis alignment.
..let alone making up my words.


You're totally worthless person, NUKE.
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Post by: NUKE on May 06, 2003, 12:48:34 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
First you talk about war mongering terrorists and now you're talking about iraqis alignment.
..let alone making up my words.


You're totally worthless person, NUKE.


At least God and my mom love me :)


p.s. It's not polite to personally insult a person on this bbs
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Post by: Fishu on May 06, 2003, 01:06:44 AM
I don't take it kindly when a person is from time to time putting words in my mouth.
I think of it as insultive.
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Post by: NUKE on May 06, 2003, 01:14:03 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
I don't take it kindly when a person is from time to time putting words in my mouth.
I think of it as insultive.


So you agree that Iraq was not a poor innocent victim?

b.t.w..........I don't take it kindly when someone states that the US are war-mongers when obviously that is not nor has not been true.
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Post by: Fishu on May 06, 2003, 02:21:27 AM
I cannot find other way to describe it than war mongers.
It is simply seen from the public / goverment way of handling international relationship.

For good example is the US vs. French situation.
Bush actually scolded French goverment for not siding with the war..  thats way out of the line from the US president!
It was said like when someone is scolding a kid for stealing someone elses candies!

Then theres the US residents...  alot of them are by the dictionary anti-french, more so than so often claimed anti-americans on these boards.


What exactly is war mongering then?


If US is going to go for yet another crusade, then it'll be definately war mongering.
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Post by: SOB on May 06, 2003, 02:55:32 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
I don't take it kindly when a person is from time to time putting words in my mouth.
I think of it as insultive.


Aww c'mon, give it a chance.  Perhaps if others start putting words in your mouth, you'll cease sounding like such a buffoon.


SOB
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Post by: Fishu on May 06, 2003, 04:18:41 AM
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Originally posted by SOB
Aww c'mon, give it a chance.  Perhaps if others start putting words in your mouth, you'll cease sounding like such a buffoon.


Can I have a second opinion, from within EU? (preferably not from UK)
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Post by: Creamo on May 06, 2003, 04:32:17 AM
lol, classic. Thank you all involved.

(And stop scolding the French!)
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Post by: X2Lee on May 06, 2003, 06:36:39 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
and wheres the terrorist and WMD in Iraq?



Yo Dumas,
We run them all out. They took their poison with them.
Dont be surprised when we go into Syria and get them.
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Post by: X2Lee on May 06, 2003, 06:43:10 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
1. the moron comes from the same place as you


2. some people do....I don't


3. well your so important that when I have trouble crappin I think of the good ol' US of A and voila....no more troubles:rolleyes:



Why should you ****e when you think of us slo??
We are not planning on wasting the canadians.

Healthy respect is a good thing tho, carry on.
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Post by: GrimCO on May 06, 2003, 08:19:09 AM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Is germany war mongering? is france war mongering? is scandinavia war mongering? is UK war mongering? (heck, UK is just a dog under US gov. leash and before the war began, most people seemed to be against the war, while blair was following daddy bush)

Even China is less war mongering, that evil communistic country :D


From all the pro-war people in US, what else can I say than war mongering?
whatever defensive or pre-emptive war it's called, it is offensive war -> war mongering.


Fishu, None of the countries you mentioned are superpowers and aren't in the same position as the United States is. What I asked was, if Finland was a superpower, do you think they'd be able to keep the entire world happy simultaneously...  Think about it.
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Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 09:59:19 AM
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Why should you ****e when you think of us slo??
We are not planning on wasting the canadians.

Healthy respect is a good thing tho, carry on.



was just jokin bud...no insult intended.

and NUKE you didn't answer Fishu's question.....

where are the WMD's......don't twist it...just answer it.

don't forget....Bush based this Liberation(occupation) by stating that the IRAQIS where fabricating or hiding WMD's......

do not talk about the UN...the UN was tossed aside by Bush.

up until now.....there is no JUSTIFICATION for that Liberation(occupation).

BTW this was supposed to be a America threatens Canada on its POT laws thread.....

btw Vancouver has some excellent Skunk weed and some very good Purple Haze.....:D
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Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2003, 10:13:24 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
where are the WMD's......don't twist it...just answer it.
 


Obviously they are hidden in the desert, are you really that slow?
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Post by: T0J0 on May 06, 2003, 10:19:13 AM
Legalizing pot will create jobs! And opportunities for
 all us non pot smokers... Always has and always will... "But feel free to debate that all you want"
 We had many years ago hoped that the old school politicians that were so anti pot would be replaced by baby boomers that would ease up on the pot smokers and get tougher on the alco haulics and stop jailing are citizens for smoking a joint which is just a burden on the taxpayers. I am much more afraid of Drunk drivers then stoned drivers who generally prefer to sleep when high then get into a car and drive..
 0J0T
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Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 10:22:44 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Obviously they are hidden in the desert, are you really that slow?



hmm seems your the 1 who is slow Iron......you ASSUME they are hidden in the desert.....
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Post by: Eagler on May 06, 2003, 10:23:40 AM
dope makes u slo

why do u think they call it dope

dopers are a funny lot .. until you threaten/force them to dry out and face life straight up .. then they get mean & fling their bong water on ya :)
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Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 10:58:39 AM
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Originally posted by Eagler
dope makes u slo

why do u think they call it dope

dopers are a funny lot .. until you threaten/force them to dry out and face life straight up .. then they get mean & fling their bong water on ya :)


lol...in short slo was meant for slowhand...as in Eric Clapton's nickname.....

nice try dope :D

try too make a difference between Hardcore dope and soft dope......
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Post by: SirLoin on May 06, 2003, 11:04:18 AM
GWB is looking like Geraldo Rivera did in Al Capone's Vault.
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Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2003, 11:06:29 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
hmm seems your the 1 who is slow Iron......you ASSUME they are hidden in the desert.....


So, are you saying then that there aren't any WMD hidden in Iraq?
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Post by: vorticon on May 06, 2003, 11:48:31 AM
whos going to stop us from changing our laws...YOU...anyway this law there changing is just making what already happens more official...
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Post by: Wlfgng on May 06, 2003, 12:47:24 PM
maybe next time you should try 'slowhand'

:)  it fits and we wouldn't need a 'cross reference' to know it :)
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Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 01:58:15 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
So, are you saying then that there aren't any WMD hidden in Iraq?


I don't know...neither do you...so stop assuming there is.:cool:
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on May 06, 2003, 01:59:13 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
pot is addictive the same way stupid video games are...its all in your head...like a bad habit (cracking your knuckles comes to mind...i know of several other kids that have been cracking there knuckles for a loong time...they claim theyv tried to stop but they cant...)


No, it isn't... you obviously do not understand what addiction is.

Ask an alcoholic, ask a coke fiend, ask a meth head... if they can stop twitching and concentrate on your question long enough, they *MAY* be able to put together a coherant sentence for you.

Addiction is an over used and misplaced definition, a habit is in no way an addiction.

Hopefully you will never have to understand first hand what I'm talking about, but if you ever do you'll see how wrong your assertion is.
-SW
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Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 02:01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
maybe next time you should try 'slowhand'

:)  it fits and we wouldn't need a 'cross reference' to know it :)


lol wlfgng.....when I first came too AH slowhand was already takin....so I chose slo.....since then I asked HT for the name in the game...got it...but never bothered to change BBS 1:D