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Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Swoop on May 06, 2003, 09:38:25 AM
I'm dumbfounded.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030506-32981825.htm

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Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Saintaw on May 06, 2003, 09:43:59 AM
Oooops, please use smartbombs, I live nextdoor!
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: straffo on May 06, 2003, 09:44:40 AM
I've to face the truth ... I'm Iraqi.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 06, 2003, 09:51:46 AM
whoopeeed french degenerates!!! Unbelivable....
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 09:59:25 AM
It's completely believable.  France is like the dork that lives next door.  He wants to run with the gang, but he's just to puny to do so.  After awhile, jealousy turns his heart bitter.  He does everything in his power to undermine the gang, without giving it a direct reason to him.  

Either France will start playing ball again, or there will be much pressure on it.  I'd be willing to bet the "big boys" of Europe will eventually turn their backs on France.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 10:03:20 AM
Much better than a European crook.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: boxboy28 on May 06, 2003, 10:03:55 AM
Let the FRENCH bashing resume
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 10:05:30 AM
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Originally posted by boxboy28
Let the FRENCH bashing resume


I'd love to see a week go by where the French didn't give anyone a reason to bash them.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 10:14:31 AM
can you say.......ASSUMPTION.

The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.
The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory.
Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition: a valid assumption.
Presumption; arrogance.
Logic. A minor premise.
Assumption


French response....seems you guys didn't read it

 Asked about the passports, Nathalie Loiseau, a spokeswoman for the French Embassy, said French authorities have not issued any visas to officials of the former Iraqi regime since the beginning of the war in Iraq, either in Syria or elsewhere.
     "France formally denies this type of allegation, which is not only contrary to reality but is intended to discredit our nation," she said. "It is certainly time for rumors of this type — totally unfounded and a dishonor to those who spread them — to stop."
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2003, 10:20:32 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
can you say.......ASSUMPTION.


What the Washington Times reported was not an "ASSUMPTION". It was an accusation made by US intelligence officials. If these accusations are proven to be reliable then it's time for severe official action against France.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: OIO on May 06, 2003, 10:31:59 AM
umm.. since when does an intelligence agency trying to sneak people out of a hot spot "issue passports"?

MOSSAD did not "issue a passport" to get that nazi out of south america a couple o' decades back did they?

The french response is not a lie. Technically, literally.

Not saying they did it or not, thats up to the intel boys in the CIA to decide.

Edit: 'Severe official sanctions' could come in the ways of economic sanctions (likely) or *chuckles* a UN resolution (hahaha).
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Maniac on May 06, 2003, 10:37:32 AM
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It was an accusation made by US intelligence officials. If these accusations are proven to be reliable then it's time for severe official action against France.


I think the US intelligence should focus on finding those Weapons of mass destruction in IRAK, wich they knew where they were before the war...
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2003, 10:38:34 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
What do you think would be an appropriate "severe official action"?


Economic sanctions of course. Certainly not militarily, our social security system is strained to the limit as is. ;)
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 10:41:02 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
I think the US intelligence should focus on finding those Weapons of mass destruction in IRAK, wich they knew where they were before the war...


How do you think we find out about these things?  While tracking down senior officials that would have information on WMD.  That's probably when we found that many of them had jumped ship to Europe with France's help.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Saurdaukar on May 06, 2003, 10:41:48 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
I think the US intelligence should focus on finding those Weapons of mass destruction in IRAK, wich they knew where they were before the war...


Great point - maybe the French helped Saddam toss those over the border too?  :rolleyes:
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 10:44:28 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
What the Washington Times reported was not an "ASSUMPTION". It was an accusation made by US intelligence officials. If these accusations are proven to be reliable then it's time for severe official action against France.




so your spooks say they did......yet no official GOV. accusations.


Iron your jumpin the gun......
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2003, 10:50:04 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hehe :)

How would that work? The US and EU are so economically entwined that any action would hurt both parties.


It's happening as we speak. Trade with France has gone down 10-15% in the last few months. We'll survive a full trade embargo with France far better than will France.

Time to make it clear that you can't smilingly take our money while stabbing us in the back.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2003, 10:50:57 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
so your spooks say they did......yet no official GOV. accusations.


Iron your jumpin the gun......


Read my post slo, I said if these accusations are proven reliable.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 11:15:08 AM
Good.  I hope it hurts.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 11:23:54 AM
American Supremist I'll buy, but I'm hardly a Europhobe.  I love the VAST majority of Europeans.  Both the individuals and the countries.  However, if you lay down with dogs, I love to see you get fleas.  Keep crying about it.  You reap what you sow.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 11:41:16 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
I would agree with you on that one if someone would show me some evidence. Accusations don't impress me like they obviously do you.


I'm well aware of the media's habit of jumping the gun with a story that may or may not be true.   I then decide whether it is something I could believe, or not.  I have no first hand way of confirming or denying the accusations.

When I hear repeated accusations, from different sources, then I form an opinion.  While I don't know for a fact that ANY of this is true, I have a firm belief that France was involved with Saddam's regime in one way or another.

First, they fought like hell to keep us out of there.
Then, media reported documents showing French sales of material in violation of UN Sanctions.
Then, French weapons were found in Iraq, when and how they got there is unknown.
Then, media reports documents found showing France was giving info to Iraq.
Then, media reports France smuggling regime leaders out of the country.

When I smell crap, I look for an outhouse.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 06, 2003, 11:46:48 AM
GScholz I think it fair to say that it was one thing if France opposed the war and supported Saddam based on her own financial interests, but it is another matter entirely if they have done this and given wanted fugitives and potential murderrs asyulm..  Thats just shameful... I hope Chirac's government falls for this outrageus criminal (figuratively speaking I suppose) behavior.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 11:54:26 AM
The Ostrich sticks its head in the sand.  If it can't see the danger, the danger doesn't exist.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Maniac on May 06, 2003, 11:54:41 AM
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Then, media reports


Yes then media reports this and then that and then this....

BIG at MEDIA!!!
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Hortlund on May 06, 2003, 12:01:24 PM
Funny how media should be taken seriously when some journalist reports that some Israeli soldier shot some arab, or when some reporter claims that US soldier massacre innocent unarmed arabs.

But when media reports something like this, everyone starts screaming for evidence. But not any normal evidence...nope, at least 14 differen eyewitnesses of different cultures giving the EXACT same story is required.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Hortlund on May 06, 2003, 12:04:14 PM
Yeah, that is not different at all...
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Syzygyone on May 06, 2003, 12:07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Funny how media should be taken seriously when some journalist reports that some Israeli soldier shot some arab, or when some reporter claims that US soldier massacre innocent unarmed arabs.

But when media reports something like this, everyone starts screaming for evidence. But not any normal evidence...nope, at least 14 differen eyewitnesses of different cultures giving the EXACT same story is required.


Yea, and what about how the media reports suidice bombings and goes out of it's way to show that the bombing was in resonse to some Israeli action or inaction.  Never anything about how godawful wrong it is that innocents were murdered by racists fanaticals hell bent of genocide.  Nope, you never see denunciations of terrorist activities in the main stream media.  But, you do see denunciations of Israel and the U.S. in the main stream media.  Interesting isn't it.

Hort , ole' boy, yer gettin more right wing conservative (U.S. style) everyday!
Keep up the good work!:D
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 12:16:49 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
I accuse Martlet of being a psychopathic child-rapist.

Evidence? I don't need to present any evidence; this is not a court of law. No, Martlet must prove he's not a psychopathic child-rapist or I'm going to bring my friends over to his house and kick his ass.


I carry, you'd better bring more friends than I have bullets or the Norwegian population is going to drop a little.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: straffo on May 06, 2003, 02:10:40 PM
I've been forced to remove Tardlet and AkDull off my ignore list.

Funny and ridiculous as usual.


@GRUN you are smarter than that ( yep I know it :p)

@GScholz : I was pretty sure he was child rapist too now we just have to ask the WashingtonTime to post an article and it will be TRUE !
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 02:34:09 PM
funny your watching your OWN media feeding you that crap......


when you ACCUSE France in PUBLIC...bring the EVIDENCE with you...or shut-up and do it behind closed doors.


nah Martlet is a happily married man with 2 kids....he ain't no Rapist...right martlet:D
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: AKIron on May 06, 2003, 02:42:16 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
funny your watching your OWN media feeding you that crap......
 


News for ya Slo, the whole world watches/reads the US media. Wonder why that is? When's the last time anyone outside of Canada paid any attention to the Canadian media?

I'll avoid any overt gestures towards you Straffo, our pow camps are full at the moment.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 06, 2003, 02:49:11 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
News for ya Slo, the whole world watches/reads the US media. Wonder why that is? When's the last time anyone outside of Canada paid any attention to the Canadian media?

 



your too self-centered and arrogant too watch news that isn't AMERICAN made.....


and its only normal to watch what the big bully is doing in the school yard....some might say its smart.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SirLoin on May 06, 2003, 02:52:10 PM
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Originally posted by SLO

when you ACCUSE France in PUBLIC...bring the EVIDENCE with you...or shut-up and do it behind closed doors.




Exactly.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: straffo on May 06, 2003, 03:01:03 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
News for ya Slo, the whole world watches/reads the US media. Wonder why that is? When's the last time anyone outside of Canada paid any attention to the Canadian media?

I'll avoid any overt gestures towards you Straffo, our pow camps are full at the moment.


You have legal pow camp ?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Dowding on May 06, 2003, 03:52:20 PM
The American supremecists are biting today. Get 'em while they're good!
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 06, 2003, 04:19:05 PM
I don't distrust American media. I distrust ALL media.

Even though I think they can be goofy at times, I have a hard time believing France would do such a thing. Until there's proof, I'm giving France the benefit of the doubt...

However, if some evidence turns up proving France has done this, I hope they get sanctioned till the grapes dry up.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 04:22:57 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
funny your watching your OWN media feeding you that crap......


when you ACCUSE France in PUBLIC...bring the EVIDENCE with you...or shut-up and do it behind closed doors.


nah Martlet is a happily married man with 2 kids....he ain't no Rapist...right martlet:D


I'm not married.  I'm not sure about kids, though.  I've planted seed in more than one Canudian.  I figured they have superior health care, she's good, right?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Saintaw on May 06, 2003, 04:37:44 PM
Wow Puterman issuing threats on a BBS, smart...and somehow scaaaary.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Hortlund on May 06, 2003, 04:48:15 PM
Yes better put him on your ignore list Saw...

oops I guess you cant see this post anyway.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 06, 2003, 04:50:51 PM
LMAO Hortlund

We can be sneaky and I'll quote you... LOL
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Torque on May 06, 2003, 05:08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
American Supremist I'll buy, but I'm hardly a Europhobe.  I love the VAST majority of Europeans.  Both the individuals and the countries.  However, if you lay down with dogs, I love to see you get fleas.  Keep crying about it.  You reap what you sow.


Practice what you preach...
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 06, 2003, 05:13:34 PM
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Originally posted by Torque
Practice what you preach...


Could you tell me what I was preaching there?

You have trouble with english?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Saintaw on May 06, 2003, 06:25:10 PM
Yes Herr Hortlund, how can I miss it when his drivel is quoted by everyone, I don't usualy have to read it, and I read your answer, since I figured you would reply something *smart* and *witty* like you oh so would like to be.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Hortlund on May 06, 2003, 06:29:40 PM
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Yes Herr Hortlund, how can I miss it when his drivel is quoted by everyone, I don't usualy have to read it, and I read your answer, since I figured you would reply something *smart* and *witty* like you oh so would like to be.


With all due respect saw...Im not the one with an ignore list in my sig line...
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Ozark on May 06, 2003, 06:37:09 PM
I’ll believe it until I see GWB land on a French Carrier.



















:p
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Habu on May 06, 2003, 07:45:40 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
funny your watching your OWN media feeding you that crap......


when you ACCUSE France in PUBLIC...bring the EVIDENCE with you...or shut-up and do it behind closed doors.


nah Martlet is a happily married man with 2 kids....he ain't no Rapist...right martlet:D


SLO I just have to say it. You are truely a retard. You say everything negative written about France in the media is a lie. Are you really that stupid in real life? What do you do for a living?

Wait that might offend retarted people. I take back the part about being retarded.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Tumor on May 06, 2003, 08:11:59 PM
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Originally posted by Habu
SLO I just have to say it. You are truely a retard. You say everything negative written about France in the media is a lie. Are you really that stupid in real life? What do you do for a living?

Wait that might offend retarted people. I take back the part about being retarded.


retarded
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: X2Lee on May 06, 2003, 08:27:54 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
funny your watching your OWN media feeding you that crap......


when you ACCUSE France in PUBLIC...bring the EVIDENCE with you...or shut-up and do it behind closed doors.





This merits a "screw you" You bashers certainly dont need evidence to flap yer gums at us.

Shut up when your talking to us.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: X2Lee on May 06, 2003, 08:30:46 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Sure, but I think only the well known French brands will suffer. The rest is allready "Made in the E.U.".
.


Yes because we americans are to slow to know what products are really made in france. Like we are all boycotting frenchs mustard....
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 07, 2003, 08:50:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Habu
SLO I just have to say it. You are truely a retard. You say everything negative written about France in the media is a lie. Are you really that stupid in real life? What do you do for a living?

Wait that might offend retarted people. I take back the part about being retarded.


hmm Habu wants to dual in accusations of being retarded.....

who's the retard habu.....

the 1 who believes everything spooks say....you.

or the 1 who waits till he has PROOF before making PUBLIC accusations.... me

as for what I do for a living......Mainframes(operations).....now in the process of gettin certified MCSE so I can become a Network Systems Specialist....plus I got a College Degree in Programming


just for your info Habu.....I am french...see where I come from...we call the french from France OUR cousins.....cause thats where our ancestors come from.....so we got close ties

so when you accuse my COUSIN....have the proof moron.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 07, 2003, 08:52:53 AM
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Originally posted by GrimCO
I don't distrust American media. I distrust ALL media.

Even though I think they can be goofy at times, I have a hard time believing France would do such a thing. Until there's proof, I'm giving France the benefit of the doubt...

However, if some evidence turns up proving France has done this, I hope they get sanctioned till the grapes dry up.


well said Grim.....:cool:
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: AKIron on May 07, 2003, 08:57:48 AM
I'll pass it on GScholz, I haven't made it to any of them myself.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 08, 2003, 08:27:43 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Not my meaning. The French will sell their products under the "Made in EU" disguise. The product is made in France, but sold by a German or Dutch or a company of any other European nationality. That's the way it always works.


There are many lists already circulating here in the U.S. detailing which companies are held by French owned corporations. I was surprised to learn that many companies here in the U.S. are actually held by the French. At any rate, I doubt the "Made in EU" stamp is going to fool us stupid Americans. I think if a person is actually serious about boycotting French products, they're probably going to take the time to research it a little bit.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 08, 2003, 08:36:24 AM
Sofitel removed all their French flags from their buildings.  Now that's support.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 08, 2003, 08:39:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
hmm Habu wants to dual in accusations of being retarded.....

who's the retard habu.....

the 1 who believes everything spooks say....you.

or the 1 who waits till he has PROOF before making PUBLIC accusations.... me

as for what I do for a living......Mainframes(operations).....now in the process of gettin certified MCSE so I can become a Network Systems Specialist....plus I got a College Degree in Programming


just for your info Habu.....I am french...see where I come from...we call the french from France OUR cousins.....cause thats where our ancestors come from.....so we got close ties

so when you accuse my COUSIN....have the proof moron.


Hey there SLO

This is one thing which I consider great about America. Our ancestors here come from just about everywhere. I in fact have cousins in Germany, Finland, Norway and Holland. Both grandparents on my father's side were born in Germany. My mom's mother was born in Finland, and is half Norwegian. My grandfather on my mother's side was born in Rotterdam, Holland. Although I have close family ties to Europe, I still disagree with a lot of things they're doing over there politically. I just don't hate my cousins because of it.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 08, 2003, 12:44:02 PM
rgr that grim....


1 day I hope all will discover that its not the French that is the problem......but the damn politics.

on 1 side the americans really really had it for saddam.....

while the french really really didn't want you to go after him.....

all this is just 1 big fuggin misunderstanding on BOTH parts....

not 1 single individual is too blame...but all.

anyways.....sorry too all if I made it look like I hate Americans...which I really don't....but ya gotta understand.....I'm French:D....and surrounded by the English culture.....tend too be a little defensive when attacked on all sides.....:cool:
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 08, 2003, 02:59:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
rgr that grim....


1 day I hope all will discover that its not the French that is the problem......but the damn politics.

on 1 side the americans really really had it for saddam.....

while the french really really didn't want you to go after him.....

all this is just 1 big fuggin misunderstanding on BOTH parts....

not 1 single individual is too blame...but all.

anyways.....sorry too all if I made it look like I hate Americans...which I really don't....but ya gotta understand.....I'm French:D....and surrounded by the English culture.....tend too be a little defensive when attacked on all sides.....:cool:


The difference is, Americans really really had it in for saddam because he supports terrorism, fails to comply with resolutions, and steals from/kills/maims his own people.

The french really really didn't want us to go after them because their illegal gravy train would be belly up.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: straffo on May 08, 2003, 03:08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
The french really really didn't want us to go after them because their illegal gravy train would be belly up.


proof ?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 08, 2003, 03:30:13 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
proof ?


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030307-545570.htm

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030220-11583742.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2757797.stm

http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins021103.asp

etc, etc, etc...
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: threedays on May 08, 2003, 08:05:59 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
I've to face the truth ... I'm Iraqi.


ooohhh man and do you have some lovely black eyed daughter ? :D

pitty that you didnt say me before, i could go france instead of Iran :D
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: blue1 on May 08, 2003, 08:22:26 PM
The problem I have with this is that the French always do what is perceived as best for France. Helping Iraqis escape to Europe is not in France's best interest. It might however be in the best interests of certain individuals in France, that's possible.

What is clear though is that leaking unsubstantiated claims like this to the press is in the best interests of the United States. "We can't find them because the Godamm frogs gave them asylum."

Black propaganda and disinformation. Intelligence agencies love that kind of thing.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: AKIron on May 08, 2003, 11:21:34 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
or the 1 who waits till he has PROOF before making PUBLIC accusations.... me.


You're kidding Slo, right? How far back in your posts do you think I'll have to look to dig up unproven accusations?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 09, 2003, 06:55:46 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
You're kidding Slo, right? How far back in your posts do you think I'll have to look to dig up unproven accusations?


I'm out Iron.....this game of cat an mouse is gettin repetitive.

was fun in the beginning...but now :o

if ya wanna look.....go ahead....have fun.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Puke on May 09, 2003, 12:45:48 PM
Slo proves the trait of the French always surrendering.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Rude on May 09, 2003, 04:44:08 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Not my meaning. The French will sell their products under the "Made in EU" disguise. The product is made in France, but sold by a German or Dutch or a company of any other European nationality. That's the way it always works.


You think that will make a difference?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Lizard3 on May 09, 2003, 04:52:25 PM
Where's Hangtime and his list? He needs to break that baby back out.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Rude on May 10, 2003, 07:58:07 AM
Like I said...it won't matter if french products sneek through.

If the UN, specifically France and Russia, crap on themselves again by blocking US efforts to end the oil for food program, then they will reap what they have sown.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 10, 2003, 09:04:21 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Unless you plan to boycott all of Europe, yes. (Better boycott Europe if you really don't want any French stuff sneaking through disguised as products)


I guess Americans aren't intelligent enough to research which companies are French. I suppose from you're perspective Americans should consider themselves lucky that they can even read the "Made in EU" stamp.

Like I said before... If someone is serious about going to the length of boycotting French products, it would take them less than 5 minutes to find a complete list of major French owned corporations.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Hortlund on May 10, 2003, 12:06:42 PM
Air France.
Air Liquide.
Airbus.
Alcatel.
Allegra (allergy medication).
Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, U.S. Divers, and SeaQuest).
AXA Advisors.

Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas). Beneteau (boats).
BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin).
BIC (razors, pens and lighters).
Biotherm (cosmetics).
Bollinger (champagne).

Car and Driver magazine.
Chanel.
Chivas Regal (scotch).
Christian Dior.
Club Med (vacations).
Crown Royal Canadian Whiskey (Seagram).

Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods).
Dom Perignon.
Durand Crystal.

Elle magazine.
Essilor Optical Products.
Evian.

Givenchy.
Glenlivet (scotch).

Hennessy.

Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989).

Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers).

Lancome.
Le Creuset (cookware).
L’Oreal (health and beauty products).
Louis Vuitton.

Martel Cognac.
Maybelline.
Michelin (tires and auto parts).
Mikasa (crystal and glass).
Moet (champagne).
Motel 6.
Motown Records.
MP3.com.

Peugeot (automobiles).
Pinault – Printemps – Redoute (Guicci, Yves Saint Laurent).
ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, France).
Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising and Leo Burnett Worldwide).

RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson Electronics).
Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France). Renault (automobiles).
Road & Track magazine. Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France).
Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.).

Sierra Software and Computer Games.
Smart & Final.
Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor).
Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone).
Spencer Gifts.

Tefal (kitchenware).
Total gas stations.
Technicolor.

UbiSoft (computer games).
Uniroyal.
Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks; owned by Vivendi-Universal).
USFilter.

Veritas Group.
Veuve Clicquot Champagne.
Vittel.
Vivendi.

Wild Turkey (bourbon).
Woman’s Day magazine.

Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake).

Zodiac inflatable boats.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 10, 2003, 12:13:39 PM
Looks like Hortlund saved them the trouble... LOL
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 10, 2003, 01:30:36 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
You simply don't get it. The products won't be labeled a French brand. Machine parts made by MAN-Roland (Germany), they could very well be made in France for all I know. BMW parts are made all over the world, but they're all labeled BMW. The well known brands will suffer, no one else.

Want to boycott BMW? Sure go ahead. The US Bimmers are mostlly made in the US anyway.


I think we might be experiencing a slight language barrier here GScholz. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

BMW is incorporated in the United States as BMW of North America. From all outward appearances, it would initially appear to me that BMW North America is an American company. The cars are made here, it has American employees (except for upper level management). However, after researching for about two minutes I can find out that the profits from car sales of BMW North America are going to Germany.

Maybe you mean that if I boycotted BMW, Americans would be affected by losing their jobs, and that would effect our economy here. If this is what you mean, I completely agree with you.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: straffo on May 10, 2003, 02:42:27 PM
I think Hortlund list is bogus , there is far many more french product/brand than  those listed.

There is even more french product  directly/indirectly own by US funding ...
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 10, 2003, 03:50:51 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
I think Hortlund list is bogus , there is far many more french product/brand than  those listed.

There is even more french product  directly/indirectly own by US funding ...


Straffo, it's a partial list. I have a more complete one myself.

If a company in France is owned by U.S. funding, it wouldn't be boycotted because it's revenues go to the United States.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 10, 2003, 11:15:19 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes. It is very difficult to boycott a whole nation when your economies are so entwined/dependant on eachother. Like if Europeans boycott all US brands like Burger King, Ford, Chrysler etc. who would we be punishing? Sure, the US companies would loose some profits, but there would be European companies going bankrupt, and Europeans who lost their jobs, not Americans.

Vivendi Universal is a French media conglomerate which owns a lot of US media companies (like Universal Studios, SciFi Cannel etc.). If Americans boycott Vivendi, these American companies would take the brunt of the "punishment", not any French company.


Well, I'm in definite agreement with you there GScholz...  The world economy is a complicated and intricate web of commerce which effects a lot more nations than is readily apparent. This is why I have opted not to jump on the bandwagon and boycott all French products...  I have, however, quit drinking Cognac... LOL
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: GrimCO on May 11, 2003, 08:24:36 PM
I prefer a good single malt Scotch whiskey...  But I do keep some Vodka on hand for those "special occasions".  Hehehe
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Nash on May 11, 2003, 11:08:43 PM
Has this story appeared in any *real* newspaper? Just one? Somewhere? Point me to it and I'll buy it.

The Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church. You know... Rev. Sun Myung Moon... Been around since only the 80's. You know that? Thier stuff is out there. Martlet don't go posting links from them, or maybe you got them confused with the Washington Post or something.

Again, if this thing has appeared in any other news source it might be worth looking at. If it hasn't, you might want to ask why.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Maniac on May 12, 2003, 02:13:52 AM
I would like to see the Americans try an boycott.... **** half the people (or more i guess) cant even point france out on an world map lol!!!

And some americans will go "oh ****, is this really french made, i tought it was american" lol!

Al Gore invented the internet!
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: straffo on May 12, 2003, 03:31:58 AM
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Originally posted by Martlet
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030307-545570.htm

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030220-11583742.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2757797.stm

http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins021103.asp

etc, etc, etc...


Missed this one ...

Link one and two same bul**** spread by the very same "newspaper" full of old fact (true but old) mixed with unproven "new" fact .
Repeating the same lie ten time doesn't make it true the 10th time ...

Link three : certainly true you just have to start from the 70's to make the amount of money bigger.

Link four : nothing more than Robbin opinion, he can have one and I can disagree with his conclusion.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 12, 2003, 09:15:47 AM
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Originally posted by Puke
Slo proves the trait of the French always surrendering.



grrrrr:mad:

I'm French Canadian.....

move on..........
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 12, 2003, 11:23:20 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Missed this one ...

Link one and two same bul**** spread by the very same "newspaper" full of old fact (true but old) mixed with unproven "new" fact .
Repeating the same lie ten time doesn't make it true the 10th time ...

Link three : certainly true you just have to start from the 70's to make the amount of money bigger.

Link four : nothing more than Robbin opinion, he can have one and I can disagree with his conclusion.


Ahhh, LIES, IT'S ALL LIES!

Keep believing that, it's your right.  The majority of the world knows that Chirac is a weak sniveling snake.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 12, 2003, 11:40:12 AM
heh, like a Norwegian knows about politics.  Shouldn't you be making porn or something?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 12, 2003, 12:03:17 PM
Typical.  "I can't make a good argument, so I'll call you a Nazi".  Why don't you dig up some facts to go with your whining, or get back on the set.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Maniac on May 12, 2003, 12:04:52 PM
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Typical. "I can't make a good argument, so I'll call you a Nazi". Why don't you dig up some facts to go with your whining, or get back on the set.


LOL! you sir are too much.... please read your post (2 up i think) you call that an good argument?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 12, 2003, 12:13:43 PM
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Originally posted by Maniac
LOL! you sir are too much.... please read your post (2 up i think) you call that an good argument?


Apparently you missed the rest of the thread.  The part where people proved your idiocy wrong over and over, and you failed to counter it?

Oh, just like every other thread you've posted in.

Shouldn't you be on the set with G?  I'll bet you guys make great film together.  I'll have to ask Dowding if it's any good.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Martlet on May 12, 2003, 12:32:06 PM
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Originally posted by GScholz
NEW!!! "The Judge does Martlet - Beastiality from beyond the pond" NOW WITH SHEEP!


Don't drag me into your sick past times.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Habu on May 12, 2003, 12:53:50 PM
Chirac has basically burned his bridges with the US. The US government's relations with France have changed forever. For the first time people in the US also are starting to view France as an enemy of the US. (Or at least as not a friend). In other parts of the world (like here in Canada) people are also aware of his Chirac's corruption. It makes little difference to France what Canadians think but when you pop up on the US's radar it will definitely make a difference.

Do you know how many times in the UN or in world trade the US will be able to **** France up? Just wait for the next time France has to lobby the US for support on any issue. Not that they are in the same league but look at Viet Nam and Cuba and their economies. Do you think that they were the basket cases they were because of their political systems or because the US had economic sanctions on them? Even small sanctions, the kind that come from spite more than formal resolutions can have an impact.


Don't take anything Straffo or SLO say seriously. They never back up any argument they make. They just say "Lies lies lies" to any news report on France's close ties to Saddam and their huge economic trade with the old Iraq.


Maybe in Norway the worm is a hero. If so my opinion of Norway just dropped a long way.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 12, 2003, 01:05:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Habu


Don't take anything Straffo or SLO say seriously. They never back up any argument they make. They just say "Lies lies lies" to any news report on France's close ties to Saddam and their huge economic trade with the old Iraq.
 



same goes too you.....you sub-human, short changed, mindless sheep herder.....:D

1 thing I hope you'll understand 1 day.......

USA dealings with Arab world = 100 years

France dealings with Arab world = 1000 years

can you make out the difference dweeb......

oh BTW get off your high horse sheep herder
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: OIO on May 12, 2003, 01:33:18 PM
how relevant are 900 of those 1000 years nowadays I wonder?
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: Habu on May 12, 2003, 01:47:46 PM
Slo

When I found out what you did for a living and your level of education I backed off a bit. Not because I was impressed but because I realize that you and I are not at the same level in life. Not in education, not in work experience, not in salary nor in age.

You are a young guy with strong opinions (wrong ones) little life experience in a blue collar job. You know little of what you post about.
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: straffo on May 12, 2003, 01:52:42 PM
eeekk  confused 2 threads
Title: French help Iraqi officials to escape?
Post by: SLO on May 12, 2003, 02:57:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Habu
Slo

You are a young guy with strong opinions (wrong ones) little life experience in a blue collar job. You know little of what you post about.



my opinions are my own......

who are you too say that mine are WRONG.....

ever think that maybe its you who is wrong.....

but who cares...its only a BBS

now go away sheep herder:D


and relax habu....take a chill pill my friend....or I get marlet and sic em on you:p