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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ozark on May 06, 2003, 06:25:29 PM
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…but this one is a 9.2 in the rant scale.
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20095
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Beautiful.
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If i wanted to fly in fantsasyland i'd sign up for Aces High.
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The plane boss, the plane!
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Good rant...
Although he's right about iEN, I wouldn't even entrust them with a task as menial as fetching me lunch from MickeyDs.
I'd order a #2 (2 cheeseburgers, med fries, med Mr. Pibb), they'd come back with a McFlurry AND I'd get no change.
-SW
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hmmmmmm McFlurries...
Seems like leaving after 2.7 was a good idea...
Tronsky
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That reminds me... I never did get around to cancelling that subscription. There's $9.95 a month for more beer.
MiniD
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Well fnaqzna, Aces High is like a fat chick, gota get drunk before you do her. Im heading to the liquor store, anyone need anything?
This guy got talent!! we need to recruit him to the AH O-club methinks!! :D
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Those people are masochists. I can see it if one has a Mac. But the rest of them, what the hell are they thinking? :)
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That is freaking funny. Rat's trying to get me back into WB's but I am not quite sold ...
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never having flown flight sims till feb last year what's so bad about AH that they seem to hate it soo much?
i have seen Il2 and know that AH cant be like that. too many players dont have a PC that can handle it. let alone the bandwidth in their internet con. i guess i just asume WB is similar to AH in graphics and stuff... considering HT and stuff used to work there.
i guess my question goes to the "fantasy land" comment ?!?! what is that all about?
oh well my 2˘
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geeze funked... that's exactly it! those guys must enjoy hurting themselves or else be so fearful and self centered that they think anyone cares how good or bad they are at a sim... I think a lot of em don't leave cause they fear they will do badly at a new sim.
lazs
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25 people in primetime? sheesh, even the CT considers that a bit low for them.
Heck, even back at $30/mo at 4am ET there were more than 25 in the MA here.
I feel sorry for those guys that love WB. I'd hate to see AH go down that road.
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Originally posted by lazs2
geeze funked... that's exactly it! those guys must enjoy hurting themselves or else be so fearful and self centered that they think anyone cares how good or bad they are at a sim... I think a lot of em don't leave cause they fear they will do badly at a new sim.
lazs
heh, what's so bad about being sucky at a sim? I've been here for 2 years and I still pretty much suck. I can club a baby seal or two, but against the "good sticks" I feel like the baby seal. ;)
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After the rolling plane set pissed me off, and I hurt my arm playing ot much, I didnt play an online flight sime for a few years.
I decided to get back into it, I think like 2 years ago? Maybe less, and Downloaded the WB3 beta and Acedhigh.
I tried WB3, and didnt like it, everything felt like it was in slow motion, the roll rate on the planes was stupidly slow.....
I tried Aceshigh, and after flying for a bit and discovering the head position thing, it has killed me for other flight sims.
I see no problem with most of the flight models.
I know a guy who still plays WBs as far as I know, I think he was Bronco? (I know him in real life, not in Warbirds)
But from talking to him, it seems that many of the warbirds guys have this weird, non logical hate for Aceshigh, I just do not get it?
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No idea why anyone still pays more to play WB3 than what AH costs. I've downloaded and tried every version (offline at least) of WB since it was first called Confirmed Kill and it just can't compete with AH. Different strokes I guess.
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"9. Flak towers in the jungle made of holographic material. If i wanted to fly in fantsasyland i'd sign up for Aces High. "
Yeah, Sandman, I saw that too. Not sure what he's talking about either, unless he's yapping about the rocks without substance (which was initiated by AH as a response to complaints by players about losing Tigers to exploding boulders).
Its comforting to know that I can get my online flight sim addiction fed for $15 a month rather than $25 a month. That leave $10 a month for building model kits. :)
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I feel sorry for those guys that love WB. I'd hate to see AH go down that road.
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As long as HT doesnt "auger-in" or sell the damned program we should be alright for quite a few more years.
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It's a damn shame to see this happening, I started out in Warbirds and still have a soft spot for it. I feel sorry for the WB team who know what's needed but have a bufoon in charge who just doesn't listen.
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As someone who plays Warbirds but not AH, let me try to give you some insight into the "fantasyland" comment.
First and foremost, you can't take that comment out of context. Read the entire thread and you'll see that it was written by a raving lunatic. That there should clear up any misconceptions. :)
If it was written by a normal person, then it might take a bit more explanation.
It use to be that the main differences between AH and WB were philosophical in nature. WB caters to those wanting more historical flavors in their flight sim. Examples:
WB: Rotating plane set with a nice mix of early, mid and late war aircraft
AH: Perk system with most planes enabled 24/7, with emphasis on mid to late war aircraft
WB: Axis vs Allies
AH: Three-color war, all vehicles available to all sides.
WB: Historical terrains used in main arena
AH: Fantasy terrains designed for balance/game play and 3-country war
Here's a nit-picky one but important to dweebs like me: :)
WB: Metric cockpit guages where appropriate
AH: English units for everyone
This list is not intended to debate historical vs. fantasy game play. I enjoyed the 4 color war in WB and also like the axis vs allies.
Like I mentioned above, the items above use to be the main differences between AH and WB. Currently, there are vast differences that has allowed AH to prosper and WB to suffer.
A question for funkedup: Do you play AH these days? If not, what will be your next game to quit? :p
As for me, I'm an IJ fan and like my early war. If WB folds, I'll probably hang up the wings and play quake or something. :)
Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai
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I always though the main difference was leadership and vision.
Comments were a little harsh towards WillBill.. sorry.
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Kek I already quit AH once over some personal issues. :)
I have an active account , but I don't participate in arenas and am pretty much burned out on WW2 flight sims. I still play scenarios though. I doubt I will ever quit completely as long as Northolt Wing exists and there are some decent scenarios in AH.
Games I play the most these days:
Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
Live for Speed
Raven Shield
Ghost Recon
PS Kek you should get a 2 week trial account and come fly from Zuikaku with us on Saturday. :)
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right on Funked... same here.
actually the only game I play lately is life...
but I'm still hanging around.. hoping for a spark from AHII.
As long as the Assassins are here, so will I be..
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Originally posted by Kekule
WB: Rotating plane set with a nice mix of early, mid and late war aircraft
AH: Perk system with most planes enabled 24/7, with emphasis on mid to late war aircraft
Have you been by the AH combat arena?WB: Axis vs Allies
AH: Three-color war, all vehicles available to all sides.
Have you been by the combat arena?WB: Historical terrains used in main arena
AH: Fantasy terrains designed for balance/game play and 3-country war
Have you been by the combat arena?Here's a nit-picky one but important to dweebs like me: :)
WB: Metric cockpit guages where appropriate
AH: English units for everyone
Yeah... I really don't think we want to start nitpicking things cause fake roll dampers, reduced bullet damage multipliers, buff-tuff and terrain appearance are some things that come to mind in regards to WB and ruining any immersion aspect.
The sad thing is, our seldomely used Combat Theater sees more action than your main arena. It just seems that some people have been insisting AH was so bad for so long that they can't really ever come over with a clear conscience. Oh well... so long as they aren't blaming it on setup reasons that don't exist.
MiniD
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Thanx Kekule... I understand the perspective. It's not inaccurate, IMHO.
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Rgr sandman.
Like I said, the original post was written by a lunatic, so who really knows what he meant. :)
Mini D, no need to get defense. You sit in too much traffic on 217 or I-5 today? Originally from California? What gives? As for immersion factor, hows those chess-piece icons? :p Sheesh, both games are just that, games. I bet you fly with a silk scarf. Scarfing can be dangerous, be careful! :)
Ozark. No such thing as holding back when it comes to wildbill. Fire away, 99% of WBers will agree with you. LOL
Funked up, I did try AH for a 2 week period. It wasn't that bad but I did miss my Ki-43! The cannon armed Ki-61 almost made up for it though.
Basically I have time for only one game. I can see getting burned out on WWII sims.
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Defensive? Maybe a bit.
But... it doesn't negate the fact that everything you presented as a reason is no longer a reason. The Combat Theater is more active than the Warbirds III WWII arena and it is every bit as "realistic" using those discrepancies you've cited.
But, you will continue to cite those same discrepancies because, well, you always have... and those remaining die hard WB vets always have too. To admit otherwise would mean admitting that one game advanced while another remained stagnent. Oh well... not like the few of you left are really going to be missed numbers-wise. Its too bad... you would have liked flying in a historical arena that was actually populated.
MiniD
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Hiya kekule! I think even you would agree that my rants were small beer compared with this! Remember?! I'm past the anger/frustration phase with WB, but I can empathise with a lot of what fubar said. Aces High a fantasy land? A lot might say that, and there are gameplay issues and a lot of people waiting on the AH2 sidelines.
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He did "go off" a bit, but ive been flyin with Fubar for years,,,,he's a good guy, we cant dicount the tequilla factor, It was cinco de mayo wasnt it?
Im usually lucky enough to get back and edit bfore its too late :cool:
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Mini D:
But, you will continue to cite those same discrepancies because, well, you always have... and those remaining die hard WB vets always have too. To admit otherwise would mean admitting that one game advanced while another remained stagnent.
Read my original post. In case you forgot, this is what I said: "currently, there are vast differences that has allowed AH to prosper and WB to suffer."
That is pretty much stating that AH has advanced while WB remained stagnant. Ask anyone that plays WB and they will agree. So now what is your point? That your "game" is better than mine? I'll agree with that. Big deal. :cool:
Lets run down what we both agree on:
*AH is better overall than WB.
*AH has progressed while WB has stagnated.
Now tell me again why you are so defensive? Doesn't make sense when we agree. lol
I still think you are a native Californian. :p
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
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Its pretty obvious he doesn't know about the best aspect of AH, that being the Squadron Tour of Duty, the Combat Theatre, the special events...hell, only the MA has rotating fantasy terrain and the only reason for that is to keep a virtual battle interesting 24 hours a day.
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My point, kekule isn't about better or worse. Its about continuing to cite differences that don't exist anymore.... even if describing them as "used to be".
The truth is, there really isn't any reason a warbirds III player should be calling AH arcadish... but you didn't really come out and say that now.... did you?
How about coming out and telling the simple truth: people just don't want to leave their friends/community/security with a game they've been playing for the last 5 years. And... they'll come up with any excuse possible to justify their decision to those that question it. Seems to me that's what the post being discussed was all about... finding tons of reasons to quit when none were really necessary.
MiniD
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I think what d is saying is that there are no real apparent reasons for staying in WB or any advantage for WB over AH. There are however many disadvantages to staying with WB. Many things that are wrong and many that are just plain dishonest... The WWII arena has created a them vs us mentality that is so partisan and bitter that "community" is just a word that you all remmember and parrot.
Nifty... no crime in not being good... I am mediocre.. the crime is in fearing not being good. I believe that many of the WB guys stay there to remain big fish in little ponds and fear that if they come here they will be tiny little minnows in a big lake.
Worse... some stay because they actually think that others are watching their "skill" and they will embarass themselves here at first.
lazs
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I was a die hard fan of WB for years, started back in 97 or so, came to AH a couple of years ago.
I like Kek am a big Japanese planeset fan, Mmmmm Ki-84. I do get bored with AH usually with the Pizza and Trinity map, like lazs I am a furballer and need to save his prettythang often. I like fast paced fights and needing to keep track on 6 cons at once.
I think AH2 with be something for everyone from the looks of it.
I still have a few friends over in WB, hope to fly with them again soon. Took me a long time to leave WB, took convincing from lazs and hooligan when they were in NY, and I am glad I switched.
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Originally posted by narsus
Took me a long time to leave WB, took convincing from lazs and hooligan when they were in NY, and I am glad I switched.
Yep, you guys didn't listen to me like you should have :D Uncle Ripsnort is NEVER wrong. :D:D
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you hit the nail on the head lazs.
even a few of my old (really old) squaddies refuse to migrate.. at times they've 'leaked' that the learning curve would be too steep.
too bad, they're missing a lot and paying even more.
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Originally posted by Kekule
Mini D:
Read my original post. In case you forgot, this is what I said: "currently, there are vast differences that has allowed AH to prosper and WB to suffer."
That is pretty much stating that AH has advanced while WB remained stagnant. Ask anyone that plays WB and they will agree. So now what is your point? That your "game" is better than mine? I'll agree with that. Big deal. :cool:
Lets run down what we both agree on:
*AH is better overall than WB.
*AH has progressed while WB has stagnated.
Now tell me again why you are so defensive? Doesn't make sense when we agree. lol
I still think you are a native Californian. :p
This is great- the online equivilent of Neandratal Man, IE, Kekule of Warbirds, wanders over to our cave, admits that the Neandratals aren't doing so well, but he'll continue to hang in there until the very end because of "brand loyalty."
The REAL reason the Neanda... er...the Warbirds players that are hanging in there are sticking around until the bitter end is because their egos are too fragile to deal with the learning curve of switching to Aces High. Babies.
Go back to your War Birds cave Keukle and tell your dim-witted fellows that the Modern Humans in the NEXT cave play Aces High. And no matter how much jumping around, smashing your club on the cave wall and grunting you do your Sim is a dead end in the evolution of Flight Sims. And take your anti-California remarks with you.
-Airhead, Native Californian and proud of it.
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ugh!
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Originally posted by AKIron
No idea why anyone still pays more to play WB3 than what AH costs. I've downloaded and tried every version (offline at least) of WB since it was first called Confirmed Kill and it just can't compete with AH. Different strokes I guess.
WBIII is Confirmed Kill? Wow I was a beta tester in Confirmed Kill. It had great potential but they ran out of money just as they were getting it in semi playable condition. I thought it just died. Broke my heart.
My big find was flying the DC-2 with paratroopers in it and not being able to get it off the ground. I bugged it and the developer told me that he discovered the reason. The paratroopers weighted something like 500 lbs each.
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Airhead, lazs, I know you both well enough not to nibble your bait. :)
I suck at WB, I sucked when I tried AH for a week or two. *yawn* My ego can handle it 'cause I don't care if I die every sortie. Check my WB score for proof. lol :) Problem is, I can't suck at flying a Ki-43 in AH as well as I do in WB. One of my favorite planes. Maybe with AH2?
Oddly enough, I bash WB as much as the AH players. Brand loyalty is a strange condition.
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Oh Gawd, Airhead, I fargging laughed to myself for a min. straight after reading that until a co-worker asked if I was okay...(he's KNOWS that I'm not okay..;) )
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Originally posted by Habu
WBIII is Confirmed Kill?
Not WBIII, WB, sorry if I misled ya. When WB was first beta it was called Confirmed Kill. Sometime later and for reasons I don't recall there was a split and the sim was called Warbirds. The graphics engine was then changed.
Think it was Domark and/or Sierra that then continued development on Confirmed Kill which they much later went beta with. Flopped and never left beta stage.