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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on May 07, 2003, 05:49:04 PM
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Anyone watch that mtv metallica thingy?
i saw parts of it and realized something.... man i love the OLD metallica! basically everything before the "black" album.
to bad that style of music is dead and gone. (NO none of the nu-metal carp is similar... im talking about good old speed metal Megadeth Rust in Peace and stuff like that is gone :( )
oh well my 2¢
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Black was ok, but it was the death of good Matalica
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i love the OLD metallica! basically everything before the "black" album.
Yep they rocked before they sold out and got old.
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Everybody should have a copy of Slayer's Decade of Agression.
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Metallica sux
Would love to see Triumph(the insult comic dog) do a spoof on them.
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From Black Album to present has been Metallicas best stuff. Ride the lightning, Kill'em All, Justice for All, they were all mediocre-to-OK albums. The metal-heads all seem to fein over those albums though.
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Anything by MTV sucks, I want to say that right now. That was the worst dedication to Metallica I have ever seen.
Avril whatever the shreck her name is should _NOT BE DOING METALLICA SONGS_!!!! "Gimme fuel gimme fire, gimme the mute that I desire!!!"
KoRN, Snoop Dogg, and Limp Bizket covering Metallica songs- only the sweet release gracious death will grant me can save me from this pop culture world, and the idiots who follow it, that MTV has created.
-SW
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metallica sucks...iron maiden is much better...
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Originally posted by vorticon
metallica sucks...iron maiden is much better...
Die. Although I like both :)
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Even though their records suck, they still can rock. They are good Raiders fans too. They played a free unannounced concert in the parking lot before the AFC Championship game.
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Metallica died when Cliff did :(
Black is OK. Newsted is a geezer but... he's not Metallica. It'll be interesting seeing Newsted playing bass for Ozzy, could be interesting.
Seen Sabbath and Metallica live. Hoping to get to see Maiden this summer where they belong - outdoors and with 60,000 people watching :D
Gatso
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I don't think it died with the black album. Load and reload were pretty good too. Garage days has a lot of there old stuff redone and rocks. But the best of all time was ride the lightning.
Just my $.02
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How you can like Iron Maiden but not like Metallica is beyond me.... you must be one of those RUSH fans...
-SW
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I concur medic, Ride the Lightning kicks azzzzzzzzz.
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Just a bunch of Led Zepplin wannabees....
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Their early records are basically punk rock played with precision and mastery... and long hair.
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Napster killed Metallica.
Other than that... I think S&M rocks.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Just a bunch of Led Zepplin wannabees....
Zeppelin did Tolkein... Metallica did Lovecraft.
Not even the same. :)
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Originally posted by davidpt40
From Black Album to present has been Metallicas best stuff. Ride the lightning, Kill'em All, Justice for All, they were all mediocre-to-OK albums. The metal-heads all seem to fein over those albums though.
This may be the most wrong statement I've ever seen on these boards. I had the pleasure of seeing Metallica 4 times in the 80's. Twice with Cliff and twice with that other guy (never did like him) The first 3 albums were the best IMNSHO, with Master of Puppets being the best of the best. And Justice for all was OK but there was no Cliff :( and so no bass solo. What Cliff did with that bass has never been topped. He was the Hendrix of bass players. I'm still amazed at the song writing ablities of those young alcohollica's back in the 80's.
Best concert night ever in my life was Wasp opening up for Iron Maiden, then off to Cardi's to see Armored Saint and Metallica (ride the lightning tour) That was the best performace I ever saw Metallica give. SO EFFING LOUD!!! plus I was right there at the stage :D
ahhhh the days of good "classic" :D metal......
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I love old Iron Maiden too, but it finally dawned on me that 80% of their songs are based on the same 3 notes. So they all started sounding the same to me. But Killers through Live after death were some kick ARSE albums.
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:D
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Originally posted by Udie
with Master of Puppets being the best of the best
Yup.
I musta skimmed over davidpt40's post or it just went in one eyeball and out the other, let's just say... I don't think you'll find many people to agree with ya ;)
I have some pics of the Big Day Out festival that Metallica headlined over here a few years ago. Might dig em out and post one or two...
btw. thanks for sorting out my CD's for tomorow, it's been a while since I broke the old stuff out :)
Gatso
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You youngins! I remember seeing Judas Priest in concert, twice. Once as they opened for Kiss, and again as the headliner. THAT was metal!
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rush...never heard of it...i just prefer iron maiden over metallica...
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metallica aren't talented enough to be Rush's opening act. To compare a bunch a power cord nitwits to talented musicians is rediculous.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Even though their records suck, they still can rock. They are good Raiders fans too. They played a free unannounced concert in the parking lot before the AFC Championship game.
Then they had the police confiscate everyone's camera.
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i like iron maiden and metalica,,and of cource old metalica is the better than new
but!!! i would lisin to the new metalica stuff anyday over the new iron maiden tunes,,ewwwwwwwwwwwwww,,they did go down the drain,,last one i heard was made 2 years ago,,lost all its power,,and one song was call,,no more cheese amigo's!! omg was one of the worst songs i ever heard in my life,,lol<~~disspointed me:(
metallica aren't talented enough to be Rush's opening act. To compare a bunch a power cord nitwits to talented musicians is rediculous.
rush good band,,but too much hype and rush couldnt open for metalica ether,,,they would get booed off stage,,lol,metalica at a rush concert,,,is like having deicide show up at a willy nelson concert,,it just aint going to happen or work out:D
you know at one time rush anounced it would be the heaviest band ever!! hehe i guess they never expected the metal munching 80s:) turned them into a talant band,,instead of heavy
i got respect for any band who has sold a album in stores,,some bands i dont like,,,but i still respect them and what they have accomplished
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Rush has a good guitarist... the rest of it sounds like it's coming out of Funked's ass.
-SW
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and you know about funked's bellybutton sounds how???
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How you can like Iron Maiden but not like Metallica is beyond me.... you must be one of those RUSH fans...
Man, that's me to a tee!
Someone else mentioned Triumph and Triumph sounds good...but not the dog. Rick Emmet!
[edit], I have no clue about Iron Maiden past about 1986 or so. But loved them before that when in their prime!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Rush has a good guitarist... the rest of it sounds like it's coming out of Funked's ass.
-SW
Oh yeah, Metallica's drummer compares to neil peart:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by hyena426
rush good band,,but too much hype and rush couldnt open for metalica ether,,,they would get booed off stage,,lol,metalica at a rush concert,,,is like having deicide show up at a willy nelson concert,,it just aint going to happen or work out:D
There isn't a Metallica album that comes close to 2112
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neil pert is all of rushes hype,,,they guy is a good drummer,,,sence there has been many metal drummers that have blown away his records,,,i think slayers drummer has the guiness book of records for most beats per min..atleast in 1998 book i read,,,and most complicated beats on record,,dont dout the talent of the metal head artist,,some of them are very trained in all styles of music
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yes there is,,metalica master of puppets is like the 5th highest selling album of all time! after that,,lenard skynard,,michael jackson,,eagles,,and pink floyd,,are the highest selling albums in history,,i was suprized to see master of puppets on the list!,,lol 2112 wasnt on the list i seen of top sellers,,soo how can ya say its better? according to the population it aint
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Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee, Neil Peart. Not one of Mettalica's musicians *cough* can hold their intrument.
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Originally posted by hyena426
yes there is,,metalica master of puppets is like the 5th highest selling album of all time! after that,,lenard skynard,,michael jackson,,eagles,,and pink floyd,,are the highest selling albums in history,,i was suprized to see master of puppets on the list!,,lol 2112 wasnt on the list i seen of top sellers,,soo how can ya say its better? according to the population it aint
A bunch of stoned teenagers make it a top album, i'm impressed. If selling albums makes you a great musician then brian adams is great:rolleyes:
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you should be impressed,,it wasted rush and then some,,top selling albums,,what about pink floyd huh? they are way better than rush could dream,,and who made them number one selling album? same people who lisined to rush,,,hehe
A bunch of stoned teenagers make it a top album, i'm impressed
stone age teens?,,well people who lising to metalica back then are 30 and 40 years old,,i would hardly call them teens anymore
and how did rush get popular?,,stoned teen's from the 70's!!,,hehe so dont knock the people who made your fav band popular too
i like rush my self,,but no need to knock any othere band,,just because you dont like them,,lol
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I don't dislike them, I think they suck.
BTW, don't compare metallica to the floyd either
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Originally posted by Sixpence
A bunch of stoned teenagers make it a top album, i'm impressed. If selling albums makes you a great musician then brian adams is great:rolleyes:
Selling albums doesn't make you great, but selling them without radio play says something.
And they were drunk teenagers, not so much stoned. :)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Selling albums doesn't make you great, but selling them without radio play says something.
I take it you're saying Rush gets played more on radio than Metallica?
BTW, I'de see Alice in chains b4 Metallica.
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I think Rush sucks, not really proving much of anything there with what we think though.
It is entertaining to see how you get all emotional when someone disses Rush... Please use more rolleye emoticons, they make you look just as queer as Rush sounds.
-SW
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Or as queer as metallica sounds.
BTW, it seems more people are getting upset about the dis on metallica...........pssst, take a look;)
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I take it you're saying Rush gets played more on radio than Metallica?
BTW, I'de see Alice in chains b4 Metallica.
No, referring to Metallica selling a few hundred thousand albums before they had a major-label record deal or a radio single.
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Six, would you be surprised to hear that back in like '87 Geddy Lee called Metallica "one of his favorite bands" From a musicians stand point the stuff they did on Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets it genious. In fact, I would go as far as to say that Metallica was the Rush of the 1980's, except for the fact that Rush was the Rush of the 1980's :D Thier songs (both bands) were all well thought out and arranged, Rush being more bluesy. Very well produced in the studio and lyrics that actually told a story. Usually fantasy in Rush songs/albums, ie. 2112. Usually historical/religious/really cool stuff with Metallica. Point is that, at least I, hold both of these band's early careers at about the same level of talent and make me want to jam song writing ability.
And Metallica did it, as mentioned above, with NO radio play. Heck, they RAIRLY played a Metallica song in Houston on the radio until after Cliff Burton died, I'll never forget what I was doing when I heard the sad knews. (he was my idol as a teen, I was a bass player back then and he was tha man as far as I was concerned) They did it through word of mouth of a bunch of stoned teen agers :D all across the nation/world. Though I really can't speak for what happened in Europe or when because I'm not a stinky frenchman! :D So I don't know how they made it big there or when.
They definitely do not suck though.....
Puke,
I saw Triumph from the 6th row in '85 :) Rick was fricken bad! One of the best shows I ever went to. Thank you Canada for Rush and Triumph! Though it still doesn't make up for one Celine Dion :D
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You have to listen to more than just the notes and words too. 1/2 of metallica's rythm was the way James picked his guitar. All the crunching E's had their own beat. VERY technical rythm's within the rythem of the song. Orion, Call of K'tulu oh man! The best instrumentals of the mid 80's!
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I'm not getting upset...
A bunch of stoned teenagers make it a top album, i'm impressed. If selling albums makes you a great musician then brian adams is great
Oh yeah, Metallica's drummer compares to neil peart
Both of those were followed by the rolleye.
Rush sounds queer because their lead vocals whines non-stop.
-SW
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They suk
BTW, saw Triumph in '85' too, down in lakeland, Fl. It was a general admission show(was from the NE and was first GA show i'de been to) and Molly Hatchet backed them up. One of the best shows I ever saw.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I'm not getting upset...
A bunch of stoned teenagers make it a top album, i'm impressed. If selling albums makes you a great musician then brian adams is great
Oh yeah, Metallica's drummer compares to neil peart
Both of those were followed by the rolleye.
Rush sounds queer because their lead vocals whines non-stop.
-SW
Yeah, that makes alot of sense, I can see why you are a metallica fan.
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I'll second that, Udie. Both bands are excellent from a musical standpoint. Stylistically, you might not like one or the other, but both bands have mastered that style - from both a stylistic and a technical standpoint.
And I do like a lot of rush music, but I can't get past the vocals. One day at work, my curiosity got the best of me, and I had to go to the Rush website to determine the gender of the lead singer.
Maybe if they did some instrumental stuff, I'd give it a shot. Hell, they should get a cover band (apocalyptica-ish) to go to town on some Rush music.
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I can see why you are a metallica fan.
Because I don't like queer vocals and lyrics.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I can see why you are a metallica fan.
Because I don't like queer vocals and lyrics.
-SW
Yet you like your avatar.......interesting.
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Six, would you be surprised to hear that back in like '87 Geddy Lee called Metallica "one of his favorite bands" From a musicians stand point the stuff they did on Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets it genious.
coming from his favorate band own lips,,,sounds like rush likes metallica even more than the fans!! that gots to hurt a rush fan,,hehe
i like alot of bands,,ac/dc is one of my fav rock bands,,they still make good tunes still to this day,,same with zztop,,metalica,,megadeath,,slayer,,,but i dont go around telling everyone there bands suck,,and mine rule,,lol,,thats just cheesy,,i know a guy just like sixpeice,,all he talks about is the rolling stones!!,,nothing but rolling stones,,gets so old you wanna club him allmost,,but everyone is aloud there own opinion:)
rush talent wise is a great band,,but not so great that there fans should mock any othere bands
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not as much as metallica's music
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Don't be talkin' jive 'bout Mr.T foo!
-SW
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So will the "early metallica" fans give the new album a shot?
I'm a fan of both early and later stuff. They're different, and I alternate between the two phases. I listen to both... sometimes I'm in a more laid back late-Metallica mood, sometimes in a drive-fast, headbanging early-Metallica mood.
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Originally posted by hyena426
coming from his favorate band own lips,,,sounds like rush likes metallica even more than the fans!! that gots to hurt a rush fan,,hehe
Post a link on what Geddy Lee said, otherwise, it's just heresay
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I'll buy it, I own all the Metallica CDs... even the S&M one...
-SW
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Originally posted by Tarmac
So will the "early metallica" fans give the new album a shot?
I'm a fan of both early and later stuff. They're different, and I alternate between the two phases. I listen to both... sometimes I'm in a more laid back late-Metallica mood, sometimes in a drive-fast, headbanging early-Metallica mood.
I've always found that music made late in a bands career seems commercial, maybe it's just me.
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"even" S&M?
I think that's up there as one of their best. Love it or hate it, I guess.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Don't be talkin' jive 'bout Mr.T foo!
-SW
OK, low blow.........but I got more!
Hey boy!, You look mighty cute in them jeans. Now come over here and **** me up the azz! *grunt* Slow down! you''ll cum too fast, i'll clench my butt cheeks and rip your **** off! (eddie murphy)
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I like S&M, I'm saying "even"... because I've talked to "die hard" Metallica fans who think it's crap... mostly because it has a *gasp* symphony backing up their music.
What's Eddie Murphy got to do with Mr.T?
I pity da foo who thinks Mr.T's queer!
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
What's Eddie Murphy got to do with Mr.T?
He did a spoof on people being gay, and Mr T was one of them. I guess I'm showing my age.
Metallica sux
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I've probably seen it, just don't remember it... I don't remember many comedy skits past last month...
-SW
Rush blows goats
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Rush blows goats
that would be metallica, rush do sheep
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think slayers drummer has the guiness book of records for most beats per min
Ahh, a non-drummer who doesn't know what he's talking about. Are you talking single-stroke roll, double-stroke or even a buzz roll? A buzz roll just sounds like a buzz really, so how do you count the "beats per minute"? And just what do you consider a "beat"?
Think again.
Besides, fast isn't always difficult. Alternate the sticking. A fast paradiddle is much tougher than a fast single stroke roll. Or throw in all sorts of other rudiments.
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Maybe if they did some instrumental stuff, I'd give it a shot.
Tarmac, Rush is sorta known for doing some instrumental stuff. Shows you aren't that knowledgeable and able to make an honest comparison, I suppose. Anyway, check out the track "YYZ" for a good instrumental.
Udie, I saw Triumph too and still kick myself for missing them at the California US festival in about 1982 or 1983 when they toured for Allied Forces. Everyone came back saying they stole that show. Triumph was good despite their drummer though, he always seemed to me to be playing behind the beat which bugs me.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
rush do sheep
That would explain the high pitched wailing, got racked in the nutz by a goat he mistook for a sheep.
-SW
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Saw a Neil Peart drum solo that was amazing. No other drum solo that i've seen has come close. I've seen them five times, and usually he does his drum solo during YYZ. But I saw them in '85" at the worcester centrum, and they didnt do the drum solo during YYZ. In fact they went off the stage w/o a drum solo. I never heard a place so loud for an encore, the place was shaking, it was awesome. They played a very long encore and he did the drum solo during "red lenses". He was on a rotating stage that had three different drum sets. He plays about a 140 piece set. Drum sticks flying up into the rafters, and coming back down and catching them w/o missing a beat. It was quite a show. He was one of, if the the best, drummer of his time.
Loud too, we left the building nearly deaf.
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Originally posted by Puke
Tarmac, Rush is sorta known for doing some instrumental stuff.
Their radio singles just never wet my appetite to pick up any of their stuff. Maybe I'll give em a shot.
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Notice how many people who claim to like Metallica can't spell Metallica
By the way I like Metilica also :D
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Their radio singles just never wet my appetite to pick up any of their stuff. Maybe I'll give em a shot.
Honestly, I haven't listened to them in years(early 90's) Check out some of their live stuff from the early years. I got sold on the alternative scene of the 90's (although I don't think there is such thing as popular alternative music,lol)
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I take it you're saying Rush gets played more on radio than Metallica?
BTW, I'de see Alice in chains b4 Metallica.
Too bad they're missing one key ingredient. :(
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Too bad they're missing one key ingredient. :(
Yeah, I heard the singer died? It must have been low key, or I just wasn't paying attention.
Saw them in '91', they were backing up Van Halen. Great show.
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BTW, I'de see Alice in chains b4 Metallica
I doubt that, since the singer is dead.
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Yeah... I think most people on this board had no idea who Layne Staley was.
http://216.91.192.19/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51614&highlight=layne+staley
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Rush has some good stuff, 2112, Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, etc. Some of the later stuff really sucks though. The singer is pretty annoying. I always used to wish my stereo had a button next to "Dolby Noise Reduction" called "Geddy Lee Voice Reduction".
Slayer's original drummer kicked ass. They are an incredible band to see live. I've never seen or heard anything like it. They still kick ass, but not quite as much. Any metal fan worth his salt should own Decade of Agression.
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He was a champion bare knuckle boxer in his teens, he must have took a shot to the nads.
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I rank Metallica right under Led Zeppelin in the rock competion.
Overall I rank the Beatles as no.1, Zep no.2, Metallica no.3 based on songwriting, originality, performance and vocals.
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Liked Rush, was never a big Metallica fan. Admitedly, Rush was a bit anticeptic, but Metallica had a tendancy to be at the exact opposite end of that spectrum. Never wore either groups black t-shirts. Maybe that's what I despised about Metallica... it wasn't their music, but their fans. Talk about being the biggest group of clones on the face of the earth.
Guess I don't mind seeing people act like clones... as long as part of the clone pier pressure involved showering once in a while.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Liked Rush, was never a big Metallica fan. Admitedly, Rush was a bit anticeptic, but Metallica had a tendancy to be at the exact opposite end of that spectrum. Never wore either groups black t-shirts. Maybe that's what I despised about Metallica... it wasn't their music, but their fans. Talk about being the biggest group of clones on the face of the earth.
Guess I don't mind seeing people act like clones... as long as part of the clone pier pressure involved showering once in a while.
MiniD
OMG
LMAO
Like there were not legions of mulleted retards wearing Rush shirts too!
This thread has jumped the shark.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Like there were not legions of mulleted retards wearing Rush shirts too!
Nah.. all the rush fans had "ziljan" t-shirts.
Surely you aren't comparing the black tee metallica army to that of the rush fans? Granted, most of the rush fans were wearing black tee's too... but they all said "Metallica" on them. ;)
MiniD
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I still love Metallica
say what you will they still rock IMO
(ok, that and it's fun to play their songs.. we're covering a few)
oh yeah.. and they're from the BLACK album, which is used in these parts to 'prep' for a big day on the mountain !
that's Zildian you non-drummer you!
(btw, being a non-drummer is a compliment :))
but... are there any out there looking for work in the Snowmass area?
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Originally posted by NUKE
I rank Metallica right under Led Zeppelin in the rock competion.
Overall I rank the Beatles as no.1, Zep no.2, Metallica no.3 based on songwriting, originality, performance and vocals.
:rolleyes:
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seeing as how i started this post i gotta step in a min and say:
a band with songs about faries in the trees compared to BATTERY.... hmmmm who's the "queer" one?
this was meant to be a bash on MTV & the hosers that tried to do Metallica songs on it. not the band being "honored" :(
from now on all subtlities are out the door... the gloves are off.. no letting the "boards" interpret and see what they think. you are all wrong compared to me!
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I dunno Nuke. I'd put Floyd over Metallica in those categories.
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The Red Knight rules! Blue Knight! You're going down!
Going down, down down!
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Rush sounds queer because their lead vocals whines non-stop.
yep.. their instrumentals are the best
but I still like Rush at times.. don't figure
but how can one campare Rush to Metallica
apples and oranges IMO, nothing to compare.
as far as musicianship you can't believe Metallica has that going for them.. their stuff is fun to listen to and I love it but they are NOT great musicians by any stretch..
Rush on the other hand, are all top notch..
but I still prefer to listen to Metallica at times.
Rock and Roll isn't always about the talent..
it;s about the soul
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"that's Zildian you non-drummer you!"
you mean "Zildjian"?
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lmao :) yup see.. I'm a non-drummer too !
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bah! metallica, sucks fat wang, the real thing and the chinese family.
Aldo Nova! nuff said.
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Paiste!
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lmao! what a queer he is/was...
any 5th grader can play his stuff blindfolded
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life is just a fantasy!
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Originally posted by funkedup
Everybody should have a copy of Slayer's Decade of Agression.
agreed!
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Everybody should have a copy of Slayer's Decade of Agression.
got it on tape cd and video,,the first slayer video was on that album i beleve,, war ensemble
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wha?!?!?! you mean everyone doesn't already have it??
deprivation
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My top three
1.) The Who
I think as a group they were the total package, Townsend's lyrics, Kieth moon's drums, The late ,great, John Entwistle, and the booming vocals of Roger Daltrey.
2.) Jimi Hendrix(the whole band)
His drummer(Mitch Mitchell) and bass player were phenoms, it's too bad it all ended so soon.
3.)There is a group of about 5 I can put here, i'de have to make a top ten:)
Alot of people do not not listen to Rush because it is too "deep".
They have a strange cult of intellectuals that follow them. They write of science, books, and man as he thinks. The "Fear" trilogy is written about three aspects of fear and how it affects us. "Witch Hunt" (that I relate to the salem witch trials) That describes how fear manifests itself into one's thinking and how that fear is used. "The Weapon" that describes how fear of weapons used against us affects us and our thinking( could fit well into current times) "The Enemy Within" that describes the fear of evil within ourselves and the fear of what we are capable of.
Songs written based on books include "The Body Electric" and "Red Barchetta" ( read the lyrics of red barchetta, I think it is a fantastic story)
And songs of science(there are alot) and man's hopes for the future include "Manhatten Project" "New World Man" and my favorite "Countdown" is about the first space shuttle launch( the recording of the coversation between control and the shuttle during launch is pretty cool, then again, anything to do with the space shuttle I think is cool:) )
http://www.rush.com/
BTW, I don't consider them a great band, but The Scorpions was a great concert.
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Huge fan of Maiden, Priest, Slayer and Metallica (mainly the old stuff).
Personally I feel Slayer is the one band that hasn't sold out. Slayer’s the best most aggressive metal band there is. period.
No band even compares to Slayer when you’re talking about metal!
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Originally posted by Sixpence
...but The Scorpions was a great concert.
now im getting scared :eek: pls tell me you arent serious. i saw them in the late '80's and it was:
hello ****** are you ready to rooookkkk?
goodnight ********
lights come up.
the absoult worst concert i have ever seen in my like... i seen bar bands do better while hitting wrong chords in the songs.
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No, the place rocked that night. The crowd to me can make a concert. I didn't see any lip synk. Great band....no...good show.
Make-up? Lol, that was the 80's. Show me a band from then that didn't have make-up( isn't it ironic that that's when Kiss decided to take the make-up off? strange world)
Sorry, thought you mentioned make up.