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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan on November 23, 2001, 02:47:00 PM
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...for now. This game is good, don;t get me wrong, but I want to try WW2online before I make a choice.
Major gripes:
1) Would have liked to see more team play. If you're not in a squad then you have it bad. And I'm hardly going to join a squad during my 2 weeks!! I wish more people would participate and work and help each other rather than "don't steal my kills...boo hoo!". I was in Knights for most of my 2 weeks and some of us were exchanging info on where best to help out when one of the vets (I assume he was a vet by his good rank) told me to "shut up" and everyone to do what they want to in the game. Nice. Not! (you know who you are). I reminded the "clever" person he was on the team chat channel and why was he listening if he didn't want to be part of a team, anyway? Duh!
I later changed to rooks. Much nicer people in general and the vets (I presume they were, by their rank) were really organizing things well.
2) People calling non-existent 6 calls... Some may have been mistakes, but some weren't FOR SURE. I don't mind people getting in on my dog fight and getting the kill (I like the help, anyway), but those cheap tricks are lame.
3) Not enough info on who wins the war. There was one reset and nothing was said about the outcome. Disappointing.
4) The flight model. Although in general good, I just think they bleed way too much E too fast. I couldn't do a proper barrel roll (not aileron roll!!) because I would be at stalling speed by the time I entered the 2nd. And...before you say...barrel roll, hah, easy...how come I never saw one person do it in combat? Also other basic moves I found really difficult. Split-S...this was nearly impossible at low speeds because I would stall once in inverted dive and the plane would roll making it impossible to stay inverted and I would get into a vicious circle of stlling, trying to stay inverted and gain speed but cant due to rolling over...etc...
5) The engine noise would stay the same no matter the AoA, speed etc... (minor gripe this one)
6) Something else about the flight model...the planes (fighters)were really hard to get under 100 mph..for example when landing, I like to flare at the bottom, like you normally would but I was always forced to land nose down because as soon as I flared the plane would start climbing instead of losing altitude and speed...it could never go below the critical speed to get it to stall ten feet above runway!!!
Those are my major gripes. Things I like about this game are the amount of planes....i loved the choice I had. I also liked seeing Hitech flying with us. Very cool. And the maps. That mountainous was was really nice. Nice maps. Excellent FPS in this game.
As soon as I try WW2 online I'll make my decision.
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S!
If its a choice between WWIIOnline and AH, trust me, you`ll be back.
As far as the majority of your complaints, it sounds like you prefer a more respectful, more historical situation.
I would suggest you try out the Scenario`s, TOD`s and Snapshots. You WILL get the results, and you WILL get a group of people who are more polite and friendly.
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1) teamplay... yup, definitely lacking.
2) 6-calls... at least they tried. From far away netlag can give your teammate the impression that the plane you are chasing is actually chasing you. Also, if you gave some 6 calls of your own you would see that the mechanism isn't perfect, sometimes it locks on the wrong plane and won't let go, so you end up giving a six call to someone who is totally clear.
3) end of war... whatever.
4) FM... if you can't do a barrel roll without stalling then you haven't come close to proficiency yet. This whole paragraph sounds like you need lots of practice, which means lots of getting shot down.
5) engine noise... this has been gone over before, the constant speed props make the engine noise more constant, too.
6) landing flare... that sounds like ground effect, which IMHO is probably over done here. Still you need to practice.
Buying the WWIIOnline box is gonna cost you about 3 months of AH online play. After 3 days you will regret it.
ra
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cya
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but I want to try WW2online before I make a choice.
HAHA HA HA HA.
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S!
I hope you come back. The issues with the flight models are probably more along the lines of realism but trust me, when you get into this game you'll come to learn just what you can and cannot do in each plane. Learning the limits is the biggest part of AH for me.
Not much to say on your other points - teamwork can be tough to find, and be glad you got those check6 calls. More often then not it's the lack thereof which is aggrevating. It seems that the bishops are the best when it comes to calling 6, and the rooks the worst. Knits are just pansys.
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lol, what raub said...
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happy trails to yoouuuuu
dago
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i dont think he's the typical AH quitter guys. Giving him the typical "good riddance" isnt needed at all. Here is a person who used his 2 week trial and his feedback is something useful that I'm sure we all could use and that HTC most likely took notice of.
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For landings you need to skid the plane to scrub off that speed and make sure you use the flaps to create the much needed drag to stay slow. (Because the planes retain heaps of E :) ). Drop me aline and I will get with ya in H2H if ya want to go over some of the finer points of the FM :)
S!
Rocket
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FlyingDuck did you try training with a trainer? Just check in the TA if there is a trainer available or call for one in the MA.
I'm not an official trainer but happy to help you out, gimmy a mail if you want to; j_apar@hotmail.com
You'll enjoy the game much more after some basic flight and dogfight training, I'm sure.
Whatever U do, hope to see you back some time in AH.
S!
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Thanks guys for the posts, I appreciate it.
Ra, you are probably right and wrong. I need more practice flying in THIS game because I've been flying loads of flight sims for donkeys years and every game models the FM differently (I'm sure you already know this). It's just that on every flight sim I've played, this must be the one which bleeds E off faster then any others. Maybe it's supposed to be like that...who knows? I've never flown a real WW2 fighter plane, so I can't say for sure.
About the 6 calls...when you get a check 6 from someone, then 3 seconds later get another check 6 from that person, and again, then you see that person just behind you trying to shoot the same target as you...seems sort of suspicious. As I said, I don't care about someone butting in and getting the kill (I just consider them like a temporary wingman), it's just calling "check 6" to do it seems CHEAP.
The end of the war matters to me because if I spend hours defending or attacking bases, I'd like to see that maybe I've contributed to the overall picture. Wouldn't it be a good idea having on the web page something like "Bishops won last reset". Something like that? Just an idea.
Ra..about the barrel roll....I've never seen anyone ever do it in combat. I've either seen turns from tnb's or zooms from bnz's stuff like that. I'm not trying to be funny here...but explain to me how YOU do a barrel roll. Cos I would like to know. According to WW2 plane manuals, the stick was supposed to be at full extent in a diagonal to perform it and in most games it works...I dunno. I never did a good one. Maybe I just need practice.
Reason I wanna try WW2Online is cos of the possibility for different missions like recon (which there is no point here cos of radar), Ground Support (which is non existent here). I love flying those two missions. A real pity they couldn't find a way to get it into this game. But I might end up playing both..who knows!!
BTW...Ra..I wasn't that bad. I ended up with 60 kills all of them dogfighting AND I shot a few vets down...hehe. (wont mention names to save embaressment) :D
Thanx for the offer Rocket, I might take you up on it. :D
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Dang, I agree. There is bad team play in the MA and lots off "Idiots" like the Knight "Vet" u mentiond. He is probably a Mulla Omar suporter (poor thing). As far as ww2online is consernd, It is a good ground Combat game. The flight sim version of the game is not good. (but the ground war is realy good, I subscribe both too AH and WW2online , FA 3 and Wb3 when they are finnished). Perhaps we who love Team Work should change too Rook.
Ps. There is many good Knights (S)
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The person continually sending "check six" messages is being a love muffin. Announce who is doing this over the friendly channel and then squelch them with ".squelch xxx".
As far as your other points:
You think they bleed to much energy now, you shoulda been around for pre 1.03 FM. However several players pointed out faults in calculations used by HiTech and he fixed the FM. You will never get such customer satisfaction from the rats.
I personally use lag rolls and barrel roll attacks and "E" bleeding barrel rolls in nearly every fight I get into.
This game has a steep learning curve and with only 2 weeks under your belt you have only reached the peak of the iceberg of your future potential.
Don't forget that there are tulips everywhere in life and we certainly have our fair share here. Quite a few of us knits regularly help out and work together. Be aware that AH has recently had a huge influx of new players who are in the same boat as you and therefore may find it easier to grab a simple plane and head to the nearest field with the most red around it and furball away. Their money, their fun. Just look around for like minded folks and you will have a great time.
F.
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WWIIOL I will say is a good concept but it was released way to early, U will see that the teamwork in there is just as bad as here. As for the check 6 do get u to break off from possible kills is cheap it is a more resent thing more and more dweebs have been doing it to get u to break off or crash, and its just childish. I am not going to say anything bad about all the former AWs coming over but they had alot of bad seeds that came over and alot of good pilots, in a whole the community has gone down hill since some of them have come over but try and just ignore them, I try REAL hard and fail everyday. But I wish U the best of luck with WWIIOL maybe U will liek it but u will see many of the same things here that U see there, like the kill stealing.
<S> and GL
Hodo
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Split-S...this was nearly impossible at low speeds because I would stall once in inverted dive and the plane would roll making it impossible to stay inverted and I would get into a vicious circle of stlling, trying to stay inverted and gain speed but cant due to rolling over...etc...
Gotta wonder what "low speeds" you are talking about. You should not be stalling in a split-s unless somehow you think you should have complete elevator authority at 20 IAS.
AKDejaVu
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I'm sorry you didnt find what you were looking for with AH FlyingDuck, and I hope that maybe Playnet/CRS can step up to the plate for you with WWIIOL. WarBirds, AH, WWIIOL, are all great games run by good people, and all have positives and negative attributes. Each offer different strokes for different folks.
No matter what these yahoo's say, email ANY of the Rats and they will be more than happy to help you out.
Until then, heres a little something to tide you over, compliments of one of the other WWIIOL players, Bushman.
Enjoy!
"The Battle" (http://www.intelgamer.com/downloads/battlev2.zip)
GunFighter
[ 11-23-2001: Message edited by: GunFighter ]
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FWIW-
Before you buy WWIIO check with someone you know and trust that owns the game. Talk him/her into letting you try it out for a bit on their rig. Take note of the specs of the rig and the performance he/she is getting. With luck, your friend will know very well how to get the most out of his/her rig, and you will see a decent game- at times. If not...
The game is a good concept with poor execution, pure and simple. You should try it and judge for yourself of course, but you should be warned going in you need at least 512MB of RAM and a good video card to make it run acceptably (and barely then).
You should also know there is a core of users that will tear your head off if you ever post anything like what you did above. I may not agree with everything you said here but I can see that you took the time to focus your thinking on the subject and can respect that- hey, this game ain't for everyone. You will not get that consideration over there- don't say I didn't warn you! :p
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FlyingDuckSittingSwan...com'on man, no wonder people weren't so quick to offer anything but a grin......who wants to say that nick, they probably didn't take you seriously after seeing it, but... the Rooks are a great bunch of people<G>. The MA is really an all out "shoot down the enemy" arena. Lots of great squads in there, and if you stick around long enough, and get to know some of the people, you might be invited into a squad....or maybe not. :D
I haven't flown a WWII combat fighter airplane yet either. I have flown a lot of civilian airplanes, and what I have found is the manuver sequence, like anything flying, is fighting gravity, and is usually botched by the pilot and not by the airplane. Setting the correct speed of airplane when entering the manuver usually is the key. Well, have a great time in WWIIonline. I don't think most will miss you, but if you come back, that's ok too. ;) Give us an update on WWIIOL also.
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I regularly do barrel rolls in combat when it suits my purpose. Your not going to get full stick deflection without completely stalling your a/c unless you really turn down your stick inputs in setup. The reason your stalling during split S's is that you are pulling back too hard on the stick and putting your a/c into accelerated stalls. As for e-bleed, well except one plane in particlular that we know of as being pretty well porked (nik) on the other side of the spectrum I'd have to say HTC is probably not too far off the mark.
I own and subscribe to wwii online, have for the last few months. Just recently had to install a new hd into my system and while I can say that I've reloaded everything I had on the old drive the one thing I never bothered to re-install was WWII Online, even though I'm still paying for it. It's just not done well at all. It falls well short in every mark.
CRASH
Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
...for now. This game is good, don;t get me wrong, but I want to try WW2online before I make a choice.
Major gripes:
1) Would have liked to see more team play. If you're not in a squad then you have it bad. And I'm hardly going to join a squad during my 2 weeks!! I wish more people would participate and work and help each other rather than "don't steal my kills...boo hoo!". I was in Knights for most of my 2 weeks and some of us were exchanging info on where best to help out when one of the vets (I assume he was a vet by his good rank) told me to "shut up" and everyone to do what they want to in the game. Nice. Not! (you know who you are). I reminded the "clever" person he was on the team chat channel and why was he listening if he didn't want to be part of a team, anyway? Duh!
I later changed to rooks. Much nicer people in general and the vets (I presume they were, by their rank) were really organizing things well.
2) People calling non-existent 6 calls... Some may have been mistakes, but some weren't FOR SURE. I don't mind people getting in on my dog fight and getting the kill (I like the help, anyway), but those cheap tricks are lame.
3) Not enough info on who wins the war. There was one reset and nothing was said about the outcome. Disappointing.
4) The flight model. Although in general good, I just think they bleed way too much E too fast. I couldn't do a proper barrel roll (not aileron roll!!) because I would be at stalling speed by the time I entered the 2nd. And...before you say...barrel roll, hah, easy...how come I never saw one person do it in combat? Also other basic moves I found really difficult. Split-S...this was nearly impossible at low speeds because I would stall once in inverted dive and the plane would roll making it impossible to stay inverted and I would get into a vicious circle of stlling, trying to stay inverted and gain speed but cant due to rolling over...etc...
5) The engine noise would stay the same no matter the AoA, speed etc... (minor gripe this one)
6) Something else about the flight model...the planes (fighters)were really hard to get under 100 mph..for example when landing, I like to flare at the bottom, like you normally would but I was always forced to land nose down because as soon as I flared the plane would start climbing instead of losing altitude and speed...it could never go below the critical speed to get it to stall ten feet above runway!!!
Those are my major gripes. Things I like about this game are the amount of planes....i loved the choice I had. I also liked seeing Hitech flying with us. Very cool. And the maps. That mountainous was was really nice. Nice maps. Excellent FPS in this game.
As soon as I try WW2 online I'll make my decision.
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Originally posted by CRASH:
...except one plane in particlular that we know of as being pretty well porked (nik)...
:confused:
What is wrong with it and who is the "we" that "knows" about it?
I take it that you weren't happy with HTC's fix to the N1K2 FM.
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I dont see why people are so sensitive. I am saying this game is great, but I'm going to try out WW2Online and see later on. I might subscribe to both. I just wrote what I honestly didn't like about the game and some things I thought strange, but there were many things I really liked about the game too which i left out...like the weather effects. Wow. I love it. And the maps. I like to sight-see when I fly sometimes and the mountainous map was lovely.
AK Dejavu...the speeds I'm talking about are anywhere from 150 mph to 180. I may be mistaken, but I thought split-s's were slow speed maneuvers anyway? The point is too change to opposite direction quickly, not to get to sea level. No?
my split-s goes like this..
Invert...
Start pulling back on stick...
Nose gets to about 60 degree angle of attack (inverted remember)
Starts to stall...
Wing over stall...
No E....
Have to abort...
Thing that bugs me is that the plane doesn't pick up E quick enough when I go inverted and AoA is nose down. Yes, maybe I could do it more shallow, but that wouldn't be a split-s if I lost 7k and took me 5 minutes just for that manuever now, would it? I tried various power settings too. Maybe it's just me.... :confused:
Thorns, FlyingDuckSittingSwan is just for the message boards. I had a "normal" :D one in-game.
p.s. I checked my stats...and I shot down a 262 and a couple of those arado...jet bomber thingies. Not bad for a noob...go on, admit it! hehe :D :D
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MAN I FEEL YOUR PAIN :D .... at least with the whole split "S" barrel roll thing. But trust me you can do those manuevers at even much lower speeds than you mentioned. I know this because at first I couldn't keep the planes in the air flying level...I would stall and lawn dart every time I touched the stick.....Now I can perform nearly any move at any speed...sometimes texbook quality, other times pretty shaky but its exactly how Thorns described it, pilot not plane.
If you are ever in doubt about the capability of ACM in this game just get on leviathn's six and try and stay there. :D Doing this myself many times (and ending up dead) I have now mastered a few excellent manuevers at below 100mph <--- didn't think they were even possible until a few weeks ago and I've been playing this game 2 years!
OK OK so I suck and everybody knows I'm a lousy shot but what I can't do...others seem to do very well. :D Just takes a lot of practice I guess. The idea is to make it challenging so by the time you amster the moves you will be a AH junkie!! he he he
<S>
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Two things came to mind while reading your post.
1) You are probably applying too much pressure to the elevator controls, or moving the control too fast. Any time you exceed an angle-of-attack in excess of 18 degrees to the relative air flow (usually referred to as relative wind, but I think that would confuse most people), you are going to stall.
2) I agree about ground effect. There also isn't any downwash, which you should be thankful for.
When you get back look up 'forward slip' on the web. That move will help you get things sorted out for landing. As of now this sim is very forgiving of this manuever, so go at it with gusto! :)
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If you need help with the flying or the game, there are plenty of us willing to help you. Just ask, we will give you all the help you need.
dago
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Then it's me that can't fly. :D I thought so.
Thanks for all the responses guys. And thanks for the link GunFighter. You'll all probably see me again quite soon, anyway. I'll probably be subscribing to both as soon as I get my brand spanking new l33t computer. Its about the same money as 3 pizzas a month...thats not bad. Or about a 5 pack pair of briefs. Or taking out a cheap date (with probably no nookie afterwards). Or filling my car up 3 quarters of the way. Or a cheap pair of jeans. Or an even cheaper pair of shoes. Whatever way you look at it, playing AH and WW2Online doesn't cost that much. But then again I dont have a wife or kids to support. YES!!! I feel lucky. :p :p :D I can blow my hard earned wherever I want. hahha...I knew there was a reason for not using deoderant before a date. :cool:
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For what it's worth, since I'm no good at AH.
You won't get a barrel roll by holding the stick at a rear/side position. You will more likely get a roll into lawn dart type thingie. And the stall should be no surprise. Like an aileron roll, you must constantly adjust your control surfaces while the plane rolls. And I think full back deflection should result in a stall.
I don't understand why the split s does what you say. But I had a similar problem at one time. My game controllers didn't seem to work. I couldn't make any moves, other than a shallow bank turn, in any plane without getting the stall buzzer and a snap roll. Everyone was turning circles around me... literally. So I quit for a while. When I tried it again, all was much better. So, just for the hell of it, uninstall AH and remove/reinstall your game controllers. Calibrate your joystick in Windows and then reinstall AH. (You should have rebooted your PC at least once durig this.)
If you stick is too sensitive, tone it down by scaling and damping in AH setup. Remember, you must do this for each control surface separately and use the Apply Settings for each.
The only other thing I can think of is, don't force the planes to do anything. You should guide them instead. It's like there is a small delay when you move the stick. As the plane starts to respond, give it some more input. Like in the split s, your hand should be gradually pulling the stick back as your plane swings low and back up. Then relax it slowly rather than sudden, you will have less plane wobble that way. Don't force the stick, nudge it.
Happy skies,
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FlyingDuck... e-bleed... is non existant in ww2ol
stukas can loop all day
it won't be the flight portion that will keep u in ww2ol if at all
its an awesome tank sim tho +)
I was on the server during a night battle on the outskirts of a town, i was on the defending team. It gets DARK in ww2ol, and i was an infantry and man, the flashes the tracers the sounds were awesome prone in the middle of it all.
SKurj
[ 11-23-2001: Message edited by: SKurj ]
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
...for now. This game is good, don;t get me wrong, but I want to try WW2online before I make a choice.
Major gripes:
1) Would have liked to see more team play. If you're not in a squad then you have it bad. And I'm hardly going to join a squad during my 2 weeks!! I wish more people would participate and work and help each other rather than "don't steal my kills...boo hoo!". I was in Knights for most of my 2 weeks and some of us were exchanging info on where best to help out when one of the vets (I assume he was a vet by his good rank) told me to "shut up" and everyone to do what they want to in the game. Nice. Not! (you know who you are). I reminded the "clever" person he was on the team chat channel and why was he listening if he didn't want to be part of a team, anyway? Duh!
I later changed to rooks. Much nicer people in general and the vets (I presume they were, by their rank) were really organizing things well.
Not to pick on you, did you spend ANY time in the training room? I know I, for I, despise newbies that sign on for their two-week trial and pollute the buffer with "HOW DO I LAND" or "HOW DO I BOMB" and other stupid things people learn to do by either a) reading the online help AND/OR b) spending some time in the training room with the excellent trainers.
We've got a lotta new guys in lately, yourself included. Nice to have you aboard, but don't expect the community, who pays to be and play there, to educate you every step of the way...help along, yes.
That's my 2 cents, enjoy WW2OL...I think you'll prefer Aces High and its less-than-Cray-SuperComputer-Requirements tho!
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more then likely he has no rudder pedals or doesn't use rudder input and simply "stick stirs" through the roll.
How ever if anything AH fm has more "e" retension then any other mmpog flight sim.
(maybe not more then fa or rr aw)
the only way I get kills in a g6 is to barrel roll both to keep from overshooting and to cause an overshoot with out giving up too muck e.
wwiiol well .......... see for urself.
Your for a rude awakening if you think you'll go into wwiiol and find a "team experience".
No offense it mostly new guys that get on country channel and gripe about team work and they usaully go outa there way to tell you how "team work" should be done. "Follow me.........team?"
we aint a team just a bunch of individuals tryin to have fun.
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LePaul, I don't think you read all the post. I think I made clear I'm not a noob at flight sims. Land?? Don't be ridiculous. Of course I could land even though it wasn't the perfect flight sim landing I like to perform with a little flare at the bottom, it was more like the arcady nose down landing, but I could still land. What's the point of the training area when I could do most basic things and in combat I beat a few of you "vets" anyway? There was no prob in a dogfight. Lag turn, lead turns, high or low yo-yo's. It was just certain quircks in the flight model I couldn't get used too.
Wotan...I wasn't saying "follow me" on the chat channel. There was a bunch of us "noobs" trying to form up and play as a team. Excuse my ignorance, but what's the team channel for if not for this? Is it to discuss Britney Spears latest song, maybe? If it is, I apologise for misusing the team channel.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
check out my stats as a noob...
callsign: tempest9
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your 39 and 79? right on track for someone new to AH.
you have more ship gunner kills then any
other ....still on track for someone new.
The only thing that stands out is you not fly buffs like most new guys.
No offense it mostly new guys that get on country channel and gripe about team work and they usaully go outa there way to tell you how "team work" should be done. "Follow me.........team?"
I never said you specifically did but those guys use the text buffer to say the same things you did in your post.
so no knights work together at all? which is bs i know i was a knight for 6 months or so.
In each "country" there are folks who werk together but theres no "national unity" its up to you to define the type of "team work" your capable of offering then go out and find folks who are similiar.
wwiiol is even more fragmented then AH.
As for your previous Flight games its irrelevant each one flies different and it takes a period of adjustment. Even with versions (1.04) we have seen the fm tweaked and have had to take time to adjust to it in this game.
I think jumping right into the main without any offline training is one of the hardest ways to adjust to AH in general. There are lotsa folks out there that can help you.
But even then it boils down to fun. if you aint havin fun then best to fade away quietly.
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its country channel btw not team talk or whatever
[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]
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FlyingDuckSittingSwan> I'm sure you'll be back, it's a shame that a few idiots may have soured things a little but from your post you seem to have enjoyed AH overall. Try WW2OL but I'm sure you'll be back for AH. Is there an online playable demo out now? If so get that and don't waste $40..even EB have refused to take the game back now. You mention planes here seem to loose to much E but I found WW2OL planes held way too much which resulted in planes flying in ever decreasing circles furball fashion.
You also mentioned ground support..well I don't want to rain on your parade but you'll find even less co-operation in WW2OL. The ground war guys never seemed to ask or offer any co-operation and other pilots generally furballed around the few airfields available. The whole onlinesim felt disjointed not only by the bugs still in the game but also by the lack of co-operation amongst the community. With the command structure in place it just felt like people would only play if they could have it all their own way to boost their own rank and be damned with you if it did'nt.
For me the only real contender for AH is WBIII. It's still in its infancy but worth a look none the less more so than WW2OL but I still think AH will end up with your subscription ;)
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Here's my stats for my first "two weeks" tour 2 .][
Kills of Fighters
4
0
Kills of Bombers
4
0
Fighter Assists
0
0
Bomber Assists
1
0
Sorties
35
0
Landed
6
0
Discos
0
0
Bails
3
0
Ditches
7
0
Captures
0
0
Deaths
19
0
Object Damage
80.1000
0.0000
Object Destroyed
0.0000
0.0000
Plane Damage
2672.4462
0.0000
Kill Score
5.6875
0.0000
Total Sortie Time
31130
0
Ordnance 0 Used
7061
0
Ordnance 1 Used
0
0
Ordnance 2 Used
2
0
Ordnance 3 Used
0
0
Ordnance 4 Used
0
0
Ordnance 0 Hit
454
0
Ordnance 1 Hit
0
0
Ordnance 2 Hit
0
0
Ordnance 3 Hit
0
0
Ordnance 4 Hit
0
0
Rank Ratio
Rank Ratio
Kills Per Death
682 0.3478
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Kills Per Sortie
728 0.2286
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Kills Per Time
922 0.0003
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Damage Per Death
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749 80.1000
Damage Per Sortie
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744 80.1000
Field Captures
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1450 0.0000
Hit %
246 0.0643
1450 0.0000
Points
489 2678.1337
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I stayed :) , with some "time outs" changed my handle lots also , frustrating sometimes this game :D Hell I could hardly get the plane landed on the runway when I first started , hehe , and had be flying ( CFS1 one year ) ( FA 9 months ) ( EAW 2 months )
Remembe HBlair lol about me "trying" to land at A1 when it was at 10K . LMAO , little hard there spro ??? hehe , ya Heath it was a "squeak" :)
The game does barrel rolls , I use it , also you can "flare" on landing . I do "three pointers" in a Mustang most of the time , hehe .
Yep this is most likly as the above say , a little differant than your used to . BUT you should have started before version 1.04 :eek:
Hey if you havn't bought WW2online "yet" I got one to sell , it's opened but the cd case is still in the wraper and the key is unused . I was a beta tester , 30 bucks I pay shipping .
take care
spro
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Thanx Rev. Wotan: yeah but the 13 landings also tell you that I can land the damn thing on my own...or should do. Also remember that I was giving the game a good going over. Meaning I was suicidal/wreckless most of the time. :D
And the me262 and arado kill isnt bad, is it? :p Even though all flight sims have slight differences, once you can fly...you can fly. Landing is the same procedure in nearly all. I already know most speeds for lowering gear and flaps in WW2 fighters. For example, from the top of my head...a spit is: lower gear 160 mph and flaps 140 mph...Hurri is 110 for both flaps and gear..Take off is the same for all planes. I set the auto-takeoff off (because I like realism) this game like all others simulates torque effect from prop, so left rudder. blah blah blah. How many flight sims have you played?
Once you know how to ride a bike, you never forget. It's the FM that sometimes caught me out.
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I forgot...Airspro..will you ship to the UK for free? :D :D
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Last time I tried WW2OL 1.40 the H75 Hawk could loop FOREVER. While in the 109E you can turn with 90deg bank (full stick) FOREVER. Oh, I was forgetting, the Stuka can close dogfight and win against most of allied fighters. Great sim :rolleyes:
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hey Gatt...why do you insist on flying those funny planes? I mean the 202 and 205. :D Just wondering.... :D :D :D
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AS a recent griper, I can proudly announce, teamplay is alive and well on AH and with the knights. You jusy got to figre out who the leaders are, and follow them. Ripsnort is CONSTANTLY putting up missions, and there's massive teamwork to accomplish the goals his missionsput down. Other guys like BD5, Skurj, and my Squaddies are always looking for support. Just jump on the country channel, and ask what's needed. Check the Map room and look for missions.
There's plenty of teamwork to be found. You just need to look. I had the same gripe 2 weeks ago, and now I'm happy as a pig in...well....
Example. Little things like this. I was flying a b-26 escorting in a goon to A31 last night. We got jumped, but I did'nt see the 109. A hi cap fighter saw him, and called check 6 to me. I switched to tail gunner, and told the goon to get ahead of me. Bottom line, I splashed the bandit, and the goon driver was thrilled. I was happy I did my job. That's teamwork. Want more? You need to get into a squad, or join missions.
As for landing, I've flown almost every sim every made since the Commodore 64's FSII.
I don't know about you hot stick fighter jocks, but with full flaps, I can flare a B-26 10 ft off the runway, land on my main gear, and airbrake the plane down the runway.
This game takes YEARS to master. Hell, I'm flying 6 months, and I've yet to kill ANYTHING with a fighter.
My advice to you, if you want it, is to hang in for a few months. When your on, look me up. I'll wing with you. Or check for Ripsnort's missions, or BD5's little jobs (that always seem to get me killed! <G> )
There's many others, but if you hang in, I promise you, you'll be hooked.
Good luck, and good hunting.
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Adding a bit of thought here...
First, since WWIIO isn't yet released in Europe it is going to cost you $70 (the widely circulated cost for Europeans to import a copy themselves) to try it. I'd advise you at least take airspro up on his offer. I already sent mine to someone else or else I would send it to you.
Second, WWIIO isn't all bad. The atmosphere is cool, the tanks are cool, heck, even flying around (when you have acceptable frame rates) is cool. What isn't cool is the lack of supply, the low numbers of infantry, capricious spawn limits that change frequently, flight model, CTD's, high system requirements, bizaare gameplay concessions, etc. Much of this is in every MMOG, and you'll have to judge for yourself whether this combination of ingredients is palatable for you. I suspect if our flight model quirks are making you look around you'll still be looking once you get done there.
Third, I am a pilot in sims, and that is all I want to be. I don't have a problem really with the way WB or AH, CFS2, RB2, FD, A-10 Cuba!, DoA, or AW did/do things WRT flight dynamics. Each sim has a definite feel, but you get used to it. What they all have in common is a clear delineation of flight models amongst the respective aircraft. Not so in WWIIO. Further, the glaring omission of parasitic drag and energy bleed with control deflection jar me out of any suspension of disbelief. I used to hang my Stuka on knife-edge in turns with Spits because I knew I had better lift that way (real, huh?) and even though the pilot could try to yo-yo or spiral climb he had to run or die. In all my time in the Stuka I was shot down one (1) time, shooting down probably 200 Allieds in the process. I even went looking for dogfights. While fun for a while, it isn't the ultra-realistic experience it was billed to be. I had plenty of people tell me this is historically accurate, yet I can't manage to find a book that can verify it. I also have people tell me I just ran into inept pilots. Nope, the stupid places I put myself should have killed me over and over and didn't.
Finally, as far as teamwork is concerned it is the same wherever you go. Some guys work together, some don't. As said already, find the leaders and follow. In WWIIO there are the people that will lead and are good at it, and there are people screaming on the country channel about how we are all "blowing it", just like here. You won't find any difference, for sure.
Still and all you should try it yourself if you can avoid paying a huge lump of money to do it. By no means should you do a major upgrade to your computer just to play that game, like many players have, only to find it still doesn't perform acceptably or that you CTD 4-5 times an hour. Do not be sucked into believing the next patch is "going to fix all the problems and put in supply", because they've been saying that since June. Do not believe there are not people there who won't exploit every game hole known to man, because just like here they will. In short, you ultimately have to be happy, but don't think you are escaping when you go there. ;)
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Interesting Read (http://www5.playnet.com/bv/wwiiol/dg_message.jsp?group_id=8802&parent_id=896466&BV_SessionID=@@@@1079224776.1006614871@@@@&BV_EngineID=fadccihkeefkbefcnkcfkicgkf.0)
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Kieran,
What I got from reading that thread is that with all the controversy over FM's over there, no one seems to have done any serious testing. They are all just speculating about relative aircraft performance. One guy claims the Hurri climbs at 6000 fpm, and no one steps forward to confirm or rebut it. It tells me a lot about the people who play that game.
ra
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Originally posted by Muck:
This game takes YEARS to master. Hell, I'm flying 6 months, and I've yet to kill ANYTHING with a fighter.
Dang, I feel better now.
dh
(lerning to fli agin)
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True, dat. I stopped my testing at "Knife-edge from the deck to 20K in a Stuka". I didn't really need to do anything else. It's a little like "Shallow Hal" over there; if everyone is convinced they have the best in the biz, why should anyone ruin it for them? ;)
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
I forgot...Airspro..will you ship to the UK for free? :D :D
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Yes , Duck I don't roadkill . I read in your profile that you were from UK . When the cashers check clears I will send it np . I send stuff to airsid ( he lives near London )all the time plus others , it really ain't that heavy .
Would break down the box and ship in a padded enevolpe , ground . About 3 weeks at the most I think . Sometimes they ship the small stuff air even when you pay for only ground , then just about a week .
take care
spro
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Originally posted by Muck:
My advice to you, if you want it, is to hang in for a few months. When your on, look me up. I'll wing with you. Or check for Ripsnort's missions, or BD5's little jobs (that always seem to get me killed! <G> )
There's many others, but if you hang in, I promise you, you'll be hooked.
Good luck, and good hunting.
He he he....hey, desperate times call for desperate measures! Seems whenever we up buffs en masse, the cons come out of the woodwork!
Hey, at least I'm not the one making these mass goon raids all the time. Jacnife is addicted to them. To me, it may work, but some lucky 109 has got to be drooling uncontrollably...perhaps the reason they auger themselves in, just an overdoes of glee? :D
Cooperation is out there, just yell. I love a team effort. The lone fighter/buff thing is usually doomed to fail.
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Thanks for link to the WWII OL BBS. It's not like I'm Werner Von Braun......but methinks something amok at WWII OL. No real explanations.....might mean no one in design at the Rat to give one.
Hajo
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The more I see Hatch write about how much depth there is to the physics in WWIIO and just how really wonderful it has become since June the more I feel as though I'm listening to Jack F. Lybynyte down at "Shiny Car Emporium" hocking a four wheeled bucket of guano.
From AGW: "There are still small nagging problems here and there, but as you can see from that movie (ie. the one referenced in this topic), the worm has definitely turned and things are looking up! Hatch
http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/024939-3.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/024939-3.html)
I think the worm is not only turning, it's thriving in the bowels of the body Playnet. ;)
Westy
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i needed the laugh.
hatch obviously thinks that warbirds and ah both have the flight models wrong and not to realistic specs.
riight.
i'd love to give WWIOL's incredible flight physics model a chance but unfortunately I don't have a gig of ram coupled with a geforce3 and an athlon 1800+
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What does "I'm not a newbie at flight sims" mean? I sincerely cannot understand, because, the most of the gripe-issues you have posted are actually the very "newbie" issues. :confused:
When I first came here I also thought very simular things. I used to fly at FA2, where the flight model is very 'forgiving'. I had exactly the same problems with barrel rolls, turns, split-s, loops .. every sort of ACM, you name it. And in those days, I actually thought myself as a 'good pilot' ;). Not suggesting anything here, just commenting that you might be having same sort of confusions I went through.
It took me a lot of time to learn from the beginning again, start researching, reading.. looking up sources and archives etc, etc.. before i understood that this AH stuff was reasonable, and made sense.
Therefore , while I see that some of your points are valid(especially with team play observations :rolleyes: ), the gripes concerning flight issues, from my point of view, are pretty much typical misconceptions that the 'experienced' people get when they first enter AH. :)
1. Barrel Roll
"I just think they bleed way too much E too fast. I couldn't do a proper barrel roll (not aileron roll!!) because I would be at stalling speed by the time I entered the 2nd"
Though the concept of this maneuver is simple, it's actually not such an easy move to do for the beginner. Especially when it is done by planes that have bad rate of roll, or with planes that have bad handling at lower speeds. The radius of the BR is determined by the amount of rudder and stick you pull, and since this move wildly puts off the plane from level conditions, while simultaneously the plane has its rudders and elevators working, and the direction of is continuosly changing, loss of lots E is only natural.
In short, when you have to enter into two consecutive BRs, then it means that your BR is a failed move... and only a handful of pilots can do a fast, fairly sized barrel roll and still keep their E as much as they need.
And another factor is, BR is a moved designed to cause an overshoot. It is an effective defensive move against planes attempting high-speed passes from your behind. It is not a move designed to be used in a low speed turn fight - the sort of fight that is most frequent in AH. Nobody's gonna risk losing speed and control authority when they are defending themselves from a tight turnin Spitfire behind him.
2. Application of the Barrel Roll
"And...before you say...barrel roll, hah, easy...how come I never saw one person do it in combat? "
People who fly n BnZ fashion planes use it frequently, I use it frequently also.. and nobody does ACMs just like the way that it is described in 'the book'. I may have to attempt a BR, then change my mind and pull off other direction.. someone may fake it as a BR and level his plane with just an aileron roll and etc etc.. Complaining you don't see a BR in play is like complaining that the circle of the loop for many pilots is not a perfect one.
3. Split-S
"Split-S...this was nearly impossible at low speeds because I would stall once in inverted dive and the plane would roll making it impossible to stay inverted and I would get into a vicious circle of stlling, trying to stay inverted and gain speed but cant due to rolling over...etc..."
You enter a stall during Split-S when you pull the stick too much. Losing minimum altitude and maintaining a small, tight downward half-loop radius is not easy as it seems. Only skillful pilots can do that.
Besides, it seems you cannot reverse yourself out of a stall triggered spin... it could be the plane you are flying. P-51s, F4Us and sort(usually American planes) have very nasty stall characteristics.
4. Engine Sound
The engine noise would stay the same no matter the AoA, speed etc...
Engine sound is different when throttle setting is different, it does not differ by the altitude, or the speed. While the observer may seem to notice differences, this is due to the Doppler effect, and we DO have doppler effects here. Also, engine sound pitch is different with different throttle settings. (But you may not seem to notice a big difference, because the generic sounds HTC uses are admitabbly a bit "dull". try using custom sounds)
5. Landings
"the planes (fighters)were really hard to get under 100 mph..for example when landing, I like to flare at the bottom, like you normally would but I was always forced to land nose down because as soon as I flared the plane would start climbing instead of losing altitude and speed...it could never go below the critical speed to get it to stall ten feet above runway!!!"
That's because you are not doing it right. It starts climbing because your pitch is too high considering your airspeed. Your trim settings or flap settings could be wrong, too. There indeed are ways to 'easy land', but I also do it the 'historical' way. No problem whatsoever in my case...
Another reminder is, WWII planes weren't supposed to land with nose higher, at least not as much as modern planes. These types of landings were frequent when the triangular landing gears were in action. You are supposed to land a plane with two main gears and a tail wheel almost level, tail dropping a bit lower.. where the main gears would contact first, and after then the tail wheel would touch the ground.
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Hope to see you in the skies of AH MA soon.
ps) three consecutive edits.. doncha just hate it when you remember you left something out when you are reading it over? :D
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Kweassa what I meant by not being a newbie is that I can do all those perfectly on all my other flight sims, except this one. And, as soon as I buy a game, I put settings to most realistic and "ace" level all the time...and usually can fly well in a few minutes.
I didn't have probs with any maneuvers in AH except for the split-s and barrel roll. I know the BR was a defensive move, that's what I was trying to do. But as for lead or lag turns, I could do them perfectly and yo-yo's, no prob. Also I have no probs with landing in other sims, except this one where I couldn't get the plane under the stall speed, so I would get to 10 feet above runway, flare (expect to bleed speed due to high AoA and so going below stall speed) instead it would just start gaining alt and not lose much speed... :confused:
Other than that, I'm not a noob at flight sims cos I've been flying virtual planes for a long time..
:p
p.s. If I'm a crap pilot, what do you call the vets I shot down...or even the 3 squad members when they got on my six and I shot down 2 of em, and got the 3rd, but he also got me in the end. I can't be that bad... :D
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Not to pee in your Wheaties, but anyone can get shot down. ;)
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Ah.. that's exactly the impression I hoped you didn't get from my post.
I'm not mentioning you are a 'crap pilot', just that box sim or not, people(including many self described pilots) do tend to admit the quality of flight modelling in AH is the best of the breed.... and most of the WWII flight sims around, however realistic, falls somewhat short before AH.
I also played a lot of flight sims with WWII material, and in my case I flew them with full real options after my experience with AH(it was only after AH I got interested in fully realistic environment). All seemed very much easy after my AH experience.
As for shooting down experienced people.. I bet I've also shot down quite some numbers of pilots who are famous for their skills. It hardly means anything.
What kind of planes you use under which situation is also a very important factor. A 109 would be easier to fall under stall with a hard pull of stick at low speeds than a plane like zero .. trying to barrel roll a Typhoon into a large Barrel Roll radius would be a suicidal move and etc..
And as for the landings, the excessive speed just means you have miss judged your distance to the run way, the combat trim setting is probably on, and you are not using enough flaps.
Overall, it is more of a pilot skill issue since there are people who do it, the barrel rolls, the landings, the split-S and etc.
2 weeks, no matter how experienced, is not enough a time to find out how the planes in AH work. It's just enough time to let you taste what it might offer to you.
It might be a bit hasty judgement(since, the flight modelling of WWIIOL, compared to AH, would probably give you not a single taste of challenge) on your part.
.. but still, trying something else would not be so bad, and I respect your judgement. Not really anything much more to say about this matter.
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Not to pee in anyones beer (or rootbeer would be morre realistic) but why is AH the most realistic flight sim?
a) According to who?
b) None of you have had experience flying WW2 planes so you're all talking out yer backsides when you say this.
c) I don't care if HiTech has flown a mustang for an hour, I doubt he tested it to the outer edge of it's flight envelope. Yeah right, with such a rare aircraft I doubt they let him take too many risks.
d) If everyones so good, why was I always asking people to turn back and fight instead of run. :D :D :D
e) Why does AH have the monopoly on realism? Have they found the holy grail of FM data information in WW2? Have they attained/stolen information which was not viable to public viewing?
f) So you're actually saying that Microsoft, EA and all other such companies, with mega spending power, could not buy better resources/testers/data then a relatively tiny company?
Please, be realistic. :rolleyes:
The thing that puts me off are arrogant people, and I see plenty on this message board. Try being more humble for everyones sake. Nobody made you "judge of flight model realism" last night, so get off your high horses, or I'll continue laughing in your direction.
Flame away...I'm laughing at you too hard to even care. :D :D :D
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and something else I would like to add...every landing I have witnessed was nose down at varying angles and if you don't believe me why don't you try spending a bit of time watching landings in an airfield? I never saw one person land as it's supposed to be...all 3 wheels touch at the same time with nose on high AoA. Talking about fighters...stuff the buffs.
p.s. How about renaming this game...
Aces On Their High Horses
or...more accurately
Wannabe Aces On Their High Horses
or...better still!!
Wannabe Aces On Their High Chairs
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Tell you what, Duck, how 'bout you just do what you have to do. I thought you were rational. Sorry I was wrong. Should have read the header and realized it from the start... :rolleyes:
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...that "arrogant" thing is going to be very interesting on the other board. You're gonna fit in juuuuuuust fiiiiiiine over there.
Just wait, just wait.... hehehehehehehehe :D
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Man, some of you guys sure are defensive, even to the point of blatantly lying to the guy.
I like both games. If I want a quick fix, or the urge to fly late war birds, this is the place. If I want to take part in something bigger, put some thought into where I go fight and why to help my ground pounder friends move the map, WWIIOL is the place to go.
Kieren, you are just plum full of it. I just went and tested every one of the AC over there. I dont know what game you been flying, but over there, a stuka will only loop for a long time if you do not apply a lot of G's and get plenty of E back on the downside. Trim it with more up elev and it falls out of the sky. Just like the rest of them after different levels of wing AOA and time. Also tested the endless 90 degree bank? couldnt find it. You bank at true 90 degrees and hold it, you will find yourself making a decending spiral into the ground. And a sustained knife edge always ends up in a wingtip hitting and cartwheeling the AC. hehe just like it happens with my RC models.. :) (yea, expensive habit)
All he has to do to hook up with good folks in WWIIOL is to go spend a little time at the command webpages: soe.wwiionline.com, and okw.wwiionline.com, to find out what radio channels they are using for any given area. Or he can just ask someone in game.
Geeeez! I can understand a fear of bleeding customers and/or mindless devotion to your favorite game developers, but at least have the nads to tell it like it is. To the guys that offered him help and reason... <S>
GunFighter
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Sorry Gunfighter, you are wrong. I haven't played 1.4, true; to that point I had, and the knife-edge climb was there, and verified by more people than myself. Sorry if you cannot reproduce the same results. Lay it on the port wing, watch the artificial horizon, maintain approximately 180-200kph. Adjust speed with rudder application. Use elevator to maintain direction.
FWIW, I WAS trying to be helpful. I tried to give a balanced account of what he has to expect- tell me where I didn't. Did I say Stukas could loop forever? No. I said I beat planes consistently I should not have and I lived in situations where I shouldn't. I said I have tested and found some results. Care to tell our friend about how you can flip tanks with the Stuka's landing gear, or are you going to deny that's possible (in the game), too?
The problem here is if people keep blowing smoke saying "the game is real cool and will work on low-end systems with great frame rates and is real stable and the flight model is the best in the business" people get shocked when they see things for themselves. It isn't stable for everyone. It doesn't run well on most low-end rigs. The frame rates are terrible compared to other MMOG's. I tried to lay it out balanced, and warned him not to spend a load of cash to get it to work. I stand on that advice to any newbie looking at the game.
Slavish devotion to developers? Hey, I paid my $40 to play. I gave it a chance. I also watched how the developers there handled the crowd and the problems associated with the code- Hatch's post with a link to an overclocker's page is a true gem. Sorry, I gave them my trust at first but they blew it. Now I only believe results, and they haven't produced anything tangible IMHO. Promises, nothing more. Trivia question: How many revisions have been preceded by the boast "We've found the CTD problem and it's been squashed!". Second question: how many times has this been true? Answers at the end of the post.
Anyone that talks about getting into that game should be warned they are entering a veritable hornet's nest of problems. Care to deny that, too? 30,000 sold first day, 10,000 subscribers now, what does that tell you?
Some guys play it and are having fun, and that's good. If enough like it and stay it may even make it. I DON'T think the way to get people in there and staying is to lie to them about "how great it is". The only thing that game has going for it is potential, and that isn't at this point being realized.
Yes, approximately 200 Allieds shot down by my Stuka vs. one air-to-air death.
#1 Every Patch #2 Never :)
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BTW, thanks for the concern for my 'nads. :p
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So it was a troll all along?
This one is the BEST one though:
...I can do all those perfectly on all my other flight sims, EXCEPT THIS ONE . And, as soon as I buy a game, I put settings to most realistic and "ace" level all the time...and usually can fly well in a few minutes.
Gotta love that one. :D
<swims off>
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No, it wasn't a troll I just find it really arrogant that people on this forum consider anyone who can't complete a cetain maneuver as being "not experienced enough" or crap. Ok, so I can do it in 10 flight sims but not on the high and mighty AH so it must be that I'm crap and all those flight sims have botched FM. How arrogant is that??
More likely this game has some quirks in the FM's and you've all just got used to it and compensated for it. How about that?
Why should I eat humble pie and say "yeah I'm not experienced and I'm crap" when people are so big headed and one-sided, biased and wearing blinkers, on here??
And who says you're right and I'm wrong anyway?
Bah..who gives a crap?
I appreciate the help by the people who were nice on, but to the others...all I have to say is that it seems likely to me that most of you hate WW2Online simply because you cannot get it to run on your systems. Seems like it anyway. Anyhoo, how can you compare WW2Online with this game when that one has been out for far less and is far more ambitious then this one? Beats me.
Enjoy your game...and see you over the skies of France!
:p :D :p :D :p :)
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Too bad, I think most people wanted to help ya but it looks like another 14 year old is headed over to WWIIOL.
WWIIOL is a tank sim. Not a flight sim. When they make it more of a realistic flight sim where people aren't successfully dogfighting in Ju-87s, then maybe I'll pick it up. I saw it on someone elses machine and I wasn't impressed enough to send my $40 their way when I see hitech and crew working a hell of a lot harder on their product.
All of the communities are 'arrogant' about their games.. well, it doesn't seem that the WWIIOL crowd is. More of em are squeaking about how bad CRS is. :eek:
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Never Mind I am too tired.
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This is Frenchy posting under Nomde's account :cool:
Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
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1) Would have liked to see more team play.
2) People calling non-existent 6 calls...
3) Not enough info on who wins the war.
4) The flight model. Although in general good,
5) The engine noise would stay the same
6) Something else about the
I don't really share your experience:
1) I tend to agree.
2) True, it happens, but I don't really mind.
3) There is a message who tells who won the war in the text chanel, u may have missed it.
4) Not trying to show off but I'm a real life pilot and I like the flight model a lot here. I can do all the ACM manoeuver that you describe. I can do barrel rolls in a P47-D30 even at 100IAS.
5) The engine noise is not changing with airspeed, why should it? I think that most of those planes (maybe all) have a constant speed propeller, meaning that it will always spin at the same airspeed whatever ur speed. Earing the planes screaming in dives is mostly an holliwood concept for "dramatisation".
6) The landing, u can flare, bleed ur E, and 3 point landing. In any AH plane, I usually land on the tail wheel first because I bleed my E to the max while flaring ...eckk :) I can provide the films if u want.
FlyingDuck, I think you didn't had enought experience to appreciate AH assets yet. Fly it more, if u want, I can spend some time with u in the training arena to help. Look for Frenchy Online.
Cheers.
Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy6.jpg)
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Dude, if your of the opinion that these FMs dont hold enough E than your just a babe in the woods.
These FMs hold WAY TOO MUCH E!
The only other thing I might add is this:
Just accept the fact that whne you come into the arenas your already dead. Just work your way up from there and everything will be ok.
(http://www.13thtas.com/yeagersig.jpg)
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Usually when Skernsk posts, I just take it as a unnecessary distraction from reading a shampoo bottle, and stare at the towel rack.
See the above obvious reaction itinerary Kerian. You’ll be miles ahead.
WWIIOL failed, and Im sorry to see it.
I just wish they would say so and stop the sad email promotions. They pry using my $40 to do so, and I see that as pretty toejamty.
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Think about it...
In the search for realism, is it more likely that a game that allows you to fly like an ace "in a few minutes" is more <ahem, I HATE to use this word> "realistic" than a game that takes quite a bit of practice before you become proficient?
:D
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Everyone should have seen this was a train wreck in progress. Even if the first post was still miles out from impact ;)
And I think Gunfighter is Hatch :eek: ;)
Westy
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Creamo-
Yup, you're right. The teacher in me always keeps trying long beyond the point I should stop. Sad thing is I told him exactly what I tell anyone that picks that box up at any retail outlet I'm in. Friendly advice that is unsolicited is not welcome, I guess.
Toad-
Lucid as always.
O'Westy-
Hehe, that makes total sense now! All we need is the "they are doing something they believe in" speech and another reference to their "balls". Which reminds me, a lot of those guys have an unhealthy obsession with CRS's balls. Talk about slavish devotion to developers! :eek:
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Sad thing is I told him exactly what I tell anyone that picks that box up at any retail outlet I'm in. Friendly advice that is unsolicited is not welcome, I guess.
I do that also , I think "they" think I am nuts most times :D
Got say that HOOK hurt :eek:
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One item: your complaint about your landing flare causing gain in altitude.
This is not a "bad" thing. Most of these planes need a higher landing speed. They were not meant to be 3 point landed. The landing flare should be relatively flat and the plane brought down on the main gear. A bounce is relatively normal. A 3 point, full stall landing will just get you a ground loop and possible death.
Full Flaps, powered approach, keep your landing flare "flat", use all the runway.
Terror
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Terror, they were meant to be three point landings.
You need the tail wheel down to steer the thing, and you most certainly would want to catch the wire on a CV with the hook, not the main wheels.
Having said that, I don't see a problem with landing in a flared attitude in AH.
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It's all in the timing, fellas. You can 3-point, but if you flare too soon or at too high of airspeed bad things can happen. You can fly it right onto the runway, or you can stall right on the runway. More than one way to skin a cat...
I am an ultralight pilot with some stick time in light aircraft, so I am not the expert that people like Toad or Citabria (people who do it for a living) are- still I have enough experience to see there are situations where one type of landing would be preferred over another. Be thankful we don't have surface winds modelled- I can see some crosswind landings now in my mind's eye. ;)
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I think you'll find that most tailwheel flyers are at least familiar with both the three-point and the main wheel landing techniques.
There's a time and a place for both, IMO.
Of course, everybody seems to have their own opinion on when the exact correct time and place for each would be.
Generally speaking, with higher crosswinds or gusty conditions, I much prefer a wheel landing. However, be advised, you can easily start a heated discussion on this topic in any pilot lounge. ;)
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Originally posted by Toad:
Think about it...
In the search for realism, is it more likely that a game that allows you to fly like an ace "in a few minutes" is more <ahem, I HATE to use this word> "realistic" than a game that takes quite a bit of practice before you become proficient?
:D
Well Toady, think it through. My first flight sim I played years ago, I was crap and couldn't even take off. The second one I played I was better because, yes, it was different from the first, but had a lot of similarities. And so on. So now, if I buy a new flight sim, considering the makers and developers made a decent flight model, I'll be able to fly it because, how many ways are there you can make an accurate flight model? Not many. It's either accurate or it isn't.
But, then you get a game which is similar in most respects but has some really strange happenings in certain situations.
It's the same with driving a car. I've driving loads of different cars. Sporty, lux, high powered or slow diesel sh*t bucket...doesn't matter. I can drive it well after a few minutes. But, give me a car with dodgy steering and i'll never get used to it...unless I really take it for a long drive.
:p
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A good scientist takes the time to do proper research before posting definitive findings. I spent five months formulating my opinion on the other sim. You've spent two weeks. Who has blinders on?
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
...give me a car with dodgy steering and i'll never get used to it...unless I really take it for a long drive.
Drive a car with dodgy steering for 10 years then jump into one with good steering. I guarantee you'll have problems driving it.
Food for thought hmmm?
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AK Dejavu...the speeds I'm talking about are anywhere from 150 mph to 180. I may be mistaken, but I thought split-s's were slow speed maneuvers anyway? The point is too change to opposite direction quickly, not to get to sea level. No?
Maybe you are thinking immelman? Split-s goes down.. you accelerate through it... it is a slower way to reverse. An immelman is faster, though you are slower after the maneuver.
As for the rest of your stuff.. you are simply trolling for reaction now. I particularly like your car driving analogy. I could drive virtually any car and actually think I knew how it handled... until I needed to push it to the extreme. That takes practice regardless. Its not the similarities that matter... its the differences.
I strongly suggest you move back to all those other sims that musta had it right. Time to real in the line and head back to the place where you don't hide under anonymity.
AKDejaVu
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Kieran...not only am I not a "good scientist" but...I'm not even a scientist!! I never said I was...
:D
AKdejavu...no...i know the difference between an Imm and a split-s, thanx.
You don't sound like a very good car driver. I can master a car to the extreme (which is the only way I drive anyway :D ) about 5 minutes after I jump in. But that's just me...I dunno.
I strongly suggest you move back to all those other sims that musta had it right. Time to real in the line and head back to the place where you don't hide under anonymity.
AKDejaVu
What the hell are you talking about? Are you slightly paranoid by any chance?
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. I can master a car to the extreme (which is the only way I drive anyway ) about 5 minutes after I jump in. But that's just me...I dunno.
LOL! OK.. once you get your driver's license, you'll realize just how silly this comment is.
The only thing I believe you have mastered in your lifetime is baiting.
AKDejaVu
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I defer to the vastly superior aviation knowledge and experience of FDSS.
This guy obviously knows what he's talking about.
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A Split-S and an Immelman, two of the most basic air combat manuevers invented in the days of wing-warping monoplanes using 80HP LeRhone engines, can be done in any air combat game. That ranges from way back when in the most basic of air combat games: 1942: BattleHawks to the most modern of air combat games that push the envelope towards "simulation".
A split-S is going forward at anywhere from 140MPH to 300MPH, rolling inverted and easing back on the stick until you are pointed opposite the direction you were traveling but a couple hundred feet lower than you were before.
An Immelman is flying forward at anywhere from 250MPH to as fast as you can go, pulling back on the stick into a half loop so that you are now traveling the opposite direction you were before but a couple hundred feet higher. You must now roll your plane right side up.
Both of these simple manuevers can be completed in Aces High. You are either pulling the aircraft into a stall because you are pulling too hard on the stick (believe it or not, this is the way real aircraft work) or you are too low on speed to complete the Immelman.
As for the Split-S, if you can not complete one of those without stalling out or gaining any speed, then yes you are doing something wrong.
As for the car analogy, I'd like to see you jump from driving an automatic all your life into a stick without any experience.
I guarantee you it will take more than 5 minutes for you to get accustomed to the gear thresholds and the sensitivity of the clutch.
Don't expect to be able to yank your joystick to the maximum of the pitch axis without stalling out the planes. That might work in simpler games, such as Fighter Ace, Screamin Demons Over Europe, European Air War, or any of the other simpler boxed air combat games, but it doesn't work with games that are focused on the accuracy of the portrayal of flight- such as WarBirds, Aces High, or Il-2.
The rest of the games out there are child's play.
-SW
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FDSS, why don't you just ask somebody to help you out in the training arena or in a H2H session instead of pursuing this flaming fest.
The problem is not of other players, it's yours and you will have to work on it or doen't bother about AH anymore, ;)
Help has been offered, take it or leave it.
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"I can drive any car to it's extreme in 5 minutes" "I'm good at flight sims" "I can't do a barrel roll in AH"
Hey.. some of these guys have a sense of humor.
lazs
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if you werked half as hard on flying as you are doing in this thread you may have accomplished something in 2 weeks.
You've spent 2 weeks in this thread telling us your leaving.
shhhhhhhshhhhhhhhh go already.
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How about putting some damn birds in this game? :mad: It would make it more realistic and give another element to flight. Why do they put sheeeep and forget about the birds??? :confused:
[ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]
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Really!
And where's the damn pilot relief tube?
:rolleyes:
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there isn't one, just open the canopy and stick it out...thats understandable... :rolleyes:
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<best micheal Palin voice>...'HES HAVING A GO AT THE BIRDS NOW'
'hes making it up as he goes along!' :D
btw I doubt youve driven more than 10 types of car in your lifetime unless you work in a garage or race cars for a living.So you can drive a car to the extreme in 5 minutes?
ever thought of going for the world rally championship?
to be honest after reading all the crap you have been spurting I suspect you dont know what you are talking about.
I too can fly any boxed sim on 'ace' levels with realistic flight mode and it took me ages to get to grips with AH.For gods sake youve been here 2 weeks and you want to master a game thats full of human controlled aircraft? some of us have been here 2 years and are basically more experienced in AH.
The longer you play the better you get if you bother to learn the principals of fighter combat and apply them.No other sim I've played has given me even a fraction of the challenge AH has.
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Hazed...on a serious note, as you're in the same time zone as me, do you play many scenarios? Cos I get the impression that us Europeans have to wake up at ridiculous hours to play. Are there scenarios us anglo-saxons can play at a decent time?
btw...It's not that hard driving many cars. Just find showrooms and take some for a test drive...or hire a car :D
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Fly;
I think you're going to find it a tough decision between the two. If you were talking about WWII Online at release, you'd probably be taking the box back to the store within 2 days.
But the game has come a long way since release. What it lacks is stability, population, and a decent communications system. The lack of teamwork is more endemic in WWII Online because under numerous conditions it is just impossible to communicate with the guy 2 feet from you.
However, the gameplay, the features, the detail and the fact that a new front end for spawning etc is due out soon, makes things seem hopeful for WWII Online.
WWII Online has great potential. The question is whether it will ever be realised or not...
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Exactly right. Those are make-or-break points for most, and they broke for me. No hard feelings on those that stay, just want to be straight with people talking about trying it. You have been fair, more than most that enjoy the other game.
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Wow....a great start that degenerated to garbage.
I'd agree with the majority of the posters here...your at the front end of a steep learning curve. If you stick it out, you'll love it...if you choose to blame your shortcomings on the game you'll simply lose out in the long run. All the things you cant do are easily done...no ones brought trim at all (unless I missed it)...combat trim can cause issues on quick change of speed manv...thats why most vets (not all) trim manually.
As for realism...there are a lot of pilots flying this game...many feel its pretty good. Before you bash it go spens some coin on one of the "air combat" rides...I found I could give the instructers a pretty good run for my money...not quite the same...since the G's aren't modeled...but everything (down to the spins) were reasonalby close...course its just plain different for real.
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hmmm, well, you've barely been here two weeks and you're making some interesting claims.
Everyone here knows what I use the Tiffie for... BnZ - whats the most common manoevre I see used against me by the better pilots? Barrell Rolls and Scissors. I see it ALL THE TIME.
How do I land my tiffie most of the time? 3 pointers is how. I don't remember the last time I had to push the nose down to land. Hell I even put a 262 down on a CV, try that as a nose down landing - you wouldn't stop in time. If you can't land like this you've got some serious issues.
As for the realism, well not too long ago HTC tweaked the roll rate in the tiffie. So I decided to do some research, and guess what - every piece of material I could find reinforced the AH peformance of the tiffie, roll rate, dive characteristics, zoom capabilities, gun platform stability etc. HTC nailed it. I don't know bout the rest of the aircraft but I can tell you the AH tiffie is what real Tiffie pilots said a tiffie was. That says to me HTC know what they're doing.
If people are 'running' - get a faster plane. Only a moron expects people to fly a P51, 109G10, or 262 even like Spit. If a BnZer decides to extend or even disengage, thats his perogative, thats why they fly the fast planes. If you insist on flying a turner don't expect us to engage in a turnfight just because you want it that way.
MS/EA etc deliberately go for simplified FMs, its how you get box sales. The average AH punter is a dead keen simmer, not your average CFS/Flight Sim 2002 player. If MS FMs are so toejam hot why are the 'realism' patches available for CFS2?
Humble? Maybe you should read your own posts. Its pretty obvious you ARE a "noob" when you can't perform a simple split-S in a spit. My god thats the easiest of manoevres. Saying how you're so experienced contradicts the fact you can't complete simple manoevres. Reading between the lines its obvious you're ham-fisted and are trying to blame this on AH.
Whos laughing at who? I'm laughing at the dweeb who can't perform a barrel roll, split S, or land. My god I've seen guys who haven't played as many sims as you claim you have and can perform these moves easily within the two weeks. LOL, what a loser.
Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Not to pee in anyones beer (or rootbeer would be morre realistic) but why is AH the most realistic flight sim?
a) According to who?
b) None of you have had experience flying WW2 planes so you're all talking out yer backsides when you say this.
c) I don't care if HiTech has flown a mustang for an hour, I doubt he tested it to the outer edge of it's flight envelope. Yeah right, with such a rare aircraft I doubt they let him take too many risks.
d) If everyones so good, why was I always asking people to turn back and fight instead of run. :D :D :D
e) Why does AH have the monopoly on realism? Have they found the holy grail of FM data information in WW2? Have they attained/stolen information which was not viable to public viewing?
f) So you're actually saying that Microsoft, EA and all other such companies, with mega spending power, could not buy better resources/testers/data then a relatively tiny company?
Please, be realistic. :rolleyes:
The thing that puts me off are arrogant people, and I see plenty on this message board. Try being more humble for everyones sake. Nobody made you "judge of flight model realism" last night, so get off your high horses, or I'll continue laughing in your direction.
Flame away...I'm laughing at you too hard to even care. :D :D :D
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I'd suggest not giving up on AH yet. I tried WWII Online and was very disappointed on their "realistic" flight models. This takes some getting used to, but once you do it's actually easier than games like Fighter Ace and Airwarrior. The options it presents makes combat much more rewarding.
And don't worry about the egocentrics within the game. I'm sure once us newbies get proficient, we'll develop ego's of our own and fit right in.
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Asta la vist SDSW... :cool: "How about a light?".. :D
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Dudewhen i first tried Aces High i wasnt to happy wi5th the way the aircraft handeld, and after my 2 weeks gave up, i loved the resst just not the flight model.
A month or two later i got so fed up with Warbirds (which i ws with for years) and the constant 109 A6M dogfights that i decided to bit the bullete and enrole on Aces high, after a month of frustration i finally gfot it and eveything clicked, now i love Aces High, this game you just have to get used to.
Im not sure if its a accurate flight model (Never owned a spitfire) but once youget used tro the flight model, its all damn fine fun.
Also WWIIonline in my opinion is darn cool, if your rig can hadle it with decent frame rates its one hell of a game, and for thos that bang on about WWIIonline community is lacking, well the server can hold about 3500 i think, last time i logged on there we had 35% full, hmm thats over a thousadn online at once, Aceshigh has 270, Aces high is still alive and kicking and so is WWIIonline, youll either love igt or hate it.
Personaly i love both games for diffrent reasons.
Tryy WWII and come back and give Aces high a good longh bash, give it a month of effort. takes getting used to but after that its fun ~!!!!!
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I want to see the proof. I want to see film of you not doing a barrel roll.
Hooligan
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
4) The flight model. Although in general good, I just think they bleed way too much E too fast. <deletia>
6) Something else about the flight model...the planes (fighters)were really hard to get under 100 mph..for example when landing, I like to flare at the bottom,
Just something for you to think about Duck.
If the flight model bleeds E too fast, why are you having trouble gettting your airspeed under 100mph?
If you line your approach up, drop some flaps, drop your gear (all at appropriate airspeeds), yep, you can easily stall it right onto the runway. It's the best way to land a hog. In a hog, I try to touch down around around 90 mph.
curly
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100 i love to count! hahahaha
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AKCurly...that's why I thought maybe the FM had some quirks. Cos I can't complete a split-s through rapid E bleed but I can't bleed E when trying to land at extremely low speeds. I didn't say the FM was way off or anything like that. I just said it may have some quirks. That's all.
Well, I've come to a decision about WW2Online. I've been reading their forum for a while now, and I read recently something worrying about CRS lay-offs. So I decided I'm gonna wait for the UK release...because you never know. And who knows when that will be. :mad: :( So I might play this for a while.
Hooligan..I will show you what I mean. I'll do a few attempted split-s and an attempted proper landing. Just give me some time to do it, cos I'm a bit busy now.
BTW, I know you're only asking so you can laugh at me. But I'm game :(
I would like to see how many of you have taken on a squad of 3 planes, so it was a small tight formation...they attacked me and were all on my six and I managed too shoot down 2 and the 3rd got me bad, but I was still able to shoot him down, but I crashed later. They were all 1 squad, but can't remember the name of it. I remember the planes though..it was a 109, a 202 and something else....anyone know who flies them in a squad? Own up if it was you!!! Is that flying or is that flying? :cool:
No wonder they run away from me... :D :D
Am I the best or what? ;)
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You're not gone yet?
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Piece of advice if you're gonna stay Dead Duck Roasted Swan:
Keep the criticism of the flight model on the back burner until you learn how to get off the bottom of the food chain, ok?
2 weeks is nowhere near long enough to accurately judge the FM, especially if you can't do maneuvers the rest of us use repeatedly. Might be worth keeping that in mind, especially if you're gonna troll the boards.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
Humble? Maybe you should read your own posts. Its pretty obvious you ARE a "noob" when you can't perform a simple split-S in a spit. My god thats the easiest of manoevres. Saying how you're so experienced contradicts the fact you can't complete simple manoevres. Reading between the lines its obvious you're ham-fisted and are trying to blame this on AH.
Vulcan
I'm not sure if I can't write...or you can't read :D
I never indicated that I have any problem with any of the moves in question. Or made any comments on my level of proficiency...however be more than happy to match tiffies...or any other plane...with you.
Not from a "I'll show you"...but simply as a little fun...win or lose most folks find me a decent challenge 1 vs 1.
The whole thrust of my post was/is simple...the FM's are all pretty good and that the over quality of the players is quite high. It's a big step up from his previous set up expectations.
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I think your bait's gone bad :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by humble:
Vulcan...
Pretty sure that Vulcan was posting about Dead Duck telling the rest of the BBS to be humble, not you personally... :D
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What do you fly, Duck? If I wanted to escape you it should be a simple matter of doing a barrel roll or split-S. Instant proximity kill for me! :D
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I'm tempted to write some names down and hunt you in AH MA...ambush you when you leatst expext it. Pop out of that mountain at full revs and...BAM! Take you out in a 10 second burst of hispano.
Fly write into that blind spot of your until I'm so close, I can read your thoughts. You'll be having nightmares about me. Everytime you hear the words "sitting swan" you'll break out in a panic attack and check your 6. :eek: :eek:
Be afraid...be. very. afraid! :mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Be afraid...be. very. afraid! :mad: :mad:
Would you like to join my squad?
:cool:
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Take you out in a 10 second burst of hispano.
10 second burst of Hispano?! You must be one hell of a marksmen :D Spray and pray comes to mind.
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Originally posted by DeadDuckRoastedSwan:
Be afraid...be. very. afraid!
Of you? One split-S and you won't be on my 6 anymore LOL. Run along now, I think your mommy is calling you to go to bed... Need your rest if you're gonna grow up and be a big bad fighter pilot.
BTW, feel free to hunt me down in the MA, I like my prey to come to me. Remember, makos are further up the food chain than poultry. ;)
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Originally posted by Darth Dweebus Maximus Vader:
Would you like to join my squad?
:cool:
sure, what sort of squad is it?
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Actually, the more I read the more I think of "The Crying Game".
BTW, how do you feel about the validity of high yo-yo's, hammerheads, and rope-a-dopes? ;)
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
sure, what sort of squad is it?
You know, a squad. We will roolz the skies of AH.
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Originally posted by Kieran:
BTW, how do you feel about the validity of high yo-yo's,
Well, if you flip a yoyo to high it might hit you on the head if you dont control the string just right.
Originally posted by Kieran:
hammerheads,
Isnt that the family of that Blue Mako dude?
Originally posted by Kieran:
and rope-a-dopes? ;)
Dood, check the name of the game. This aint "Cowboys High" geez.
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actually Dart Dweeb...those are all flight moves.
High Yo-Yo is very useful to keep with your opponent if you are going too fast and he is banking sharp with less speed. Do a high to bleed e or a low to gain e.
Hammerhead is useless. Isn't that a vertical zoom...stall at the top and reverse down for a bit with nose vertical? Good aerobatic move, but poor combat move.
Rope-a-dope is the way to climb vertical while spinning round, I think...
am I right? these were all from the top of my head
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Okay, enough is enough. In order to prove to our fair-feathered friend that the AH model is, if anything, screwed up in exactly the opposite way he believes, I've made a film demonstrating a number of the moves he specifically mentions as being impossible to do in Aces High.
The catch? I do them in a C-47. Fear its split-sing capabilities!
Grab it here (http://www.mcnoldy.com/ACM.zip).
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
actually Dart Dweeb...
How 'bout a little respect for your commander. Please refer to me as Darth Dweebus Maximus Vader. Thank you. KP duty for ya if this keeps up. The emperor wont be happy.
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I see you're still impersonating a bad guy. There can be only one you fool :rolleyes:
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I'm tempted to write some names down and hunt you in AH MA...ambush you when you leatst expext it. Pop out of that mountain at full revs and...BAM! Take you out in a 10 second burst of hispano.
Fly write into that blind spot of your until I'm so close, I can read your thoughts. You'll be having nightmares about me. Everytime you hear the words "sitting swan" you'll break out in a panic attack and check your 6.
Seems to me I'd just have to do a split-s and wait for the maneuver kill to be awarded.
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I beat ya to that one, Mr. Hanky! Look up the list a bit... ;)
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Originally posted by Darth Vader:
There can be only one fool :rolleyes:
Ok, you win
:p
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Everytime you hear the words "sitting swan" you'll break out in a panic attack and check your 6.
Only if I'm in the shower, only if I'm in the shower...
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Humble you IDJIOT - I wasn't talking about YOU I was talking about FlyingF**kSittingWhatevers reference to being humble :)
Ya need to change ya handle mate!
Originally posted by humble:
Vulcan
I'm not sure if I can't write...or you can't read :D
I never indicated that I have any problem with any of the moves in question. Or made any comments on my level of proficiency...however be more than happy to match tiffies...or any other plane...with you.
Not from a "I'll show you"...but simply as a little fun...win or lose most folks find me a decent challenge 1 vs 1.
The whole thrust of my post was/is simple...the FM's are all pretty good and that the over quality of the players is quite high. It's a big step up from his previous set up expectations.
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125.
125 WHAT? you might ask..
Posts.
I posted inna thread that has 125 freakin posts.
Gawd, where to I get my tard button?
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Considering I got about 60 kills on my first two week free tour, don't you think I'm probably the best rookie ever and when I get to grips and learn to do the split-s that whole squads will be running as soon as they spot me? I think so. :p
There is no need to reply. Your silence will confirm it. Thank-you for your cooperation. :cool: :cool: ;)
p.s. to make it fair on everyone else, i'll fight with my undercarruage down next time I'm in the MA.
:D
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]
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I dont like the look were this is going.
But Good Read! :)
my 0.00000000000000000002 Cents
( It takes time, it takes people, it takes a lot of fun, it takes listening to people and not, it takes learning before u get it correct. )
you can't really see how good Aces High Graphics, game play and also Flight Modeling is until u spent more than 3 months playing with a Squad and learning.
I love the game because of the community, nothink more nothink less.
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Originally posted by O'Westy:
Everyone should have seen this was a train wreck in progress. Even if the first post was still miles out from impact ;)
And I think Gunfighter is Hatch :eek: ;)
Westy
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If it is tell him he's an even worse game designer than he was as a PR flack. Him and that whole frickin' Judy Garland "I've got a 3d game engine and you dad has a barn let's put on a game" bunch at CRS.
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Originally posted by DeadDuckRoastedSwan:
Considering I got about 60 kills on my first two week free tour, don't you think I'm probably the best rookie ever...
hmmm your free 2 weeks (as shown in the AH score pages which anyone can look at)...
Tour 22:
tempest9 has 26 kills, 9 assists
bailed 10, ditched 10, captured 21, death 89.
So (not including ship gunner kills) you shot down 26 (can't see 60 kills anywhere here :confused: ) but were killed/crashed/ditched/bailed/captured 130 times. Giving you the whopping k/d ratio of 0.2.
Sounds to me like you're gonna set this game on fire... :rolleyes:
Free advice, you may take it or leave it:
Stop the empty bragging and start learning how to play the game. There are a lot of people in here that will help you with everything from setting up your machine to ACM... if you approach it correctly. Bragging, trolling and rubbishing flight models that you have no understanding of will not gain you their support.
I suggest you take a deep breath, admit to yourself that you are not the best AH pilot in the world, realise though that people here are willing to help you learn to be, then leave this thread and start another saying how much you enjoy playing AH and how much you look forward to getting to know everyone/getting better at the game/etc etc. We all did this at one stage... (well most of us anyway).
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Blue Mako ]
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That's good advice, Mako. Don't think it will happen, though. Some enjoy doing, others enjoy talking about doing.
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Just want to add my 0.02 to this post.
Alot of you guys are slagging WW2 Online. Hopefully those who have done so have actually tried it.
I began playing WW2OL from the beginning and had some great times. But, there were some very trying times with the game also - head shaking bug, CTD issues etc. For the most part the tech guys have solved many of the issues with the game, but it is still far from perfect. I was somewhat pissed off when I first started playing the game because it was simply not what was advertised...they released the game in essentially a beta format most likely due to financial duress. This caused them to lose alot of good people who would not condone the release of an unfinnished product. Conceptually the idea for WW2OL is brilliant and I hope they manage to stay afloat...but there is still a long hard road ahead.
My advice with respect to WW2OL is this:
If you want to fly...stay with Aces High. The flight model is terrible in WW@OL.
If you want to have some awesome tank and infantry battles try WW2OL...but be advised...BUY LOTS OF RAM and make sure you exceed the minimum requirements on the game box 10 fold. Do not expect any Tech support and use the message boards as much as possible when you have difficulty.
Players are very willing to try and help there...Avondell, Bushman etc. are a couple of names you can drop. Just be careful not to "troll" too much...you will become very unpopular there in a hurry.
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[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Curval ]
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"i'll fight with my undercarruage down next time I'm in the MA."
LOL. From what Blue Mako showed I'd have to say you have been already.
Westy
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
Humble you IDJIOT - I wasn't talking about YOU I was talking about FlyingF**kSittingWhatevers reference to being humble :)
Ya need to change ya handle mate!
LOL...posted reply without writing anything...guess I forgot option 3...I can't read
:cool: :rolleyes:
[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: humble ]
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Friend FDSS, this has been pointed out very very very many times, and you are still repeating the very things which a lot of pilots in AH, including me, have already answered time and time again.
Cos I can't complete a split-s through rapid E bleed
A Split-S is an E-gaining move. It is not supposed to BE an E-bleeding move. One needs to bleed E during a Split-S when he needs to keep the radius of the half-loop as tight as possible, and naturally, this means the pitch of the plane is rapidly changing. Rapid change of the pitch - so to say, the angle-of-attack(ever hear this word?) - MOST NATURALLY TENDS to bring the plane into danger of stalling. You bleed E seriously as you pull a tight loop... if this doesn't result in a stall than that is a "Quirk".
I can't bleed E when trying to land at extremely low speeds.
People bleed E to land. All planes of this era were supposed to land by the main gears touching first, then the tail gear. They land almost level, with the tails side a little but lower. After the main gears contact, do a shallow and gentle bounce, then the main gears and tail gears re-contact the ground almost simultaneously. If you are expecting the plane to do a modern landing style where the nose is much higher than the tail, you are mistaken. There is a fact which confirms this: the 109G2 models were notorious of its main gears snapping under landing pressure. Most incidences of landing crashes were due to main gear failure after first contact - which means, hitorically, main landing gears touched the ground first.
This is getting damn tired.
Record the problems you are having and post it, and I'm sure most of the people here will have a lot to say about what you are doing wrong.
[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Kweassa ]
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People bleed E to land. All planes of this era were supposed to land by the main gears touching first, then the tail gear.
Wrong KWEASSA. Try reading a book or flight manual on 2nd world war planes. They were supposed to land with the "3 pointer" technique, or in simpler terms ALL 3 WHEELS touching at the same time. Where did you read that rubbish you're saying?
. After the main gears contact, do a shallow and gentle bounce...
HAHAHA... how ridiculous. A bounce is never a good thing on landing!!! Any landing with a bounce is a half crash.
Seeing this information is very wrong, I'll disregard anything you said in the post.
Have a nice day. :rolleyes:
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FlyingDuckSittingSwan, lighten up or stop trying to draw attention.
[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Qnm ]
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FDSS –
Sorry to hear that you’re not staying. Have you tried some of the other sims? I have, and I think AH is one of the best. I am a 4 year veteran of Warbirds, but I don’t like the direction in which that has gone in the past year or so. I looked at WW2OL (boxed version) but that seems to feature only the Spit and 109 planes, and is mostly a general warfare game. I had a look at IL2 – dead impressive! But I wanted a sim with a wider plane set. So I came here.
I agree with a couple of negative points that have been raised: Unlike WB (as it was in 1998), in AH there seems to be no option to just hook up with a few guys who happen to be nearby and fly as an unofficial squad. The team spirit is not quite there (no 6-calls for me last night :( ) so membership of a squad is on my list of things to sort out soon.
The other negative point concerns the Training Arena(s). I have not been in there myself, but was told by another WB player who visited last week that the “trainer” was not helpful. I think it transpired that the guy was not a trainer at all. All he did was to set my friend up into positions in which he could kill him. After dying about 6 such deaths, my friend quit in disgust. This is very damaging for Aces High, as a potential customer has been lost. Perhaps the training arenas should be locked, unless an official trainer is present.
Read my post about the ten things I like about AH.
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Now i`ve read this thread from the very beginning.And,,,crying schmuck spitting sane
you simply won`t get it,people in here wants to give you a helping hand(mostofthem),and you keep acting like a jerk.
But to judge from all the smilies you use,i wonder how old you really are? 14 maybe? Had hoped this was a trollthread,but you are indeed for real,,,,how do you explain your behavior?,in your own mature words.
Dawvgrid
no 272 squadron "whispering death"
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I sent you a private message Scrmbl, pretty much explains what I wanted to say and hope it clears a few things up for you.
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Hey "flying poultry guy" (lol...Toad and Kieran crack me up) you're wrong. Go here
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html)
and see the actual WWII training films. Landing, take off. "Edumecate" yourself.
- Westy
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I just want to take a moment to thank everyone who has participated in this thread for 4 solid days of free entertainment.
As for FDSS, You're still outta here, right? Or did you change your mind?
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Been playing with a new sig file for FDSS, see what ya think...
(http://www.nlcs.k12.in.us/deckardb/fdss.jpg)
Wait tic, I think I see a problem here...
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I think sig file is nice but he needs nose art too :) Anyone got a pic of a Farting Duck or Squatting Swan? Preferably of one that's all bunged up and having a real hard time doing either? ;)
[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]
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Hook, line, and sinker..
Another succesful newbie attention getting scheme gone good.
wtg tempest9. :rolleyes:
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Should I read this topic or could someone post a "compressed" text about this?
(I can't see keys in my kb so how could I read all those fancy words up there?)
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One hundred and forty-six
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Dawvgrid..no I'm not 14. I use a lot of smileys, because I'm a very emotional guy! Why do people think that once you get out of puberty you have to act like your grandfather? Live a little!!! :rolleyes:
Uncle...you said you looked at the boxed version of WW2Online. Where? I've been looking all over the UK for it and it's contraband as far as I know. Have you found a special little hidden shop on the British Isles where they sell it? Please tell me if you have. Thanks for your post, by the way, it was very informative.
Westy..I still have to look at those movies. I'll get back to you as soon as I have.
[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]