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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Maverick on May 12, 2003, 10:27:31 AM
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I started to boycott French products some time ago as a means of giving my personal response to the way France (and Germany too) behaved about the Iraq war. They are entitled to their opinions but the "high moral ground" didn't seem to be where they were coming from. IMO.
I understand they are allies and all but I think they stepped over the line in their actions. (or inactions if you will).
I was sent this as an e-mail from a buddy of mine. If you feel the same way then it may be of use to you. If you don't, then feel free to support these companies. That is what makes a free market a great thing. :) This is, after all, a grass roots response to the government of france and the stance they took in the war as well as after.
I have not had time to check these out to see if it is accurate, so take it with a grain of salt.
Mav
France has every right to disagree with America, but France has moved from simple dissent to active hostility toward America. France President Chirac warned East European nations that if they sided with the US, France would oppose their membership in the European Union. This very week, William Safire reported in the New York Times that France has been secretly helping to arm Iraq and has been helping Irag build long range missiles. These same missiles may NOW possibly be used against our own US soldiers. Just as France has exercised its right to disagree, all Americans can exercise their right to boycott and help countries that do not stand with us. French Products and Companies to Boycott:
Air France
Air Liquide
Airbus (airplanes in commericial use)
Alcatel
Allegra (allergy medication)
Aqualung - including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers and = SeaQuest
AXA Advisors
Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas)
Beneteau (boats)
BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin)
BIC (razors, pens and lighters)
Biotherm (cosmetics
Black Bush
Bollinger (champagne)
Car & Driver Magazine
Cartier
Chanel
Chivas Regal (scotch)
Christian Dior
Club Med (vacations)
Culligan (owned by Vivendi)
Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods)
DKNY
Dom Perigonon (champagne)
Durand Crystal
Elle Magazine
Essilor Optical Products
Evian
Fina (petroleum products) and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi = oil
fields)
First Hawaiian Bank
George Magazine
Givenchy
Glenlivet (scotch)
Hennessy (liquor products)
Houghton Mifflin (books)
Jacobs Creek (owned = by Pernod Ricard since 1989)
Jameson (whiskey)
Jerry Springer (talk show)
Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers)
Lancome - Le Creuset (cookware)
L'Oreal (health and beauty products)
Louis Vuitton
Marie Claire
Martel Cognac
Maybelline
Mephisto (shoes & clothes)
Michelin (tires & auto parts)
Mikasa (crystal and glass)
Moet (champagne)
Motel 6
Motown Records
MP3.com
Mumms (champagne)
Nissan (cars - majority owned by
Renault
Nivea
Normany Butter
Parents Magazine
Peugeot (automobiles)
Pierre Cardin
Playstation Magazine
ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics - France)
Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatachi Advertising)
RCA (television & electronics - owned by Thomson Electronics France)
Red Magazine
Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France)
Renault (automobiles)
Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France)
Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffe makers,
Royal Canadian
Salomon (skis)
Sierra Software & Computer Games
Smart & Final
Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor group)
Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone)
Spencer Gifts.
Sundance Channel
Taylor Made (gold clubs & equipment)
Technicolor
T-Fal (kitchenware
Total Gas Stations
UbiSoft (computer games)
Uniroyal (tires)
Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks - owned by = Vivendi
US Filter
Veritas Group
Veuve Clicquot Champagne
Vittel
Vivendi
Wild Turkey (bourbon)
Woman's Day Magazine
Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50% stake)
Yves Saint Laurent
Zodia Inflatable Boats
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SIERRA and UBISOFT?????
:eek:
I am surprised.
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The only thing I can't do without are my Michelin tires!
They are simply the best out there IMHO!
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I do not use a single thing on this list...
Is it just me, or do most of the things on the list suck anyway? LOL.
:D
Ok I admit it, my Goat has BF goodrich tires on it.... but I bought them YEARS ago..
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You forgot French Fries!!!!
:rolleyes:
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Black Bush
WTF is that ? :D
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A good portion of that stuff is crap anyway.
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Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France)
LOL!!!!
Pathetic, truely pathetic.
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Zodia Inflatable Boats
I see its still OK for the americans to use the Inflatable Sheep!! Good luck for you!!!
Really, The Americans are gaining P.R points in my book every day lol!
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Originally posted by fd ski
WTF is that ? :D
Artificial Arm-pit bush so american girl can be laid by any french gigolo :)
More seriously I think it's a Whiskey (you know something like cognac but leaving a bad taste in the mouth :D)
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Some folks don't understand the diffrence between a boycott and a burning. If you own any of these products, you should not throw them away.. use them. the money has already been spent.. you can't bring it back. Tossing serviceable french made items out just because they are french is absurd.. and accomplishes nothing other than wasting your already spent money.
Boycott means you just avoid buying these items in the future.
I know it's obvious.. but I still see folks pouring out french wine they already own... instead of drinking it.
I admire the conviction, but marvel at the stupidity. ;)
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Black Bush and Jameson are Irish whiskeys, not French. They are distilled in Ireland and are definitely Irish. There is nothing crap about Irish Whiskey, Martlet and it definitely does not suck GtoRA".
You have something against the Irish too???? Where's me shillelagh????
Airbus is partly French but is multinational being built in several countries including Britain. Is Britain on this list now? I should also mention that much of the equipment and accesories on Airbuses, from the engines to avionics are American. There's a case of shooting yourselves in the foot or the head more appropriately.
Jerry Springer, he's originally from England? Where do the French come in?
Krups is German.
Really if you're going to have a witchhunt or a lynch mob at least get your targets right. Irish Whiskey indeed!
You know this anti French thing was originally quite funny but now it's really getting stupid and childish. Need I remind you that the war was against IRAQ. They were the enemy.
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Yeah, but you got to admit it's a laugh to watch.
Kind of like watching Wee-man kick himself in the head in 'love muffin The Movie'.
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You know this anti French thing was originally quite funny but now it's really getting stupid and childish. Need I remind you that the war was against IRAQ. They were the enemy.
Oh?
Polish yer glasses, bud.
The 'enemy' was and remains state supported terrorisim.. and any nation that supprts terrorist regimes by funding them, as FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA, etc, did is on MY 'enemy' list.
YOU might think it's 'stupid' to NOT support national programs that fund terror operations, I don't. YOU might think it's just fine to spend your dollars on merchandise and services that originate with those nations that have diplomatic and fininacial ties to terrorist regimes, I do not.
You are of course entitled to your opinion... and you can, thanks to the fact that you live in a free trade society, elect to do as you please with your finances.. and spend those funds in such a way as to make it even easier for the folks that want to see our nation suffer more 9/11's accomplish their goals.
Enjoy yer wine, cheeze and club med getaway. Paid for in blood.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Yeah, but you got to admit it's a laugh to watch.
Kind of like watching Wee-man kick himself in the head in 'love muffin The Movie'.
Wee-man was on punk'd, too. He was driving a station wagon, which I found odd.
He's funny, though.
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Going to buy tires for the vehicles next month... Michelin for the car and BFG for the truck... :cool:
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Hangtime you have gotta be joking, well I think it's funny. In any case I tend to prefer Australian or Chilean wine myself, the French wines have somewhat lost their way these days. I'm not much of a cheese eater and I prefer my Mediterranean holidays in Spain. Very friendly people the Spanish. I'll keep driving my German car though.
As for your new axis of evil, France, Germany and Russia. Well I look forward to seeing the 3rd Infantry shooting their way up the Champs Elysees live on Fox and the Marines storming the Reichstag.
But seriously none of those countries are friends of the Al Qaida. Indeed the French were working actively against them and warning others long before 9/11. Easily forgotten that. The Russians have their own terrorist problems, a bomb as recently as yesterday in Chechnya.
The biggest problem with silly boycotts is that it will most likely cost American jobs and Irish distillery workers and British aerospace employees and have precious little impact on your target and have the real terrorists laughing up their sleeves at the stupidity of it.
Look at the the list of all those American based companies in Maverick's post. Try and work out how many of your fellow citizens will be out of work as a result of your actions. I have to agree with Dowding on this one. It's like hitting yourself in the head.
The reality these days is that that economies of the whole western world is inextricably linked. The Americans invest in Europe and the Europeans invest in Amerca. If you mess with it we all go down together. It's the whole globalization thing.
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cpxxx I urge you to try the wine from "Vallée de la Loire" they are not over-rated like the Bordeau or the Bourgogne and are in general cheaper.
Plus it's from my region of origin ;)
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Originally posted by cpxxx
But seriously none of those countries are friends of the Al Qaida. Indeed the French were working actively against them and warning others long before 9/11. Easily forgotten that. The Russians have their own terrorist problems, a bomb as recently as yesterday in Chechnya.
Since when is Al Queda the only group of terrorists that we're out to squash? Sure, it's the one that's always touted in the news because it was behind 9/11. But at no point did the president say that we were at war with Al Queda. He very clearly said we were at war with terrorists and any nation who harbors or supports terrorists. Just because France, Germany, and Russia don't directly support Al Queda, doesn't mean that they weren't all involved in keeping up a regime in another country that did support terrorists, and in France's case, taking active measures to disrupt US actions to end that regime.
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Have you forgot who have supportet the Talibans in Afghanistan as they fight the soviets? The Taliban have never made a secret about theirs goals after the soviets are out of the country. Who so indirectly supportet Bin Laden? He was CIA's best pupil until he said that he doesn't like you.
Who is still supportin Saudi Arabia ?(btw. a regime thats so corruptet,no human rights, a pure sharia islamistic state, a land that support military islamistic groups and building moshees and islamic schools with petrol dollars in the whole world)
What nationality where the Pilots of 9/11?
Before accusing other look in your own closet.
This world is not perfect, mostly never will be. But it would be a more pleasent place to live if you people would stop bashing arround.
Sailor
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An bomb djust exploded in Saudi Arabia... check the news..
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the average frenchman could care less about politics. in fact i could walk down to the champs elysee right now and buy an american flag. stop bashing countrys you ignorant tards know nothing about. all those boycotts hurt is the average working person in the US and france.
oh and if you havnt noticed the euro is worth more then the dollar now thanks to our war hero leaders tax cuts for the wealthy. thx bush cant wait for the inflation
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1 day you ignorant sheep herders are gonna understand that the fundamental problems involving terrorism has its origins in SAUDI ARABIA....your biggest oil importer....which you deliberately ignore.
now in Iraq....you just opened the gate WIDE for the religious shiite leader.....then there'll be a new Sunni leader...then a Kurd leader.....all this means BAD BLOOD.
the never ending religious cycle of war.....all in the name of God
lucky I'm an athieist:D
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Originally posted by cpxxx
.....Well I look forward to seeing the 3rd Infantry shooting their way up the Champs Elysees live on Fox and the Marines storming the Reichstag.....
Why use the 3rd Infantry division? The annual cub scout jamboree would be more than capable of taking the french, as for Germany, well, give em guns and they'll knock them off too.
:p
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Boycotts influence policy. It also makes me feel better. You buy whatever you want, I'll do the same. Every time I buy an I boycott a French product, it hurts that company. My little bit helps. The last time I checked, French import sales were down 10-15%. French tourism sales were down 20-25% from America. That hurts.
When I buy an American product INSTEAD of a French one, it helps that company, more American workers, and keeps my money here.
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Originally posted by SLO
1 day you ignorant sheep herders are gonna understand that the fundamental problems involving terrorism has its origins in SAUDI ARABIA....your biggest oil importer....which you deliberately ignore.
now in Iraq....you just opened the gate WIDE for the religious shiite leader.....then there'll be a new Sunni leader...then a Kurd leader.....all this means BAD BLOOD.
the never ending religious cycle of war.....all in the name of God
lucky I'm an athieist:D
Wrong again SLO,
The origins of todays terrorism come from one place and one place only, Beirut. Until that sh*thole is cleaned up, there will continue to be problems through out the world as an endless supply of matyrs will come forth. The Saudis mostly provide funding as they are a part of the Arab world which mostly supports the terrorist networks now. (yes I am aware that some personnel do come from Saudi as in Sept 11) As for Saudi Arabia, that situation is being addressed with a complete pull out of our troops, and ceasement of all military aid to said country.
One more thought, weren't you on the liberal band wagon about the Americans not picking the new Iraqi Gov't??? Seems to me that keeping any Iraqi citizen out if they wish to return would kinda be against that ideal.
Make up your mind, your anti-americanism is clouding your judgement and making you look much more like the rediculous liberal idiot you are.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Martlet
Boycotts influence policy. It also makes me feel better. You buy whatever you want, I'll do the same. Every time I buy an I boycott a French product, it hurts that company. My little bit helps. The last time I checked, French import sales were down 10-15%. French tourism sales were down 20-25% from America. That hurts.
no.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Wrong again SLO,
The origins of todays terrorism come from one place and one place only, Beirut. Until that sh*thole is cleaned up, there will continue to be problems through out the world as an endless supply of matyrs will come forth. The Saudis mostly provide funding as they are a part of the Arab world which mostly supports the terrorist networks now. (yes I am aware that some personnel do come from Saudi as in Sept 11) As for Saudi Arabia, that situation is being addressed with a complete pull out of our troops, and ceasement of all military aid to said country.
One more thought, weren't you on the liberal band wagon about the Americans not picking the new Iraqi Gov't??? Seems to me that keeping any Iraqi citizen out if they wish to return would kinda be against that ideal.
Make up your mind, your anti-americanism is clouding your judgement and making you look much more like the rediculous liberal idiot you are.
:rolleyes:
liberal....idiot....all in 1 phrase...your improving bodhi :D
don't forget...YOU branded me as anti-american.......
otherwise all is fine....move on now:cool:
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Originally posted by SLO
don't forget...YOU branded me as anti-american.......
Naw Slo, you branded yourself with your continuous posts of anti-american hooplah. The sad thing is, you really do not know what you are talking about, and that makes the rest of Montreal look worse than it already is.
:eek:
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I could explain it too you.....
but since you use such a colorful language in expressing your thoughts......
I choose to ignore your childish ramblings and your red-neck agruments:D
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Frogboy,
As a very junior teenager you really don't have much to add to the conversation here. You lack any experiance and credibility. In short, concentrate on growing up and learning instead of trying to act like you know anything. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by straffo
no.
yes
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FYI you mixed two different trend one only temporary and one started right after 9/11.
Lookup what happened after the Lybia incident .
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It seems the UN had a vote and France did not agree
To raid the land we call Iraq and set those people free
So patriotic citizens decided to boycott
All things French but sorry boys, French is all I got.
My Renault rides on Michelins, To shave I use a Bic
My speedboat is a Beneteau, now don't think I'm a dick
I'm right behind you all the way In punishing those Frogs
But Jerry Springer is my hero and a poodle is my dog.
Dannon Yogurt keeps me thin Roquefort makes me fat
Pierre Cardin keeps me clothed from shoes up to my hat,
I know the French are terrible, I can't disagree
I saw it all on CNN on RCA TV.
But without my Allegra my nose runs and I sneeze,
So boycott French is easier without these allergies.
To show that I'm a patriot I'll send in a donation
First Hawaiian is my bank America is my nation.
My coffee comes from Krups' machine, my clubs are Taylor Made
My scuba gear is Aqua Lung, I cook on Lancome
We toast events with Dom Periginon My wife wears Maybelline
I'm still just an American who reads Elle Magazine.
About your boycott if I could I really would deliver
But Glinlivet just tastes too good And marinates my liver.
I would write more if I could but I have to run
We have to catch an Air France jet for a week of Club Med fun.
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Sierra..
(http://www.unhelpful.org/ltm/logofrance.jpg)
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Originally posted by SLO
I could explain it too you.....
but since you use such a colorful language in expressing your thoughts......
I choose to ignore your childish ramblings and your red-neck agruments:D
Kind of like most of us American business men who have poured millions of dollars into making your province a viable entity. You think we actually listen to you liberal frogs, those who have destroyed the soul of Montreal, anymore? Think again. If you want colorful, go down rue St.Catherine, as for me, I say it like it is.
:rolleyes:
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Please also remember to burn all your Thrustmaster products (Or better yet, send them to me :D)
Daff
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Originally posted by Hangtime
The 'enemy' was and remains state supported terrorisim.. and any nation that supprts terrorist regimes by funding them, as FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA, etc, did is on MY 'enemy' list.
So ur own country MUST BE on ur list too and this means ur an anti American. Sick!
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LOL Daff!!
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Originally posted by Duedel
So ur own country MUST BE on ur list too and this means ur an anti American. Sick!
Duedel,
What I hope is that the American companies on this lst will take steps to buy back their interests held by foriegn countries. In other words for it to be a true American company it should be owned and managed by Americans not by a foriegn based company that will make decisions based on their "world or country" view. That type of situation could end up pitting the American company at a counter point to it's own country and economy.
I for one would like to see Chrysler totally disengaged from Daimler (sp?) as an example.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Duedel,
What I hope is that the American companies on this lst will take steps to buy back their interests held by foriegn countries.
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I for one would like to see Chrysler totally disengaged from Daimler (sp?) as an example.
Yeah, and give back all the foreign money soaked up in the american NYSE (quote from an analyst goes as far as "no, we do not produce growing revenues... we produce american capital by sucking it up on the stock market... and we can have it going on without real revenues for years to come")
BTW Daimler bought Chrysler, not the other way around.
I could go on , but im just too fed up with the new american imperialism. Getting too emotional even now.
Why don`t you have a good, american cup of STFU. And think of all the mercedes, hondas, heckler & kochs, berettas, infineons, samsungs, sonys, bmws, cristal etc etc. that make the american way of life what it is.
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there is no
Originally posted by Maverick
true American company
in the age of globalisation.
Furtheron what about true German, true Swedish and true Australian companies?
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Originally posted by devious
Yeah, and give back all the foreign money soaked up in the american NYSE (quote from an analyst goes as far as "no, we do not produce growing revenues... we produce american capital by sucking it up on the stock market... and we can have it going on without real revenues for years to come")
BTW Daimler bought Chrysler, not the other way around.
I could go on , but im just too fed up with the new american imperialism. Getting too emotional even now.
Why don`t you have a good, american cup of STFU. And think of all the mercedes, hondas, heckler & kochs, berettas, infineons, samsungs, sonys, bmws, cristal etc etc. that make the american way of life what it is.
Why don't you look up the definition of imperialism, then go back to crying in your brotwurst.
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=todaybaghdad.htm
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Thanks Mav.That goes on the fridge to take with me shopping.
I could go on , but im just too fed up with the new american imperialism. Getting too emotional even now.
Oh hey, that reminds me. Have you been able to find a similar list of companies owned by descendents of Jew murdering Nazi filth?
If so, pass it along as well. Thanks.
Wab
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All of you need to get your heads out of your asses. This is so far beyond patriotism that it sickens me.
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With l'Oréal you have both Wabbit
(I'm myself boycotting l'Oréal product for year because of that)
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Originally posted by Nifty
All of you need to get your heads out of your asses. This is so far beyond patriotism that it sickens me.
What's patriotism got to do with it? I disagree with the French govt's actions, so I refuse to buy French products. While my buying power alone won't change a thing, if enough people do it, it will pressure French companies to pressure the French Gov't.
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Martlet,
I user "imperialist" to bring up the soviet-era propaganda connotation.
What you suggest - the USA vs. all the states in or supplying "the axis of evil" would make an interesting Harpoon 4 scenario (if it ever comes out).
There ain`t no Brotwurst I ever heard of, it`s a Wurstbrot. Kraut sandwich :P