Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Zigrat on May 12, 2003, 08:22:03 PM
-
ok i was at the airport, stopped for 1-2 minutes (less than 1 song played) in a "no parking" zone because my friend says she is getting off the train to the terminal now. some cop comes up and gives me a ticket for parking! my engine was on, i am in the car.. how the hell am i parked? I told this guy my firend was just on her way out and he acts like an arrogant ******* and asks me if i cant read the sign. i said there was no "no stopping" sign, just no parking and i wasnt parked. he gives me the ticket and walks away. he could have just explained to me that i had to move, but he gave me a ticket.
i ****ing hate arrogant cops.
-
Welcome to post 9/11. Read the signs at the airport bud... they have a whole new level of importance.
MiniD
-
Originally posted by Zigrat
i ****ing hate arrogant cops.
Probably as much as the cop hates ignorant drivers lol.
Hey, if you think you have a case, take a day off when it goes to court. It's a fun use of a day and a rewarding civic lesson that will stay with you forever.
-Sik
lol
-
i read the sign, it said no parking, not no stopping. if they dont want people stopping they should say that. i am going to court, but it is stupid for me to dispute it they make me go 2 times to the courthouse, once to say i will go to court, once to actually go. why not just let me dispute and set appointment over the phone? with moving violations they let you do this but not with parking i guess.
-
Zigrat,
Call an attorney specializing in traffic / driving violations, and ask him/her via the phone, or actually go in to see the person. Most consultations are free, and it could be rewarding to you, or make you just want to pay the fee.... my bet is that you can get out of it, unless you sat there more than 5 minutes. Be careful on that as they use video surveillance quite extensively now, and thats probably what tipped him off to you sitting there waiting.
Good luck, and ignore the salamanders.
-
Zigrat,
This is a whine par excelance!!!!! You stopped and let your vehicle remain in a no parking area. That means no parking including while the vehicle is occupied. You admit you remained there, just suck it up and learn from it. It's part of being responsible for your actions.
-
Depends on where you are, I guess. In some areas, "No parking" also means "No standing."
-
i am responsible. i can tell you that in my head no parking to me did not mean no stopping. i have seen no stopping signs in use around the country.
see the new york state DMV page: http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmanual/chapter07-manual.htm
quote:
PARKING REGULATIONS
What people generally understand as "parking" is legally divided into three categories: parking, standing and stopping.
A NO PARKING sign means you may stop only temporarily to load or unload merchandise or passengers.
A NO STANDING sign means you may stop only temporarily to load or unload passengers.
A NO STOPPING sign means you may stop only in order to obey a traffic sign, signal or officer, or to avoid conflicts with other vehicles.
Besides posted parking, standing and stopping rules, there are statewide rules not always indicated by signs:
that is what i was doing. i am gonna go to court, i bet the cop won't even show up. please note i dont think all cops are arrogant or bad, far from it, but obviously this guy just had a bad day.
-
I've never seen one of those "No stopping" signs except for military bases in the vicinity of weapons magazines.
-
Question for you zigrat...
If there would have been a parking meter there would you have pulled up to it, stopped at the spot and just sat there, or would you have got out and fed the meter? I mean... if you weren't really parking, you wouldn't really have to feed a parking meter.
Parking is the act of stopping your car and waiting. It always has been, it always will be. If your defense consists of "I was sitting there waiting for..." you have lost.
No stopping signs mean that you can't even pull over to let someone into the car. No stopping at all.
The "driver waiting in car for 5 minutes" rule is not part of the parking laws... its an exception... that's why the signs were there for it. Once the signs allowing the exception are gone... so is the exeption.
MiniD
-
I work at an airport, dude. Believe me, these signs leave little room for ambiguity. They have designated loading/unloading areas that are marked. These areas would have served you're purpose, and kept you out of the perview of the authorities. No means No. Looking to play the semantics game in court is a waste of you're, and the courts' time. Additionally, Contempt of Cop is a crime. You would have been better served to move the car the instant he told you to. I know, "fight the power" and all that other crap:rolleyes: . Fine, but don't try it at the airport...its' like whole other country these days.
:D
-
1) what the sign said was "no parking, loading and unloading only" (this was curbside by the baggage claim) and 2) he didnt tell me to move he gave me the ticket. i wouldnt be posting here if he had just explained the sign rather than writing me up. i am not an unintelligent person so i bet many others are also confused by this, and they just bet that it isn't worth our time to fight it so you just pay the 25 dollars. well i am not gonna let this guy win even though the hours it will cost me are worth way more than 25 bucks. the ******* questioned my ability to read the sign and rolled his eyes when i explained i didnt think i was doing anything wrong. it did not say "no parking any time".
-
were you loading or unloading? Doesn't sound like it.
Remember.... you are not going to court to argue over whether or not the cop SHOULD have given you the ticket, but rather whether or not YOU broke the law by stopping. Its been clearly stated that you did and your only retort seems to be "he could have gave me a warning instead." And... you are correct, he could have, but chose not to do that. What exactly is it that you are going to fight again?
I understand you being pissed. I just don't believe you have any legal recourse in this situation. If you go to court, you will be found guilty.
One thing to remember, if you plea "not guilty" and demand a trial before a judge with the officer present... you are responsible for court fees in the event you are found guilty. Basically, look at your ticket and start adding dollars.
If you go to the court and plea guilty and just show for sentancing (well.. not sentancing but fine rendering), they will always (well almost always) reduce the amount of the ticket and you have a non-moving violation on your record... or that you fought when blatently wrong and lost on your record.
MiniD
-
Sounds to me like the Cop was a Republican. You do exactly what he tells you or you are a subversive. Why are you questioning what he said, must be a terrorist.
-
Originally posted by rpm371
Sounds to me like the Cop was a Republican. You do exactly what he tells you or you are a subversive. Why are you questioning what he said, must be a terrorist.
LOL:D
-
As far as your states' transportations code I would research your states definition of parking, standing, and stoping. Usually each means something different.
-
You shouldn't park there for any reason of course. Pull over and wait a minute or 2? Not a great idea, but lotsa people do it. Don't see why you'd get a ticket.
At ORD they look at you and give you the signal to move, and you better.
I'd pay the $25 and thank god that you aren't standing at an airport writing $25 tickets to people who don't know better about parking. Imagine what decisions let to his career path, and then you'll understand why you just didn't get a warning and hurried along.
-
Sounds to me like the security guy was doing his job. At an airport especially, he'd more than likely get in trouble himself if he allowed you to "loiter" there for more than 30 seconds.
I know that here at the Mobile Airport, there is no dropping off of people under the covered area near the main entrance, i.e. no stopping at all. You gotta go park in the parking lot to disembark (people and baggage) to the airport. Same for picking up arrivals.
Zigrat, please don't take this the wrong way...but I'll tell this little anecdote because it has to do with police. It's kinda off topic anyway, and doesn't apply to your situation, I'm sure.
A few years ago, a student at the local university had the mindset that he was going to make the Police toe the line when it came to obeying speed laws. After all, everyone else had to, and he'd recently gotten a ticket for speeding himself. So he followed a speeding police car (on a code 2 call...no lights or siren?) up to speeds of 80 mph and eventually "pulled over" the police car and issued the Sergeant driving the car a "ticket" for speeding.
Now the sergeant was supposedly amused and didn't take this guy seriously. The sergeant had been in special forces in Vietnam, and was, at the time of this incident, operator of a Kung Fu school...that's probably why he didn't over react to the student's civic zeal. Don't recall reading in the paper whether he arrested the guy. I think he just took the "ticket" and got back to his original call.
But, to make a long story short, the case went to court, and the student got a speeding ticket because of his own defense. He claimed he knew how fast the officer was going, because he was right behind him in his car and read the speedometer. The court found him guilty of speeding by his own admission.
LOL
Les :D
PS- this same student came under scrutiny a couple years later. He was seen exchanging objects with another student in a closed book store parking lot at night, by campus police. CP had been keeping an eye on this parking lot due to drug activity in the area. Turns out, the student was writing term papers, essays, etc... for pay and delivering the product to another student. (This is what he claimed.)
He just started riding off on his bicycle when told to halt by campus police, who called back-up and the city police, after the student ran and went into a nearby house. He holed up in there for almost eight hours after producing a shotgun and threatening police, who eventually fired tear gas into the house and arrested him without incident.
-
Originally posted by Zigrat
ok i was at the airport, stopped for 1-2 minutes (less than 1 song played) in a "no parking" zone.
A NO PARKING sign means you may stop only temporarily to load or unload merchandise or passengers.
[/b]
Guilty.
Next.
-
See what I mean Zig?
-
Most likely you'll be able to beat it if you show up in court and plead not guilty. Talk to the DA before court, but on the same day.
-
Zig, Plead Not Guilty by reason of insanity!
:D
*This is getting better....need to make some popcorn*
-
Zigrat must look like a real putz and the Cop could tell by looking at him that if he gave him a ticket he'd probably cry like a little girl about it all over the Internet.
Personally I think we should take a page from Singapore's justice system and cane the bottoms of the feet of illegal parkers. And if Steve Hortlund were assigned the case that's exactly what would happen.
-
Originally posted by Airhead
Zigrat must look like a real putz and the Cop could tell by looking at him that if he gave him a ticket he'd probably cry like a little girl about it all over the Internet.
Personally I think we should take a page from Singapore's justice system and cane the bottoms of the feet of illegal parkers. And if Steve Hortlund were assigned the case that's exactly what would happen.
I agree. I think difference here is that he was in his car with the engine running. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but I would have assumed that was ok also. IMO, giving a ticket in that case is just a jerk move, regardless of how legitimate it is. It takes less time to explain it is illegale to even stop there, and ask him to move.
-
Originally posted by Airhead
Zigrat must look like a real putz and the Cop could tell by looking at him that if he gave him a ticket he'd probably cry like a little girl about it all over the Internet.
Personally I think we should take a page from Singapore's justice system and cane the bottoms of the feet of illegal parkers. And if Steve Hortlund were assigned the case that's exactly what would happen.
How could that be Airhead? Hortlund is in Sweden. He has no jurisdiction over what goes on in Singapore.
I doubt caning is done in the fashion you describe, even in Singapore.
Les
-
muahahah
Little do you know about the extent of my powers.
-
Originally posted by Leslie
How could that be Airhead? Hortlund is in Sweden. He has no jurisdiction over what goes on in Singapore.
I doubt caning is done in the fashion you describe, even in Singapore.
Les
Well, they both start with S and they both have corpral punishment, only in Sweden they beat you with a dead fish instead of a Karat.
I think they cane the butt in Singapore but I'm not sure. I know one time when I was about 10 years old my Uncle caught me, my brother and three of his kids up in the olive trees (they had an orchard) after he'd warned us repeatedly to stay out of them. He made my oldest cousin pick a stout olive switch and line up.
One at a time he'd ask "Were you in that olive tree?" and one at a time he got a "Yes father" answer or "Yes Uncle" answer, and he'd flail the hind end of the kids until they screamed. I was last in line, and when he asked me "Were you in that olive tree?" I answered "Heck no, I was only trying to make everybody else get down." He laughed so hard he couldn't swing the switch as hard as he had on my brother and cousins, so I learned at an early age that if you're caught red handed the best policy is to deny everything.
-
Originally posted by Zigrat
1) what the sign said was "no parking, loading and unloading only" (this was curbside by the baggage claim) and 2) he didnt tell me to move he gave me the ticket. i wouldnt be posting here if he had just explained the sign rather than writing me up. i am not an unintelligent person so i bet many others are also confused by this, and they just bet that it isn't worth our time to fight it so you just pay the 25 dollars. well i am not gonna let this guy win even though the hours it will cost me are worth way more than 25 bucks. the ******* questioned my ability to read the sign and rolled his eyes when i explained i didnt think i was doing anything wrong. it did not say "no parking any time".
If you had been truly intelligent you would have understood that the intent of the sign was to keep things moving. You were not loading or unloading. You were stopped and waiting for someone to arrive. Had your passenger been there and got in without your waiting, listening to the radio, you wouldn't have been botered at all.
It is not the Officers job to explain a sign that you as a licensed driver are EXPECTED to be able to comprehend BEFORE you go out on the road. :rolleyes:
It is also not their responsibility to "try the case" there on the curb.
I still find this to be a whine and a refusal to accept the consequences of your actions. Hardly a mature way to act.
-
We're missing the part about the snotty look on his face and the indignant tone in his voice...but hey...that shouldn't matter, right?
Time to ture up a bit Zig....learn to pick your fights more carefully in the future.
-
My airport experience was in Paris, France at Orly. I was on a student exchange program with students from Spain. This was back in 1976. I was about 18 or so, and going in line to get on the plane to Madrid. A man came up and placed me first in line to go through the litttle curtained off cubicle, where a French security agent checked everyone's pockets and carry on baggage.
Back then I looked like a long haired, bearded Viking barbarian...so I assume that's why they placed me first in line. The Security agent asked me to empty my pockets (he didn't even look through my carry-on bag). I did, and showed him a small pocket knife, which, being from the South, was no big deal for us. The Frenchman became a bit excited and said "Knif" (Kneef), to which I said "Knife" (Nife.) I held out my hand and he returned it to me, but was very reluctant to let me pass, until the first guy came in and said it was OK. Guess they were looking for something else, probably drugs.
So I went to Spain for six weeks and returned through Charles deGaul Airport...actually got to see a Concorde take off.:)
Customs seemed kinda lax to me upon my return to New York City. I bought a .22 pepperbox pistol in Madrid (black powder), and claimed this item on the claims list. Customs never checked for it, and passed me through without a search of my luggage. The item must not have been contraband, but it sure seemed strange to me, in after thought, that something like this could occur. Could have been they didn't read the list.
Of course this was back in 1976, when you probably couldn't get in trouble for that. Btw, the pepperbox is about as powerful as a BB gun, and would make a better weapon throwing it at someone after the shots are used up.:D
Les
-
Different takes from different posters:
Obviously the cop is a right wing Nazi fanatic who agrees with GWB that we should steal Iraqi oil and kill Moslems. America is Evil and the police are corrupt. Wake up before Chimpy Boy makes parking illegal in America and gives us ALL parking tickets!
-Blitz
The cop should have shot Zigrat first and asked questions later. How do we know he's not a Terrorist? If you aren't with us then you must be against us.
-Grunherz
Clinton had sex with an intern. He is a national disgrace.
-Hortlund
Have we ever tried to reason with illegal parkers and find out why they hate America so much they ignore our parking laws? I think we need to try to understand them.
-Sandman
I say Zigrat was the constable armed? How big was his gun? What color was it? Our police rarely carry guns because guns are banned in England and we're better off for it. Tootle-pip.
-Beetle
The reason we can't park at the airport is because the French support terrorism and hate the USA. The French suck. And so do the Russians and the Germans. And all the nationalities who aren't white.
-Rude
I never get parking tickets at the Airport because my BMW is so sleek it looks like it's moving even when it's parked. That and the parking police all love me. Everybody loves me.I'm perfect. I love my BMW.
-Ripsnort
Dripsnore, I wouldn't feed you the peanuts out of my poop if you were starving to death. I hope your wife gives you a dose of the clap.
-Creamo
I was getting stoned at the airport once and when the cop gave me the ticket I offered him a hit off the joint. He took all my pot and gave me another ticket.
-Midnight Target
-
take it to jury bet they will see it your way.
p.s. cop will lie. hope you have witnesses.
-
Fight the ticket, I bet he wont even make it to court... If he does explain to the judge your case... Be shure to write your airline the, FAA, and your local airport head a letter or two... describing your situation and how you will not a support an industry that is trying prey on its honest customers.... write your congressman to tell them to not bail out any airline that may belly up.... CC that letter to the people listed above... Be shure to have these letters when you go to court to present the judge... Now court is court... any sane judge will look at the economy look at the current airline industry and kick your case out of court... now the insane, our court system is a craps shoot... Get a judge who doesn't like the way you look etc.. then youll lose..
way i see it its win if you fight it... lose if you dont... worst they could do for you fighting it is just pay anyway.. if you have the time to monkey around then fight it...
Just my Opinion....
DoctorYo
-
Originally posted by lord dolf vader
take it to jury bet they will see it your way.
p.s. cop will lie. hope you have witnesses.
Umm...no jury for parking tickets. And if the cop tells the judge that Zig was parked in front of the sign, which, oddly enough, is what Zig tells us, he doesn't have to lie.
:rolleyes:
-
Anyone who's knowingly guilty yet fights a parking ticket should be charged for the court time they waste. Either that or flogged. Pay the freakin' ticket and don't waste the time of the Court system. Sheeesh.
-
Your multi-incarnation post was simply GREAT AirHead :)
-
Originally posted by lord dolf vader
take it to jury bet they will see it your way.
p.s. cop will lie. hope you have witnesses.
Civilians lie as well.
-
Fight it Zig. They may have you on the letter of the law, but I've never seen them ticket somebody for that without a warning. Usually they will come up and say "if you don't move in 5 seconds I am going to write you a ticket."
If their goal was to keep traffic moving, that's what they would have done.
Instead he went right for the citation pad. Revenue is more important than traffic flow I guess.
-
Originally posted by Dune
Umm...no jury for parking tickets. And if the cop tells the judge that Zig was parked in front of the sign, which, oddly enough, is what Zig tells us, he doesn't have to lie.
:rolleyes:
In Texas you an appeal it to County Court and get a jury trial.
might be what he means
-
Originally posted by lord dolf vader
p.s. cop will lie. hope you have witnesses.
What do you base this on?
-
I don't understand. You broke the law then tried to argue w/ the cop. Sounds like YOU are the arrogant one. Take your medicine, you earned it.
-
Originally posted by Airhead
Anyone who's knowingly guilty yet fights a parking ticket should be charged for the court time they waste. Either that or flogged. Pay the freakin' ticket and don't waste the time of the Court system. Sheeesh.
Are you a white man?
:)
-
That was funny stuff..
LDV proves once again.... he sucks. lol
-
Oh Zig, refrain from this life of crime!
:D
-
Strange- in Washington, DC there's parking signs with restrictions stated on them all over the place.
No Parking Or Standing: Means, you can't stand (sit in the car with the engine running) or park (turn off the engine and leave your car).
No Parking: You can not leave your vehicle.
But never a "No Standing" sign.
People sit in their cars with the engines running in "No Parking" zones all the time, cops and meter maids leave them alone. But if they do the same in a "No Parking or Standing" zone, they'll get ticketed.
I mean, if sitting in your vehicle with the engine running is considered parking... then what the hell do they need "No Standing" signs for??
-SW
-
Originally posted by Airhead
Different takes from different posters:
Obviously the cop is a right wing Nazi fanatic who agrees with GWB that we should steal Iraqi oil and kill Moslems. America is Evil and the police are corrupt. Wake up before Chimpy Boy makes parking illegal in America and gives us ALL parking tickets!
-Blitz
The cop should have shot Zigrat first and asked questions later. How do we know he's not a Terrorist? If you aren't with us then you must be against us.
-Grunherz
Clinton had sex with an intern. He is a national disgrace.
-Hortlund
Have we ever tried to reason with illegal parkers and find out why they hate America so much they ignore our parking laws? I think we need to try to understand them.
-Sandman
I say Zigrat was the constable armed? How big was his gun? What color was it? Our police rarely carry guns because guns are banned in England and we're better off for it. Tootle-pip.
-Beetle
The reason we can't park at the airport is because the French support terrorism and hate the USA. The French suck. And so do the Russians and the Germans. And all the nationalities who aren't white.
-Rude
I never get parking tickets at the Airport because my BMW is so sleek it looks like it's moving even when it's parked. That and the parking police all love me. Everybody loves me.I'm perfect. I love my BMW.
-Ripsnort
Dripsnore, I wouldn't feed you the peanuts out of my poop if you were starving to death. I hope your wife gives you a dose of the clap.
-Creamo
I was getting stoned at the airport once and when the cop gave me the ticket I offered him a hit off the joint. He took all my pot and gave me another ticket.
-Midnight Target
Gotta clean the soda off the monitor which spewed forth from my nose now Airhead... Thanks, you're a pal! Funny stuff... LOL
-
Fight the POWER!!!
Get em Zig. I got a parking ticket one night and fought it. It was only $10 but I was not guilty. It took me about 4 or 5 months to clear up and 3 trips to downtown on my off time, but I won.
Question Zig, was the cop black? It does have a bearing, you being a skinny white yankee kid in the south.
-
Originally posted by Lizard3
Fight the POWER!!!
Get em Zig. I got a parking ticket one night and fought it. It was only $10 but I was not guilty. It took me about 4 or 5 months to clear up and 3 trips to downtown on my off time, but I won.
Question Zig, was the cop black? It does have a bearing, you being a skinny white yankee kid in the south.
I wasn't aware the police issued parking tickets for bicycles, Lizard. Hey, I'm glad you got it overturned- after all, what's three trips to a courthouse and four or five months' worth of aggrevation when it's weighed against the violation of your civil rights? One small victory for you, but proof our Constitution works. WTG bud, keep the police honest.
-
Originally posted by -Concho-
What do you base this on?
The Man has been out to get Vader his whole life. That's why he's gone renegade, and now he lives by his wits, underneath the radar of the totalitarian machine. :)
-
Ahh, it's all so clear now....
-
Zig, remember this....when looking for a lady to marry, pick one who's brother is an attorney.........stuff like this is no problem.
Until then, pay the ticket.........and don't make the same play twice. The time you are going to take fighting this will be insane.
Btw, I got a lawyer for a brother-in-law, plus my sister-in-law is a Judge. Thanksgiving dinner is too much fun! Their Dad is a Minister.........it's like a episode of SOAP! WAAAAAAAAA!! :D
Thorns
-
Strange- in Washington, DC there's parking signs with restrictions stated on them all over the place.
No Parking Or Standing: Means, you can't stand (sit in the car with the engine running) or park (turn off the engine and leave your car).
No Parking: You can not leave your vehicle.
But never a "No Standing" sign.
People sit in their cars with the engines running in "No Parking" zones all the time, cops and meter maids leave them alone. But if they do the same in a "No Parking or Standing" zone, they'll get ticketed.
I mean, if sitting in your vehicle with the engine running is considered parking... then what the hell do they need "No Standing" signs for??
-SW
__________________
"Drink your school, don't do milk and stay in drugs!" - Mr. T
seawulf this is exactly the logic i was operating under.. it didnt say no stopping or standing. if parking stopping and standing all mean the same thing then why are there three seperate types of signs??? still i figured out parking downtown costs 4 bucks a pop in the lots plus hours of my time, i will just pay it. i think it is a crime in itself how they make it so difficult to defend yourself so you just give in because it isnt worth your time to fight. it should be possible to challenge via mail or phone imo.
liz: yes the cop was black but i doubt this means anything. i have black friends and think this guy just probably had an inferiority complex about being a 35 year old cop stuck giving out parking tickets.