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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on May 13, 2003, 09:53:02 AM
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Anyone read the news today?
Sharon took a hard line on West Bank settlements, outlining at least 3 Jewish Settlements in the west bank that he intends to maintain soveriegn control over.
So much for the Road Map to Mideast peace.
Too bad no one in Washington has the balls to step up and put some pressure on this guy.
It seems all too simple to me. Give up the West Bank, or give up US Support. What's it going to be Sharon?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
It seems all too simple to me. Give up the West Bank, or give up US Support. What's it going to be Sharon?
LOL of cource it seems simple to you. Your not a politician. Neither do you have to take a million different considerations into the picture.
Armchair quarterbacking at its best. While you're at it, could you find a cure for SARS too?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
LOL of cource it seems simple to you. Your not a politician. Neither do you have to take a million different considerations into the picture.
Armchair quarterbacking at its best. While you're at it, could you find a cure for SARS too?
Do you have something to add, or do you just spend your time looking to insult people?
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Israel needs to be dealt with.
Nuff said!
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What you are going to see in the next few months is this:
A basic premise for peace..in this case a "Road Map" - DONE.
Certain conditions will then be set upon the agreement.
The Israelis will say that all violence against its citizens must stop before they will sign anything.
The Palestinians will then say that all settlements must be removed before they sign.
Israel will say that no preconditions need to be met...the violence MUST end before they will consider any direct action.
The Palestinians will say that they will not do anything before the settlements are removed.
It is a "Which comes first..the chicken or the egg?"
Neither party dares move first due to political considerations.
There will be a stalemate.
The whole process will start again in a few years.
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Isn't there a military tactical reason Israel won't give up the West Bank completely? Seems I read that somewhere but can't for the life of me recall where.
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I would put my money on Curvals scenario...
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Originally posted by Apache
Isn't there a military tactical reason Israel won't give up the West Bank completely? Seems I read that somewhere but can't for the life of me recall where.
Kind of. I recalling being told at one point that a tank platoon could basically travel from the East end of Israel to the West end in just about 20 minutes. Any land serving as a "buffer zone" is worth its weight in gold to Israel.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Kind of. I recalling being told at one point that a tank platoon could basically travel from the East end of Israel to the West end in just about 20 minutes. Any land serving as a "buffer zone" is worth its weight in gold to Israel.
Yeah that was the jest of the article. In other words, Israel doesn't want to open the back door? Makes sense to me.
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A military buffer zone that just happens to be rapidly filling with Israeli settlements?
I think I've heard it all now.
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Originally posted by Dowding
A military buffer zone that just happens to be rapidly filling with Israeli settlements?
I think I've heard it all now.
Why did England occupy Ireland? I forget. Something about...security wasn't?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Give up the West Bank, or give up US Support. What's it going to be Sharon?
Saron? Sharon Stone? Is she pissed at the Palestineans too?
Heheh she's from my Dad's hometown. Meadville, PA!
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Why did England occupy Ireland? I forget. Something about...security wasn't?
This was England of 300 years ago. Are you saying Israel is at a similar level of political maturity?
I think I agree.
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And now they are building the Berlin wall again, but this time in Israel.
As for Israel and occupying... They dont even admit that they are occupying land for christ sake...
And Gaza? they cut Gaza of completly... soon it will be one of the biggest concentration camps in modern time...
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Originally posted by Maniac
And now they are building the Berlin wall again, but this time in Israel.
As for Israel and occupying... They dont even admit that they are occupying land for christ sake...
And Gaza? they cut Gaza of completly... soon it will be one of the biggest concentration camps in modern time...
As I see it, the Golan Heights were taken to avoid Syrians having the highlands on the northern border and the Gaza strip was taken for security on the south. And didn't Israel give back the Sinai after it took it back in the 60s.
Well, its a tit for tat situation over there. Israel wants its UN given existence to be undisturbed and Palestineans want the total destruction of Israel.
See: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide1.html
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Palestineans want the total destruction of Israel.
I think alot of the palestineans wants their own state, with defenite borders, not borders that expands to the Israelis gain over and over...
Yes they hate each other... its an no win situation and i think it always will be...
And that slideshow seems an teeeeeny bit biased... About the map thing in it, it used to be one country where they lived side by side in peace...
I still think Curval hit the nail on the head...
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Originally posted by Dowding
A military buffer zone that just happens to be rapidly filling with Israeli settlements?
I think I've heard it all now.
Yeah, talk about stupid settlers, eh? ;)
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Originally posted by Maniac
I think alot of the palestineans wants their own state, with defenite borders, not borders that expands to the Israelis gain over and over...
Yes they hate each other... its an no win situation and i think it always will be...
And that slideshow seems an teeeeeny bit biased... About the map thing in it, it used to be one country where they lived side by side in peace...
I still think Curval hit the nail on the head...
Biased? Dont' see where it is biased at all. The clearly stated goal of the PLO is the total destructin of Israel. The clearly stated goal of Hamas is the total desturction of Israel. Their maps do not show the state of Israel, or Israel Palestine, and PalIsrael or Israstine. Their maps shows the desired state of Palestine.
Lived side by side in peace? When? Show me some support for that concept. The Palestineans have been fighting Israel since 1948!
Geez, what do you need Maniac, a blow to the head with a sledge hammer. Arafat doesn't want to live in peace with Israel. He and his ilk want to destory Israel.
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Geez, what do you need Maniac, a blow to the head with a sledge hammer.
I knew it would come to this. I wont discuss this further, soon i will be called an anti-semetic also... (the funny part is that both the Israeli people and the Palestinian people are semetic people)
An big portion of the Israelis are extremist and an big portion of the palestinians are extremists...
Have an nice day.
Oh. And did i say that Curval hit the nail on the head?
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Hmmmm ..... the secret to peace in the middle east is to switch support to the Palestinians and help the Arab world wipe out Israel? Peace in our lifetime! Yeaaaah .... riiiiight. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Maniac
I knew it would come to this. I wont discuss this further, soon i will be called an anti-semetic also...
An big portion of the Israelis are extremist and an big portion of the palestinians are extremists...
Have an nice day.
Oh. And did i say that Curval hit the nail on the head?
The possibility of your being an anti-semite never entered my mind. The two sides have diametrically opposed mutually exclusive end game goals. One will survive. The other will perish.