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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: _Schadenfreude_ on May 13, 2003, 12:43:35 PM
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Hi all......am seriously thinking of emmigrating from FA3.5 over to
Aces High and have downloaded and started tinkering offline.
I do have a problem in that my CHpro F16 fighterstick and pedals are not working at the same time - either one or the other will work but not both together.
Any advice on getting Aces to use both pedals and rudder - I want to map buttons etc and get a little practice before I let you all start to kill me..
Schaden
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hi
i have CH f-16 fighter stick Pro pedals and Pro throttle
never gave me problems
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Well I've spent 4 hours trying to get the controllers recognised - must be the worst jstick set I've ever seen - worse than ILFB - is there any such thing as a sysop.
The stick and rudder can be seen but they won't calibrate, rudder is recognised as the throttle and no rudders are available...
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in AH (offline in game) go to setup then joystick
you should see both
select your stick first and set all the buttons (set inputs all or something like that) to your stick.
then select rudder then our pedals then the axis your pedals ue and st that input
you should be able to calibrate and save then
gl
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Jstick is dead and it thinks the pedals (Z axis) is the throttle - throttle is actually the Z axis on the stick....
Have tried to contact hitech but must admit as a first experience
of Aces High it's not a good one.
Thnks for the advice though......
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Under tech support if you do a search on joystick you NINE pages of posts - I would suggest that AH has some serious problems with regard to the support of controllers for this game.
Quite frankly it's crap...
bye all
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I sent you a private EM... see if that helps... If not send an EM to Skuzzy, he'll get you straightened out...
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Under tech support if you do a search on joystick you NINE pages of posts - I would suggest that AH has some serious problems with regard to the support of controllers for this game.
Quite frankly it's crap...
bye all
Did you try to re-assign the axis ?
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If anyone is using a CHpro F16 stick and pedals plse would you email me a copy of yr joystick file - hoping that I might fix the problem that way.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
If anyone is using a CHpro F16 stick and pedals plse would you email me a copy of yr joystick file - hoping that I might fix the problem that way.
USB or analog?
Have you tried calibrating your stick in Windows first to make sure that it's working properly?
Ack-Ack
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Both USB, and yep did calibrate in XP, also deleted Aces High and all files and reinstalled. Aces sees the stick ok but as soon as you try to set up the pedals it goes weird.
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have you installed the CH Control Manager (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_support_usb.html) yet?
I was having trouble with my CH pro peds in winxp until I did..
I had to uninstall AH after I installed the Control Manager software, then reinstall AH
download it here: (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_controlmanager.html)
gl
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Woot upgraded CH COntrol Manager and it worked - needs tweaking very sensitive..thnsk for the help.
Give a week then see you all online.
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as for the profile thingy in ah
i have all my settings(axis) flatlined - no curve up as some do
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I have the same set-up: USB Fighterstick and Pro Pedals - but haven't read the CM doc to see how to program them yet. The key is to have the CM2.0 installed before you install the joystick and pedals. After that was done, I mapped the functions to the hat switch and buttons using the Aces High Joystick calibration screens. I haven't used CM2.0 yet. Eventually I'll map the keyboard through CM2.0 so I can manually trim the 109G10 properly and also use all of the views and hats. ;)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Hi all......am seriously thinking of emmigrating from FA3.5 over to
Aces High and have downloaded and started tinkering offline.
You wont regrete it, FA3.5 isnt a bad game but once you get stuck into Aces High you will wonder why you didnt change over sooner.
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hehe got into the air for the first time and nailed a Bishops Spit in a La7 last night.
Couple of questions though...
1. Are external views available in the main room.
2. Can one change the amount of info available on tags - ie nicks
instead of a/c details
3. Is a tagless environment available and if so does anyone fly in
it - ie no range tag.
FA3's big problem is they cater to the arcade players (called the crayon room by subversives) their advancded flight models are great but when you log on there's like 4 people in advanced and the rest like the relaxed physics with no stalls.
Got to the point where it was just irritating more than fun so have begun shopping around.
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1 No external view in the Main except for bomber (to simulate all the extra crew)
2 with alt-i you can cycle through icon seting (I'm unsure it will answer you questio)
3 alt-I again
No crayon room here :)
have a look to http://www.netaces.org
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
1. Are external views available in the main room.
2. Can one change the amount of info available on tags - ie nicks
instead of a/c details
3. Is a tagless environment available and if so does anyone fly in
it - ie no range tag.
1. No, only for bombers. Someone creating a custom head to head room could enable it for all planes though.
2. You can't see the 'nicks' or handles of the enemies.
3. The Combat Theater arena and special events usually have shorter range distance range for 'tags' or icons, but there are not arenas that have no icons.
Some random tips.
-Set your views by using the arrow keys and pg up/pg down keys, and saving the view with F10. This will give you a decent '6' view.
-Make sure the stall limiter (clipboard/settings/flight) is turned off
As someone said, check out http://www.netaces.org
Welcome to AH
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Hey Eagler, you get rid of your X45? I just picked one of those up and have been reading your tips on how to configure it properly. Did you ever get used to using the rudder on the throttle lever? If I can get the rotating knobs and mouse pointer working, it will all be worth it whether I get used to the rudder or not. Next product for me is CH Peddles.
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Originally posted by tracerx
Hey Eagler, you get rid of your X45? I just picked one of those up and have been reading your tips on how to configure it properly. Did you ever get used to using the rudder on the throttle lever? If I can get the rotating knobs and mouse pointer working, it will all be worth it whether I get used to the rudder or not. Next product for me is CH Peddles.
still have the X45 combo with ch pro peds
my rotors work - go to X45 (http://www.pogbird.com/X45) for a profile = cept you'll have to set the rudder back to the throttle
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Managed to get stick and views working - thanks for the help - could someone explain how padlock works in AH - my sa is lousy at the moment.
Previous padlocks would padlock onto nme or friendly in range and then you could cycle through the various pads to obtain a sa picture.
Do I have to first have sight of a bandit or friendly to padlock?
Pointers would be appreciated.
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I hate Padlock myself, tho I know a number of folks who swear by it. I think it limits your view too much.... I have enough trouble with "target fixation" as it is ! :D
To use it....these are the default settings.... F11 will put you in the "mode" hit F11 when you have the "icon" you want to lock on in view. will center the icon, will cycle thru the targets, and will toggle friendlies on and off.
If you have trouble with SA, this won't help, but it will make it easier to "ignore" other cons as they enter your range :) Not being a "super Ace" like some of these other guys you can take my opinion with a grain of salt ;) , I think getting use to checking your views every 3 seconds...even in a fight would be a great way to fly.... especially in the main arena! Heck it only took me a year to finally turn off tracers!!! LOL!!! hit percentage is up 2X LOL!!
Maddog Joe
(http://webpages.charter.net/maddogjoe/444th3.jpg)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Previous padlocks would padlock onto nme or friendly in range and then you could cycle through the various pads to obtain a sa picture.
Do I have to first have sight of a bandit or friendly to padlock?
Pointers would be appreciated.
You need to have sight of a bandit or friendly to padlock it. AH padlock does not find planes for you, keep track of more than one plane at a time, and will break off if your view of the target becomes obscured.
I don't use AH padlock and I suspect that around 0% of the top pilots here use it.
Things you can do to help your SA:
1. Adjust your views with the arrow keys and pg up, pg down, save your adjusted views with F10. This will give you a decent 6 view in most fighters.
2. If you have an extra button, set a key to 'forward view' or 8. With this button pressed, adjust the view as above. Now you have an alternate forward view to peek around the cockpit frame.
3. Set the engine sound for other planes louder than your plane.
4. If radar is working, use ins and del to zoom in the map close and look at dots, but remember that at low alt enemy planes lose their radar icon.
5. Use the force.
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Hey Eagler, I downloaded the DAT file and the PSI file. I can view the dat file in the saitek profile editor, but how do I use them? I imagine I have to save them somewhere in the AH directory?
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Originally posted by tracerx
Hey Eagler, I downloaded the DAT file and the PSI file. I can view the dat file in the saitek profile editor, but how do I use them? I imagine I have to save them somewhere in the AH directory?
while you have it open in the editor, go to file save then browse to ur saitek software directory (C:\Program Files\Saitek\Software) and save it there.
then before you start into AH, right click on the Saitek icon in the right corner tool bar & choose the AH profile. Then start up AH and the profile should kick in
this is the way it works in WinXP
my win98 is using an older software setup which automatically loads the profile depending on the game
gl
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Im glad your a dedicated browser Eagler!. I have done something similar to that and the rotary dials did not function the way I thought they would. I will follow your directions exactly and let you know.
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Eagler, I have everything working but the rotary knobs. The profile launcher does not seem to be effective. As soon as I launch the profile, my mouse wiggs out (I think it only accepts mouse inputs from the joystick) and so I cannot launch AH after launching the profile. I have tried opening AH then launching the profile (alt-tabbed out of AH and launched), but the Joystick Inputs stay the same, default settings I suppose. The Joystick selection page in AH Stick Setup recognizes Rotary 1 and V-Axis as the two rotary switches. This does not allow stick maping very well. I will continue to work on this one. Maybe I can bump into you online, and I can describe it better.
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Thanks for the advice all - am up and running.
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tracerx, you using XP I guess
Yes the profile has to be launched before you start AH
I use a MS Optical Intellimouse usb and so not have an issue with it. My profile does not have a mouse function in it. The "mouse" on the throttle is used as a hat switch.
Maybe look/print out my settings, and start with a new profile, adding commmands one at a time til you find the one which hoses up ur mouse
gl
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Thanks for the advice all - am up and running.
Quite frankly, it's not such crap after all is it?
;)
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Actually it is - no sysops and another player offered a solution not any staffers.
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Zone Sys-ops are just players being made official helpers, no? who cares if you had to get help from other players, just show that it's a friendly *cough* community that doesn't have to be paid to be helpful.
Official staff are normally good on helping, but this forum is for "Advice and help on getting better at Aces High.", and since there are lots of players that are better virtual pilots than the HTC-staff, they just leave it to the player-base to answer in here.
If you ever get any technical or especially connection problems, post in those forum and usually Skuzzy will be there to help you.
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Eagler, I am running Win98 OS. I created a new profile without the mouse curser and mouse buttons and then I was able to launch the profile followed by AH. The result however was the same I think. I have been able to use the rotary switches as throttle for engines 1 and 2 (pretty cool in a P38), but I would like to use them for zoom in and out or Trim. Do you use the Stick mapping, and joystick selection features in AH setup menu to program functions after you start Aces High? I have not seen any connection between the settings I put in the Profile editor and the functions available after I launch AH. AH seems to ignore the profile. :confused:
By the way, I can set up one rotary switch to zoom in, and one to zoom out, but I can't get one rotary switch to zoom in and out depending on the way you turn the rotor. It is the same with trim. It seems that you did get this to work, what am I missing?
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have to check my win98 profile when i get home
which software are you using for it? a SST version?
in win98 the profile point to the AH exe and activates when AH starts
in WinXP I'm using a newer profile program which has to be told which profile to use before I start AH.
as for the rotor for zoom ( I use the hat on the upper left of stick for zoom - up is "Z" zoom, back is normal view, while in "Z" zoom right zooms in and left zooms out) - I'd think you'd have to active zoom with a button, then break the rotor into three bands - top band being "]" - bottom band being "[" and middle being no command
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I am using the Win98 drivers and Profile Software from Saitek's website. Is SST a Saitek version? I am sure I am using the latest regular drivers, are you suggesting that I request some special drivers? I have heard that even Saitek has some alternate drivers that you can obtain by writing to the company.
I see how you split the bands in the Profile Editor, and I can do that, but AH doesn't seem to see the two 'ends' of the bands as separate buttons.
What does the .PSI file do? Is that used along with the .DAT file for anything? Maybe I need to put it in a specific directory?
Thanks for your help and patience.
Sorry everyone else, it seems I have hijacked this thread. You will be returnd to your normal topic as soon as I gain full functionality of my joystick. :p
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Actually it is - no sysops and another player offered a solution not any staffers.
HTC is a small, hard working group Schadenfreude...which keeps the overhead and cost down. No need for sysops...there's plenty of folks willing to lend a hand...as you've already seen first hand here.
DmdMax
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tracerx
Seems I'm using the SST from the Saitek website for WinXp while when i boot into win98 I'm using Saiteks older SGE software (from older X45 CD rom). I found the 2.3 and 3.0 versions of this older software here:
http://www.killerb.com/dambusters/index.jsp?page=dbfsrsrc
(bottom of page)
You may want to try that if you can't get the SST ver to work 100% in Win98
the PSI profile file is what you import into Saitek if you are using the SGE software
the DAT profile file is what you import into Saitek if you are using the SST stuff
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I see yr point regarding sysops - where I came from sysops where non paid volunteers - no overheads - it's just that they are recognisable if you need help.
Am enjoying dipping my toe in - started to get regular kills......and have learnt the imortance of good stick mapping!!
Are there any teasers out in terms of plane lists or screenshots for the new build - am missing the Yak3!!
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Shaden,
I am also considering moving over to AH from FA3.5, will check the new patch first. I did fly in here a short time before but decided to stay in FA beacuse of my squad m8s.
I did start using Padlock, as we do in FA, and it works very well if you know what you do. People in here does not normally use it and doesnt see the advantage but i have to say that for me it was the difference between live or die. I logged quite a few kills because it imporved my SA 50%. Saying that people in here are quite good. What i do not like is that there are no sides as we are used to in FA. I really like the counties in FA. Plane modeling is great in here but also miss the outside views.
AH2 seems to be interesting especially the ToD concept even if i do not 100% understand it yet.
Good luck
Cheers
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Are there any teasers out in terms of plane lists or screenshots for the new build - am missing the Yak3!!
You might check the BB section:
Aces High II: Tour of Duty
As for trainer sysops, give a look in the training arena for a squadmate, Ren. He was an AWAR trainer in Air Warrior Mac and AWIII ...and is a darned good stick. You might also run across Ghosth, who runs the show over there.
DmdMax
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Hiya Zip - am thinking of starting a squad - Lost Lambs of FA - nick
Mint_Sauce...hehe
Couple of guys said to me that the padlock isn't that great and it's easier to use your j/stick hat to flick around and follow close quarters - took a while but am managing it now.
The whole country thing is weirding me out a bit - I also preferred the historical countries and for some reason the historical room - Guadalcanal map - where I've spent most of my time is very under populated.
I also miss the external views - whats the point of good graphics and nice paint jobs if you can't see them - not that I think the cockpit view should change - I like the forward view not having an invisible cockpit - stops those silly 90 degree deflection shots.
All in all am impressed with AH - prefer it over WB3 which I was also trying - not enough numbers there - will be subbing when my two weeks trial is up.
I still have questions - how the hell do you get the mic to work?? or make tanks go forward?? and bombing?? er which button drops the things?
Fun to be a newb again and give some people the occaisonal surpise.
Schaden
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
I still have questions - how the hell do you get the mic to work?? or make tanks go forward?? and bombing?? er which button drops the things?
Schaden
Mic--use "T" and F12(range) to activate mic.
Unlike the PT where you use the throttle, you need to push the j/stick forward to make a tank (or any other GV) go and shift thru the gears.
For bombing, "o" opens the doors and "b" drops 'em. To hit anything tho, you'll need to read this:
http://216.91.192.19/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57667&highlight=bombing
which goes into much detail about how to hit anything in a level bomber.
h
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All in all am impressed with AH - prefer it over WB3 which I was also trying - not enough numbers there - will be subbing when my two weeks trial is up.
I still have questions - how the hell do you get the mic to work?? or make tanks go forward?? and bombing?? er which button drops the things?
Fun to be a newb again and give some people the occaisonal surpise.
I am at work... so from memory.
You will have to key map the mic. For channel and range. Bring up your clipboard, then go to stickmapping. Channel will be for the "V" or voice channel. If you tune 120 then anyone on 120 should hear you. Range is for anyone within a certain distance that is friendly. Not sure how far that is to be honest.
Tanks go forward by: Starting the engine, "e" key. Then "Q" to shift up and "W" to shift down. :)
To bomb open your bomb bay doors "O" Oh key not the zero. Then it should be your number secondary button on your stick to drop the bombs.
Hope that helps. Hope you get a squad started or join one you come to enjoy. If you like historical stuff try the Squad Operations/TOD's on Friday or Sunday. Snapshots on Wednesday and Thursday, CAP events on Saturday. :D
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Hiya Zip - am thinking of starting a squad - Lost Lambs of FA - nick
Mint_Sauce...hehe
Couple of guys said to me that the padlock isn't that great and it's easier to use your j/stick hat to flick around and follow close quarters - took a while but am managing it now.
The whole country thing is weirding me out a bit - I also preferred the historical countries and for some reason the historical room - Guadalcanal map - where I've spent most of my time is very under populated.
I also miss the external views - whats the point of good graphics and nice paint jobs if you can't see them - not that I think the cockpit view should change - I like the forward view not having an invisible cockpit - stops those silly 90 degree deflection shots.
All in all am impressed with AH - prefer it over WB3 which I was also trying - not enough numbers there - will be subbing when my two weeks trial is up.
I still have questions - how the hell do you get the mic to work?? or make tanks go forward?? and bombing?? er which button drops the things?
Fun to be a newb again and give some people the occaisonal surpise.
Schaden
Check back in the Combat Theater (CT) room as it changes scenerios every Friday
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Yes of course the CT! Duh!
Sorry CT.. the place I fly 80% of the time. Numbers are nothing near the MA, but if you like the classic match your set.
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In CT is there anywhere that you can check what the next week or month's scenario will be?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
In CT is there anywhere that you can check what the next week or month's scenario will be?
Try the CT forums. I think they usually post which maps they plan on running.
Ack-Ack