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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Martlet on May 13, 2003, 03:48:04 PM
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It's funny how all these guys: dowding, miko, straffo, blitch, etc that all stood on their soapboxes, claiming to not hate america, that they were just against the war, have moved onto other anti american topics. Once the war publicity peters out, it's time to find something else to cry about.
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one day you shall understand that your PERFECT country is NOT so perfect.....
yet here you are squeaking about everyone else's country(France).....but you don't accept a little critizism about your own.....yet if they do....you automatically brand em anti-american
cry me a river sheep herder.....
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SLO
Who ever said the United States was perfect, I know we have had black marks in our past.
What is anoying is everytime someone tries to stand up and say I love the gold old US of A, he get smacked by a bunch of nay sayers who want to tell him how much of a ignorant ******* he is cause the USA sucks.
They are up here.
Hey I know you guys across the pond get it too, maybe we should just relax, and when I guy praises his country let him, you wana talk crap about the country do it in your own thread.
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Slo,
Its getting old, dont bite on the bate....
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Originally posted by SLO
one day you shall understand that your PERFECT country is NOT so perfect.....
yet here you are squeaking about everyone else's country(France).....but you don't accept a little critizism about your own.....yet if they do....you automatically brand em anti-american
cry me a river sheep herder.....
One day you'll understand that we know about our country just fine and don't need your slant or views or commentary 24/7 even though you can't help it due to compulsive insecurity issues. ;)
Ohhhh ... Canadaaaaaaaa
our source of hockey playerrrrrssssss
their main export
enhance the sport
south of the borderrrrrr
And in returrrrnnnnn
fast food, cars , tv shows
we keep you safe, your only threat is an uprising of eskimos
AAaaaaaaa ...... meeeeeeen
:D
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Originally posted by Maniac
Slo,
Its getting old, dont bite on the bate....
He can't help it Nr-1 :D he hates America.....
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Originally posted by Martlet
...it's time to find something else to cry about.
When Bill Clinton was president, were you an 'America Hater' also?
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ach 'n tup
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"... it's time to find something else to cry about." - Martlet
There's an idea...
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I think there are several what you might call cultural misunderstandings here. A certain amount of S**t stirring and a bit of rhetoric.
Without claiming to be an expert. I would see it as follows. In America and to some extent in other new countries like Australia and even Canada sometimes there seems to be a need to express your nationalism. It is particularly prevalent in the USA. I think perhaps of neccessity. For such a big and diverse country to stay together there has to something to pull it all together. It nearly fell apart during the civil war and history might have been very different if the South managed to secede from the North.
I saw this when I first went to America. I used to get a lift every morning to flight school from a young guy, Andy, a fascinating character. He was very patriotic. I thought he was a walking talking American cliche. He drove a Camry but owned a Mustang and kept a picture of it and of his girlfriend on the dash of the Camry. One day he told me he had written a song which he had taped. Would I like to hear it? Sure, so he played it. It was country style and essentially it expressed his love of America.
I was torn between laughing at the song and it's sentiments and feeling touched that he would share it with me and being impressed at the pride he had in his country.
The reason being that in most countries, particularly cynical Europe you really don't have to express your love of country and sing songs about it. You just are who you are, you don't have to express it. I can trace my family name back a thousand years. I am of this country as much as the hills, lakes and the rain is. I'm just part of it.
If I went around expressing my love of country, people would look at me suspiciously and think I was some sort of fascist with some justification. That's the way it is in most old countries. You wear your identity lightly and really only become aware of it when you go abroad or meet a foreigner. In fact you are far more likely to express pride in your locality or county than country. You may love or hate your country but it's as much a part of you as your hand and you never really leave it behind no matter far you travel.
It's different in America, a nation of immigrants often with little in common except a dream of bettering themselves. They are not of the land and it has few marks of history. Even the oldest settlement is a new town compared to Europe. It's still a country in transition. Something has to keep it together. So pride in your flag, the country's achievements, the freedom and all the rest are emphasised. Being American seems to be something you have to work on and anybody can be American if they believe hard enough. Expressing your pride is encouraged. I used to wonder why cops and other uniformed workers has US flag patches on their arm when they never left the country. In other countries you woild only wear your national flag if you were going abroad. In America you wear the flag to express your pride. In most countries you would be regarded as strange if you flew your national flag in the garden outside of national celebrations. In the USA it's common and normal. Now I know you don't all get up every morning, salute the flag, sing the Star Spangled banner and read passages from the constitution to the kids before breakfast. But I betcha you know someone who does?
Now that's all fine and great. I like the idea of it and in fact I like America very much, it's people.
But what does annoy me and a few others here is when it goes too far. The 'my country's great and yours sucks' mentality. That will annoy me every time even when it's not my country being slated. Half the time to be fair the reason is that someone had a go at America fairly or unfairly. America is not perfect and it's foreign policy is often unpopular but it's the most powerful country in the world and everyone but everyone has an opinion on it. It's fair game for criticism. We've seen the battles here and elsewhere.
Criticising America is not neccessarily anti American. I do it and I tend to be pro American. Americans do it too. It's part of deal.
So given the above, when Nuke or someone puts up a picture of a Space Shuttle and says 'Ain't we great' it's often interpreted as a veiled attack on every other country. (Which knowing Nuke it probably is). But it is probably as much a defensive gesture from an American feeling under appreciated and under attack and even a genuine expression of national pride.
On the other hand the French may have been feeling the heat of US vitriol of late. But I think you might find it washes over them in a way that Americans don't fully understand. They know it will die down and Paris will be flooded with US tourists so the Parisiens can go back to being rude to them in person again. Not just Americans I might add, Parisiens are rude to everyone.
So that is my attempt at some kind of 'entente cordial'. You now understand where both sides are coming from which is good.
Now we can get back to attacking each other. Let the games begin!
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(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/images/img_windowsxp.gif)
Ain't we great?
(I'm working on building up credit here)
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Well said cpxx!
I think it goes a long way in explaining Martlet's avater, for example, and why I think it's perhaps the goofiest thing I've ever seen. :D
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Yet .... your ... avatar .... still ......
Wha?
Oh yes ... yours still ......
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Originally posted by Montezuma
When Bill Clinton was president, were you an 'America Hater' also?
I voted for Clinton both times, and I was on Gore's steering committee. How does that fit into your rhetoric?
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so, what makes an avatar goofy? The fact that I consistently expose your propaganda? Is a flag goofy? A car? Bouncing tits?
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Originally posted by Martlet
so, what makes an avatar goofy? The fact that I consistently expose your propaganda? Is a flag goofy? A car? Bouncing tits?
A kid farting flames out his ass?
You voted clinton over bush sr? Everytime I add 2+2 in here I get 5.
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Nash:
I was going to bash something or someone, but after watching those girls, I can't remember what everyone was bickering about.
They are amazing, "her body is a wonderland" :D
Thorns
P.S. Oh Yeah...oh nevermind. God bless America!
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Originally posted by Sixpence
A kid farting flames out his ass?
You voted clinton over bush sr? Everytime I add 2+2 in here I get 5.
At the time, I was SF military and ticked at Bush for not finishing the job in Iraq, so I voted for Clinton. Then Clinton screwed us in Somalia, but there wasn't really a better choice, so I voted for him again. Then, I thought (and still think) GW didn't know squat about foreign policy, so I voted for Gore. However, GW impressed me with his hard nose stance, and by putting the right people in the right jobs.
I'd vote for him tomorrow if it was election time.
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Originally posted by Martlet
How does that fit into your rhetoric?
So why are people America Haters for disagreeing with Bush's policies?
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Nice post cpxxx I couldn't have done it even thinking the same.
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Well put cpxxx.
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"so, what makes an avatar goofy? The fact that I consistently expose your propaganda?" - Martlet
Gosh Martlet, why, that's exactly the reason!
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In the USA it's common and normal. Now I know you don't all get up every morning, salute the flag, sing the Star Spangled banner and read passages from the constitution to the kids before breakfast. But I betcha you know someone who does?
no i dont know anyone who has ever done that to there kids,,lol that is somthing they make ya do at ceremony or school,,thats not what any americans i know of do every day,,,and your lucky too find a flag in some one's homes,,we love are country,,but most of us dont worship it like a god,,and i dont know one house that gots a picture of any president hanging on there walls<~~thats a rare accurance
in every country you will run into a person that feals alot of passion for there home,,and feals every othere country sucks,,lol,,i think you got a good point and great view of things cpxxx
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cpxxx
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Martlet has a point, and many Americans on this BBS can see this anti-Americanism easily, but hey, we have bigger noodle's, bigger cars, better women, better paying jobs, its NO WONDER you're all envious of us...why, if I was a Finn or a Brit, I'd hate me too! :D
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Rip... we have more hair :)
(sorry, couldn't resist :D)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Rip... we have more hair :)
(sorry, couldn't resist :D)
Only because you're not rubbing it off on the head board of the bed, good buddy! ;) (http://smilies.crowd9.com/contrib/tweetz/hump.gif)
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when I was in england there were british flags everywhere... I know those buildings weren't going anywhere... that would be like london bridge moving to Arizona or something... and, england is kinda old.
nash... did you ever reply to my questions of a month or so ago?
lazs
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Ripsnort: why, if I was a Finn or a Brit, I'd hate me too! :D
Besides paying exorbitant taxes for their own socialist states, United Kingdom subcidises US consumption at the rate of about $8 billion a year and Finland at about $2 billion a year.
On the other hand, that "foreing aid" corrupts our country and destroys its productivity as surely as our foreign aid corrupts and destroys the productivity of african countries.
Maybe they really do hate us and try to smother us with goods, the insidious bastards... :rolleyes:
miko
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what I find funny.....
most on these boards are american.....
1 non-american post and 30 americans jump on em callin em america hater.......
problem is yes this is an american board...but it has an international audience.....I think its the international you don't seem to understand.....
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:D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Only because you're not rubbing it off on the head board of the bed, good buddy! ;) (http://smilies.crowd9.com/contrib/tweetz/hump.gif)
sorry me bad anglish ,isn't rubbing comming from rubber ?
wtf do you put a condom on yer heard ?
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Do you mutton heads even read the post? Who said anything about being an american hater for disagreeing with Bush's policies?
I was extremely specific, but I'll put it in a 3rd grade reading level so Montezuma and Maniac can understand it.
That list of people whined and cried about the US oppressers. At the same time, they claimed to like the US, they were just against the war.
The same people whine about Afghanistan, Israel, our imports, our taxes, our legislators going AWOL, etc. It's a consistent pattern of jumping on any anti-American bandwagon.
I hate France. I hate it's leader. I hate most of it's ignorant, snotty population. I laugh at the Maginot line. I think their treatment of Ralph Fralick in Hanoi sums up there general disposition. As a race, they are infamously obdurate.
I call it like I see it. Overtly.
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As a race, they are infamously obdurate.
Sieg Heil!
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Originally posted by Maniac
Sieg Heil!
I knew you had some Nazi in you. Typical.
The sad thing is, you know I have you pegged exactly. Therefore, it's easier to avoid the statement, and hope no one else notices.
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I hate London,
I hate France.
I hate wearing
Underpants. :D
Well, say what you want about the USA, but I'm on the road today from Sacramento to Rohnert Park to Mendocino County through Lake County and back to Sacramento. The recent rains have made everything so green, the wildflowers are out and the grape vines are just beginning to sprout.
The only thing from making it a perfect day is that I can't find Little Feat's version of "This Land Is My Land" on KaZaA to listen to on my trip around the lake.
Everybody have a great day and try to be civil.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I hate London,
I hate France.
I hate wearing
Underpants. :D
Well, say what you want about the USA, but I'm on the road today from Sacramento to Rohnert Park to Mendocino County through Lake County and back to Sacramento. The recent rains have made everything so green, the wildflowers are out and the grape vines are just beginning to sprout.
The only thing from making it a perfect day is that I can't find Little Feat's version of "This Land Is My Land" on KaZaA to listen to on my trip around the lake.
Everybody have a great day and try to be civil.
I think spring is my favorite time of year. It still amazes me how things that appear to be dead all winter just "come to life".
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Originally posted by Martlet
I think spring is my favorite time of year. It still amazes me how things that appear to be dead all winter just "come to life".
Especially in California. We have a three week period where everything's green, then it all turns brown. Well, it all turns golden if you believe the California Tourism Board, but brown or gold it's all just dead weeds.
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Just pop in "Waiting for Columbus"... best live album ever made.
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I could disable the ignore filter - this sounds like an interesting thread.
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Originally posted by Dowding
I could disable the ignore filter - this sounds like an interesting thread.
I love it when people SAY they are ignoring you, but aren't really. Like Straffo did. Dowding claims to be ignoring, but he's too into it to really do it.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I hate London,
I hate France.
I hate wearing
Underpants. :D
Well, say what you want about the USA, but I'm on the road today from Sacramento to Rohnert Park to Mendocino County through Lake County and back to Sacramento. The recent rains have made everything so green, the wildflowers are out and the grape vines are just beginning to sprout.
The only thing from making it a perfect day is that I can't find Little Feat's version of "This Land Is My Land" on KaZaA to listen to on my trip around the lake.
Everybody have a great day and try to be civil.
mmmmmm..... sun, lake, good day...... Sounds like all the necessary ingrediants for a good day of fishing :D
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grow up
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I think Martlet is JEALOUS of the French......
why?...you ask.....:p
he surely seems too talk alot about em.....:D
let me ask you a question martlet.....
do you dream about the French?:D
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Et après tu vas lui demander si il aime les films de gladiateur ?
;)
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Originally posted by SLO
I think Martlet is JEALOUS of the French......
why?...you ask.....:p
he surely seems too talk alot about em.....:D
let me ask you a question martlet.....
do you dream about the French?:D
HAHAHA, good one. What in the world do the French have for me to be jealous of? I can't think of a single thing.
Stop trying to pin your jealousy on me.
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Originally posted by Martlet
It's funny how all these guys: dowding, miko, straffo, blitch, etc that all stood on their soapboxes, claiming to not hate america, that they were just against the war, have moved onto other anti american topics. Once the war publicity peters out, it's time to find something else to cry about.
Hey marti, please don't whine or i'll start to cry.
Get your government back in line of civilisation and ill stop critizising it :D
Regards Blitz
Wanted, dead or alive: The BTO = Bush Terrorist Organizazion
Cut them if they stand and shoot them if they run :D
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Hey Blitzy, more mass graves found by that "Bush Terrorist Organization", dang them! They just keep uncovering the truth in Iraq! ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3022281.stm
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Originally posted by blitz
Hey marti, please don't whine or i'll start to cry.
Get your government back in line of civilisation and ill stop critizising it :D
Regards Blitz
Wanted, dead or alive: The BTO = Bush Terrorist Organizazion
Cut them if they stand and shoot them if they run :D
Find a new song and dance. That one has been proven false already.
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Just remember blitz. Auschwitz is in Germany, not Washington DC or Iraq.
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Just remember blitz. Auschwitz is in Germany, not Washington DC or Iraq.
Actually to be pedantic, it's in Poland. But let's not quibble over geography. We know what you mean.
Martlet, In a funny way the French are just like some Americans. Except for one detail. American might think they are better than everyone else. They French know THEY are and really don't care what anyone else thinks about them. The French are often accused of arrogance. One Frenchman's reply to that was 'Yes we are, so what?' LOL.
Sometimes I think they have a point. I have to admire the French for that.
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Originally posted by blue1
Actually to be pedantic, it's in Poland. But let's not quibble over geography. We know what you mean.
Martlet, In a funny way the French are just like some Americans. Except for one detail. American might think they are better than everyone else. They French know THEY are and really don't care what anyone else thinks about them. The French are often accused of arrogance. One Frenchman's reply to that was 'Yes we are, so what?' LOL.
Sometimes I think they have a point. I have to admire the French for that.
The Germans thought they are better than every1 one else 2.
They were? America is? Any country is?
Regards Blitz
Get the BTO :D
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Originally posted by Yeager
Just remember blitz. Auschwitz is in Germany, not Washington DC or Iraq.
Lol, read some history books at least :D
Regards Blitz
btw Where is Guatanamo Bay ?
America was threatened by Iraq in no way but they have lots of oil :D
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Originally posted by blitz
The Germans thought they are better than every1 one else 2.
They were? America is? Any country is?
Regards Blitz
Get the BTO :D
Hey Blitz, how'd ya get the "on probation" moniker?
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There is only one possible outcome for a thread started in the manner this was started, and that is to simply stir up anger.
Threads like this are completely counter-productive and need to disappear.