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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Emptygun26 on May 14, 2003, 09:25:19 AM
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I have noticed in the past few months alot of un-rest here. Lots of ppl frustrated with the lack of info from HTC, about AH2. Lets get it clear, I am not flaming anyone, or bashing anyone. I am simply pointing out what I have saw.
I can understand if HTC is busy, I have my own business to, and I know how it can be. There is so much that comes with that fed tax id number. I can understand how much work it is to upgrade somthing. To offer somthing better, and hopefully keep ppl walking though the doors. In there case logging on.
That being said, if I say "I am going to add two more ranges" (being that I own an indoor pistol range) and one of my customers asks "so how are those two ranges comming along?" I should give that customer an anwser.
No, I dont have to, but if I keep saying this, that, and the other is getting done, yet I have nothing to show for it. My customers may start to question my business practices. So much so they my move on to a bigger better gun range due to the lack of intrest in my older smaller range. Add on the fact I said there would be an upgrade and yet I have nothing to show for it, and ppl will get frustrated.
I love this game, its great. Hell I dont need a whole new game, just a few more planes, and I will be happy for quite awhile. However I think HTC has a an oblagation to its customers. We are what keeps things flowing there. So you are in the customer service business, and part of that is anwsering to your customers request's.
Empty Gun
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oh BBBB are u create another BB account? what for?;)
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This was my first account, I still have the BBBB one.
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In my business I've got to give regualr updates to customers(Manufacturing Engineering) if not- I'm out of business. I think maybe something is wrong with AHII. I read about this great new system for doing terrains while min. the size of the memory footprint. Pyro said- Screenies of the terrain will be out shortly- that was many months ago. I can only believe that something is wrong.
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Originally posted by Furious
THE SKY IS FALLLING!!!...
Is it me or does every thread like this go off topic in the first 3 posts? :confused:
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Originally posted by Kevin14
Is it me or does every thread like this go off topic in the first 3 posts? :confused:
I guess they think its funny :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by WldThing
I guess they think its funny :rolleyes:
It is funny.
Foot stamping is always funny.
Foot stamping about a video game is down right hilarious.
...as is your profound use of that fabulous rolling eye emoticon. Clever beasty.
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Originally posted by Furious
...as is your profound use of that fabulous rolling eye emoticon. Clever beasty.
And how clever is your quote "Sky is falling"? Is that the best comment you could come up with? Grow Up..
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Originally posted by WldThing
And how clever is your quote "Sky is falling"? Is that the best comment you could come up with? Grow Up..
It was pretty damn clever.
I am grown up.
Comiserate with the "chicken little's" as much as you please, but don't expect me not to laugh at them and you.
...and I am laughing.
F.
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What's so funny about customers interested in product information prior purchase?
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This is whats funny.
Originally posted by Empty Gun
...but if I keep saying this, that, and the other is getting done, yet I have nothing to show for it. My customers may start to question my business practices. So much so they my move on to a bigger better gun range due to the lack of intrest in my older smaller range. Add on the fact I said there would be an upgrade and yet I have nothing to show for it, and ppl will get frustrated...
Originally posted by MoMoney
...I think maybe something is wrong with AHII. I read about this great new system for doing terrains while min. the size of the memory footprint. Pyro said- Screenies of the terrain will be out shortly- that was many months ago. I can only believe that something is wrong....
Requests for information are valid. Veiled threats and baseless insinuations when applied to a video game are nothing but funny. Well maybe a little sad too, but mostly funny.
F.
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Originally posted by Furious
Requests for information are valid. Veiled threats and baseless insinuations when applied to a video game are nothing but funny. Well maybe a little sad too, but mostly funny.
Well your the only one laughing.. So thats pretty sad..
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But how do you stop baseless insinuations if you are not providing any information?
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Originally posted by WldThing
Well your the only one laughing.. So thats pretty sad..
Golly-geen, you are a quick wit. I am sorry I ever crossed foils with the likes of you. Take my sincerest apologies, for I shall never darken your BBS experience again.
I am laughing at you. You know that, right?
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Originally posted by acetnt
But how do you stop baseless insinuations if you are not providing any information?
Do you know what a circular arguement is?
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Originally posted by Furious
This is whats funny.
Requests for information are valid. Veiled threats and baseless insinuations when applied to a video game are nothing but funny. Well maybe a little sad too, but mostly funny.
F.
After reading through both my post and MoMoney's post I have failed to locate the "Veiled threats" that you speak of. Are you sure you're ok? This is just basic reading comprehension. Now after reading the entire thread again, I have noticed that you seem to have a complex about ppl asking questions, and your responses to the matter, have led me to think you have some social issues.
Emptygun
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Originally posted by Furious
Golly-geen, you are a quick wit. I am sorry I ever crossed foils with the likes of you. Take my sincerest apologies, for I shall never darken your BBS experience again.
O no you’ve merely enlighten me once again proving how many imbeciles roam our BBS.
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Originally posted by Emptygun26
After reading through both my post and MoMoney's post I have failed to locate the "Veiled threats" that you speak of. Are you sure you're ok? This is just basic reading comprehension. Now after reading the entire thread again, I have noticed that you seem to have a complex about ppl asking questions, and your responses to the matter, have led me to think you have some social issues.
Emptygun
Pay attention, 'cause you wrote it:
...So much so they my move on to a bigger better gun range...
You hope that HTC will respond to save their customers from fleeing, and MoMoney hopes they will post to prove nothing is wrong. These are the tactics children use. Coming from adult video game addicts it's immensely funny.
You guys are lots of fun. Are you having as much fun as I am? I certainly hope so.
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Originally posted by WldThing
O no you’ve merely enlighten me once again proving how many imbeciles roam our BBS.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Furious
Thanks.
My Pleasure.
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Originally posted by Furious
It is funny.
Foot stamping is always funny.
Foot stamping about a video game is down right hilarious.
Inquiring about a product I pay $180.00 a year for I do not consider foot stamping over a video game. Not anwering a question about your product in ANY business is taboo. I mean, if you make a special place on the BB for an update and then refuse to field any info, you should expect such a reaction. It's this kind of arrogance that has made up my mind about the product. I hope it improves. See ya in Q3.
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I am willing to give HTC a chance, if things are going wrong int he office with the software or whatever I can understand that. If AH2 is going to be delayed, or put off all together that would be fine with me to. Simply update what you already have on the table. HTC already has a game that works, so I would just upgrade it alittle bit. Add some new planes, like the P61 Black Widow, B25, B24, Perk B29. Add things like other models of the P38, maybe diffrent weapon load outs. Hell even things like changing the paint on some of the planes we already have would give ppl the feeling of a new plane, even if it isnt. That is one of the big reasions I keep going back to the CT arena. The paint jobs give the planes a diffrent feeling.
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I think a lot of people probably feel as you do Emptygun.
I've noticed the board gets kind of rancorous after a couple of months with no updates, news, or screenshots. And the next update is still 3-6 months away, IF it stays on schedule. I know I'd appreciate a progress report, or a screenshot that conveys just how much better AH2 will be over the original.
If people are interpreting HTC's silence as arrogance then I'd say they have a problem on their hands. Maybe they're just kind of tired of and burned out dealing with the community?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
See ya in Q3.
BOOO!!!!!!
Quake Dweeb!
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Originally posted by oboe
I If people are interpreting HTC's silence as arrogance then I'd say they have a problem on their hands. Maybe they're just kind of tired of and burned out dealing with the community?
Once your burned out with your paying customers, you've taken the first step toward going out of business.
There are days I hate my clients, but I still have to call them if I want to keep them, and the fees they pay me.
SImply put, you have an obligation to the customer, whether it be in technical support, or general product updates.
When you begin faltering at this, it will be easy for a competitor to start gaining market share from your client base.
Personally, a short update as to what the overall status of AH2 would satisfy me. Anything more is a bonus.
Also, did they not say AH2 would be out in the 3rd quarter? Thats about 2 weeks away. So if they are on time, this release could be out anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months, 2 weeks.
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My mistake, muckmaw. You are right - 3Q begins in June. Holy cats, we know very little about a product that could be rolled out in as little as two weeks!
I have to think HTC is not even close to a rollout though. My guess is we'll get a preview at the Con.
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Sounds like 2 weeks, is out of the picture. Proly the same goes for 2 months.
Originally posted by Pyro
I'm sorry. I bogged down on it because I couldn't definitively answer many of the questions and time has flown by. I will get back on it now. It's still very difficult for us to comment on certain specifics because we haven't got to them yet. Development to this stage has been mostly core level tech stuff. That will change as we move out of the rough construction and into the finer pieces and we'll have stuff to show and discuss in depth. It's been a bit awkward but that will change to a crescendo as move into the latter stages of development.
-in responce to lack of updates.
Keep in mind in march we were told two weeks we would have updates, I really hope the updates dont take that long to put up this time.
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Hey EmptyGun, could you email me with regards to your range?
gcorn1@telus.net
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I do not know where you all get June as the start of the 3Q. Try July as the start of the 3Q and Sept 30 as the end of the quarter. We have six weeks to 18 weeks to wait
Patience is a virtue.
I love the BBS I read it just for the laughs ;) :p
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Originally posted by Gman
Hey EmptyGun, could you email me with regards to your range?
gcorn1@telus.net
We are located in Battle Creek MI. Right now I am in Maryland, I am still in the Army so I am here doing some training. Anyways we have 8 lanes, 75 ft deep, and 6 ft wide. We have an automatic recovery system, so you will not have to walk down to recover your targets. We allow all pistol rnds .22 short up to .50AE. We do not allow sub guns. We can, we shoot shotguns back there, as well as MP5s and what not, but we dont allow customers to do so. We have a 3'' thick sheet of steel set at a 45 degree angle as a back stop, it has a Kevlar blanket to slow down the bullet before impact, after striking the wall, the bullet hits a 4ft deep sand box floor in the back. So ricocets dont happen often. We do not allow reloads, this is for your safety and ours. Also you will be asked to read and sign a waver. Basicly saying that if you shoot yourself we are not getting sued over it.
We have a full gun store upfront. Range prices are 13$ for a full hour, and 8$ for a half hour. I will pass on the link to our website and our phone number. All you need is to be atleast 21 years old, have a valid form of ID. If you dont have a gun no problem we have 70 diffrent firearms avl for rental. I would post the link on here, and the phone number, but the last time I did that I I got about 60 pointless e-mails and atleast a dozen pointless phone calls. So I am trying to avoid that. I will e-mail you the website and phonenumber.
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Originally posted by DarkHawk
I do not know where you all get June as the start of the 3Q. Try July as the start of the 3Q and Sept 30 as the end of the quarter. We have six weeks to 18 weeks to wait
Patience is a virtue.
I love the BBS I read it just for the laughs ;) :p
Lets see, 12 months in a year, 4 Qs in a year (duh!), so thats 3 months per Q.
Q1
Jan
Feb
March
Q2
April
May
June
Q3
July
Aug (I think late Aug)
Sep (or early Sep)
Q4
Oct
Nov
Dec
In conclusion, that man is right.
Btw, I didn't have to do that long calcuation, but hell i'm bored.
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It's all relative. If he had meant that it would be out in the third quarter of the fiscal year (they are a business, after all), it would look more like this:
Q1
Oct 02
Nov 02
Dec 02
Q2
Jan 03
Feb
Mar
Q3
Apr
May
Jun
Q4
Jul
Aug
Sep
And if that was the case, we're still in the middle of Q3 and it could come out any day between now and the end of June and still be in Q3. But given Pyro's recent answer in the other thread, somehow I doubt it'll be ready that soon.
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Originally posted by Furious
Do you know what a circular arguement is?
Hey Furious,
I am as must entitled to air my comments here as you are.
That you seem intent on telling people the way it should be according to Furious I'll accept. That you are willing sometimes to insult someone in your first response is not acceptable.
Though I really don't want to - I will offer you some advise.....It is not so hard to state an negative opinion without insulting another. It helps with the discussion and you'll be still be respected as reasonable.......
Regards.......
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Originally posted by acetnt
Hey Furious,
I am as must entitled to air my comments here as you are.
That you seem intent on telling people the way it should be according to Furious I'll accept. That you are willing sometimes to insult someone in your first response is not acceptable.
Though I really don't want to - I will offer you some advise.....It is not so hard to state an negative opinion without insulting another. It helps with the discussion and you'll be still be respected as reasonable.......
Regards.......
You have gotten me all wrong. I have no desire for respect.
Originally posted by acetnt
But how do you stop baseless insinuations if you are not providing any information?
This is a circular arguement. It is similar to the question, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"
Do you get it now?
F.
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Originally posted by Furious
You have gotten me all wrong. I have no desire for respect.
This is a circular arguement. It is similar to the question, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"
Thanks for the info -- you are quite good at stating the obvious
Do you get it now?
F.And I do get it now - your only intention is to appear that you are smarter than the others here who's opinions you have no desire to respect. I will not reply to this thread again so it is all yours......
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Originally posted by Emptygun26
If AH2 is going to be delayed, or put off all together that would be fine with me to. Simply update what you already have on the table.
Why on earth would they spend time modelling and building new aircraft for the "old" game at this point when they would just have to re-do them for the new game?
Originally posted by Emptygun26-in responce to lack of updates.
Keep in mind in march we were told two weeks we would have updates, I really hope the updates dont take that long to put up this time.
And I cant believe that you fell for the "2 weeks" thing. Heh heh heh.
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Urmm, its not a new games, its really just an enhancement on the current game, so i think everything thats in the game now will be in AH2.
Except the n1k, cross fingers
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Also, did they not say AH2 would be out in the 3rd quarter? Thats about 2 weeks away. So if they are on time, this release could be out anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months, 2 weeks.
They really didn't say that it was going to be released in Q3, that was just the target they were shooting for and it will only be the beginning of the beta for AH2, not the finished product.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by acetnt
Though I really don't want to - I will offer you some advise.....It is not so hard to state an negative opinion without insulting another. It helps with the discussion and you'll be still be respected as reasonable.......
Regards.......
Well said