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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: boxboy28 on May 15, 2003, 08:46:15 PM
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What Over Clocking setting are people using that are stable and will improve performance?
For the ATI 9700 PRO?
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Isnt the damn thing fast enough as is?
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well in my system:
Win xp pro
AMD 2200 Xp
512 ddr 3200
ati 9700 OEM PRO (i know but i only paid 220 for it)
sound blaster gamer 5.1
With newest ATI catalyst 3.4 drivers
Im getting 80 max in the tower
and in fur balls ive seen it drop into the teens. Kinda shocked me
In a shoot im maxed at 100 ( with refresh set @100mhz)
I have the RAGE 3D tweaker as well (maybe i dont have **** set up right in there too)
I remember seeing different people say they were over clocking this card and geting some stable running speeds, I just wanted to knowwhat they were?
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Ouch I still get 100 fps (vsync) with a geforce3ti200.
:)
Of course you probably have AA AF etc. turned to the max.
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I've haven't tested on my ATI 9000 but my Dad "SE" has loaded the drivers and here is what he said to me today regarding his 9700 PRO...
300 on the up view!!!!!!!!!!!!
110 on the RNWY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the tower with clip board 100 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope it stays
I would say a gain of 30%
He sounds just a bit happy about the new 3.4 drivers and he does not O/C
Psyco
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There's really no need to o/c your card of Aces High. Just make sure you use one of these programs to unlock your refresh rates in WinXP incase you are stuck at 60FPS in game.
http://www.etplanet.com/download/ati_nvidia.shtm
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sun i'll get more than 60 but very very rarely in flight and mostly only in a chute or a GV. Lately its seems to be worse ofter upgrading to the Cat. 3.4 drivers
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If you only get 60FPS with a 9700Pro something with you system is seriously wrong, that is unless you have AntiAliasing and all that stuff turned on. But even then you should get over 60FPS. What resolution are you using?
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1024x768 32 bit color and every thing inthe card is set to preformance not quality
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Something very wrong with that system box.
My system is not much faster, if at all (P4 2Ghz) and I run @ 1600x1200 with 32 bit color and 2xfsaa, no AF and get 140+ in the tower, and very seldom dip to the high 80's.
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What Skuzzy said. Your system is not optimized.
BTW Skuzzy, is there a reason why turning AF on makes (message and icon) text blurred?
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Skuzzy, what monitor allows you 140fps at that resolution?
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#1 Did you have an Nvidia card in the box before you installed the Radeon, and if so did you COMPLETELY (i.e reformat)remove all the nvidia drivers? This is a known issue that severly effects performance of ATI cards. I'd be willing to be that this is the issue you are experiencing.
#2 What options do you have turned off/on in the BIOS, (specificaly AGP aperture size, fastwrites on/off etc.
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No Pfunk like i said in the other thread i just did a clean install of XP. I know it doesnt make sense, so tonight im gonn try a few more thing i been thinking about but as well ill get all my bios info too maybe there is some thing in there i have set wrong!
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I wish I had a monitor that would clock that high at that resolution JimBear.
I turned off vsync, to see what the card could do when I was setting it up. In normal mode, it stays pegged at 85fps.
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Oh yeah what motherboard do you have? I would go to http://www.amdforums.com and search in there for your specific mobo and see if anyone else is encountering your problems
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so you can compare here are my system and settings
Albatron KX400-8X
AMD XP 2100
2x 256DDR PC-2700 Crucial
Radeon 9700 pro w/ CAT 3.4
DX9.0a
40gig IBM 60x Deskstar HDD x2
SB!live Soundcard
CH USB 658 Flightstick
CH USB Pro Throttle
CH USB Pro Pedals
For Aces HIgh I have AA at 6X and FA at 16X
Running the game at 1600x1200 with mip mapping unchecked.
I also use Rage3D Tweak and followed this guide. ( Games look soooo good)
http://www.innercite.com/~sunking/Ultimate%20Radeon%20Tweaking%20Guide.pdf
I get 85-75FPS on average unless I'm in smoke and it goes down to 45fps.
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Sun in your other post about the drivers you mentioned deleting ati files in "C:\WINDOWS\inf " in win XP that is noty listed but ill post the rest of my info again after 6:30 Pm est
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Well SUN KING i followed your instructsions on how to delete and reinstall the ATI drivers like this :
reinstalled them
rebooted both times then set up my video perferances
install rage3Dtweak
reboot got thru the tweaker guide you listed...............
reinstalled directed X 9.0a
now on start up i get
missing DLL error
Error "missing fahpp.dll"
so im gonna go get my bios info but what the heck is this now?
well no game will run at all (either AH or Vietcong, the 2 i play, they both lock up will loading)
system specs:
AMD 2200 XP
ASUS A7V8X deluxe
WD 15 gig HD
512 Corsair DDR 3200 (2.5 cl) i know but it cant be that cause.
Sound blaster live 5.1 gamer
Ati 9700 pro (original was an OEM i pulled a few tricks and got the real deal brand new) running Catalyst 3.4
rage3d tweaker set to specks listed in (sunkings post)
last thing is a Leadtek 2000XP deluxe TV tuner card
nothing is sharing IRQ's with the Video card
heres a list of my confilicts and sharing :
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI bus
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 Direct memory access controller
I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF VIA CPU to AGP2.0/AGP3.0 Controller
I/O Port 0x000003C0-0x000003DF RADEON 9700 PRO
IRQ 21 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 21 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 21 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller
IRQ 21 Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Memory Address 0xD8000000-0xEFFFFFFF VIA CPU to AGP2.0/AGP3.0 Controller
Memory Address 0xD8000000-0xEFFFFFFF RADEON 9700 PRO - Secondary
IRQ 17 VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
IRQ 17 Creative SB Live! Series (WDM)
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF VIA CPU to AGP2.0/AGP3.0 Controller
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF RADEON 9700 PRO
I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB VIA CPU to AGP2.0/AGP3.0 Controller
I/O Port 0x000003B0-0x000003BB RADEON 9700 PRO
Memory Address 0xD5800000-0xD67FFFFF VIA CPU to AGP2.0/AGP3.0 Controller
Memory Address 0xD5800000-0xD67FFFFF RADEON 9700 PRO - Secondary
HERES THE LISTED IRQ's
IRQ 0 System timer OK
IRQ 1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard OK
IRQ 3 WinFast TV2000 XP WDM Audio Capture OK
IRQ 6 Standard floppy disk controller OK
IRQ 8 System CMOS/real time clock OK
IRQ 9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System OK
IRQ 10 RAID Controller OK
IRQ 12 PS/2 Compatible Mouse OK
IRQ 13 Numeric data processor OK
IRQ 14 Primary IDE Channel OK
IRQ 15 Secondary IDE Channel OK
IRQ 16 RADEON 9700 PRO OK
IRQ 17 VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller OK
IRQ 17 Creative SB Live! Series (WDM) OK
IRQ 18 Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet OK
IRQ 19 WinFast TV2000 XP WDM Video Capture OK
IRQ 21 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller OK
IRQ 21 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller OK
IRQ 21 VIA Rev 5 or later USB Universal Host Controller OK
IRQ 21 Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller OK
bios settings
AGP apature - 128mb
AGP capability - mode 8X
AGP preformance control - enabled
AGP fast writes - enabled
video memory - set to UC ( i have 2 modes 1 is UC ((i asume it means Un cashed)) or USWC)
did i miss anything?
what else could it be?
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AGP aperature size should be half of your total system memory, so in your case AGP should be 256, pretty sure turning off fast writes helps stability as well.
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Definately disable fast writes.
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Well i had to do a system restore after that missing DLL sh@t
but i went into bios and disabled fast write and turn the AGP apature up to 256 , i read some where that if your set to 128 apature anything else isnt going to effect it.
I havent had a chance to try it out! i was getting ready for work and say your posts so i went and did it, but ill check on mu lunch break!
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Boxboy28
read this thread. This is how I remove/install drivers.
http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8053
you will need to create a login for their forum, its worth it.
Error "missing fahpp.dll"
That file is part of the rage3d tweak program. Shouldn't cause your system to crash unless you deleted the wrong reg entry or file within the windows directory. Did you install the most current version of rage3d tweak? I probably reformat evey 6 months and never had a problem with that guide.
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i believe there was only 2 REG entries in each place you said to look and i deleted all 4 then reistalled.
By the way Sun where in Win XP PRO do you delete the INF files?
its not at
C:\WINDOWS.inf
box
I just read in the other fourm how to get it to show for get it!
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Originally posted by boxboy28
i believe there was only 2 REG entries in each place you said to look and i deleted all 4 then reistalled.
By the way Sun where in Win XP PRO do you delete the INF files?
its not at
C:\WINDOWS.inf
box
In this directory
C:\WINDOWS\inf
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Well i just did a freash reinstall of every thing. ( in under 2 hrs lol im suprized too)
every things working fine but I can get AH to run stable I open it log on get in to the main areana (finally getting 100fps in tower) then FREEZE only way out is a hard reboot.
Game just wont run whats wrong?
up till now every thing is the same
loaded in order- (RB = reboot)
chipset drivers
RB
ATI drivers
RB
ATI control panel
RB
Sound blaster drivers
RB
DX 9.0a
RB
leadtek TV tuner card
RB
test basic stuff all works
loaded AH
RB
got to play AH .....while in tower start to reset up my prefs FREEZE ....................
only way out is a hard reboot!
game wont run!
what the Fricken problem AHHHHHHHHH?
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Sounds like a power or heat problem, no?
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sling ty for the thoughts but sorry that for sure isnt it!
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Box are you running the 3.4 cat drivers when the lockup appears?
Maybe try the 3.2 cats and see if it happens again.
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Sunking 3.4 every thing freashly installed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:confused:
after i F-ed with it all night i quit. Ill be getting off work 3 hrs early to day so im go home and try the 3.2 driver set.
other wise i tried all the other tricks i saw listing the the tech support fourm here like turning down the sound ecceleraltion and renaming video7 file.
but f-it if i have to do another complete reinstall i got it pretty much down to a science now!
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same thing guys .......................get in start to adjust my settings like veiws/keyboard mapping WHAM lock up hard reboot!
if i keep trying it wont even get that far (lock up on splash screen)
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Have you tested it without the overclock utility? Pesonally, I have had problems with it.
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yes skuzzy i didnt even load that yet!
I figured if im supposed to be getting all this speed i wouldnt need it.
When i did sign on i was getting 89-100 fps inthe tower till it locked up!
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Hello boxboy28,
What r u running AGP at? - 4x? 8x?
You could be having stability probelms due to the AGP interface - disable fast write and try AGP 4x -
Just - giving u some troubleshooting advice.
HAd the exact problem you had i.e. RUn acehighs high with highframe rate then the frame rate dropped very low and had to do hard reboot to get back windows. Unfortunately it was with different hardware. In my case it was a bios upgrade that cause the problem - had to revert to the old one. The new one had problems with the AGP and the reported temperature....
Hope this helps in some way
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well sadly enough swiching it to 4x AGP worked but still no faster than before and its the same damn equipment int the machine as before and it was set to 8xAGP.
its all screwed maybe some day ill get it right, but for now im gonna flash my bios and see what that does!
So i updated the BIOS but it only has 3 seting for AGP apature 8mg 16mg or 32mg..................lol well i selected 32
seems i might have gained a FPS or 2 but whats up with that ? and its only givin me the option for 8x apg (which is working)
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Strange it only gives up to 32 mb aperture size---- will not perform as good as it should....
Wish I could help more -- but am stumped now
Acetnt
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Hmm only 32MB AGP Aperature size, every time I have encountered that its been a video card problem. It could be entirely possible that you have done everything you should have, reformat, driver changes etc that some of the memory on that video card is bad, maybe all but 32MBs are screwed which would explain why you have such horrid performance from the best card out on the market.
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Sounds like some funky bios prob. Did you flash to the most current. Alot of board are coming out with 9700pro bios updates to run these cards correctly.
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Boxboy you never mentioned anything about running VIA 4in1 drivers to your system.. That might do the trick.
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Hey Ocing
I have p4 533
ATI 9700 Pro and my fps stays constantly at 59.
Not much help, but I am in the same boat. If i find any thing i'll update here.
mars01
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mars01, you sound like you are stuck at 60Hz refresh rates. XP does this by default.
If you monitor can handle higher refresh rates at the resolution you are running at, you can use the ATi control panel to change the refresh rate.
By the way, staying at 60FPS is not a bad thing at all.
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I have the latest Via drivers the Hyprion (what ever) but they are the newest.
The BIOS is the latest for the board. i was using the 1.01 version but i upped to the 1.12 (so there is a 1.11 version i could try)
I used the ASUS EZ flash bios this after i downloaded the newest Bios.
went directly into set up and change this things i know im supposed to, But the funny thing is that it wont let me change the AGP speed either! its stuck @8x (which is fine)
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Hey Shuzzy,
Thats good news, I am actually running win2k, I should have mentioned that, but I think win2k may have the same problem.
I have actually changed Refresh Freq in Display properties from 85hz to 100hz then 120hz with no avail. I then tried the the program RefreshForce - that is what actually bumped it up to 120.
I downloaded RageTweak and set the card up as specified in one of the above links - weird thing there I could not unlock the advanced settings. ( Maybe I have to buy RageTweak)
I know some guys that are getting 200 fps with ATI cards, I would like to be able to take full advantage of the card, but I can definately live with it the way it is.
BTW you guys don't use OpenGL your DirectX right?
Thanks for the reply, you guys do a great job!!! I love the sim and can't wait to try AH2.
mars01.
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Awsome!!!
I updated my monitor driver and now I can unlock windows fps settings and im ok, thanks all for the posts good luck.
mars01
MAW Blacksheep XO