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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Razor on January 14, 2001, 11:15:00 PM
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[This message has been edited by Razor (edited 01-15-2001).]
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Talking of personal experience here, you'd better run and search for cover, man.
the storm you just have called on you is bigger than you may ever imagine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Agreed RAM. However , you cant deny that there are some pilots out there that have an amazing ability to warp on demand... especially when you are on their 6. They usually fly N1ks and Spits, which enables them to warp on demand and use those planes amazing twists to get in your tail or out of the way in the 1/2 a second that warp takes to have effect on your end.
I can understand net lag and other evils, but when the old saying
"If it happens once its an accident, twice its a coincidence, thrice is a conspiracy".
applies to pilots that DO warp more than twice during the same dogfight and those warps happen at sssssooo conveninient times for them...well, you know how ugly it is.
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[This message has been edited by Razor (edited 01-15-2001).]
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I ahd a Ju-88 lined up to be roast duck last night and as I was about 1k and started firing he suddenly jumped to about 3k off my right wing, then he jumped again and all i saw was a dot, in the text buffer "NEWUXXX hehe what ya shootin at hellcat?"
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Tac, I am completely sure that he is right. But I know what will happen when **some guys** read this message.
I was shot down by a backwards firing typhoon just one week before leaving AH. I posted it here and I was called everything, but "handsome" by the peolpe here.
Curious that some days after that, there were similar reports...curious that the other day talking on the MA with a friend, he told me of a similar happening. Curious isnt it?
I know that people cheats in this game. I'm sure of it. I only say that Razor has digged his own tomb in this so-called community writing what he has wrote.
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Forget the posts, just send the film to HTC and let them deal with it.
As for how to send the film, if you use outlook express or most other email clients, it's easy. Get Pyro's email address, and start an email to him. In the message of the body, briefly explain what you want him to look at. Then find the "attach file" option in the email program's menus or buttons. Click that, and then browse to the folder where the film file is. Select the file and hit ok. It should attach the file to the email. Hit send, and off it goes. If you want to get fancy, use pkzip or winzip to compress the file first, but it's not really necessary unless your film file is huge.
A post to the forums isn't really necessary IMHO, and it really does get people all pissed off for little reason. Unless of course you LIKE sparking pointless flamewars, then go ahead and call people cheaters in here.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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"by a backwards firing typhoon"
hey thats a good one! =) I knew them brits had a twisted sense of humor.. heehee.
I know what ye meant RAM. I agree wholeheartedly.
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[This message has been edited by Razor (edited 01-15-2001).]
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"I lit your N1K up at 800 and stayed on you til you past and pulled up."
Curious, would that be 800 feet, 800 yards, or 800 meters?
If 800 feet cool! Excellent flying!
But the other two? Lighting up somebody at that range shouldn`t do much damage, if any. Quite far actually. Was very uncommon in WWII, I wouldn`t want to think it was a common thing in AH.
Like the Vets always said, don`t shoot untill he fills your windscreen. Try getting in tight at a range of under 300 yards before you open fire. More of a chance to do damage at that range, and much more realistic.
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Skybax
328th Fighter Squadron
www.352ndFighterGroup.com (http://www.352ndFighterGroup.com)
Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney
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[This message has been edited by Razor (edited 01-15-2001).]
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Posting the guys handle here is just in bad taste IMO, particularly with the possibility of net lag and the like. That being said, you did the smart thing...filmed it, and are gonna email it to HTC. If there's a problem that they can identify, they'll fix it. If they have conclusive proof that he was cheating, he'll be done flying, simple as that.
And RAM...don't lump Razor into the same spot you've made for yourself...the responce that you get to a post like this has everything to do with the picture you've painted of yourself with other posts, and less to do with the post itself. I've been pretty impressed at not seeing a daily RAM rant...just give up this little grudge you have, and maybe people will stop thinking the worst when they start reading a post or a responce from you.
SOB
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Lol skybax. This isn't Warbirds you know (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) In AH, if you wait until he fills your windscreen you are probably already dead.
Buffs can easily hit out to 800yds, and kill at that range. If a buff is being attacked by a Nik, and waits until the guy is close before firing, well, he'll never get a chance to fire at all.
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not to be rude or anything but I have my convergance set at 650. And if its a fighter Ide still be lucky if i hit it past 500. unless its a buff I wount even try for it past 650. I can normally hit some very wicket angled snap shots on people so its not my aim. there not warping or using any evil anti damage cheats. its just a simple fact that ingame as you go out your bullet spreed gets bigger. try it in a n1k2 you might if your lucky get one little ping at 700 as you blast a few hundred rounds. those type 99 cannons have poor grouping. If your shooting at some one at 800 your getting desprate becuase you have little chance of landing a killing blow. bringing up names and accusations like that on this forum is really bad form.
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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"
[This message has been edited by Mayhem (edited 01-15-2001).]
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Ive never had a prob or heard of anyone having a prob with Vati.
Yeager
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As Eagl & SOB said, good that you have the film. Send it on to Pyro. That's really all that's required.
Noone on this BBS could do anything about it in any event. HTC can examine it correctly and make the proper determination.
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Razor, I fly in Vati's squad here, he may be excitable and pop off the handle like we all do now and then but I have never seen him cheat, I can't speak to what you saw simply due to the fact I wasnt there but I can speak to the character of Vati and IMHO he's no cheat but by all means send the film in and see what HTC comes up with if nothing else just to satisfy your question as to what may have happened.
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I've flown against Vati a couple of times, and all times have been nice fights. I've won some and he's won some. His plane never takes more dammage then any others so I really don't think you should call him a cheater. Might wanna check a many times you really hit him and where, what were you flying btw?
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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"
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I think Razor may have had a case of rubber bullets =) not quite uncommon here from time to time......Razor, u need to do some checking before you start throwing accusations.....please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Rob53
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Yes, the lubber bullets!
I've had them past few days constantly..
I posted about this before in an earlier thread, but I have to bring it up again..
After the latest patch my weapon leathality degraded, sometimes I inflict no damage to opponent even with clear shots and 20mm cannons.. All I see is flashes but the opponent just flies away after (what I thought was) a sure kill. On the other hand I've experienced a huge amount of 1-2 ping kills, whole parts missing. Fuselage, wing, pilot kill.. only once in these past 4 days I've lost only an aileron or a flap.. Same effect from fighters, buffs and flak.
Been killed from flak 1st burst at 20k+ altitude, repeatedly. Especially the flak problem got me so pissed off that I logged off. Maybe it has something to do with my cable connection who knows.. Ping times are around 180ms (overseas connection) so anything can happen I guess..
I'm not saying that guy wasn't flying a hack, its more than possible IMHO.. But you might have experienced something that's every day practise for me unfortunately.
My gaming enjoyment droped at least 50% after the 'frame optimising' patch.
In my opinnion the patch made a more damage than it did good. Its a shame really, its the first time this game gives me negative feelings for the game itself. But.. I trust HTC will correct the problem in their swift manner.
- MrSiD
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If you think something is wrong, send it to HTC and let them deal with it. Other than that.. this post is simply a whine.
And RAM.. only took 2 posts to turn this into a thread about you.. congradulations. What is truly pathetic is that you STILL think you were in the right about the "backwards firing typhoon". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
And RAM.. only took 2 posts to turn this into a thread about you.. congradulations. What is truly pathetic is that you STILL think you were in the right about the "backwards firing typhoon". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
AKDejaVu
Indeed, I am. And more after hearing about other people having the same problem.But that is MY problem, right? YOU are sure that it was not a cheat ,so let it go.
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We're not supposed to warp intentionally?
Crap!
Ice
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Razor, I have been a member of the AH community for a lot longer than a member of vati's squad.For what its worth, if I had seen any evidence of cheating by any of the pilots i'd be outta here. For a fact vati stresses good acm and team work for effectivness, that is the reason for a dedicated training night every week, you think we go over the TA to practice cheating?
Your way off base pal and owe the man an apology.
Shamus
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I was gonna say...Vati has been arround quite a while and I have never seen him accused in the past. And its not as if this comunity is shy about doing so.
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Indeed, I am. And more after hearing about other people having the same problem.But that is MY problem, right? YOU are sure that it was not a cheat ,so let it go.
Right RAM... afterall.. you brought it up.. yet again. You are the one that continually chooses to call another player a hacker and a cheater based on "I saw something wierd" evidence while refusing to believe any explanation. Now, you use it like some kind of sword against the community. The truth is its actually a dagger, and its burried to the hilt in your ass.
AKDejaVu
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RAZOR, You're way off base bud. You know me from AW. Vati and I first flew AGAINST one another many many years ago. I was a cz lander, he bz. as a matter of fact our fights helped me a great deal when I was new. He taught me much, for which I am greatful. Over these many years flying against and with Vati I have never , never seen anything that would remotely even hint at his cheating. He's to much of a gentlemen to even think something like that. When he's shot me down when adversaires I know for a fact he didn't cheat. And when I've shot him down there was nothing remotely questionable about his crafts performance. RAZOR methinks you better check connection. Spikes in lags such as I experience sometimes cause what you just described, rubber bullets. I think you owe the man an apology. Send the film by all means. But I'm sure HTC will see nothing wrong.
Hajo
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It normally takes about a second or less of 50cal buff gun fire to kill a fighter that is 800 at your six . Remember buff guns (50cals) can hit up to about 1400 .
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BTW RAZOR, If your going to post this typ of thing, please have the guts to sign with your handle so we know who you are, nothing comming up under Razor.
Shamus
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Connection problems. I have DSL and I have connection problems. My modem was worse. How would you filter packets? Does anyone use an external modem any more? The very first thing I would look at is my connection status. The next thing I would assume is the other guy had a connection problem. The last thing I would assume is he was cheating. I was an AW player for several years (UNDERDOG). I heard all that garbage about warping on purpose. Wasn't it determined to be the screen shot key? So they disabled it? Other than something like that or the external modem thing how do you filter packets or cheat in any other way on one of these game. Who would really wont to take the time to do it. If they did they don't have much of a life. If that's what they do to make themselves feel good. I would think that filming it if you were having a reoccurring problem and sending it to HT would be the answer. They would be able to make a determination I'm sure about the likely hood of cheating. They would be the only ones that could do anything about it in the end anyway.
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I wish I had included this in my first post on this subject, but I agree with the community at large here, send the film and HTC make it public as to the outcome and will live with the results whatever it is, but should HTC find nothing then Razor you most definitely should post an apology , unfounded character assassination just cannot be tolerated, all of us have seen questionable things in the MA, but to make a public post and include a name is just so far out of line!
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RAZOR you're not only WAY out of line here but you haven't even got Vati66 in the right squadron! I Flew with him in AW 3 under JV44 and when that disbanded, cofounded JG53 and subsequently TEAM BZ & TEAM A with him. AT NO TIME HAS ANYONE OF THE PILOTS THEN OR NOW STOOPED TO CHEATING TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. NOT ONLY IS IT DISHONEST BUT IT ISN'T REALLY ANY FUN. MANY OF THE PILOTS THAT ARE HERE (IN OUR SQUADRON NOW) ONCE FLEW AW3. HECK WE HAVE SQUADDIES THAT ARE FORMER ENEMIES FROM AW3!
Toggle and I and several others have flown Vati's wing. Does that tell you anything? We fight as a team and as a team we share both defeat and sucess. We don't need to cheat to achieve success. We work hard at tactics, teamwork, ACM and gunnery.
Computers,the internet and traffic often dictate the outcome of battle. I have also seen what look like intentional warps in AH but I won't go accusing someone of it just because it happens, that would be irresponsible.
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AKDejaVu,
I'm saving that one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Oh, what a perfect description of RAM's ... um... "issue". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hahaha, that made my day. LOL
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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Usually I let drivel like this roll of my back for that's exactly what it is. By all means send the film to AH. If Vati was a cheater I wouldn't fly with him. He's a hell of a pilot and is a great teacher as all who have flown with him will attest. I suggest the next time you get whacked you take a deep breath and remember exactly what this is. IT'S A GAME. You owe man an appology bud
toggl
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LOL.. hope Vati has a sense of humor; and understands that this accusation (baseless) is in fact a compliment.
Good flyin Vati. And thanks for the six calls; and helpin the bish out where and when yah can. Don't worry about the peanut gallery.. just monkeys in there.
<S!>
Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders"
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RAZOR....you sure do seem to know alot about cheating, tried a few Ill bet you have. Ive been flying with Vati for 6yrs, this man DOES NOT cheat, would not condone cheating, and is simply a very good pilot who doesnt need to cheat. And he has never been in the Dogs of War squadron.
Its quite apparant that your gunnery skills do not match Vati's piloting skills. A little more practice will improve that I bet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You owe Vati an apology, but considering your original post and utter lack of good taste, I dont expect one to be forthcoming.
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MrWulf
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I expected this...never seen the guy do it so he never does. Fine. I saw the same thing in 2 different sims on more than one occasion.I heard B-landers complaing about the warpy Az spits and guess what squad they were referring to? Too many punks in the game for me...adios.
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Don't let the door flatten yer head on the way thru it!
ADIOS, gringo.
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Just a question. Is there a possibility that there is more than one player with that handle or a variation of it???
Mav
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I've flown against and with Vati for 6 years and know no finer pilot, or one with more honor. If he warped, lagged or performed any other "unnatural" feats of piloting, it was not anything he did intentionally. I'm sure at one time or another, its happened to all of us.
SVGE
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Gentlemen,
First off I would like to thank everyone who has come to my defense. I wish I could see the original post but alas , SKIDOG has deleted it. Last night I was flying alone in a Spit...shot him and Post down while they attempted to bomb a Bish base.. Took radiator damage and was forced to land. I then took off from a near by base and ran into those two again. I had an alt advantage and dropped in on post from above killing him before he even shot. I then went after A lanc that was slightly below me and to my left ....I crossed his tail at about 800 yrds sidesliping to the left the whole time ... I took a few hit and lost a aileron. I used my huge E to zoom above the lanc and then winged over and finished the job from the top. The only thing remotely strange about the encounter was the fact I got 2 kills for the lanc as both SKIDOG and Leslie bailed out of it. ( Never seen a double kill like that). Skidog accused me of cheating on CH1. I asking what he was talking about. He said that I was warping on demand. Well I checked my net status and both lines were flat. I told him that, but he said he was going to report me. I told him to do so since I know I was not cheating. I can't discount that there was not some NET hiccup or something, but what I will say is this. There was no cheating from me. I left AW3 because of the cheating and the fact that nothing was being done about it. SKIdog, By all means send that film in. Send it to me I would like to see it also. But please ..don't accuse me of cheating. BTW, I never flew with the Dog of War. I flew with the CAF in AWDOS with the tail number 3361 ( call sign Fang). Then on AOL I was CO of the Misfits, JV-44 Die Expertn, then Team Extreme. (formaly JG53, then Team BZ). I hope HT will come along and close this thread , because nothing good comes of this BS.
< S > Aces
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<S> Vati. You've always been a stand up guy. Don't let it get ya down or sour the day for you.
- Westy
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I've been in AH since October 98 and have been with Vati for almost a year now. I've seen stuff that can be taken as warp on demand in my everyday experience online, but I've learned to never take this seriously. Netlag and hiccups have a lot to do with this, and so does system setups. I had a period when everytime I pressed the trigger the whole screen would pause for a little less than a second before the guns would fire. Of course you know the shot is screwed after that. But that wasn't due to the target, it was because my system accessed the drive at that moment.
I can say that Vati is a great guy, a great leader, and would never stoop to doing those kinds of things. Actually the majority of the community doesn't do those things either... we're interested in fighting and most of us know that cheating will never benefit us in the long run. If you really feel something is up, like everyone else says, e-mail it directly to HTC with your film and let them check it out. Your backing down and running off won't make things any better for you. You will be forgiven (like many have been) if you make a mistake if you admit to it and apologize.
mauser
Sturmjaeger
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I have flown with,for and against Vati for some time.I flew with him in AW as JV 44 and flew against him in AW as a BOP.No I fly with him in AH and have never had reason to believe him a disshonest or less that honorable pilot.I admire his talent in fighters as he knows when to leave the dance.I myself never knew when to cut my losses and run away.
To accuse someone of cheating due to a lost dogfight to me seems childish and trite.Air Warrior was full of such comments and some had validity but on the most part,it was some little jack off with the day off school and nothing to do but lament his lack of ability.True this is just a game,but there is honor involved to some degree.
Send the film in.In other words put your money where your mouth is.Put up or simply shut up.
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Mk
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well i have been flying with vati for a few months and i have never seen anything from him even close to cheeting. vati is a hell of a pilot and a great squad leader.
you dont even have the balls to keep your orignal post up there.
your witch hunt failed and you are tring to sneek off.
what a worthless person you are.
i still would like to see this film you claim to have. Why dont you post it and let the board judge for its self?
Trell
Sturmjaeger
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Time to let this thread die.. he has apologized.
AKDejaVu