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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandman on May 18, 2003, 10:23:25 PM
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Ya know.. some of ya have some good arguments for and against "killshooter."
...but,
"KILLBOMBER" has got to go!
(&@@%#(_#!@!@#$!!!!
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whats that?
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Poor Mr Sandman musta dropped an egg on a freindly GV...:eek:
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Nope... some friendly aircraft decided to fly through the blast.
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Oh, sweet jesus, I had that happen once in my entire career of bombing, and I still remember the sting!
I don't think you can do away with it though.
Without it, whats to stop a "Friendly" bomber from hovering over his own base and carpet bombing a mission rolling down the runway.
Take it with a grain of salt. Chalk it up to terrible luck.
Too bad, Sandman. I know how bad Killbomber sucks, but 2 years later, I do laugh about my incident.
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u are not one:(
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One night, I got mad that some lamers were about to kill all of the fighter hangars at an enemy base where I'd enjoyed many fun fights. To punish these strat-minded weenies for their lack of vision, I landed at the enemy base and sneakily taxied into one of the fighter hangars.
When the rockets came raining down, the friendly didn't even blow up. He just disappeared. Disintegrated. Poof. Poor guy.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Very poor sportsmanship.
In reality, I would think this is a serious violation, as you intentionally caused the loss of friendlies.
What you did was game the game and do exactly what "Killshooter" is designed to prevent.
I don't think you would appreciate it if someone intentinally flew their AC into your line of fire, and cause you to killshooter yourself. I realize this happens quite often, but you would not like it if someone did it in person and then bragged about it, would you?
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My only regret about being a rook is that I can't intentionally killbomber MAWs. :D
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One of my favorite killshooter deaths resulted when I had to pickle my ordinance in the P-38 because I was being intercepted by some bad guys. So I dropped my load to get light to fight and about 5 seconds I blew up and was back in the tower. Watching the film of my flight, when I pickled my eggs, I didn't know that one of my squad mates had saddled up below me in formation and I hit him with my bombs.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Noctilux
My only regret about being a rook is that I can't intentionally killbomber MAWs. :D
Sure...uh whatever...
You can, uh...shoot us down, you know. It's alot easier being that we're knights.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Very poor sportsmanship.
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No more, say, than ruining what was a perfectly good fight for a number of players. Besides... it was fun.
In reality, I would think this is a serious violation, as you intentionally caused the loss of friendlies.
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LOL Oh no, not a serious violation! Let the banning begin!
What you did was game the game and do exactly what "Killshooter" is designed to prevent.
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I'm curious what you think killshooter was designed to prevent. Last I checked, it prevented people from carelessly flinging ordinance at enemy planes and structures. Talk about some careless rocketeers!
I don't think you would appreciate it if someone intentinally flew their AC into your line of fire, and cause you to killshooter yourself. I realize this happens quite often, but you would not like it if someone did it in person and then bragged about it, would you?
I'd be rolling in my chair if someone managed to get me to killshooter on them on purpose. Doubly so if they bragged about it. Frankly, it's no small feat to make me killshooter myself by design, as I tend to get in closer than just about anybody else before firing. My hat's off to the guy who does it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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You can, uh...shoot us down, you know.
Yes, but it's funnier to killbomber you. Besides, it's hard to shoot you down when you're always following your bombs into the ground.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
One night, I got mad that some lamers were about to kill all of the fighter hangars at an enemy base where I'd enjoyed many fun fights. To punish these strat-minded weenies for their lack of vision, I landed at the enemy base and sneakily taxied into one of the fighter hangars.
When the rockets came raining down, the friendly didn't even blow up. He just disappeared. Disintegrated. Poof. Poor guy.
-- Todd/Leviathn
:rolleyes:
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Todd... too funny. Have film?
I've been looking for new goals in the game. You mind coming to rooks so I can work on getting in that 50 yards of space between you and your intended victims? Wouldn't that be a hoot?
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Last time I checked, Killshooter was designed to prevent intentional fratracide.
(Please excuse the spelling)
Hey, but way to go! That'll teach those Strat weenies!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
One night, I got mad that some lamers were about to kill all of the fighter hangars at an enemy base where I'd enjoyed many fun fights. To punish these strat-minded weenies for their lack of vision, I landed at the enemy base and sneakily taxied into one of the fighter hangars.
When the rockets came raining down, the friendly didn't even blow up. He just disappeared. Disintegrated. Poof. Poor guy.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Perfect! One of the best ways to make a bad rule go away is to exploit it. :D
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Originally posted by Steve
Todd... too funny. Have film?
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Alas, not to my knowledge.
I've been looking for new goals in the game. You mind coming to rooks so I can work on getting in that 50 yards of space between you and your intended victims? Wouldn't that be a hoot?
You can try. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Last time I checked, Killshooter was designed to prevent intentional fratracide.
(Please excuse the spelling)
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That's one purpose of killshooter, but it's hardly the only purpose. Persona non-grata can dissuade people from intentionally killing friendlies as well. What killshooter does in addition to that is force realistic gunnery tactics by immediately penalizing wanton spray and pray with lots of friendlies around. It forces firing discipline and rewards getting in close to enemies before opening fire.
Hey, but way to go! That'll teach those Strat weenies!
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Well, he did kill the fighter hangar. And here I sent him back for a super quick rearm so he could do it all over again. You'd think he'd be positively grateful.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Perfect! One of the best ways to make a bad rule go away is to exploit it. :D
I'm indifferent to killbombing one way or the other, but I can see where it's needed to combat unrealistic bombing techniques. Imagine a massive tank battle... say in the middle of the Trinity map... and some wiseass brings three B-17s and carpet bombs a close battle between several dozen friendly and enemy vehicles.
The friendly tankers would probably be quite grateful for killbombing. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Well, he did kill the fighter hangar. And here I sent him back for a super quick rearm so he could do it all over again. You'd think he'd be positively grateful.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
LOL!!
That's one way to look at it, I supppose.
:D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I'm indifferent to killbombing one way or the other, but I can see where it's needed to combat unrealistic bombing techniques. Imagine a massive tank battle... say in the middle of the Trinity map... and some wiseass brings three B-17s and carpet bombs a close battle between several dozen friendly and enemy vehicles.
The friendly tankers would probably be quite grateful for killbombing. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Hmmm... my guess is that historically, there have been a few battlefield commanders that have thrown up there hands and just thought... "kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out." Of course, I could be wrong...
Still, I hate the "realism" argument being thrown in when my airplane blows up because my bombs exploded near a teammate. :)
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I hate to step in here..but I have a job to do..
The rolleye's limit has been reached on this thread..
Further use of the little cute rolleye balloon used in place of legitimate thought will be delt with accordingly.
Or is the word accordion ??
I fail to see the facination with little balloons..
Must make up for some unknown literary deficit..
But hey, that's just me..
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nopoop
Rolleyes Police
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I'm indifferent to killbombing one way or the other, but I can see where it's needed to combat unrealistic bombing techniques. Imagine a massive tank battle... say in the middle of the Trinity map... and some wiseass brings three B-17s and carpet bombs a close battle between several dozen friendly and enemy vehicles.
I don't know; it seems to me that someone willing to make suicide jabo runs would be equally willing to make suicide buff runs -- sail in at low altitude with a trio of Lancasters, just high enough to get all the bombs out before the first one hits, and lay a trail of devastation across a GV battle knowing that they're going to die, but that it's going to shred the enemy GVs and leave the friendly GVs unharmed. You've just traded one method of suicide for another, and invented the suicide smart bomb.
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Not a killbombing but fun:
We had NOE raid going to enemybase. We were over sea and saw enemy dot ahead us. I told braverly to my friends that I take that bastard. I took everything out from my 190 A8, wep on, pushed trigger to drop my bomb and-- poooof Im in tower!:D Camo asked even if he ROFL: mipoikel, did you get that dot....
Lesson: dont drop too low...:D
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LOL Bet killbomber has caused me to lose 10 sorties a TOD maybe more. As I use a20 to kill gvs. Bishops can tell you now i'm on radio saying please don't use guns on gv i'm in with bomb. And sure enough some guy in a plane with 50 cals only will fly right to gv as I bomb.
what hurts is they know if they ping with 50 cals odds are no kill unless a bomber kills them then thier plane gets credit. :(
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Originally posted by Noctilux
Yes, but it's funnier to killbomber you. Besides, it's hard to shoot you down when you're always following your bombs into the ground.
Actually, its funnier to take out bombers with a Panzer's smoke ordinance. :)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Nope... some friendly aircraft decided to fly through the blast.
You must fly with the Bish Horde for protection, this is usually how one dies with so many friendlies around them.