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Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Sandman on May 20, 2003, 05:33:29 PM
(http://www.bartcop.com/gop_Matrix.jpg)
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Udie on May 20, 2003, 05:35:54 PM
yawn
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: CyranoAH on May 20, 2003, 06:12:30 PM
ROFL
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 20, 2003, 06:38:10 PM
I find it ironic that leftists are making this joke:

WHERE REALITY ITSELF IS A MALLEABLE THING... SUBJECT TO CONSTANT REVISION....
Title: A White House Fluent In Language Of Fanatics
Post by: Sandman on May 21, 2003, 07:30:40 PM
A White House Fluent In Language Of Fanatics

By Arianna Huffington

Maybe Karl Rove has moved his office into the "Matrix." Maybe Laurence Fishburne is auditioning for Ari Fleischer's job.  Maybe it's all just a bad dream: "The White House Reloaded."

I've been racking my brain, trying to reconcile the ever-widening chasm between what the White House claims to be true and what is actually true.  After all, we know the president and his men are not stupid.  And despite the tidal wave of misinformation pouring out of their mouths, I don't believe they are consciously lying.

The best explanation I can come up with for the growing gap between their rhetoric and reality is that we are being governed by a gang of out and out fanatics.  

The defining trait of the fanatic -- be it a Marxist, a fascist, or, gulp, a Wolfowitz -- is the utter refusal to allow anything as piddling as evidence to get in the way of an unshakable belief. Bush and his fellow fanatics are the political equivalent of those yogis who can hold their breath and go without air for hours. Such is their mental control, they can go without truth for, well, years.  Because, in their minds, they're always right.  Oopso facto.

That pretty much sums up the White House m.o. on everything, from the status of al-Qaeda to the condition of post-war Iraq to the magical job-producing virtues of the latest round of tax cuts.

Who else but a fanatic would have made the outrageous claim, as the president did last Friday, just four days after the deadly reemergence of al-Qaeda in Riyadh, that "the United States people are more secure, the world is going to be more peaceful"?  More peaceful than what?  The West Bank?

In the weeks before the attacks in Riyadh, the president had repeatedly maintained that "we are winning the war on terror," and that al-Qaeda was "on the run... slowly, but surely, being decimated."  So he clearly wasn't going to let a little fact like 34 dead bodies -- the result of three closely coordinated suicide bomb attacks -- change his mind.

He was similarly unperturbed by that troubling new report from the International Institute for Strategic Studies, an influential and non-partisan British think tank -- released a day after the Riyadh bombings and three days before the president proclaimed us "more secure" -- which found that al-Qaeda was "just as dangerous" and "even harder to identify and neutralize" than it was prior to 9/11.

And just 4 hours after the president strapped on his trusty blinders and delivered his rosy vision of a more peaceful world, the tranquility was shattered by the five simultaneous suicide blasts in Casablanca.  Oh well, at least we still have the upcoming Jessica Lynch TV movie to make us feel good about ourselves -- give or take a few last minute rewrites by the BBC.  

The president's evidence-be-damned fanaticism is equally apparent when it comes to the state of post-war Iraq.  "Life is returning to normal," he proclaimed just two weeks after the fall of Baghdad.  "Things have settled down inside the country."

Really?  Just who is preparing his morning briefing papers?  Pollyandy Card?  Little Condoleezza Sunshine?  Did he bother consulting any Iraqis about "normal life" there?  Probably not.  One of the keys to being a flourishing fanatic is to surround yourself with those of a shared -- and equally deluded -- mindset.

And according to that mindset, the definition of "settling down" can be expanded to include rampant looting, sporadic water and electrical service, hospitals in disastrous condition, outbreaks of cholera and dysentery, streets filled with uncollected garbage and raw sewage, half a dozen ransacked nuclear facilities, missing barrels of radioactive material, growing anti-American sentiment, and disparate ethnic and religious groups arming themselves.  No wonder Don Rumsfeld called the media's reporting of all this "an overstatement."  It's just another "normal" weekend at Camp David.  

And don't bother trying to make the case that everything isn't hunky-dory in Baghdad to rabid acolytes such as Jay Garner.  Like the president, the demoted viceroy doesn't care what the facts indicate -- to him even a looted and punctured glass can be half full.  "We ought to be beating our chests every day," he said, dismissing the notion that any of us should feel bad about the problems besetting Iraq.  "We ought to look in a mirror and get proud. We ought to stick out our chests and suck in our bellies and say, 'Damn, we're Americans.'"  That's sure to win us some more goodwill around the world.  Hoo-rah, and pass the Kool-Aid, General Jay!

And if you think the president is saving his fanaticism only for the international sector, think again.  His dogged devotion to selling his latest round of tax cuts for the wealthy as a "jobs creation plan" -- despite an avalanche of evidence that it will do nothing of the sort -- proves that he can be just as fervent on the home front.

"Jobs are on the line," said Bush after the Senate passed its version of the tax cut.  "I call on Congress to resolve their differences quickly so I can sign a bill that will help create jobs, boost take home pay and spur economic growth."  And for those with "...illionaire" as part of their economic description, it probably will.

It obviously makes no difference to the president that 10 Nobel Prize winning economists have condemned his tax cuts as "not the answer" to high unemployment, or that a new Congressional Budget Office study found that the "jobs and growth package" will actually have very little effect on long-term growth.  Not interested.  Not listening.  The 1.4 million jobs the White House repeatedly says the tax cuts will create are more a matter of a fanatic's faith than of dispassionate forecasting.

The fact is there are now 2.1 million more unemployed Americans than when Bush took office -- the vast majority of them having lost their jobs after the president's initial $1.3 trillion tax cut was passed in 2001. Difficult evidence to ignore -- unless "ignore the evidence" is your eleventh commandment.

A popular definition of insanity is:  doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.  Well, that seems to be the White House theory on the power of tax cuts to produce new jobs:  It didn't work before; let's try it again.  

Welcome to the D.C. Matrix.
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Nash on May 21, 2003, 07:40:52 PM
"This is an administration that in two years has so mucked up our approach to the world that merely applying the demands of logic is made to appear unpatriotic."
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Ripsnort on May 21, 2003, 07:43:20 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
"This is an administration that in two years has so mucked up our approach to the world that merely applying the demands of logic is made to appear unpatriotic."


Hey, at LEAST in he won more than 40% of the vote, in Canada, he'd a gotten in under 40% vote. ;)
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Dowding on May 22, 2003, 03:45:58 AM
Thast's an excellent quote, Nash.

As is that cartoon. :)
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Duedel on May 22, 2003, 08:13:16 AM
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Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2003, 08:32:33 AM
(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/matrixbush.jpg)


Keanu Reeves, when informed of the decision to cast Mr. Bush, reportedly said, "Whoa."



http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/000877.html
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: SLO on May 22, 2003, 08:52:31 AM
If I say anything about dubya....I'm gonna get branded as anti-american......we shall resist the temptation....resist....resis t:D
Title: they all do it!
Post by: JBA on May 22, 2003, 08:53:55 AM
http://leahy.senate.gov/vermont/national%20guard/index.html
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2003, 08:54:23 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
If I say anything about dubya....I'm gonna get branded as anti-american......we shall resist the temptation....resist....resis t:D


Why stop now?
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: gofaster on May 22, 2003, 09:02:39 AM


Mis-Ter Anderson....

Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: SLO on May 22, 2003, 09:56:35 AM
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Originally posted by gofaster


Mis-Ter Anderson....




my...name.....is......NEO:D


Iron....cause I'm tired of little whiners like you....and your stupid anti-american arguments.....that ok by you:D

the fact is YOU can't take a little critizism.....
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2003, 10:02:30 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
my...name.....is......NEO:D


Iron....cause I'm tired of little whiners like you....and your stupid anti-american arguments.....that ok by you:D

the fact is YOU can't take a little critizism.....


Obviously you haven't stopped bashing anyone. Criticize all you like, I never told ya to stop. Seems to me you just can't take what ya dish out.
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: SLO on May 22, 2003, 10:16:15 AM
your boring Iron....let it go will ya...move on too more interesting things....
Title: Re: A White House Fluent In Language Of Fanatics
Post by: Syzygyone on May 22, 2003, 10:17:27 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
A White House Fluent In Language Of Fanatics

By Arianna Huffington

Blah blah blah blah blah blahbity blah blah blah



Sandy my boy:

I expected better from you.   Your post history indicates a signficant degree of innate intelligence and perception.  Why, oh why, have you stooped so low as to quote this person.  You do know that you are quoting the Great Chamelion.  Ms. Huffington, a Euro-trash, get-famous-by-marrying-rich-men-type-of-bimbo,  Joanie-come-lately-to-America-so-she-can-make-big-bucks-with-her-Eurotrash-accent-and-fluttering-eye-lashes, trashing whatever party is in power,  is the biggest psuedo intellectual potato of all time.  When she came to America, the right wing loved her.  She was the new bright spot and was a favorite of Newt Gingrich.  Then, after her like third husband ran and lost a senate race in California, he came out of the closet in Esquire and she divorced him but being alone in California, needed to cuddle up to to Left coast and so has changed her tune to fit her location.  Even the lefties don't like her.  She's a humor writer turned Robo Pundit.  If you don't believe me, do a google and check out what both the right and the left say about her.

Don't denegrate your opinions or thoughts by using her for support.  You can do better on your own!



:D :D :D
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: AKIron on May 22, 2003, 10:21:54 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
your boring Iron....let it go will ya...move on too more interesting things....


This whole bash the conservatives thing has gotten rather boring. I'm sure those that participate find themselves to be amusing though. My apologies for interrupting your little circle jerk here, carry on.
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: midnight Target on May 22, 2003, 10:43:09 AM
So Syz...

You don't like Arianna?




:cool:



wasn't that an ad hominem argument attacking the messenger instead of the message?
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Syzygyone on May 22, 2003, 11:02:04 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So Syz...

You don't like Arianna?

:cool:

wasn't that an ad hominem argument attacking the messenger instead of the message?


Nope, just a statment of fact.  Check out her history.  She's not intellectually honest,  she floats with the breeze, like a permamnet opposition party, catering to whatever entity will give her the time of day.  She doesn't deserve to be taken seriously!
And what I really hate most is how even Mr. No Spin Bill O'Reilly treats her and her fatuous demagoguery in such a way that it is obvious he only wants to get in her pants and give her a spin!
:eek: eek: :eek:

:cool::
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: LePaul on May 22, 2003, 11:02:47 AM
There are days Weazel's posts like this are missed.

But he's probably standing in line, hoping to be the first to get Hilary's new book when its unveiled in June.

:p
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: midnight Target on May 22, 2003, 11:15:42 AM
Well heck, if your gonna bag on O'Reilly too then, have at it bud.
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Nash on May 22, 2003, 11:27:05 AM
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
...even Mr. No Spin Bill O'Reilly...


Whatcha mean by thiz, Syz?
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Syzygyone on May 22, 2003, 11:37:27 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Whatcha mean by thiz, Syz?


Surely you jest, sir!
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Syzygyone on May 22, 2003, 11:39:33 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well heck, if your gonna bag on O'Reilly too then, have at it bud.


Yeah, even if I agree with some of their points, I never have liked arrogant bullies, conservative or otherwise.
Title: Nah...I don't like Billary
Post by: weazel on May 22, 2003, 11:41:20 AM
Anymore than you do....besides, I have to be nice here.

When I go on a tear it will be at your place.  ;)

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Originally posted by LePaul
There are days Weazel's posts like this are missed.

But he's probably standing in line, hoping to be the first to get Hilary's new book when its unveiled in June.

:p
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: LePaul on May 22, 2003, 11:59:56 AM
LMAO!

This is true...very true.  G rated here, pretty much anything goes back in my yard ;)
Title: Matrix: Republican
Post by: Nash on May 22, 2003, 12:39:49 PM
No jest Syz. Not a big deal - just curious wot that means.
Title: Re: Re: A White House Fluent In Language Of Fanatics
Post by: Sandman on May 22, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
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Originally posted by Syzygyone
Sandy my boy:

Don't denegrate your opinions or thoughts by using her for support.  You can do better on your own!



:D :D :D


I am aware of Huffington's history. Still, some of what she has to say does resonate.

I can't say as much for Coulter. :D
Title: Re: Re: Re: A White House Fluent In Language Of Fanatics
Post by: Nifty on May 22, 2003, 03:00:34 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I can't say as much for Coulter. :D

T-15 seconds before Hortlund comes in to defend his woman!
:D