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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: bfreek on May 20, 2003, 07:41:23 PM
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because its a UFO
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Because every other bish base looks like this:
N1K N1K N1K N1K N1K N1K
N1K N1K N1K N1K N1K
N1K N1K N1K N1K
N1K N1K N1K N1K
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Originally posted by devious
Because every other bish base looks like this:
N1K N1K N1K N1K N1K N1K
N1K N1K N1K N1K N1K
N1K N1K N1K N1K
N1K N1K N1K N1K
That's only during the day when the Asian nationals are in prime time. Once the prime log-on time starts sweeping over Europe and the US its:
N1K SPIT N1K SPIT P51 SPIT LA7 N1K LA7 P51 TYPH SPIT TYPH LA7
All of which succumb to my secret weapon for the past 2 tours.
It would be nice if the Japanese planeset was expanded to include another competitive fighter instead of seeing the same n1k2 offering over and over.
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"We are gathered here today to mourn the passing of original thought on the Aces High BBS..."
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Originally posted by Mathman
"We are gathered here today to mourn the passing of original thought on the Aces High BBS..."
AMEN to that. Who cares. Fly what you want, shoot them all down :D
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People dont like the N1k because the physics model is laughable. You can stand the thing on its tail at 10K and drift backwards. No engine torque, and not enough drag.
What it basically boils down to is that a 3 day rookie can shoot down a 3-4 year player because the plane rewards "bad moves" that would get you shot down in any other aircraft.
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and that is after it was fixed
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seems slow to me and slow to dive and slow to respond at high speed havent really put one to work in the main server.
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N1K SPIT N1K SPIT P51 SPIT LA7 N1K LA7 P51 TYPH SPIT TYPH LA7
No kidding! Ugh, the MA has gotten so stale.
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i love them... it's darwin's way of showing me who needs culling.
:D
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Originally posted by Shane
i love them... it's darwin's way of showing me who needs culling.
:D
Wow, thanks Shane. I have a new word in my vocabulary, I had to look that one up.
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It is laughable that the only plane in the whole set you have to WORK hard to stall is the n1k. Which incidentally has one of the biggest engines in the game (2000HP).
P38 and N1k , one with counter-rotating props, the other single engined. Both on WEP. Nose up 90 degrees. The n1k will hang on prop just as long as the P-38 with no effort whatsoever from the pilot.. just like the 38 (uhh.. wtf?). Then there's the recovery! The n1k, even though it has its 2000HP engine on full WEP, will flip over and is capable of instantly turning HARD without any stall behaviour right after exiting the hang-on-prop trick, again, laughable for a plane that should be having almost the same control problems as a 109g10 on WEP at 80mph.
Add 4 cannons with d1.2 singleping cripple/killing ability and boatload of ammo to spray...on top of that the plane retains almost full control at high speeds. The n1k doesnt have a "sluggish" control , its either full control of roll and elevator or instant compression lock (at 450ish mph).
The only con this plane has is its top speed, which is just a dozen mph slower than some of the fastest nonperked plane. A N1k at 300mph chasing a 350mph P51 on a dive will see the n1k staying inside d1.1 for about 5 seconds before the P51's superior dive gainst its higher top speed before the n1k... but not even a P-51 can outrun 200+ 20mm rounds being sprayed in its direction.
Combine all the above magical features and you get a ride that rewards a flying style of cannon spraying, 80mph 6g turning with no stalls, point-and-shoot QUAKEACM akin to Wing Commander (do n1k pilots have blue hair?).
Therefore it is no wonder that the diehard n1k pilots that commonly land 4 kills per sortie, cant do ZILCH in any other plane, including the other "powerplanes" like spitIX and La7.
A poor pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a competent pilot in any other plane.
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The N1K is God's gift to the Spit V.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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"What it basically boils down to is that a 3 day rookie can shoot down a 3-4 year player because the plane rewards "bad moves" that would get you shot down in any other aircraft"
Your joking ? ... right ? ... 1 vs 1 ?
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You can tell what side of the bell curve a person is on by what he calls it .
"niki"
Lmao .
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"A poor pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a competent pilot in any other plane"
Somehow I don't see this statement as supporting your views.
I would have thought you might have said ...
A poor pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a crappy pilot in any other plane.
or
A good pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a poor pilot in any other plane.
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slapshot, on a 1-1 a novice pilot in a n1k that at least knows how to use the views will give a good pilot in *any other plane* a hard time if both start co-e, co-alt.
and by hard time I mean it will take much more effort from your part to shoot him down compared to what it would take to shoot the novice down if he was in a zero/spit/etcetc.
Bring anyone from MSCFS1 or WW2OL to AH and they will be completely lost and utterly incapable of shooting a C47 down ; but put them in a n1k, who'se FM they are used to and the gonzofirepower they are used to.. and voila! 2-4 kills easy.
Edit: you replied as I replied ;)
What I mean is a poor skill pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a competent skill pilot in any other plane. I dont mean "someone who drives the n1k poorly" (can such a thing be possible I wonder?!).
To give you a mental picture, 2 kids with bycicles, both bikes go at the same speed... but one of them has training wheels the othe one doesnt. The contest is to see which one can go the fastest before losing balance and falling over. Guess which of the 2 kids will fall over first?
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if you see a hoarde of niki's up a Hurri IIC... :D
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Originally posted by OIO
Bring anyone from MSCFS1 or WW2OL to AH and they will be completely lost and utterly incapable of shooting a C47 down ; but put them in a n1k, who'se FM they are used to and the gonzofirepower they are used to.. and voila! 2-4 kills easy.
excuse me? i came from CFS1 and i manage just fine!
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so you were able to get 3-4 kills in a plane other than a n1k in the 1st day you came here from MCSFS1?
Oh, and I up a spit1 when i see n1k horde. Nothing like humiliating those $#@$ with 303 goodness. You can actually see them panic after the first 10 bursts of 303 you put into them, they try all this crazy cheese and auger. :D :D :D
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Originally posted by OIO
slapshot, on a 1-1 a novice pilot in a n1k that at least knows how to use the views will give a good pilot in *any other plane* a hard time if both start co-e, co-alt.
and by hard time I mean it will take much more effort from your part to shoot him down compared to what it would take to shoot the novice down if he was in a zero/spit/etcetc.
I totally disagree. As a complete and total newbie way back when (back before they even "corrected" the N1K), I considered N1Ks comparable to a Spit IX if not marginally worse. Of the two, I preferred facing a N1K. And I hardly believe that a novice in a N1K gives a truly good pilot any more trouble than any other plane. If you're clueless, you're clueless no matter what you fly. Thankfully, the N1K is slow enough that it's easy to make the clueless pay for their mistakes.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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n1k is not slow. Oh wait, unless you compare it to the La7 or P51 yes it is. but for the vast majority of the MA planeset, its just as fast if not faster.
The n1k is a spitIX without the stall behaviour under 100mph (even with 2000HP engine), 4 cannons with twice the ammo and that retains almost full roll/elevator control at high speeds (whereas spits really lock up).
And of the 2 I prefer to face a spitIX. Got half the amount of guns being sprayed at me, got the ability to dive away from it (once 350mph achieved in dive, you can safely roll your plane (if your plane has good high speed control) and dive "in another direction", which the spit cannot follow.
Last night a n1k I DOVE ON from 5k alt adv, my 38 being 380mph when the n1k jinked and evaded; the n1k dove after me and stayed well inside d1.0 spraying cannon. It wasnt until my 38 was 460 mph that the n1k lost ground, but the unavoidable 20mm spray plinked 1 engine and pilot out of the fight. And I was lucky, usually such plinks rip out wings and tails. And it is precisely that kind of point-shoot flying that tinkerbell plane allows that makes it THE ride of choice of novice pilots. Because it gets kills without much knowledge of the game or ACM in general.
Refer to my previous bycicle with training wheels analogy.
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Hmmmmm ... still contemplating the bicyle vs bicycle conundrum ... :D but ...
If a 3 day newbie comes at me in an N1K ... 1 vs 1 ... I would think that he/she will lose 9 out of 10 times (with or without training wheels).
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Originally posted by SlapShot
If a 3 day newbie comes at me in an N1K ... 1 vs 1 ... I would think that he/she will lose 9 out of 10 times (with or without training wheels).
While it should be 99 times out of 100. BTW, nikis and spits are just the same.
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Originally posted by OIO
To give you a mental picture, 2 kids with bycicles, both bikes go at the same speed... but one of them has training wheels the othe one doesnt. The contest is to see which one can go the fastest before losing balance and falling over. Guess which of the 2 kids will fall over first? [/B]
That would be the guy with the training wheel!!
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
While it should be 99 times out of 100. BTW, nikis and spits are just the same.
I don't know about you, but I would be bored after the 10th fight. :D
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Originally posted by OIO
Last night a n1k I DOVE ON from 5k alt adv, my 38 being 380mph when the n1k jinked and evaded; the n1k dove after me and stayed well inside d1.0 spraying cannon. It wasnt until my 38 was 460 mph that the n1k lost ground, but the unavoidable 20mm spray plinked 1 engine and pilot out of the fight. And I was lucky, usually such plinks rip out wings and tails. And it is precisely that kind of point-shoot flying that tinkerbell plane allows that makes it THE ride of choice of novice pilots. Because it gets kills without much knowledge of the game or ACM in general.
And so here we have again the inevitable personal anecdote as proof positive of the failings of the plane rather than the failings of the pilot.
If you dove with 5k alt on a N1K and died, you seriously misjudged his E state and your abilities. Why didn't you zoom climb, one of the 38's best attributes? At 460mph, why didn't you roll and create some horizontal seperation between you and him at high speed? I'm baffled that you would use such an embarrassing encounter as your proof of the N1K's uberness.
The N1K possesses neither amazing abilities nor unpredictable attributes. The fact that, apparently, it continues to kill you in surprising ways means that you consistently underestimate those predictable and mundane abilities. Adjust your flying accordingly.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Damn...I have never seen more blatant exaggerration in my life before reading this thread. Some of you really need to get laid or something.
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I know I do.
Ah ... mawwiage.
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I'll throw in on Leviathn's side here I'm afraid. The N1K isn't all that special if you run into one alone. Below 10k it might be a very slightly bit better than the Spit IX (it is marginally faster, and climbs marginally better, turns marginally better, and I would assume it accelerates at least as well), but above 10k it is no contest. The Spit IX is definately the better plane overall, in my opinion (although the N1K is definately a good plane).
The Spit IX actually seems to have better vertical performance at low levels, at least thats how it seems fighting Spit v N1K in the DA. The N1K turns a very slight bit better when it gets its flaps down.
How big a threat the N1K is depends on what you are in. All of the US planes except the F4F/FM2 and P40 are faster than the N1K on the deck, same for the VVS planes. The Typhoon is much faster, the Spitfire IX has an even money shot at killing it in a fight, the Spit V can probably kill a N1K a bit more than half the time (especially if the N1K pilot is dumb and turns with the Spit). A Hurricane will probably get Bore N zoomed to death, if the N1K turns with it the Hurri will get an easy kill. Early LW stuff (190a5/a8, 109E&F) are in trouble, the others can run or E-fight.
Overall I'd say the N1K is about as good as a Spit IX (although I personally prefer the Spit, 1 ping kills are tough to beat), so if you have trouble dealing with Spit IX's in your ride of choice you'll have problems with N1Ks too. I think most people do stupid things that get them killed and then blame it on the "super N1K/Spit syndrome".
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Not considering guns, george is only marginally better than the folgore . In fact if you meet up with a n1k2 in a 202 and it's not one of the 343rd guys you've just found yourself a good source of perk points .
The capabilities of the george were tested pretty well compared to other planes in a prior thread, and it proved to be nothing remarkable. Do a search on "miracle chopper" .
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a planes a plane...dont matter who pilots it...as long as they dont discover that my 205 or my hurri2c is better than they thought im happy
nik is just a neutered hurri2c with a bit more speed...
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correction -
N1K2 a.k.a 'George'