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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: bfreek on May 20, 2003, 07:47:42 PM
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maybe it's cause I'm not a hot pilot like you
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WOOOOOOooooooooo
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neener neener :D
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I dont hate the La7 i like it!
Its really a great plane in RL and in AH. Sometimes (i have to admitt) i take it for base defense.
The bad thing is the La7 is to easy to fly to give me the fun i want to have in AH. It is no challange and its boring cause its superior in AH combat alts. OTOH it is very interesting if u get bounced by a La7. Most times ur dead but its fun to try to kill it inn ur 190A8.
I would like to see less La7 and less Spit and less N1k just for more diversity ( to Flyboy in his P40).
BTW a little tip for newbies: I can only recommend to NOT take N1k Spit Lala. Instead take a F4U P47 KI61 205 110 190 109 P40 F6F... cause these pllanes will teach u ACM.
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Lavochkin La-7 is a perfect plane built for defensive mode. I recomend to bring typhoon or P-38 if you gonna fight enemy planes and straffe targets in 1 sortie.
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La-7 is not a LaGG.
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ps) Virtually as fast as the Tempest, has three cannons, 450 rounds of 20mms, and boasts outstanding conditions as an MA fighter, and it is unperked. Plenty enough reason for me to hate 'em.
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"Virtually as fast as the Tempest"
Key word here is virtually ... Does it fly any faster than its supposed to fly ?
"has three cannons"
Big deal ... probably the WORST cannons of any WWII airplane. Ballistic suck compared to other cannon equipped planes.
"450 rounds of 20mms"
Not alot by any standard.
"boasts outstanding conditions as an MA fighter"
Is the AH version flying out of its RL envelope ?
The real reason that the La-7 is not liked ...
"The La-7 was a development of the La-5, which was very similar in appearance. It was fitted with a 1850hp (1380Kw) Shvetsov radial engine. Armament was increased to three ShVak 20mm cannons. The oil radiator was moved to the lower center of the fuselage. The La-7 had increase in speed of about 10-15mph over the La-5."
"Due to the improvements it was preferred by many Soviet Aces for its speed, maneuverability, firepower and general performance. The La-7 prototype first flew in early 1944.
The La-7 was about 44mph faster than the FW-190 (its main nemesis)."
"With its improvements over the previous Lavochkin fighters, the La-7 became the preferred mount of many of the Soviet air force's top aces like Ivan Kozhedub (62 kills) and Major Sultan Amet-Khan (30 kills). Combat experience demonstrated the La-7's ability to tangle with the best of the Luftwaffe, the Bf109 and the FW190 at nearly any altitude."
I would assume that its mostly the FW jockeys who dislike the La-7 the most, cause the La-7 is one of the few planes that it can't run from when they have made a mistake.
The La-7 is not perked cause it keeps the runners in check !!!
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I don't hate the La7,I hate the people that fly them.
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People dislike the La7 because at the altitudes that most fighting is done in the MA, the La7 is the fastest aircraft. It can engage and disengage at will.
As an example - lets say your in the middle of a great fight with an La7, you then gain the advantage and will be in a position to fire soon. The La7 can basicaly choose to turn tail and run - and you cant do anything about it. So you chase for a minute, give up, turn around, to go find someone else. Once the La7 sees you have disengaged, he will turn and follow - catch you - engage you, loose the advantage, run away again, rinse, repeat.
Its smart flying on the part of the La7 guy, but again, just like the N1k, the La7 allows the pilot to make multiple mistakes during the course of an engagement and still dictate the pace of the fight. It just gets tiresome after awhile.
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Another couple reasons to be burned out on the LA7 plague.
1) 2/3 of all enemy planes are the LA7. It's getting really old.
2) Certain vets still only fly the LA7 and continue to bash newbies on channel 1 over how "great they are". It would different if they had the grapefruits to actually fly a plane that took skill/courage/ACM to survive instead of flying straight lines back and forth.
3) Face it we all know you fly it to run away from threats, not to chase them down.
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LaGG 7 doesn't exist, but if it did I'm sure I'd like it! Both as a ride and as a target.
MiG
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
People dislike the La7 because at the altitudes that most fighting is done in the MA, the La7 is the fastest aircraft. It can engage and disengage at will.
This is not (only) a matter of speed its a matter of acceleration.
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Saurdaukar ... how 'bout this scenario
As an example - lets say your in the middle of a great fight with an 190, you then gain the advantage and will be in a position to fire soon. The 190 can basicaly choose to turn tail and run - and you cant do anything about it. So you chase for a minute, give up, turn around, to go find someone else. Once the 190 sees you have disengaged, he will turn and follow - catch you - engage you, loose the advantage, run away again, rinse, repeat.
Its smart flying on the part of the 190 guy, but again, just like the 109, the 190 allows the pilot to make multiple mistakes during the course of an engagement and still dictate the pace of the fight. It just gets tiresome after awhile.
The thing that will piss the 190/109 pilot the most is that if in the scenario above, they are fighting an La-7, then can't get away.
SunKing ...
1) 2/3 of all enemy planes are the LA7. It's getting really old.
Complete conjecture on your part. This is not what I see at all. Show some cold hard facts to support this.
2) Certain vets still only fly the LA7 and continue to bash newbies on channel 1 over how "great they are". It would different if they had the grapefruits to actually fly a plane that took skill/courage/ACM to survive instead of flying straight lines back and forth.
Never have I seen anyone on Ch 1 even remotely extoll how "great they are", nevermind "bash" them about it.
Please ... what plane(s) does one have to fly in order to be a card carrying member in your "grapefruit" club. On second thought, I like mine just the way they are. I don't need to be adjust big fruits in my pants everytime I stand up.
3) Face it we all know you fly it to run away from threats, not to chase them down.
LOL ... yup, the whine to perk La-7 is because all La-7 pilots run from threats. Just think about the logic of your statement ... stupid ... right ?
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has anyone been in a mission where everyone flies Lavochkin La-7s as a bomber escort for the IL-2s and Yak-9T as the AAA (ack) supression?
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So?
I hate unperked G-10s, D-9s, P-51Ds, Yak-9Us, Typhoons and P-38Ls too.
Satisfied now?
Where's this assumption coming from that the people who hate La-7s, love to fly something else just as fast?
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i hate it because it dont exist
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By the amount of complaining and grousing I see concerning the LA7 by some of the hottest pilots in AH,,,,this must be a good thing.:D I've flown most of your planes over the past 12 years in AW and can attest you guys have gotta be the Aces of Aces. Uber Men.
Why complain??:confused: Just shoot the stinkin little things down and get on with being the best. This reminds me of interviews with German pilots and how they felt when a red nosed LA7 25 kill Russian ace showed up and they all ducked their FW's and scattered.
I fly the LA7 because it does everything you complain about. I have 2 ACM rules of engagement: 1. I won't pull the trigger if I'm not between 50 to 200 yds from you. 2. I won't shoot you when you are hangin in your chute. Other wise I know when my little red nosed rocket shows up, all of you are gonna stop what ever your doing to kick my tush.
I want to thank you all for collectively turning me into an Uber Pilot like your selves. Just think, if you didn't care so much I would just be the stinking lousy pilot I've always been with no hope of ever improving.:rolleyes: But, because you guys hate me so much I never have a moments peace in AH.:) I'm always running hiter and yonder from a pack of IRATE:eek: Aces and protectors of the True Way OF THE AH trying to blow off my tail parts.
I really am a very lousy AH ACM pilot...check my scores. Guys, I have been playing AW since the late 80's. You folks are better than most I ever saw in AW. LA7 should be ezy peezy peice of cake for each of you to chew up and spit out.
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Originally posted by SunKing
2) Certain vets still only fly the LA7 and continue to bash newbies on channel 1 over how "great they are". It would different if they had the grapefruits to actually fly a plane that took skill/courage/ACM to survive instead of flying straight lines back and forth.
lol. it's not the noobies i slam, it's the weakarsed "vets" or "almost vets" who themselves don't know any acm other than HO or gang.
anytime you want to get squeakslapped in the DA, just ask. i'll even let you call the plane. how about... fw190a5's?
then we'll see who actually understands "ACM." and who has the "grapefruits."
you see, been there done that, got the t-shirt that says "runners suck."
hmmmmm?
lol.
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Shane .. the LA-7 weenie. :D
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UDET .. self control .. breath deep..in...out...in...out.
la7 doesnt seem that spectacular except at under 15k
far as whether its is a lagg, ragg, nagg, studmuffing ..who cares ...ya know what i'm talking about.
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How do you run away in MA anyway.? Every time I think Ive run away from one group in my LA7, I run into another and get killed. Some body in a N1K, spit, FW, BF, Poni, 38, 47, 202, 205, buff or just in a jeep with a duce kills me.
Then when I get into a furball on someones tail, either my own kills it before I do over my shoulder or one of the red guys ruins my day along with 3 of his frinds in a trian behind me.
I hear Shane charms enimies to sleep with his LA7 and paints his name on their rudders. How come no hue and cry about Shane the Unfair lala driver ??:rolleyes: Sorry Shane you are a public Icon in AH of well earned skill.
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-----I know I can fly, I just wish I could keep my tail parts attached to my planes long enough to show ya------:)
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Shane puppets as bait .... for shame, Oopsy. ;)
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Too many danged Spits, N1Ks and LA7s. But the LA7 is the biggest crutch of them all. And 450 rounds of 20mm IS a lot...it doesn't take as much to bring someone down and so in comparitive terms, the 20mm round is worth several 50-calibre bullets. And no tears for you LA7s accelerating out of one fight into another...at least you were able to exit that one fight rather than have to stay and duke it out. That's just poor SA. Otherwise, you people take LA7's 'cause you need a handicap.
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Originally posted by Shane
lol. it's not the noobies i slam, it's the weakarsed "vets" or "almost vets" who themselves don't know any acm other than HO or gang.
anytime you want to get squeakslapped in the DA, just ask. i'll even let you call the plane. how about... fw190a5's?
then we'll see who actually understands "ACM." and who has the "grapefruits."
you see, been there done that, got the t-shirt that says "runners suck."
hmmmmm?
lol.
Isn't this about the time you run to the bigweek newsgroup and ask for someone to defend you like before.
You crack me up. You have an excuse or silly name for everyone/everything. If we go to the DA you will either brag or have some reason why I won. God knows I read 10 excuses a night on channel 1 why you were killed. Usually it's the hypocritical "I was ganged excuse". In the MA of all places...sigh
Keep flying that LA7, kill those n00bs and keep insulting them on channel 1, I'm sure the community appreciates that.
You are the essence of dweeb in AH.
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lolololol.
i can clock just about anyone in a plane of their choosing.
face it. you suck. lamer gangers suck. clueless seals, one and all. and the sad thing is no one is out there teaching them anything other than "hey! let's all 5 of us go for that low bogey and prove how skilled we are!"
lol.
when was the last time you took a noob aside and actually showed them something useful? i bet i've done it more than you.
sorry, i simply won't endorse lamosity with a faux .
ask around, ask people if they've gone to the DA with me and what their experience there was. the fact that you're sitting there making all sorts of assumptions only shows me how clueless (and fixated) you are.
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"at least you were able to exit that one fight rather than have to stay and duke it out. That's just poor SA. Otherwise, you people take LA7's 'cause you need a handicap."
LOL .. again, complete generalization and conjecture on your part. I know of 2 La-7 pilots that will not run, and Shane is the other one. I don't know bustr, but it sounds like he won't be runnin' from ya either.
I don't know what country you fly for Puke, but if you run into me and my La-7 I can guarantee you will have your hands full. What most people don't realize is I don't give a rats bellybutton if I get shot down, so there is no real incentive for me to run. I would much rather fight ... thats what I am here for.
I enjoy the 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1, and live for the 1 vs 1. As bustr points out, those types of engagements only make me a better pilot. What I have learned flying the La-7 only transfers to any other plane that I fly, with that, I can be deadly in any plane that I fly.
One of the main reasons that I fly the La-7, and I beleive its one reason Shane flys it, is I abhor the "runners" and with my LaLa, that option usually isn't available.
The La-7 is also the ultimate goon killer. I see a raid coming into a field, I saddle up with 100% fuel and go a huntin'. Nothing better than ruining a raids day by wackin' their goon(s) ... oh ... and their escorts if need be. Once the goon(s) is dead, return to base and help wipe up the leftovers.
I did watch one of Shanes diatribes on Chan 1 and he got the guy to go to the DA with him. I decided to follow and watch in "God Mode". Shane cleaned his clock in every plane the guy choose, but the surprising part of this story is that Shane explained, in great detail, how come the guy lost and what he should have done. Shane then proceeded to make the mistakes, on purpose, so that the other guys could try to execute what Shane was teaching him ... key word here ... TEACHING. Oh .. and when Shane got back to the MA, not one word about the spankings. I do believe that if you did beat him, in the DA, 1 v 1, you will get a <>, but would you not brag when returning to the MA ?
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IMO, there's nothing wrong with the LA7. Its just a P-51 under 15k with the accel of a 109G10 on wep. Fortunately, its got the horrid turn rate of said 109g10 and the same terrible low speed handling of the 109g10 on wep.
Defeat the La7 by making it turn and using its ONLY advantage, its monster acceleration, against it: SCISCOR IT.
The planes that are 100% crutch for the skilless are the spit9 and the n1k. Both are excellent turners and excellent high speed fighters with excellent dive speed and both are armed with a cheeseload of cannon ammo to spray and pray with. Both have no stall behaviour worth mentioning (which I think the n1k's is royally wrong, 2000hp single engine at 40mph and smoother control than a P-38.. bollocks!)
The only disadvantage of the spitIX and N1k is their top speed. Which is a rather insignificant disadvantage since their 20mm cannons cannot be outrun, and these 2 planes WILL stay inside d1.1 for a very long time spraying you.
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First off - none of this is meant as a personal attack, but want to further the discussion here...
Originally posted by SlapShot
I enjoy the 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1, and live for the 1 vs 1. As bustr points out, those types of engagements only make me a better pilot. What I have learned flying the La-7 only transfers to any other plane that I fly, with that, I can be deadly in any plane that I fly.
Okay - now I have to pipe in! Slapshot, do you actually fly anything but the La7? Looking at your stats, I can see you've done a few token runs in a few other planes (although your number 2 ride is the Spit IX)! Or do you fly alot of other planes but you just don't get the kills in something besides the La7?
Originally posted by SlapShot
One of the main reasons that I fly the La-7, and I beleive its one reason Shane flys it, is I abhor the "runners" and with my LaLa, that option usually isn't available.
Well I can't comment here - never met you in combat....
Originally posted by SlapShot
The La-7 is also the ultimate goon killer. I see a raid coming into a field, I saddle up with 100% fuel and go a huntin'. Nothing better than ruining a raids day by wackin' their goon(s) ... oh ... and their escorts if need be. Once the goon(s) is dead, return to base and help wipe up the leftovers.
I would hope you could at least kill a goon with something besides a La7 - I mean.... it's not like they can "run" away very fast!! :D
I also have to disagree with this:
Originally posted by SlapShot
Saurdaukar ... how 'bout this scenario
As an example - lets say your in the middle of a great fight with an 190, you then gain the advantage and will be in a position to fire soon. The 190 can basicaly choose to turn tail and run - and you cant do anything about it. So you chase for a minute, give up, turn around, to go find someone else. Once the 190 sees you have disengaged, he will turn and follow - catch you - engage you, loose the advantage, run away again, rinse, repeat.
Its smart flying on the part of the 190 guy, but again, just like the 109, the 190 allows the pilot to make multiple mistakes during the course of an engagement and still dictate the pace of the fight. It just gets tiresome after awhile.
The thing that will piss the 190/109 pilot the most is that if in the scenario above, they are fighting an La-7, then can't get away.
You're totally wrong here - at least about the part of making mistakes. A 190, if you fly it wrong and get low and slow, you are flat out dead unless very lucky. They don't accelrate nearly as fast as an La7 (not even the Dora), and stall out like you wouldn't believe... I know, I fly them! On the other hand, a La7 low on the deck is a great target for my 190, if I fly it right and don't get sucked into a turn fight down low....
I'm not nearly as afraid of the La7 as when I first started flying AH - I know how to kill one, and I know when I'm basically screwed and will be shot down by one - I just don't understand how some people can pretty much JUST fly La7's? I mean, doesn't it get boring?:D
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Originally posted by Shane
lolololol.
i can clock just about anyone in a plane of their choosing.
face it. you suck. lamer gangers suck. clueless seals, one and all. and the sad thing is no one is out there teaching them anything other than "hey! let's all 5 of us go for that low bogey and prove how skilled we are!"
lol.
when was the last time you took a noob aside and actually showed them something useful? i bet i've done it more than you.
sorry, i simply won't endorse lamosity with a faux .
ask around, ask people if they've gone to the DA with me and what their experience there was. the fact that you're sitting there making all sorts of assumptions only shows me how clueless (and fixated) you are.
Yet another typcial Shane attack of pathetic name calling.
Its always the same from you...
"you suck" attacks.
"baby seal" good one stolen from Fester... get your own material.
"Shane vs the gangers , Shane saves the day" this is soo old and anyone flying the MA can use this.
"Shane kills n00b in DA is proud and brags" continue to drag this through the dirt.
"when was the last time you took a noob aside and actually showed them something useful? i bet i've done it more than you"
Now that is funny. All you do is insult kids that are trying to learn to fly this game. As Soon as I log I see your name scroll the buffer with some belittling comment. I can't believe you are even allowed to continue with the trash you talk on channel 1.
This thread is so over. You've already proven yourself to us. Nothing you say can change the way you act in the MA.
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lol. if you hump my ankle, you bet i'll flip you off.
lol. your cluelessness is manifesting itself very clearly.
"seals" goes back much further than fester.
i don't brag about what happens afterwards in the DA, nor do i bring it back to the MA. shows how little you really know.
lol i insult "kids" lololololol. i'm sure about 98% of the people i address directly are well over the label "kid."
typical ankle humper, you get your bellybutton handed to you first via planes, second via text and then you run off making one last feeble attempt at an insult before proudly announcing a "squelch."
lol. lame. weak. clueless. mommy!! mommy!! make the bad man stop!!!
you can't handle the truth!
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Wineman ...
I love base defense ... so La-7 and Spit will be used the most depending upon the situation. When I fly on squad nights its usually Navy planes or an occasional P-38, and the 110.
You didn't look back far enuff ... Here is what I did in Tour 32. Hardly a "few token runs in a few other planes".
.................. Kills in ...Kills of
La-7...............305 .....19
Panzer IV H ....71 .....46
F6F-5 ..............34 .....21
P-51D .............29 .....39
Ostwind ..........28 .....31
Ship Gunner ....23 .......0
F4U-1D ............20 .....12
N1K2 ...............15 .....15
Spitfire Mk IX ...14 .....25
M-16 ................11 .......7
P-47-D30 .........10 .....11
Bf 110G-2 ..........7 .....12
In Tour 31 my number 1 killer was the FM2. Hardly a "monster" ...
197 kills in ...... 104 deaths in (almost a 2 to 1 K/D ratio)
So as far as I am concerned, I have done my time in the EW planes and others, and can be very deadly in them. I choose to fly the La-7, cause I like the plane, it pisses people off, and mostly I can almost hear the other pilot on the merge saying "oh crap" this guy is not your typical La-7 pilot.
When I go goon huntin' I am, at the max, 20 ft off the deck, and there is nothing faster that can get me to the goon and get the job done. When the goon dies, you can see the wind come right out of their sails and their aggressivness becomes more passive, which will lead to death.
My changing of the La-7 to the 190 in the scenario was not neccesarily describing a 190 vs an La-7. That is what the 190 CAN DO against any other plane EXCEPT the La-7 and its a constant occurence from my observations.
If you fly the La-7 low and slow or get into a scissors, you will die also. Every plane has its weaknesses, ya just gotta know what they are.
You have described exactly what every 190 pilot NEEDS to do when they encounter an La-7. Its the 190 pilot who doesn't do as you described, that cries the most when the La-7 kills him, because if the 190 pilot made the same mistake against ANY other plane, they would be able to RUN and chuckle. Now, in most cases, when the La-7 turns and start to gain, its the inevitable 190 "stick-stir" as the last resort. I love when a guy does that ... keep burning the E that you might have had.
Wineman .. you comments weren't taken personally and I am not trying to start an argument here ... I am just sick and tired of people pissin' and moano' about this plane, when it barely keeps a 1 K/D ratio for a whole tour. Its not invincible, its not uber, its the perception that it is that causes of all the whining. With that perception, the other pilot has usually already lost the fight, so they cry foul and feel the need to whine.
The 190 and 109 use to frustrate the hell out of me. Not anymore. I learned how to avoid them (with ease) and learned what their weaknesses are, and when they make the mistake and show thier "underbelly", they die. I didn't come running to the BBS and whine that they keep killing me or they run so fast, so they must be uber and thus need to be perked.
Oh .. my favorite wine ... Joseph Phelps - Insignia
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Shane's a scumbag, but at least he's a scumbag that fights, which sets him apart from 89% of the players in the MA .
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Originally posted by SlapShot
In Tour 31 my number 1 killer was the FM2. Hardly a "monster" ...
197 kills in ...... 104 deaths in (almost a 2 to 1 K/D ratio)
Well, I must not have gone back far enough (not checking now), but if you had an FM2 as your number 1 plane in a tour, that is very admirable.
Originally posted by SlapShot
and mostly I can almost hear the other pilot on the merge saying "oh crap" this guy is not your typical La-7 pilot.
... I am just sick and tired of people pissin' and moano' about this plane, when it barely keeps a 1 K/D ratio for a whole tour. Its not invincible, its not uber, its the perception that it is that causes of all the whining.
I have to disagree in the sense that I think the only reason it has near a 1 K/D ratio is because so many newbies fly it that haven't really learned how yet, and they get picked off by people like me who target La7s first whenever they see one. "Not your typical La7 pilot" is when they ARE so dangerous, because I think the plane really is better than most if not all the other no perk rides.
Originally posted by SlapShot
If you fly the La-7 low and slow or get into a scissors, you will die also. Every plane has its weaknesses, ya just gotta know what they are.
That is true, and that is what I count on....
Originally posted by SlapShot
Its the 190 pilot who doesn't do as you described, that cries the most when the La-7 kills him, because if the 190 pilot made the same mistake against ANY other plane, they would be able to RUN and chuckle.
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LOL - I do have to say, I don't ever "cry" when I get killed by an La7, except if the pilot's name is something like 436438!!
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"LOL - I do have to say, I don't ever "cry" when I get killed by an La7, except if the pilot's name is something like 436438!!
LOL ... rgr that !!!
"I have to disagree in the sense that I think the only reason it has near a 1 K/D ratio is because so many newbies fly it that haven't really learned how yet, and they get picked off by people like me who target La7s first whenever they see one."
Ya kinda painted yourself into a corner on this one. If this is true, then why is there such whining and moaning. La-7s should be easy pickins as would any plane, if flown by a beginner. Get my logic ? Some people fly around in planes that allow them to BnZ with impunity and its the La-7 that ruins their day ... well ... sorry about that !!!
"Not your typical La7 pilot" is when they ARE so dangerous, because I think the plane really is better than most if not all the other no perk rides.
Oh well ... Lifes a squeak and then ya die ... :D Just kidding ... I get your point, but there are few that fill that bill, so the chances of getting your day ruined by an La-7 are very slim.
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After all its atomic powered. Flies forever without gas.
-Blogs
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Originally posted by joeblogs
After all its atomic powered. Flies forever without gas.
-Blogs
Range 395 miles (636 km)
Hardly atomic but more than enough to fly many sectors in the MA when fully loaded. Glide/Slope is less than desirable when empty.
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The La-7 is God's gift to the Spit V.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The La-7 is God's gift to the Spit V.
-- Todd/Leviathn
LOL
Lev ... I thought it was the N1K ? :D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Lev ... I thought it was the N1K ? :D
God loves His children! :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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smells of elderberries with whipped dweeb on top.
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When I flew the La7 alot I would always come across spit and Pony and other pilots that would instantly scissor to defeat an La7. Man that cost alot of them thier lives. But then there was Levy.
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Someone said he hates runners and so that's why he flies the LA7? That strikes me as being a catch-22 because the LA7s are the most capable runners out there.
I never run into Shane except for one day. We had three fights, me in my P-51B and him in his LA7. I believe the first one he beat me fair and square, though I do believe I got a ping or two in on him but four-50's just don't cut the mustard in this game. The 2nd fight was just him and me until a country-mate of his snuck in on the fight and zapped me without ever seeing him/her. 3rd fight I decide to try to take the LA7 low and slow and hopefully take advantage of what I hear about the LA7's poor low speed handling. I chase him while he's "extending" and then he reverses to fight. We go at it and I get the fight low and slow and in a very slow but tight turn I decide to reverse hoping he'd lose control and I near lost control myself...then he slams into the ground. But it wasn't that he made any mistakes and lost, it was his frame rate or something he claims. I believe I saved this on film.
Found the film. I've never heard of lag making your own aircraft stall when trying to reverse. And dang, he's fast on the reply in the buffer ready for an explanation...must be a macro.
:D
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"Someone said he hates runners and so that's why he flies the LA7? That strikes me as being a catch-22 because the LA7s are the most capable runners out there.
But the part you didn't "catch" is that I don't run. I use its abilties to "catch". I have no incentive to run. I DONT CARE if I die. I like to RTB as much as the next guy, but I don't lose any sleep if I don't ... its the fight that I enjoy, and if I die, aw shucks, hopefully I learn something from the fight and use it for the next.
I might extend to recover (I don't consider that running), because I want to continue to fight on my terms. I usually go no futher then 1k separation before I reverse, but I will be back.
Hey .. if we run into each other (I am a Knight), you just might dust me off ... such is life ... You'll get a big <> and I will get over it instantly, but I promise you, you will be in for a fight.
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All you jokels and cowboys from the midwest or whatever can scream all that you want, but it is still kinda embarrassing that the No.1 sim in the US has a top 5 list that says:
1. Spit
2. P-51 (at least some proud americans :D!)
3. N1K2
4. La-7
5. Typhoon
IF AH player where a true ww2 warbirds lover comunity and somehow reflecting the most populare fightermaschines from ww2 of all time, it would probably look like this:
1. P-51
2. Spit
3. ME-109
4. P-47
5. P-38/FW-190/Zero
AH may not be the most realistic simulatiuon when it comes to ww2 enviroment, but when it comes to simulate a piece of the real world, it shurly is outstanding. Take a good look around you, next time you sit together with 500 strangers on a boat or something. You could problably share a beer or two with 5% of them, but the rest of them are complete stunninghunks! :D
So, i'll too grab a N1K2/La7 once or twice, but only if i am completly drunk and have a strange desire of beeing a big time stunninghunk.... :p
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I notice there are no japanese planes on your second list .
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Originally posted by Puke
Someone said he hates runners and so that's why he flies the LA7? That strikes me as being a catch-22 because the LA7s are the most capable runners out there.
I never run into Shane except for one day. We go at it and I get the fight low and slow and in a very slow but tight turn I decide to reverse hoping he'd lose control and I near lost control myself...then he slams into the ground. But it wasn't that he made any mistakes and lost, it was his frame rate or something he claims. I believe I saved this on film.
ty for proving yourself a slobberdonkey. how many on your own side in that screenshot mention lag? let's see.... bnshill, freeze and RR; even ripsnort chimes in (with rip providing the cause of the lag). jpeg and scSpinQ also note the lag.
back then i was still on a 333 p2 and lag from a mass goonie raid would take my fps down to 2-3 or even 0, which is when i probably smacked into the ground giving you a proxy.
stats for that (tour 31) show we met twice and each took away a victory, me in la7 over your 51b and you in 51b over la7 (that's your 51b, or is that your la7, in the screenie, right?) nothing anywhere about you in la7 v me in la7.
lol. try harder. maybe you'll even manage to argue your own POV instead of mine.
oh, and btw, is this where the rest of the 332nd step in on sunking's behalf? lololol.
:D
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is slobber donkey the new word for tard???
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Check out the duration (in minutes) in AH at full power. It's twice what the plane could actually do.
-Blogs
Originally posted by SlapShot
Range 395 miles (636 km)
Hardly atomic but more than enough to fly many sectors in the MA when fully loaded. Glide/Slope is less than desirable when empty.
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"So, i'll too grab a N1K2/La7 once or twice, but only if i am completly drunk and have a strange desire of beeing a big time stunninghunk....
Well aren't you special ...
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Originally posted by joeblogs
Check out the duration (in minutes) in AH at full power. It's twice what the plane could actually do.
-Blogs
Where did you find that tidbit ? I would like to see it ... ah nevermind ... I don't last longer than 1/2 hour in an La-7 and I doubt very strongly anybody else would last long enuff to reach the limit of 1 hour, nevermind 2, so its a mute point.
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Shane,,,, I've followed you around in a LA7 trying to learn how you fly them. By no means have I been able to stay with you through a furball. What I have seen you do is completely the opposite of all the complaints about LA7 runny dweebeiys.
I don't know how you do it, but you stay with the furball and it looks like you turn and burn, then come back out vertical before re-engaging. I watched you do a high front quarter snap shot with 5 or 6 rounds, pass over the kill, then the turn you pulled back around into a second kill is what I could not follow. I over shot with too much E and someone removed my rudder and sent me into the drink.
I have read Russian Pilot reports from LA7 aces. They mixed it up and dominated the Germans. So how do you fly the LA7 that way. I don't want to run away, the little beast just needs speed to work right.
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-----It always seems like such a waste of talent every time I run into 6 of them and die later than 30 seconds. I know I'm more talented, and with practice can get it down to 5 or 6 seconds.------:p
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Hardware ... high speed internet. ;)
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From a very long thread that compares US navy fighters to the La-7. Tilt posted the actually flight test data and F4uDOA had all the numbers needed for the US planes...
-Blogs
Originally posted by SlapShot
Where did you find that tidbit ? I would like to see it ... ah nevermind ... I don't last longer than 1/2 hour in an La-7 and I doubt very strongly anybody else would last long enuff to reach the limit of 1 hour, nevermind 2, so its a mute point.
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Shane,
Your bravado is getting real old. I've never jumped in on this topic but now it's time. Yes, there was lag. It not only affected you, but did you ever figure it affected me as well? Still, all I ever see lag do is make other aircraft warp. With your slow connect, can you imagine what it might have been for me trying to tangle with you? I've never seen lag affect my lift and stall me into the ground though. That's not lag induced and I thought frame rate was dependent on what your computer is trying to draw. You ar flying over the terrain on your FE. Our fight was just you and me out in the boonies with nopoop coming in from the distance who arrives right as you kiss dirt. No smoke, no one else in icon range, nothing to really impact your frame rate. Maybe my computer is somehow something special in regards to lag, but lag only affects me by making the other aircraft zip around but I still fly smoothly as ever. But even if it were lag induced, are your garbonzo beans so small that you feel you must explain away a loss in the fear someone may think poorly of you?
And yes, that's my 51B...full flaps out. I saved that film because I found them interesting fights. In all my time here, I've never flown an LA7, be it online or offline. Not once. Not sure why you bring up me being in an LA7 in that shot. Make no mistake, this isn't anything about bravado on my part though. No where do I say I'm the better pilot and I don't blame anything other than being outflown when having lost to you...not to the alignment of the stars or the cat giving me dirty looks which distracted me or a squeeky joystick or lag or even a child grabbing my arm for attention which has happened and might have that day, but you'd never know. Point being, you always have an excuse to degrees more than anyone else in here. Think about that. That's all the point people typically make about you. Just give a "good job" every once in a while even if you feel the other guy got lucky. It'll put hairs on your chest.
Anyway, now I feel dirty. I shouldn't have ever gotten involved in this one.
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Originally posted by Puke
Shane,
Your bravado is getting real old. I've never jumped in on this topic but now it's time. Yes, there was lag. It not only affected you, but did you ever figure it affected me as well? Still, all I ever see lag do is make other aircraft warp. With your slow connect, can you imagine what it might have been for me trying to tangle with you? I've never seen lag affect my lift and stall me into the ground though. That's not lag induced. Quite funny you jump on that as your excuse so fast that it almost looks like a macro. But even if it were lag induced, are your garbonzo beans so small that you feel you must explain away a loss in the fear someone may think poorly of you?
And yes, that's my 51B...full flaps out. I saved that film because I found them interesting fights. In all my time here, I've never flown an LA7, be it online or offline. Not once. Not sure why you bring up me being in an LA7 in that shot. Make no mistake, this isn't anything about bravado on my part though. No where do I say I'm the better pilot and I don't blame anything other than being outflown when having lost to you...not to the alignment of the stars or the cat giving me dirty looks which distracted me or a squeeky joystick or lag or even a child grabbing my arm for attention which has happened and might have that day, but you'd never know. Point being, you always have an excuse to degrees more than anyone else in here. Think about that. That's all the point people typically make about you. Just give a "good job" every once in a while even if you feel the other guy got lucky. It'll put hairs on your chest.
Anyway, now I feel dirty. I shouldn't have ever gotten involved in this one.
pay attention while i type reaaaaallll slow for you - try and find someone who can dispute what i'm about to squeakslap you with.
p2 333 getting between 10-35fps depending hits massive server lag, fps drops to 3 or worst case 0. at 0 to 3 fps my screen is not getting updated until that lag passes. (note: i had cable, still do - the lag effect was entirely beating down my slow *system* not connect. the fact that you presumed i had a slow connect shows me just how little you understand about how things work.)
during that 0-3fps, my screen is not getting updated and if i were low on the deck i could easily run right into the ground and then presto auger when the lag passed, because while i was at 0-3fps (slide slow to pure screen freeze) i could not make timely input to avoid the ground that i couldn't even tell was filling up my screen.
are you still with me? the lag effected my fps/ability to input moreso than the connection per se, altho' they're both related.
ask skuzzy if you doubt that a server lag like that would have created a tremendous hit on my fps. the fact that it didn't affect you to the extent it did me, only indicates you had/have a system that was decently able to deal with this issue. what was/is your system specs back when this occurred?
yeah, it affected just about everyone to an extent, some moreso than others (like me). my vid card/cpu combo gagged trying to keep up with what was occurring. did your fps at that time drop down to 0-3fps? or were you perhaps ok at 20+ fps? and only suffering text lag, but not input lag?
now do you see how that lag affected my vid card which affected my ability to pull out of what was a terminal angle? it didn't "stall" me out, i just didn't have the feedback necessary to be able to avoid the ground - all i could have done (and might have) would have been to pull the stick back all the way and hope i pull out before hitting the ground (which could also have lead to a stall).
let me sum this up real slow again, server lag plus low-end system = massive fps hit, dropping fps to 0-3fps which, as you might not be aware, is a slideshow (3fps) or a screen that is simply not being updated (0fps).... yet the server is still "tracking" my plane, which in the absence of any input led to an auger when the system finally updated on my end. how can i avoid that which i can't see coming?
and look what i said in that picture you so nicely linked. "lol, damn server lag." and i can imagine later in that film (post a screenie will ya) i might have mentioned how that server burp induced a very low fps leading to the auger which you got a proxy kill on.
i'll admit to misreading when you said "decided to take the la7 low and slow." at first glance it seemed to me that you took an la7 up yourself, but my bad... irrelevant to the main issue anyway.
interesting how people always attribute as a "whine/excuse" something that simply occurred that contributed to the incident.
think what you want, i know what happened. simple fact, if that mass-troop induced server lag had not occurred, who knows how that encounter migt have turned out.
with my system i have now, that event probably would have only dropped me to 30-40fps, perhaps with some text lag/ damage lag thrown in. there's a world of difference between even 15fps and 0-3fps.
hope this clue didn't hurt you too much.
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squeakslap? Oh my.
It's always the little dogs that bark the loudest.
The whole point is that you always have an excuse and feel the need to let your opponent/s know what that excuse is. One person in thousands in here. Many others have lousy systems or what-have-you and you don't hear them crying out making sure everyone know just what it was that caused them to lose the fight. Who cares. Zip-it dot com.
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oooooooo.... guess that clue hit harder than i thought it would.
that pix you posted was worth a 1,000 words. too bad you had to have them explained for you.
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Shane,
I actually posted the picture after I wrote the text. I went back and viewed the film and then screencapped and added it. The whole point is that you always must offer an excuse as to why you lost like you feel some fear that you may lose some respect from the community. And so you have to announce it to the world...and a FAST excuse like it's something important that people know that it's not your fault. Don't be afraid, my point is not that I'm saying I beat you or I'm better than you...I readily admit it was a proximity kill and in the earlier fight you won fair and square. But in that text, the lag is over because the text is coming up again with what people typed which is before your crash.
And no, actually, I do not understand the lag affecting your refresh rate. So yes, have Skuzzy explain it to me. I've seen severe lag where everyone stops all around me and my bullets make no hits but I keep flying just fine. Maybe I'll test it, I'll fly around and disconnect/connect my modem and see if those lack of updates impacts my framerate. I have seen silk smooth connections but poor frame rates due to smoke, a lot of aircraft on the runway and the like.
To quote On Yankee Station pg 101, "Shut up and die like a man."
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Originally posted by joeblogs
From a very long thread that compares US navy fighters to the La-7. Tilt posted the actually flight test data and F4uDOA had all the numbers needed for the US planes...
-Blogs
Read the whole thread .... great read !!!
Both side of the argument presented very good cases, so as far as I am concerned, there was no conclusive findings.
However, I would attribute more credibilty to crowbaby's findings as he appeared to be the only one that took the time to perform actual tests, whereas all other were using the wizardry of mathmatics to prove their point.
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lotta good lernin been posted , will try some of that stuff next time ones diving on my wittle buttocks
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I don't like the people that fly the La-7, don't really have anything against the plane. Typically, a fight against an La-7 goes something like this-
1. La-7 dives in an attempt to get on my 6.
2. I move.
3a. La-7 zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmm. (this happens a lot with runstangs and run90s also).
3b. La7 runs.
3c. La7 tries really hard to get on my tail, but is just to incompetent to manage it. Finally La7 realizes he is going to die if he stays, so he levels out and runs screaming for some friends.
4a. I chase La-7, friends arrive, La-7 grows some balls and turns around now that the odds are even at 7 to 1.
4b. I turn for home, La-7 turns around, loop back to 1. Repeat until final result is 4a.
The La-7 is in my opinion the 2nd best 'fighter' in the game. The Spit IX gets first place on my list because it has versatility. The La-7 can out-fight anything within 50mph of its top speed, no problem, assuming the pilot can find his own bellybutton with both hands and a candle.
P-51 vs La-7: All the La7 has to do is get the P-51 down below 200mph, and he wins. You can figure out how on your own.
109G10 vs La7: The G10 is real real close to being my pick for 2nd best fighter. It is almost a 'even fight' between the La7 and 109G10. The La7 turns better, accelerates better, rolls better, has more firepower, and can keep up with the G10 in the vertical. However, I'd say the difference between the two planes is really negligible except for the La-7s superior firepower.
190D9 vs La7: No contest, La7 wins hands down at any speed.
Typhoon vs La7: Typhoons got more firepower, and it turns better than the La7 and accelerates better than the P-51. I'd give the La7 a significant edge, but the Typhoon pilot has a shot.
Spit IX vs La7: La7 can attack at will, and rely on his speed, acceleration, and climb rate to win unless he is a real idiot. Of course, this wouldn't be a 'fight' in the traditional sense, the La7 does the same thing to a GV, or a building.
N1K vs La7: See above.
Anything else vs. La7: La7 will have the edge in acceleration, top speed, climb rate. Turning will depend on the plane (the La-7 turns about as well as a 109G-2), firepower will typically go to the La-7.
Almost forgot, the La-7 is one of the most durable fighters in the game on top of its incredible performance. I've hit one with 5 30mm shells and had it fly off. Granted, that is a rather extreme example, but they can take 1 or 2 and survive unless they are to the tail.
Personally, I rank the La-7 equal with the Tempest as far as "fighting" ability. The Tempest performs better at high altitude, at low altitude it has better vertical performance but the La7 turns better. Firepower obviously goes to the Tempest.
As far as the cannons being 'weak', they are 20mm cannons. Even the LW 20mm cannons aren't 'weak' and the La-7s guns are better than Mg151s.
But even with all that, if I could run into pilots who were willing to fight I'd be happy. If they can fly their La-7 better than I can fly whatever I'm in, they deserve to win. Typically you won't find an La-7 willing to fight one on one, though (perhaps because they don't have confidence in their fighting ability? Seems like the best hypothesis to me). As far as "I fly the La7 so I can chase down runners!" Get hold of yourself. You fly the La-7 so you can run whenever you want, just like everyone else does. Hell, when I fly the La-7 it is so I can run whenever I want to. The plane fights better than what I typically fly, and it can run at any time to boot.
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Yes he crowbaby did the tests in AH, which proved the point that
the game does not model rich fuel settings on the La-7. The implied fuel economy is that of a highly efficient turboprop, not a derivative of an American radial engine.
Originally posted by SlapShot
Read the whole thread .... great read !!!
Both side of the argument presented very good cases, so as far as I am concerned, there was no conclusive findings.
However, I would attribute more credibilty to crowbaby's findings as he appeared to be the only one that took the time to perform actual tests, whereas all other were using the wizardry of mathmatics to prove their point.