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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: bj229r on May 20, 2003, 10:31:32 PM
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WHAT is the %$$#@ deal with this dedicated group of Nits who make it their job in life to kill/capture all the Crater fields?
They have no strategic value unless reset imminent, and can only spawn outside the crate to the home bases of the friendly country in the nearest corner (every country given 2 crater bases..both of which spawn only to that country's corner)..they fly buffs and fighters in over and over to accomplish this...and it ruins a whole chitload of peeps fun who love the gv fights...killin gv 's with attacker is one thing...but killin all the v bases, or just killin all but one to ensure ya have the spawn camped, is fluff'n LAME. Kilt a guy named Kaos, and a guy named Pimpit..both very dedicated to takin lameness to new heights...is there a nit squad whose existence is based on wrecking crater?
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Your post is the reason why I like to do it sometimes. As they say...A Whine Has Been Recorded.
Ack-Ack
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That and we capture them all so 1/3 of the knights arent waisting there time in the tank arrea. Just like on ndiles the furball island
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Know whats even lamer. Your having fun in say a Ju-87 or 88, Il-2, or Boston killing gvs at your field along comes some tard in a 25k spitnik la7 or pony so he blows all 25k on you blows his pass and generally shows his suckage, long story short you outfly him get on his 6 and then he runs 3k or to a flak you disengage, once he over his flak, or you turn away he grows a pair and comes back same story he sucks what he accomplishes is what his plane does for him. You get on his 6 he runs again finally you get fed up and flew in your ack coverage And he comes in spraying knowing his little dweeb hispanos will kill you before ack kills him, there are friendlys around so even if he doesnt die stright out his damage will kill him. any he sprays sprays spray, you die. He HOs another friendly and then dies.
Personally I think if you die withen 10 secs of your last kill it shouldnt count.
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BJ you the guy in school who threw a tantrum when the other kids didn't play the game you decided to play?
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From GoFaster's Modern Dictionary of Aces High Terminology
Lame (laym') adj. {OE lama} 1. crippled; esp. having an injured leg or foot that makes one limp. 2. stiff and very painful { having a lame back }. 3. poor, weak, ineffectual, etc. { a lame excuse }. 4. Of, or pertaining to, European Bishop strategy that serves no strategic function {capturing all of the bases in Tank Town was very lame}. 5. To copy a strategy that is poor, weak, ineffectual, etc. { Knights capturing all of the bases in Tank Town just like the daytime Euro Bishops was also very lame }.
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Taking all of tank town make s perfect sense. I've seen 20 bishops in town town while we are getting overrun . same with knights and rooks. taking town means you have more guys defending or attacking. I like it just before we reset rooks on trinity. Only rooks and nits had tank bases left us full strength.......
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I think pooh's whine is even lamer than bj's.
pooh should also be penalized for replacing periods with comma's.
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Read your own post BJ then look at the names of the perps who jacked you...
Pimpit.... sounds like he is playing pretty true to his name... PIMPIT muahahha you pimped em....
I concur "A whine has been recorded"
almost as good a my Kills over time battle with HT a few months ago...(but at least mine had some merit...)
again... Pimpit and Kaos...
youve graduated to the next level... (let the whines flow like Rubicon Coppola)
DoctorYo
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Originally posted by mia389
That and we capture them all so 1/3 of the knights arent waisting there time in the tank arrea.
I love it we someone else knows whats better for me. It's simply amazing I've made it this far thru life.
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Originally posted by -Concho-
I love it we someone else knows whats better for me. It's simply amazing I've made it this far thru life.
hehe the same people who are jumpin on BJ, are some of the very same whi squeaked n moaned about buff taking out all
the fighter hangers at bases all the time before the
bombing mode came to be.
funny how they see it different when its not FHs going down
at thier furball base lol.
whels
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aye, whels. very true.
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I really, really wondered why people took all of tank town. Now I know why--it's to modify the behavior of those of us who like to use tank town for (get ready for this, it's really shocking) TANK BATTLES!!
How selfish of us not to be there for you when you need us to do what you want us to do.
I have to say it again: Y'all are just like 10-year-old "my ball, my game" kids. Think about this. Really hard.
IF I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU HOW TO PLAY THE GAME, (and I don't) YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY TO MANIPULATE HOW I PLAY THE GAME.
I am getting sick and tired of the whiners, really I am.
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Originally posted by mia389
That and we capture them all so 1/3 of the knights arent waisting there time in the tank arrea.
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That's why I play AH. If I didn't want to waste my time having a hell of a lot of fun I'd be out cleaning the garage, curing cancer or actually exercising.
I hate fun Nazis
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Read your own post BJ then look at the names of the perps who jacked you...
Pimpit.... sounds like he is playing pretty true to his name... PIMPIT muahahha you pimped em....
I concur "A whine has been recorded"
almost as good a my Kills over time battle with HT a few months ago...(but at least mine had some merit...)
again... Pimpit and Kaos...
youve graduated to the next level... (let the whines flow like Rubicon Coppola)
I must be geten old because this post just sounds like a Rap song and I gave up trying to understand rap lyrics..
Perps? Perpatrators?!
Pimped em? = Whatever
Rubicon Coppola?= Rap Artist?
Jacked you? = Who cares!
DoctorYo
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wow, i have to agree that taking out the gv area (which i don't ever go into) to stop people from fighting there is pathetic. I gotta keep my eye open so i can run a fighter in there and score some ez buff/attacker kills. These 'strategists" should hire their own mercenary army by paying $15 bucks a month for each soldier, then they will get results!
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The people that are capturing tank town consistantly are doing it so countrymen arent tied up in tank battles when their presence in the air is far more useful. Little generals at work.
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Rubicon is wine you simian... :rolleyes:
Coppola is the vinyard as in Francis Ford Coppola's....
jacked - modern day slang for getting antagonized... multiple levels of degree... (hence car - jacked......) (straight foul jacked) (jimmy dean summer sausage jacked) etc....
you got the perps right... very good I take back the simian part... ;)
Adapt your vocab the world is changing fast... either adapt or become obsolete...
2 Cents
DoctorYo
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I hate wine....By choice...
as far as "jacked" I think my corporate lifestyle will be just fine without being 100% hip on the smack talk rap culture...
Or is that California hip culture I was poking fun at!!
Is Coppolla vineyards from the Valley or the County?
0J0T
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Originally posted by rshubert
IF I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU HOW TO PLAY THE GAME, (and I don't) YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY TO MANIPULATE HOW I PLAY THE GAME.
And who are you to tell those who enjoy taking the central Trinity bases that they can't do that if that's how they enjoy playing the game?
Aces High is all about manipulating how others play the game. Unless, of course, you're against people killing fighter hangars, vehicle hangars, fuel, ammo, troops, ack, etc.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Just like the people whining that their carriers get sunk by others:
If you want to keep it, protect it. Anything red is a target, if you dont like it, go to the dueling arena with your buddie-buddies and fight there. If no tanks, go to the combat theatre, plenty of vbase vs vbase action there.
That being said, theres nothing more enjoyable than getting 4 people in lanc formations and flying 4k over "tankland" , you can get like 6 kills with a single well placed 3 bomb salvo :D :D
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Originally posted by mia389
That and we capture them all so 1/3 of the knights arent waisting there time in the tank arrea. Just like on ndiles the furball island
Bad idea, because GV drivers from the other two countries won't waste their time there either.
Best is to LOSE all fields in GV town.
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Corporate lifestyle, what the hell is that, your telling me your proud of working for someone else....
Keep thinking that way... thats good.. oh btw how big is you cubicle...
as far is rap, what you have something against rap music...(the rap today blows imo) how did you interpret rap... becuase DoctorYo, as in YO MTV raps with ed lover etc..
Slang, yes...
Rap, no....
Let me explain how pompous Corporate lifestyle is.. Corporate lifestyle is feeble attempt to identify yourself as some sort of class or caste system... its a illusion...
its wannabee elite's claim to fame..
" Jim were going to the beach later, want to come? Naw im corporate I got a rep to uphold...."
If you said Im too loaded with so much freaking money comming out of my ears that I will not concern myself with primitive slang babble then you might get some respect but to choose the cop out "im corporate... "
My definition of corporate is :
fake friends, just all around fake...
backstabbing
lies
boot licking..
maybe a hottie or too lurking around with a whole bunch of un hip hipster beasts grazing also...
usually good pay benefits but considering if you working for yourself salary is usually the same considering the equity you put back into your company... thats my opinion you can fail too... and thats not too good...
Dont get me wrong if your at the highest levels of corporate you may be rewarded, or just steal peoples pensions when they arn't looking and then declare bankruptcy.....
define corporate lifestyle this is getting good...
enjoy...
DoctorYO
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From GoFaster's Modern Dictionary of the Aces High Language
corporate lifestyle (korp-or-ut' lif'-stil) - noun (< L corporare) 1. culture of, or pertaining to, that entity which is formed by a group of people who get a charter granting them as a body certain legal powers, rights, and liabilities of an individual. 2. environment of a corporation. 3. common culture dicated through corporate guidelines, asset use agreements, dress codes, and codes of conduct. 4. derisively conformity in attitude and opinion, embodied by collared shirts and Levi's Dockers; along with prohibitions against male body piercings, tattoos, facial hair, nudity, drug use, loud music, and swearing. ( that guy lost his individualism when he adopted the corporate lifestyle ). 5. appreciatively wishing for the stability of a regular job so as to establish a family. (Man, I wish I could adapt to the corporate lifestyle instead of working a series of McJobs for minimum wage.)
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No, Todd, I don't think I should try to manipulate the way you or anyone else plays the game. See my statement. That doesn't mean that I must like the way somebody else decides to play, either. And I do reserve the right to comment on it.
I'm a card-carrying Libertarian, and I believe that my rights end at the tip of your nose or at your property line, and yours end the same way. Another way to put that is "Don't tread on me". I strive not to tread on anybody else.
And yes, I like to bomb towns and airfields and vulch people, just RUINING their furball fun. Mwaah-aah-aah-aah-aah. Then we take their bases. That's how you win the game, the way I play it. Many people agree with me, and many disagree. They should get over it.
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OMG, Gofaster, that is the best reply post I ever saw. You are THE MAN. I want to have your child.
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Originally posted by rshubert
No, Todd, I don't think I should try to manipulate the way you or anyone else plays the game. See my statement. That doesn't mean that I must like the way somebody else decides to play, either. And I do reserve the right to comment on it.
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You missed my point. The entire purpose of AH is to manipulate the way others play the game. Most would enjoy flying around, killing everything with impunity, and then returning to base unmolested. Your purpose is to prevent that by either shooting them down, vulching them, porking their fuel to dissuade them from upping, or killing their fighter hangars so they can't spawn even if they want. In short, you're manipulating their game environment. The very act of attacking a base manipulates the way in which those at the base may respond regardless of what they prefer to do otherwise.
And yes, I like to bomb towns and airfields and vulch people, just RUINING their furball fun. Mwaah-aah-aah-aah-aah. Then we take their bases. That's how you win the game, the way I play it. Many people agree with me, and many disagree. They should get over it.
Thank you for making my point for me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I think we hijacked the thread somewhat I am moving on...
I am now up on my Pimp Ho rappa slang..
And am much more able to communicate with my son in laws..
When they complain about the "perps who jacked them" out on their lawn mowing jobs this week I will know what they were getting all flapped up about...
Thanks for the humour, was actually a nice distraction!!
Over and Out="old peeps slang for later"
0J0T
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Originally posted by rshubert
No, Todd, I don't think I should try to manipulate the way you or anyone else plays the game. See my statement. That doesn't mean that I must like the way somebody else decides to play, either. And I do reserve the right to comment on it.
Don't you mean whine about it?
Ack-Ack
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lol.....thread looks like story goin around a campfire.. Saurdaukar
prolly got it tho
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And who are you to tell those who enjoy taking the central Trinity bases that they can't do that if that's how they enjoy playing the game?
Aces High is all about manipulating how others play the game. Unless, of course, you're against people killing fighter hangars, vehicle hangars, fuel, ammo, troops, ack, etc.
-- Todd/Leviathn
True, but along those lines we should remove killshooter. After all, some people would enjoy teamkilling and you have the option to defend yourself.
Besides, you can pretty much always fly from a field that still has fuel and FHs up. The exception is when a reset is imminent, which typically lasts only a few hours at most. Once the tank town bases are taken they tend to stay that way for days, and the type of play that occurs there is rarely available anywhere else.
Of course none of this changes the fact that tank town is capturable, and people will do it regardless of how lame their reasons are. If you see your side attempting to capture it you can tell the other side about it, or switch sides and stop them yourself. If they're already captured, switch sides and attack the country that owns them.
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Yobbldee bobbldee .... BOBBLDEE, I tell ya! Chugga chugga boo boo! BOO BOO! Skrimscram jillygrap! And then some! :D
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Originally posted by Regurge
True, but along those lines we should remove killshooter. After all, some people would enjoy teamkilling and you have the option to defend yourself.
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I don't see how you arrive at removing killshooter as the logical conclusion to what I've stated. We all manipulate how other players play, on other teams and on our own, by our actions in the game. These actions result from conscious design decisions that funnel behavior accordingly. Enabling killshooter is just one of many design choices. If it were removed, there would be new ways to manipulate how others play, but my point wasn't that we need new ways to control how others play -- merely that methods for controlling how others play already exist given the current game structure.
Besides, you can pretty much always fly from a field that still has fuel and FHs up. The exception is when a reset is imminent, which typically lasts only a few hours at most. Once the tank town bases are taken they tend to stay that way for days, and the type of play that occurs there is rarely available anywhere else.
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What if you want to fly from a field close to a fight? What if you don't feel like spending 30 minutes to fly 1.5 sectors to the closest base? Killing fuel forces players to weigh the costs in wasted time with doing other things such as logging or grabbing a ground vehicle or even running resupply missions. These are things they would not have done otherwise had the opposing team not severely damaged the closest base.
Of course none of this changes the fact that tank town is capturable, and people will do it regardless of how lame their reasons are. If you see your side attempting to capture it you can tell the other side about it, or switch sides and stop them yourself. If they're already captured, switch sides and attack the country that owns them.
If they remain capturable -- that is, the rules allow for players to capture them and thus manipulate how others play -- then you have to expect that it's going to happen. Maybe it's lame, but it's legitimate. Either get HTC to change the rules or cease whining about it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I Liked Whel's idea about a ring of death acks comparable to cv quality around the ring of crater--keep the fediddlein planes out..let the tanks duke it out. It's not like the furballers parTICipate in the overall country operations anyhow...no reason tankers ought be held to higher standard...and it still doesnt mess with reset ability
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Corporate lifestyle, what the hell is that, your telling me your proud of working for someone else....
Keep thinking that way... thats good.. oh btw how big is you cubicle...
as far is rap, what you have something against rap music...(the rap today blows imo) how did you interpret rap... becuase DoctorYo, as in YO MTV raps with ed lover etc..
Slang, yes...
Rap, no....
Let me explain how pompous Corporate lifestyle is.. Corporate lifestyle is feeble attempt to identify yourself as some sort of class or caste system... its a illusion...
its wannabee elite's claim to fame..
" Jim were going to the beach later, want to come? Naw im corporate I got a rep to uphold...."
If you said Im too loaded with so much freaking money comming out of my ears that I will not concern myself with primitive slang babble then you might get some respect but to choose the cop out "im corporate... "
My definition of corporate is :
fake friends, just all around fake...
backstabbing
lies
boot licking..
maybe a hottie or too lurking around with a whole bunch of un hip hipster beasts grazing also...
usually good pay benefits but considering if you working for yourself salary is usually the same considering the equity you put back into your company... thats my opinion you can fail too... and thats not too good...
Dont get me wrong if your at the highest levels of corporate you may be rewarded, or just steal peoples pensions when they arn't looking and then declare bankruptcy.....
define corporate lifestyle this is getting good...
enjoy...
DoctorYO
DoctorYO, Get a job, regardless of how much selling drugs gets you or how 'hip' it is.
'I'm from da street!'
One hell of a diluted idiot that thinks it's a bad thing to have a succesfull job.. or just a jealous one who can't get his own.
Edit: No, I don't have one either.. wanna come over to my box for a beer? :D
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Beers on me today!! My office is above the "Olde Salty dog bar"
be there at 5:01 PM est..
0J0T
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I don't see how you arrive at removing killshooter as the logical conclusion to what I've stated. We all manipulate how other players play, on other teams and on our own, by our actions in the game. These actions result from conscious design decisions that funnel behavior accordingly. Enabling killshooter is just one of many design choices. If it were removed, there would be new ways to manipulate how others play, but my point wasn't that we need new ways to control how others play -- merely that methods for controlling how others play already exist given the current game structure.
What i meant to say was that just because the game allows you to do something doesnt mean its good for gameplay, even if the other side can retaliate. HTC evidently thought carbombing and off-map bombers were bad for gameplay and took steps to prevent it. Likewise, I think capturing tank town for the sole purpose of denying its use to your own side is bad for gameplay.
What if you want to fly from a field close to a fight? What if you don't feel like spending 30 minutes to fly 1.5 sectors to the closest base? Killing fuel forces players to weigh the costs in wasted time with doing other things such as logging or grabbing a ground vehicle or even running resupply missions. These are things they would not have done otherwise had the opposing team not severely damaged the closest base.
Ok that was a weak point on my part. If all frontline bases are porked ytou only have a less enjoyable type of flying available. Same as tank town captured=less enjoyable gv combat available.
If they remain capturable -- that is, the rules allow for players to capture them and thus manipulate how others play -- then you have to expect that it's going to happen.
Thats what I said.
Maybe it's lame, but it's legitimate. Either get HTC to change the rules or cease whining about it.
I've never whined about it.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
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rshubert... I think you missed DMF's point... one that is painfully obvious... You are a pompous hypocrite.
If you are a libertarian you are a strange one. Or at least a selective one. Yu are libertarian so far as your rights are concerned but you wish to restrict others. That is half ok... libertarians restrict rights... they don't believe that you can buy property next to someones house and set up a pig slaughterhouse for instance.
your "fun" is killing the fun of others... that is fine so long as everyone agrees on the rules... the "rules" being that everyone has an equal chance at it. Most of us work under the premise that what we do to ruin others fun requires a lot of effort and the other person has an equal or, allmost equal, chance of turning things around... ruining our fun..
you OTOH, believe that gameplay libertarianism means that you can destroy the fun of many with very little, if any, talent or skill involved. You also believe that when you want to do something that you enjoy... that people shouldn't exercise their gameplay rights of destroying your playground.
The fact that you can pork fields so easily is, i believe, a mistake.. I believe that it will be fixed to some extent... we are all merely offering suggestions. Again... when you offer suggestions then you are exercising your libertarian rights but when we offer suggestions we are trying to code you out of the game.
get some skill and you won't have to rely on gameing the game to get your attention fix. Talk to a proffessional about your self esteem problem and you won't need to do foolish things to get attention.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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drYo is funny, imagine working for somebody else for a living! Why no self respecting sentient being works for anyone else. Well, maybe for a customer, but then that isn't working for someone else now, is it? just because if you don't please your customer your customer bags out on you is no big deal. Now, if you are independently wealthy (won the lotter? inheritance? brilliant invention? Brilliant/lucky investment?) you don't have to work for anybody. Look at Michael Jackson! I think he err she err it is the poster child for the independent lifestyle. In the mean time I will continue to work for my fortune 500 company that pays very good wages and has great medical benefits for my family (much better than my military "retired benefit" medical care) and have no pride in myself.
dr. yo quite correctly illustrates some of the seedier behavior perpetrated by some corporations yet he is quite silent on the criminal behavior perpetrated by many self employed workers, like investment "advisors" who run off to cheesy foreign countries with their customers life savings or them 'thar independent auto shop thieves who prey on the unsuspecting. Yep criminal behavior isn't a corporate problem, its a HUMAN problem. Subjectively bashing one group sounds like the work of a modern day University Professor.
corporate worker out...oh, buy stock in my company, I need to sell some options at a higher price :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
libertarians restrict rights... they don't believe that you can buy property next to someones house and set up a pig slaughterhouse for instance.
That's not true. You can buy the plot of land next to my home and build a pig slaughterhouse, and I don't have anything to complain about or expect restitution for -- as long as your slaughterhouse keeps the noise and smell from the pigs, the noise and smell from the trucks heading to and from the slaughterhouse, and the noise and smell of the slaughterhouse itself from extending onto my property. If you can't do that, then you are damaging the value of my property, which is an offense against my rights in my property.
If you're going to ridicule someone on the basis of a political philosophy, you should at least make the effort to learn what that philosophy is before you go off and ridicule them on the basis of what you think it is.
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read again.. try and get the example.. and stop pulling things from what he said that arent there..
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shiva... yes you are correct... but hubert want's to move next door and allow all the smell and flies and traffic on my property.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
rshubert... I think you missed DMF's point... one that is painfully obvious... You are a pompous hypocrite.
If you are a libertarian you are a strange one. lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Less, less, less...
This anger must carry over from the other thread, my boy. I may be pompous, but I am not a hypocrite. Again, maybe you should look in the mirror.
I got DMF's point, I just disagree with it. He prefers to think that my exercise of my rights (which does, indeed affect his gameplay, I never said it didn't) is not allowable, because his exercise of his own rights supercedes that. I say (again and again) that we should both do whatever we want, and devil take the hindmost. That is consistent with a libertarian philosophy, and appears to be the way the game was designed.
Don't worry, sonny. I will adapt my gameplay to account for your involvement. I haven't figured out all the angles, yet, but I will. That's a big part of the fun--outsmarting the other guy. The reason I play AH is the human factor--a real person in the other plane, gv, or whatever adds a level of unpredictability to the game that no AI can match.
Go on, enjoy your arcade-game thumb candy view of AH. I will play the strat game, to win. You need to get over this whole attitude of contempt for those that disagree with you. It's rubbing off on me, and I don't like to be that way.
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Less, please come to the convention, and have the stones to identify yourself to me. I want to meet you, and sit down and talk to you about respect. Don't take that as a threat, I am non-violent. Take it as curiosity. I want to know what form of life you are in reality.
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Originally posted by rshubert
I got DMF's point, I just disagree with it. He prefers to think that my exercise of my rights (which does, indeed affect his gameplay, I never said it didn't) is not allowable, because his exercise of his own rights supercedes that. I say (again and again) that we should both do whatever we want, and devil take the hindmost. That is consistent with a libertarian philosophy, and appears to be the way the game was designed.
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That wasn't my point. Go back and read what I wrote, and show me exactly where I claim that my "rights" in the game supercede your own.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Met Laz at the last con. #1 top-quality person, IMO.
If you get to meet him, I expect you'll think about the same.
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hubert... I got no problem meeting anyone. I believe that we would indeed have a good conversation on respect. Perhaps you will learn something about respect and honesty. I have no problem pointing out to you here or in person, that your idea of libertarianism is flawed.
I don't think I will make this con but I made the last one... Hoolign told a bunch of guys who dislike my (cough) "style" here when I would arrive in the lobby from the airport... It was great. I had some really great conversations at the con. I didn't fight anyone.... allthough... I am far from nonviolent.. just a crippled up harmless old man. Oddly... no one took advantage of my obvious unimpossing physical stature even tho it was obvious by my face that I had lost a lot of fights in the past.
I never say anything on this board that I will not say to the person in the flesh. In fact... I may even say worse things to you when we meet.
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
Met Laz at the last con. #1 top-quality person, IMO.
If you get to meet him, I expect you'll think about the same.
I didn't get to meet Lazs....but I did meet Toad. Seems like good folks (of course we won't talk about the company he keeps :D).
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"Good Folks" don't disrespect other people the way Less does. It would take a LOT to change the opinion I have gained of him through his snide, belittling commentary on this message board. Insults only bring insults, and boy oh boy, did he ever start the ball rolling. I would like to have an intelligent discussion of the issues, but he and his ilk hijack the discussion as a way to put other people down, and (I suppose) make them feel better about themselves. It's pathetic, really. If he is such a "nice guy" in person that makes me even less likely to get along with him. I detest people that are two-faced or cowardly, and that behavior fits my definition of both.
Let's review a bit:
I think his opinion of how the game should be played is wrong, and presented arguments to try to prove my point. He insulted me. That started a nasty exchange on the other thread, and he carried it over to this one, to show how clever or manly he is.
Less, I do hope we meet. Are you a libertarian? Have you ever read Ayn Rand? We could talk philosophy, if you're up to it. I promise to use short words and keep the concepts simple.
Remember Less, words mean stuff. Use them carefully.
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As long as ya'll don't start freedom kissing when it's time to make up.
Yeah.
Hey ...
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DMF wrote...
"You missed my point. The entire purpose of AH is to manipulate the way others play the game. Most would enjoy flying around, killing everything with impunity, and then returning to base unmolested. Your purpose is to prevent that by either shooting them down, vulching them, porking their fuel to dissuade them from upping, or killing their fighter hangars so they can't spawn even if they want. In short, you're manipulating their game environment. The very act of attacking a base manipulates the way in which those at the base may respond regardless of what they prefer to do otherwise. "
DMF, I don't think you get my point. I, for one, don't think anybody would enjoy an AH that was a shooting gallery. I wouldn't.
I play the strat game. That game involves capturing fields. The tactics you describe are EXACTLY correct. They are described in the online help files. They are the way the game is played, if the object of the player is to "win the map".
You can do whatever you want. I really don't care. If you shoot me down, I will learn something from it (or not) and move on. I will not complain to you about it, or to anyone else. Part of the game is that there are three sides. The other sides obviously wants to win, too. Your definition of a "win" is to get a skin kill on another plane. My definition of a win is to get a mission accomplished and survive it if possible. Your definition of a lose is limited to getting shot down. Mine is either being on the wrong end of a skin kill, or a mission kill (that's where I salvo my ordnance to engage in ACM--my mission can't be completed, therefore I already lose).
You furball guys all think the object of the game is to shoot down planes. I--and others that agree with me--think the object of the game is to win maps, and shoot down planes on the way. I frankly can't understand why you think it is such a burden to need to fly 15 minutes to the fight. Do you have RATO pods on that spit? If not, you need to gain alt, don't you? I get killed a LOT upping for field defense, then getting shot down by the attackers--they have mucho E, and I have none. Maybe you know something I don't. Would you care to share that knowledge? I am always looking for an edge.
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Originally posted by rshubert
You furball guys all think the object of the game is to shoot down planes.
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And here you go again. Relax for a minute, reread what I wrote, and quit trying to see things in it that don't exist. I believe I stated that one of the main objects of AH is to manipulate how others play the game through a variety of means and methods. How you get from that some treatise on furballing over strat escapes me.
Maybe you know something I don't. Would you care to share that knowledge? I am always looking for an edge.
Flying to a target and grabbing alt are boring activities. Brainless. Wastes of time. Many players log or find something else to do rather than fly from rear bases for that very reason. Those who can withstand the tedium fly from those bases. And so the game goes.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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ok folks, i am about to make a shameless plug. here i go. I am part of a fan club put out by White-Wolf called the Camarilla. In this fan club, we participate in Live Action Role Playing Games. One of these games is Vampire the Masquerade. In this game there are vampire clans. There is a clan called Ventrue and there is a clan called Brujah. From what I have read in this thread up to this point makes me think that if the whole lot of yall played, you would fall into either clan. But it is in my oppinion (and that of my character if he were a real person, and by the way he is a Brujah) that a few of you just scream Ventrue, and those people are (again this is just my 2 cent opinion, do with and think of this as you will) Bock, Tojo, RSHubert. again this is just my 2 cent opinion. I will gladly fight any and all on the ocean, ground or Sky. Bring it on. besides, every one seems to be makin good points and counter points. but in the ever immortal words of a friend of mine, shut the hell up, take off the gloves, and get into the ring and the last man standing is right.
good hunting and good day all
devil22
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hubert hissed... ""Good Folks" don't disrespect other people the way Less does. It would take a LOT to change the opinion I have gained of him through his snide, belittling commentary on this message board"
don't worry about it hubert.. you are probly wound too tight for me to bother with.
hubert then goes on about how cowardly I am for calling people names (me? naaa... may have pointed out a character flaw or two tho) on a BB.. This is all too funny... phony libertarianism and hypocracy..
really man... I wasn't calling you names. I have no problem discussing any of this with you in person. I don't know what "dissrespect" means the when used as you did.. do you mean "disrepectful of you"? I am neither respectful nor disrespectful of you. I have never met you. I have no respect for your ability tho nor, do I have any respect for your arguement here. I will reserve further judgement on you until we meet... I would suggest that you relax and do the same.
lazs
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You can't cloak your contempt in fake facts, less. You insulted me in writing. You meant to do so. Everybody read it, and understood it for what it was intended to say.
Am I wound "too tight"? Gee, I dunno, I think maybe the guy who rails against the other player's abilities is "wound too tight". Get a grip, man. Control that anger inside you. It will eat you alive if you're not careful. Already it's causing you to say things you (should) regret.
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Shubert this has been a good read on a couple of threads for the last 4 days. And all this reading and writing, attacks and counterattacks is all predicated on this statement.
I AM A SUICIDE DWEEB. I have been in the game for about 8 months, and I have died thousands of times
Reading through all of your posts you obviously are not.
You have taken a position "as" a suicide dweeb when in all reality your learning the game, doin your best and dieing along the way.
No one including our Public Relations Officer has a problem with that.
Ever see a CV suicide raid ?? 6 to 8 Tiffies coming in high and ALL of them diving into the CV ? Happens quite a bit though not as often as six months ago. At one time I saw it everytime I logged on. Ever see a suicide base raid ?? Usually 5 or 6 fully loaded 51's each augering into different targets ?? A daily occurence. I see from the threads a new and exciting suicide variation is doing it with Lancs..
You have 30 or 40 guys engaged in nice little fight off a CV and a group of dweebs sink the CV in effect ruining a good little thing in a small corner of our little world.
You've essentially put yourself in a place that you don't belong. It's a problem that many are concerned about including HiTech.
Take a read on this thread from December of last year ( a couple of months before you started visiting the boards..)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71494
You definatly came in on the wrong side of an ongoing arguement.
A better statement would have been, I'm a fuggin new guy and I die alot.
Just as I'm an old guy and I suck..
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You're ALMOST there. The point is that many (most? all??) of those called by our boy Apacheand others "suicide dweebs" probably are beginners, trying to figure out how to survive among the wolves, and become wolves themselves. I took my position to try to show him/them that. What is the average time online for the game? Which end of the spectrum is the "suicide dweeb" on?
The poor newbie comes into the game, wanting to learn how to play, then gets hammered by the old timers. To add insult to injury, then the cherry-picking specialist makes snide comments on channel 1. I have seen very little desire on the part of long-time players to help the new guys--I'm not talking about the refusal to answer questions like "how do I put the gear down" or "what are the red dots on the radar for", those people should rightly be referred to the help files and training arena. I am talking about the fact that so few are willing to mentor the new players. It interferes with their thumb candy experience.
My squaddies are exceptional in this area, and willing to help anybody out that asks. But some of you guys won't even give a situation report back when passing on the way to/from an enemy field. It's beneath you.
The above is not a whine. I am secure in my self image, and that kind of crap doesn't bug me. It does bother other people, and probably has an effect on the retention numbers for 2-weekers.
There is a dangerous elitism among some of the old timers in this game. The disrespect for "dweebs" is hurting the game, which is, after all, designed as MULTIPLAYER game.
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I have to say that RShubert has made an awesome point. I have been flying since 12-02 in this game. I only got a little help from a player who ahd to quite the game due to a real world situation in his life. I was baptised by fire in this game. I admit that I am not the best fighter pilot in the game. I envy those who are ranked in the top 900. I even fear them. Just last night as a matter of fact, I was trying to encite a little friendly competition between me and another country fighter named elk, who when i last looked was ranked 91 or something like that. when he came back over the radio he was anything but polite. he said something to the effect " lololololol if that gets you wet, then go for it sonny". this in short hurt. I was blown away that I out flew some one who was that good, and who was escorting a buff, that i managed to take down, could be such an (HTC Staff please forgive this, but neat little symbols just wont work here) bellybutton hole, when i tried to rib him about it. i will through insults with the best of them, but if you cant show respect for those of us who are not near as elite as you top 900-100 guys then yall need to recheck your definition of respect. I at last check was ranked 2264, I out flew a top 100 pilot, and when I tried to rib him and try to get a bit of friendly competition, he became condiscending (sp?) so please folks, try to help those who ask for help. I started the game as a rook tried to seek some help so i could learn, when i got none, i went on to become a knight, same story there, then i became a bishop, and finally got some help there. I still am trying to learn the game, and when someone comes and shoots me down, it hurts the pride a bit, but i learn from it. but if you are all: ha ha ha ha what kinda flyin was that? did you learn to fly from a blind man? that hurts more than hey, good flyin gave me a run for my money
even if it isnt sincere, it helps with the 2 weeker retention.
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Just for those wondering, corporate types I used 2 CHUM bags on this post.
Finger licking good...Hope you enjoyed....
Gofaster / Tojo way to be good sports, (im serious no sarcasism Gofaster that post was good)
To the R(imput whatever) multiples pipe down... You allow harmless text get the better of you.. "Oh no you have insulted my screename in writing" "now i want closure etc...." Any more chivary and we might cast you for the {Princess Bride} sequel....
Grow a thicker shell...
I got a good laugh from the drugdealer Micheal jackson post whatever dribble that was... (i post i dont like corporate workplace and then I am branded jobless, insurance wanting, and best of all drugdealer.... lets not forget success chastising also....)
Free entertainment... HTC BB never lets you down...
enjoy and big fat soupy bowl of BB CHUM.....
have a nice day...
DoctorYO
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DrYo, what language was that post of yours written in? Please don't say "English". That would hurt my feelings.
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Again your confusing the newbie with someone who intentionally "ruins" the game. A squad of suicide tiffys or Ponies are not a squad of newbies. You fail to grasp the most important point in the discussion. With out grasping that you are not understanding much of what's been said.
While your comments on being new to the game have validity, they really don't have a bearing in this discussion.
Originally posted by rshubert
trying to figure out how to survive among the wolves, and become wolves themselves
That is an entirely different subject. This place is tough. Took me 3 days of flying and over 16 hours to get my first kill. Took me 7 months of flying to get 30 kills in a tour in the game over the hill.
You'll get killed over and over. It ain't easy by a long shot. It's not supposed to be. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Hell I still suck and it's been six years, but every once in awhile...
I'M A GOD
Help is found joining a squad that is geared to training new pilots. There's a whole lot of them in this game. If you want to learn, you'll get your butt handed to you more than you can count. But you'll learn.
It takes time.
All it takes is a Post "New guy loves Ponies want to learn, looking for a squad to teach me"
You'll have alot of offers, believe me..damm pony dweebs..
Turn off channel one, and if you lose a "good" fight, give him a on private channel. You'd be surprised.
If you win, it's tacky, even if it was the BEST fight you ever had. The guys prolly breaking his dogs legs..
Been there done that..
Oh, did I say...and turn off channel one ??
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Learn what each plane can do, go here http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/models.htm
You have some work to do. Quit your bellyachin about how hard it is and no one helps you. Let's get on with it.
I look foreward to killing your soggy butt some time in the near future
And if you happen to kill me, don't hail me on private channel, I'll be busy breakin my dogs legs..
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"You have 30 or 40 guys engaged in nice little fight off a CV and a group of dweebs sink the CV in effect ruining a good little thing in a small corner of our little world.
nopoop,
I have flow next to you guys at some of these CV battles and have to admit they are a major enjoyment factor when I fly. I'll sometimes see if Lazs is on the roster and "goto" where he is to see if one is cookin'
One question, and this isn't meant to stir the pot anymore than it already is, but have you or Lazs or anybody, asked the fellow Knight "suicide" dweebs not to take out the CV ? Does/could that approach work ? I ask this cause I have never seen it asked for over country channel and have never heard it over vox either.
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Naw Slap is doesn't do any good. They're gonna do it, no stoppin them. Not worth having an argument about.
Do the flying there, Save the arguing for here.
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LOL ... rgr that !!!
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dangit! dont see how ANY of this helps me have fun tank battles at crater...as for Devil22...there are LOTSA thin-skinned peeps here...sad to say..MOSt of em are prolly adults
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bj229r, r u implying that I am thin-skinned? if so, you are dead wrong! after the bullnosed torture I endured in shcool from bullies to hard nosed teachers sending insults and flat out physical torture my way, i am far from thin skinned. i simply am seekin a bit of respect from those players who are ranked very high, who seem to look down their nose at us low rankers. so if seekin a bit of fuggin respect is thin skinned then so fuggin be it. i might have mis read or misunderstood your post reguarding my name, if I did, i appologize, i am right now suffering the latest loss of the Spurs. so my judgement might be clouded.
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Actually Devil..I was talkin about the OTHER folks--some folks are such a-holes ya simply CANT have ANY kind of dialogue with them..whether you kill them or they kill you---ya compliment them and they still spew out some kinda 14-year-old insult...but, there are enough folks that AREN't like that to make the a-holes tolerable; I've known some of these folks only as enemies for 7-8 years, since Air Warrior..consider them quite good friends; Xbrit, etc, for instance..then ...there are the Shanes of the world, lol
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ah ok, my mistake, i misunderstood what you had written, my mistake.
didnt mean to offend you if i did.