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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: pzvg on December 08, 2000, 04:24:00 PM
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What is it with a vocal minority that has to make a damn simple concept like a multiplayer flight sim into some kind of personal spasm zone to hang out in the wind.
Hell, I see the great folks here,the steady improvements to the sim, and think, "maybe I should go again" Nah, I still see the same ugly badboy wannabe crap on the UBB, therefore it's still in the MA, Get it right folks, I'm not personally offended, hell, none of ya get close to offending me, but I do get bored with it, and sq*ch1 ain't the friggin answer, People we came here to be a part of something, not to fly single-player in a multi-player sim, I don't get it, some people got a serious case of "little man" syndrome but what the hell, I can wait for ya ta shuffle back ta yer holes, and I am.
(Hi Rip, nope they ain't ready yet)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Hey,
Wake up and look around you - the world is full of jerks. And while we have a disproportionate number of smart and educated peope here in AH, the number of jerks is also much higher then average because most of them have no life and no safe way to exibit the same kind of behavior in real life.
Asking jerks not to be jerks is pointless on your part. It is referred to as "preaching to the choir".
If you have some kind of advice to HTC to reduce "jerkiness" of the game without loosing their revenue, please tell them.
Otherwise you just have to learn to deal with that. For each one that "shuffle back ta yer holes" two new ones will pop up.
The best thing you could do from my point of view is to come and play and dilute the average jerkinness of the game by your enlightened presence. But apparently you just want to squeak and wait till some one else comes up with a perfect world for you. Not gonna happen till you die and go to Heaven (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
miko
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I really get a kick out of chanel 1.
The things people say make me laugh so often,
I could never imagine squelching.
The folks who rant are deffinitly a bit uptight, but if ya let what they say bug you, yer prolly taking it a bit too seriously as well.
eskimo
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That was very nearly a haiku, eskimo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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You mean Walt Disney lied and Germany didn't start WWII?
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oh who frogging cares anyway - i have to consider the alternative:
bust out my model airplanes and make vrooom vroom ack ack noises by myself (again) ah is the the better option
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Heya PZ! <S>
If you're waiting for the community, it ain't never been there and ain't never gonna get there, like the real world, alot of diversity....however, the sim is coming along nicely from what I've seen recently!
<S> you got a home when you got an account!~
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Well Pzvg,
Its a great place to spend some time and there are loads of great folks who participate. 13th TAS here has some of the best folks I have had the pleasure to sim with. Equal to my friends in 901 from WBs without doubt!
If you let the loudcrowd shoo ya away from a damn fine playground...well, its your choice.
Yeager
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Hey pzvg, 6 guys in the Med with icons off was and is way more fun than 150 in the PLAYPEN, come join me when you can.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
[This message has been edited by Sunchaser (edited 12-08-2000).]
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Hiya psvg. Not everyone gets involved in "as the aircraft turns" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Actually it is a minority that create the noise, there are some really good folks here.
the 56th has a spot for ya if like the jug, just holler if ya like! <S>
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pzvg
Ya want to see something even worse, head to AGW BB.. Im sure AH BB will catch up to it in 4 or 5 years.........
Dog out.....
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PZVG I don't know what causes it.
One guess is that people treat eachother differently because of the impersonal nature of the internet. They might be quite polite in real life but the power of anonymity brings out the beast.
I'm also wondering if a lot of people are stereotype computer nerds or members of the Nintendo (Nofriendo) generation who didn't play sports in their youth and never learned sportsmanship and how to win (and lose) with dignity. A rebuke from a coach or a right cross from an opponent teaches these lessons pretty quickly.
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Originally posted by funked:
PZVG I don't know what causes it.
One guess is that people treat eachother differently because of the impersonal nature of the internet. They might be quite polite in real life but the power of anonymity brings out the beast.
I'm also wondering if a lot of people are stereotype computer nerds or members of the Nintendo (Nofriendo) generation who didn't play sports in their youth and never learned sportsmanship and how to win (and lose) with dignity. A rebuke from a coach or a right cross from an opponent teaches these lessons pretty quickly.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Preach on brother funked.
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Funked - I've often wondered what kind of people can be found here. I sometimes wonder if the 'computer nerd' somehow rings true here. But then I guess this is a little different to most other games - alot of people seem to be real life pilots, and a couple are ex-combat pilots (you don't become one of those by avoiding team sports). I myself rowed and played football (soccer) for university college teams. The majority of the people I talk to here seem well balanced individuals, and have a life when they switch their computer off.
But occasioanlly (especially recently), I'm led to think otherwise.
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funked : I think you are most likly right .
Also this game is harder than most , and they might bring their frustrations out on channel 1 and here more than usual ?
My mother taught me this , and has served me well I think :
"If you don't have anything good to say , don't say anything"
Works well in RL works even better on the internet IMO .
cheers spro
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Originally posted by Dowding:
<snip> ...and have a life when they switch their computer off.
...if that includes a good PUB, I'm in !
Saw
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Originally posted by funked:
I'm also wondering if a lot of people are stereotype computer nerds or members of the Nintendo (Nofriendo) generation who didn't play sports in their youth and never learned sportsmanship and how to win (and lose) with dignity. A rebuke from a coach or a right cross from an opponent teaches these lessons pretty quickly.
How does playing sports teach one sportsmanship? Playing sports has never done anything else to me except keep me fit and it surely didn't help the fellows with attitude problems. Except perhaps made them even worse. That's from personal experience but perhaps it's different in where you live.
What I've come to think is that some people are just born the way they are and will be. Some are always humane and such, others are malicious and they'll always remain that way. I do hope it's not so.
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SageFIN
"I think IŽll believe in Gosh instead of God. If you donŽt
believe in Gosh too, youŽll be darned to heck."
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Nope... I'm just as big a jerk in person. I talk exactly the same as I write. I am not of the nintendo generation and didn't grow up with email. I choose my insults carefully. I still haven't figured out that I am not speaking to people when I write on this or any other board.
Having said that....I think maybe that it takes a lot longer for a persons sense of humor to come through in print than in person. Of course, some people are devoid of a sense of humor.
As for sports... I think sage is correct. I played non team sports like boxing, wrestling, tennis and Auto racing and I was, for the most part, both a poor loser and a poor winner.
lazs
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I'm also wondering if a lot of people are stereotype computer nerds or members of the Nintendo (Nofriendo) generation who didn't play sports in their youth and never learned sportsmanship and how to win (and lose) with dignity
Thx Funk my orange juice was nostril projectile after that NOFRIENDO bit
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LOL Sage!!! Born the way they are lolol
Blame yer parents, blame society, blame the way people are brought up, cuz it sure isn't a case of "born that way"
A friend of the family has 1 child, a son. That poor kid.. his dad was always an athlete, that kid HAS to win, if he fails, he has some explaining to do. He just wants to be a kid, but his father won't let him...
I worry what that kid will be like when he hits 25yrs of age.. With any luck in the NHL, where he can live out his childhood which he isn't getting to enjoy now.
My thots
AKSKurj
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Originally posted by -duma-:
That was very nearly a haiku, eskimo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ROFL
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The last time I was in Belgium, Saw, I was too young to drink. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
But I sure like Stella Artois. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I meant team sports.
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Beer
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Originally posted by SKurj:
LOL Sage!!! Born the way they are lolol
Blame yer parents, blame society, blame the way people are brought up, cuz it sure isn't a case of "born that way"
Well, what we are is part due to our genetic heritage and the environment in which we live. To which extent, who can tell. But surely you will not exclude those things altogether? I do believe in the power of self discipline and such as I practice them on myself but please do remember that we are all just flesh, bones, tissue etc. Our feelings and imagination, it's all in the brain and such are tied to the material world, which has it's limits. (As in if you suffer severe brain damage, your whole personality might totally change)
Originally posted by SKurj:
A friend of the family has 1 child, a son. That poor kid.. his dad was always an athlete, that kid HAS to win, if he fails, he has some explaining to do. He just wants to be a kid, but his father won't let him...
I worry what that kid will be like when he hits 25yrs of age.. With any luck in the NHL, where he can live out his childhood which he isn't getting to enjoy now.
That is very sad, and more so because I have such cases among the people I know, too. It's not only sports, however, some children are made sit before a piano and play until they just can't anymore because their parents want them to be professional musicians. And this only one example.
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SageFIN
"I think IŽll believe in Gosh instead of God. If you donŽt
believe in Gosh too, youŽll be darned to heck."
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Yes it's true AH is full of jerks . Just go into the TA and see how many ask permission before they shoot at you .
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Ya'll a bunch of weenie turds anyways.
Anyone who takes #1 seriously (or this BBS) for that matter needs a couple of 1000lb enemas. I reserve the right to act like an stunninghunk, to abuse you all, and to make a general salamander of myself!!!
Why? Cos you can't do it to the computer-drones on Falcon 4! Cos you can't do it to people on the street! And most of you beyatches are thousands of miles away from me and can't do sheeeet about it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
People who get wound up about the chat both in the sim and in here need to relax, kick back, and probably get a shag real quick.
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what vulcan said, but he has the benefit of thousands of wooly mammals all over for the latter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Zigrat (edited 12-10-2000).]
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It's all a matter of choice. Most of us choose to be decent folks, enjoying each other's company online, while others choose to be the self-obsessed jerks they will probably always be.
Btw, I'm always amazed at how hearing someone's voice on RW makes them much more human. Many people whom I thought were suedo-jerks sounded much more likeable when you talk to them on RW.
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Btw, I'm always amazed at how hearing someone's voice on RW makes them much more human. Many people whom I thought were suedo-jerks sounded much more likeable when you talk to them on RW.
Ya that's so true.
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Thanks for the offers guys.
Now, to all of you who still don't where I'm coming from, It ain't the insults, although the quality of those have declined to the point where ten year olds can do better,It's the mess, the constant hash of crap clogging comms and breaking the sense of being, Don't lecture me on it's the internet,it's the way things are, I've been here a long bellybutton time,
back to AW on Cserve, and WB (Yeah Wardog,I know,why you think I'm not there now)
And it isn't the same,it's worse,and getting even worse every year,maybe as a social animal we're starting to decline, dunno, not an egghead to debate it, but I don't see it as part of anything for anybody, and passive acceptance of the "status quo" isn't my style,I'm not naive,nor stupid, but I do have my own idea of what can and can't be, for every guy posting here, saying, "that's the way it is" there's what? 10? 25? folks who never post, and don't fly AH, because they do not accept your logic, so what you say? it's no loss? hmm, 10-25 upright folks I could be flying with, insteada these 3 jerks, I dunno, must be the new math 3+1= 20,right? But think on this, HTC cannot babysit this community,it's too large and dynamic,and far too adult to accept such an intrusion. Now having said that, and also having accused you of being adults, able to think and according to law, assume responsibility for your actions, what do you think the solution is? Obiviously not one you like, so be it, but don't tell me I'm wrong to take a stand against it, At least I take one.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Bravo pzvg....well said.
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LOL Creamo! I'm bored, and waiting for sleep until after the cable guy installs my digital cable, so I added something that seemed necessary (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The majority of the people I talk to here seem well balanced individuals,...
But occasioanlly (especially recently), I'm led to think otherwise.[/B]
What's that supposed to mean? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://www.fatchicksinpartyhats.com/fatball.gif)
btw, that's pretty good SOB
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I take it all back creamo, it clearly isn't true anymore. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by pzvg:
Thanks for the offers guys.
Now, to all of you who still don't where I'm coming from, It ain't the insults, although the quality of those have declined to the point where ten year olds can do better,It's the mess, the constant hash of crap clogging comms and breaking the sense of being, Don't lecture me on it's the internet,it's the way things are, I've been here a long bellybutton time,
back to AW on Cserve, and WB (Yeah Wardog,I know,why you think I'm not there now)
And it isn't the same,it's worse,and getting even worse every year,maybe as a social animal we're starting to decline, dunno, not an egghead to debate it, but I don't see it as part of anything for anybody, and passive acceptance of the "status quo" isn't my style,I'm not naive,nor stupid, but I do have my own idea of what can and can't be, for every guy posting here, saying, "that's the way it is" there's what? 10? 25? folks who never post, and don't fly AH, because they do not accept your logic, so what you say? it's no loss? hmm, 10-25 upright folks I could be flying with, insteada these 3 jerks, I dunno, must be the new math 3+1= 20,right? But think on this, HTC cannot babysit this community,it's too large and dynamic,and far too adult to accept such an intrusion. Now having said that, and also having accused you of being adults, able to think and according to law, assume responsibility for your actions, what do you think the solution is? Obiviously not one you like, so be it, but don't tell me I'm wrong to take a stand against it, At least I take one.
pzvg... You aren't making a stand, you are avoiding the issue by "burning yer bra..."
Get in the arena and try make a difference, thats making a stand. BTW I do feel the players could do more to police each other in the arena. IMO the AW3 arenas are much more civilized...
AKSKurj
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"burning your bra" how delightfully chauvinistic of ya (I'm a guy Btw)
Nope, wrong analogy (12th grade educations used to work) it's called "voting with my wallet"
Pzvg, out
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Pzvg....
I think you're just broke and irritated that you can't afford an account...I'm sorry, but I don't buy this (I'm just so far above the riff raff that I can't stand to associate with such a vile and unworthy group of folks)crappola. Please....if you can't find a squad or a group of good folks to fly around and kill stuff with, then perhaps the problem here is you? Through your own admission, there are good people in our community...it's not our fault you choose to focus on the negative.
Whoever suggested that you be a part of the community and add something positive, well, I agree with that. As far as your 20-25 players that won't play because we're such bad folks, perhaps they talked with you about AH and never got to know others in the community.
You're correct...these sims with their communities do change in some respects, however, we can all try to do our part to make a difference. Unless of course, you're more comfortable just pointing your finger at everyone else...that in my opinion is a large part of whats wrong in the world and this sim as well.
I really do hope you can find a way to come and play...if not, maybe you should look for your answers somewhere other than the AH community, which you have so eloquently crapped on.
Bye Bye
Ice
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jesus what a whiner
i used to talk smack, and i had fun doing it
it was my $30 that enabled me to talk smack, when someone said crap about me, that just made me want to kill them more
its just words buddy, and since you obviously think we are all low life scum you shoudnt care what those words are. I know when some idiot says stuff i dont care what he says, so why you you care what we say?
do you think the tommies invited the krauts over for tea and crumpets or do you think they cussed em out?
the only opinions that should matter to you are your own,friends,and family. so jesus i have seen like 5 threads by you in this same vein, just get off your high horse! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hehe it's a pilot thing!
If you guys could be flies on the wall in a ready room or flight planning room or fighter bar somewhere you'd be thinking, "Geez, what a bunch of...er...hey, they sound just like US!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I actually heard an A-10 pilot in the bar "challenge" an F-16 guy to a dogfight once. And he was serious (at least as serious as an inebriated 2nd Lt can be). The only rule, of course, was that it HAD to be a headon pass. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Even real pilots are more interested in their own "fun" than "fair play," apparently...
You guys are doin OK. If you cut out all the nastiness and whining, you won't be "flyers" anymore. Cricketers, maybe, but not flyers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Wouldn't it be fun to meet someone drinking beer sometime, and find out that he was a Warbirder, or an Aces High...er...er or an Air Warrior who you'd actually flown with or heard of?
And then commence to whining about what's wrong with your sim? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"high horse"? "moral"?
What part of "I'm tired of the useless crap getting in the way of the game" do you not understand? Jesus friggin Christ, before you bend yer little digits for these oh so cunning replies, take a snowblower and hose out that dusty closet between your ears, I can take verbal abuse, in fact, chilluns, ya ain't even close ta my end o' the pool. So shove it, And if you can't understand the basic nature of I'm tired of the bufferclogging mindless inanity that you constantly defend as the internet, when we all know it's not really the case, then I suggest that you go pick a fight with an opponent in the same IQ group, (I'd recommend a wall) Now, If you're feeling all hot and raging, piss on ya, I make a reasonable attempt, a few folks come back with reasonable responses, and a few intellectual giants have to try to either be funny, or defend a position that has no real excuse, all the while missing the friggin point.
"We've heard all this before...blah,blah, etc"
Yes, yes you have, including from the game's designers, maybe there's a reason you keep hearing the same old tired crap over and over again.
And point least, I never speak to anyone about AH at all, and if I did, I would give them a fair appraisal, I'm not biased.
Enough, I'm still waiting for something, and it's something that used to exist in fact, not a pipe dream.
Call me everyname in the book ya want, I've got 2 exwives probably can say it better.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Well well, that qualifies as material for what did you call it... the "personal spasm zone" pzvg.
It can't be worth getting THAT worked up over, can it? Pull yer pants up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I personally met up with PZVG and WERT this summer at my home. They're both great guys, no different from an average Joe Blow. We discussed everything from politics to Flight sims, and believe me, PZ's a great guy. I think(and correct me if I'm wrong) what his message is this: Grow up and act your age. Too much piddly little whining going on in the community. Too much 'elitism' is apparent. Treat each other the same way you want to be treated.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 12-13-2000).]
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That's how I read it too, Rip. And he has a good point. The problem is, it's akin to bangin' yer head against the wall... because no amount of complainin' about it will change some of these idiot's behavior. C'est la vie.
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Double post
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 12-13-2000).]
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Yep, Nash, that's exactly what I posted in my first reply to this thread:
If you're waiting for the community, it ain't never been there and ain't never gonna get there, like the real world, alot of diversity...
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LOL!!! Jedi
Now THAT is a HO Dweeb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Taking on a A-10 in a HO.
*rolls on floor laughing*
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