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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BEVO on May 23, 2003, 01:12:40 PM
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Traditional American Beers (like Bud & Miller) are perceived as weak because they are light in color.
Up until very recently, Americans always documented the Alcohol Pct. As Alcohol By Weight (ABW), while the rest of the world uses Alcohol By Volume (ABV). The ABV number will always be higher. Thus, people were comparing apples and oranges.
THE TRUTH (http://www.brewpalace.com/Report.asp?Report=CountrySummary&Filter=ON&Sort=AvgAlch&Order=DESC)
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BEVO you are like a bottle of beer without an opener- oh wait, that was yesterday's thread...my bad...
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Too bad American beer tastes like cheese then... so no one drinks them anyway...
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It's not the alcohol that's weak. It's the taste.
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Bevo, its not about alcohol content but taste. Put a good german beer (Paulianer (sp?) comes to mind, next to any american domestic beer, and you'll see that american beer has no taste, might as well be drinking piss and water.
Only exception IMO in the last few years is Shiner's Bock is pretty close to german beer taste.
I have no opinion of any beers from micro brewerys or home brewed havent drank any since 1994.
I spent 4 years in Germany drinking german beer almost every weekend (and a few week days) and tried several different brands. I've been back in the states now for 5 years and rarely drink beer anymore unless its Bock or the occasional imported german beers like Bischoff (also good)
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All mass produced beer tastes like **** once you get hooked on microbrews. And strength is seldomely an issue there.
MiniD
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Even "weak" is the wrong term to describe the taste of Bud or MGD. I think "shallow" is more accurate. The better beers have a fullness of taste that is missing in most American beers, imho.
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Sorry, I apologize, I do occasionally drink Miller Lite when I'm thirsty and theres no water around.
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I drink Ziegenbock. The Miller lite and Bud were just examples......... and every Canadian out there talks about how weak American beer is. That's all I was saying.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Even "weak" is the wrong term to describe the taste of Bud or MGD. I think "shallow" is more accurate. The better beers have a fullness of taste that is missing in most American beers, imho.
why be nice? just call it what it American macrobrews are. Horse piss. Lite beers are watered down horse piss.
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Originally posted by BEVO
I drink Ziegenbock. The Miller lite and Bud were just examples......... and every Canadian out there talks about how weak American beer is. That's all I was saying.
If American beer is so gawd awful bad, how do you account for the stats on that site, with US beers the highest in almost every category. Like I said, I am not a beer officianado. Scoth is my drink. I'm just curious as to how bad American beer really is.
Especially since most big american beers were started by immigrants usuing old world recipes? Is it because we like it ice cold?
Really, Im just curious. Not trying to bash anyone's beer.:confused: :confused: :confused:
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Pilsners: blech
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From what I drank:
1.) French beer. Makes u puke, from taste not from alcohol;
2.) American beer. "Beer" lol.
3.) British beer. I don`t ger the lager idea, but it`s still BEER.
4.) German Beer. The best there is !
www.alpirsbacher.de (http://www.alpirsbacher.de)
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You can argue a beer has to taste all bold and manly all you want. All beer is good beer mostly. Some are more suited people’s individual tastes, or sometimes what image they want to project. The beer company’s are well aware of this, as their commercials, billboards, and this thread will attest.
Personally, I like a ice cold can of Old Milwaukee because it is light, crisp, and you don’t feel like you swallowed of pop-up tent after 10 of them. And they kick your ass, which was the point of the thread I think. Bud Light is good that way too, although I admit Coors Light might take "light" too far.
So keep paying $7.99 a six pack for Amstel Light and Heineken, and don’t buy Old Mil, or you’ll fuk up the $4.49 12 pack price thank you.
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All beer is good beer mostly
fug I hate agreeing with Creamo !!! but... hell
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Creamo, I could care less whether a beer is manly, bold or if it has an image. I like taste.
Before germany I drank several different american beers, Pearl, Lone Star, Old Milwakee, Schlitz, Hamms, Blatz, Pabetz, Bud, Coors, original Miller pilsner, MGD and Lite, Keystone (yuck, actually made me sick) Red Dog, Zeigenbock, Shiner Bock, and others. They all tasted fine and most were cheap (in 79-80 I could get Hamms for $1.50 a 6pack, Bud was $6 a case)
For me after germany, american will never be the same.
German beer will definitely kick your ass, 2 Paulianers = 6 pack of Bud.
But you're right, beer is beer and I ain't never turned one down
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No one likes American beer. Does kinda make one wonder who it is that drinks all those millions of cans/bottles/glasses every day here in the US though. :confused:
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Beer is Beer
Scotch is the nectar of the gods.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Beer is Beer
Scotch is the nectar of the gods.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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No one likes American beer. Does kinda make one wonder who it is that drinks all those millions of cans/bottles/glasses every day here in the US though.
Good patriotic folk, obviously.
The problem with American beer is the partly the gas and the lack of taste, for me. I like a nice smooth beer that doesn't bloat you up.
Devious - I don't know where you get the idea that British beer equals lager. I don't think there are any British lagers in major circulation. But John Smiths, Boddingtons, Worthies, Theakston are the big mass produced beers over here. We import alot of lager like the god awful Fosters, and the not so bad Heineken and quite nice Stella and Kronenburg.
I like Belgian and German beer, but I rarely get the chance to drink it.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Beer is Beer
Scotch is the nectar of the gods.
Scotch is too good for the God's. They got all them other super powers anyway. Scotch is for mortals so that they can bear the heavy weight of being mortal, and reading MiniDs posts!
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Scotch is nothing, childs play
Vodka is king. A good vodka is smooth straight and mixes with anything, even milk
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Ah C'mon,
Even the German beer in America takes like pisswater... The pasteurization process ruins the flavor of the beer. An example: Drink Becks here, then drink Becks in Germany. Although Becks is not the favorite beer of many Germans, its tastes A LOT better than the Becks we get here.
BTW, a good single malt Scotch buries vodka any day of the week in my book. Although I do like vodka.
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Same with Guiness - a pint of Guiness in Ireland is much better than a pint in England or anywhere else.
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I have tried many american brands, none have impressed me. They all taste like they have been watered out (with somewhat impure water). Microbrewery beer is the same everywhere, both in europe and US. Tastes somewhat less watered out than US stuff, but makes your stomach nervous if you drink too many. Inferior to a well made european beer. Not a good alternative.
Worst thing is that imported beer in the US often tastes like crap too. Most of my favorite european brands was a bit "off", prolly beacuse of long transportation and storage. I was desperate after my first few weeks in D.C. Finally my friendly liquorstore manager next door got hold of a few cases of dutch beer that wasn't ruined. I had him import that for the next three years, he didn't even put it out for sale in the shop. I got my friends hooked on it too. Was quite a sight every friday, when the norwegian colony bashed in, went into his cooler and carried out the weekends supply. I think we did away with a pallet a month. The name was "Three Horses", on almost every photo from my stay there's someone holding a bottle of it :D
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Dowding, is it your laws in England that cause it to be so? In America, all beers have to be pasteurized by law. It absolutely ruins the flavor of the beer, but prevents any bacteria from forming. I suppose it's a good safeguard, but it sure does ruin the taste.
BigUC, it's not the prolonged shipping that causes European beers to taste bad here in the U.S. It's that their beer has to be specially made for us using pasteurization.
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ole mil has nothing on natural lite. there is nothing like sucking down a 12 pack of natural lite and passing out at some crap hole of a beach in florida.
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You know I'm not sure about that Grim, The Bischoff pils I buy at HEBs central market seems to taste the same as what I drank in Germany, but after 5 years I cant be sure.
Whats needed is a comprehensive comparison to gather up-to-date pertinent data on every american brewed beer, imported beers, and beers in the actual country where brewed. I am willing to sacrifice my time, liver and brain cells further the advancement of brewerys everywhere by visiting each major and minor brewery and sample their beers. Then have them deliver a case of each sample to a central location for the study. I think about $200,000 should cover the costs and the study should take less than a year.
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Originally posted by MajTom
You know I'm not sure about that Grim, The Bischoff pils I buy at HEBs central market seems to taste the same as what I drank in Germany, but after 5 years I cant be sure.
Whats needed is a comprehensive comparison to gather up-to-date pertinent data on every american brewed beer, imported beers, and beers in the actual country where brewed. I am willing to sacrifice my time, liver and brain cells further the advancement of brewerys everywhere by visiting each major and minor brewery and sample their beers. Then have them deliver a case of each sample to a central location for the study. I think about $200,000 should cover the costs and the study should take less than a year.
Count me in, and BOTTOMS UP! hehehe
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Now I'm thirsty................
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I believe it is a legal requirement, Grim. Especially considering the stuff that goes into Guiness.
I am not sure you can even buy unpasteurized milk over here anymore.
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iam tryin too figur out whithch beer is bessst riight NOW
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Grim, not all US beers are pasteurized: Great Lakes (Cleveland) and Lakefront (Milwaukee) are a couple that come to mind. Of course their distribution is limited by the requirement to keep the stuff refrigerated.
that page with the stats is probably skewed by the microbrews. IF they did average alcohol per gallon, you'd get some different numbers.
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its bad tasting and it is pretty lightweight...whiskey is much better (40% alcohol by volume)
but thats just my biased opinion (as your "beer" is lager...lager is terrible...ale...maybe...stou t probably...)
lager is bad nomatter where its made...
majtom your statement about vodka mkixing with anything is true...but you can mix rye whiskey with milk...if you include pepsi...wich is of course the basic recipe for a paralyzer...
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Pasteurized beer ?
Are you mad ??????
Seriously Pasteurisation is good provided there won't be any contamination by a germ after the process.
Pasteurisation can even be dangerous in the case of a contamination by salmonella ... example :
Put some salmonella on a pasteurized cheese it spread very very fast ...
do the same on a non-pasteurised it spread slowly ...
Why ? just because in a non-pasteurised cheese salmonella is in competion with some others microbes killed by pasteurisation.
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Originally posted by GrimCO
BigUC, it's not the prolonged shipping that causes European beers to taste bad here in the U.S. It's that their beer has to be specially made for us using pasteurization.
Interesting. I'm now against pasteurization of ANY kind.... Thanks!
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Ice beer is where its at if you are looking to get toejamfaced, higher alcohol content.
Asshouse/Icehouse is the king for that, Natty Ice or Milwaukee Beast Ice are good substitutes.
They do taste like crap, but then theres few beers I can afford that don't.
If your worried about taste, maybe a more fitting drink for you would be something more feminine... like a Fuzzy Navel or a wine cooler.
-SW
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or a real mans drink...whiskey...now that is good tasting...
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Originally posted by straffo
Pasteurized beer ?
Are you mad ??????
Seriously Pasteurisation is good provided there won't be any contamination by a germ after the process.
Pasteurisation can even be dangerous in the case of a contamination by salmonella ... example :
Put some salmonella on a pasteurized cheese it spread very very fast ...
do the same on a non-pasteurised it spread slowly ...
Why ? just because in a non-pasteurised cheese salmonella is in competion with some others microbes killed by pasteurisation.
Pasteurization... Another French invention gone bad.
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Same with Guiness - a pint of Guiness in Ireland is much better than a pint in England or anywhere else.
as a guiness only drinker you got that right
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Originally posted by Dowding
I believe it is a legal requirement, Grim. Especially considering the stuff that goes into Guiness.
I am not sure you can even buy unpasteurized milk over here anymore.
English hand pulled ale is not pasteurised. It's alive. That's why it tastes so good, and that's why it takes a skilled cellarkeeper to maintain the barrel in tip top condition.
The chart on the website at the start of this thread also mentioned that there were something like 170 belgian beers. 170! More like 500. I've seen the labels.
Hey Dracken, you back with us Vikings anytime soon?
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Real men drink cider. :D
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Slivowitz is THE nectar of the gods.
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I remember "Three Horses Beer" from about 40 years ago. My Dad drank that beer back in 1963...and yes it was Dutch beer.
Les:)
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Originally posted by Dowding
I am not sure you can even buy unpasteurized milk over here anymore.
Green top. Fresh from the cow, you can still get it but usually only in the middle of nowhere. I've never seen it in any large city.
Gatso
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Slivowitz is THE nectar of the gods.
ROTFL
When i was in NY a few years ago they had a really great american beer but i cant remember the name. It was tastfull and wasnt worse than a good german beer. I hate mass production beers (Heineken Miller Bud (puke)).
The only mass product beer i "like" is Beck's cause its from Bremen Germany (my hometown) :D
But
U ARE ALL WRONG!!! if we talk about a bracing Pils
The best beer is produced in Czechia.
There is no German Pils that could compare with even the big breweries (like Pilsener Urquell and the original Budweiser) in Czechia.
I dont know how they do it but they are simply the best.
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That chart is incredibly inaccurate or the information they've received is incomplete. My county isn't even listed yet there are about 20 locally brewed ales that are very strong, up to 20% ABV. Could the chart be comparing Lagers rather than all beers?
Lager or Ale/Bitter though, that is the question! Got to be strong ale/bitter for me.
Does the US brew anything like bitter/ale/stout?
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lol MT :D
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http://www.magichat.net/
Damn good local beer ..the 'Heart of Darkness' beer rocks .. real dark stout... they have real good Irish Red aLE Humble Patience and Ravel vanllia porter along with 9 which tastes like apricotts or IPA's etc :D ... mm I want to go pick up a Growler Typical american beer sux .. Vermont Beer is awesome(this is just one local brewery) .. and I've been to Germany and Belgium (mmm Chimey)
-I should point out you can get this beer anywhere in the northeast .. I've seen keg's at bars in New Jersey ..Good luck look for Humble Patience on Draught... in the bottle is good but totaly diffrant beer ..
There's good American beer out there ... you have hope :D
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Originally posted by Duedel
The only mass product beer i "like" is Beck's cause its from Bremen Germany (my hometown) :D
Duedel, you're from Bremen??? You are now my official hero!
I still think you Germans produce some of the best tasting beers in the World. I definitely trust a German's opinion on beer. When it comes to American beer vs. German beer, we're not worthy! LOL
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Originally posted by Replicant
That chart is incredibly inaccurate or the information they've received is incomplete. My county isn't even listed yet there are about 20 locally brewed ales that are very strong, up to 20% ABV. Could the chart be comparing Lagers rather than all beers?
Lager or Ale/Bitter though, that is the question! Got to be strong ale/bitter for me.
Does the US brew anything like bitter/ale/stout?
no...i dont think so...i dont think you can even get a stout on this side of the atlantic...there is a company that makes ale in calgary but thats in canada...
and im pretty sure that it has to be comparing lager...
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Originally posted by GrimCO
Duedel, you're from Bremen??? You are now my official hero!
I still think you Germans produce some of the best tasting beers in the World. I definitely trust a German's opinion on beer. When it comes to American beer vs. German beer, we're not worthy! LOL
LOL thx GrimCO but u can get really good US-beer in the USA. I guess u only have to know where.
If u ever find a place where u can get this (Franz Josef Jubelbier)
(http://www.sailer-braeu.de/pictures/m_jubelbier.gif)
I ensure u will be one of the luckiest men in the whole world - apart from ur liver. :D
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Dowding & Dracken - I agree, a pint of Guinness in Ireland is hard to beat, but in point of fact the Guinness turned out at Park Royal, West London is no different from that turned out by the Guinness Brewery in Dublin. The difference is the throughput in Ireland greatly exceeds that of England/Wales. Go to your local pub and look around: How many people are drinking Guinness? One, two, maybe none. Now go to a pub in Dublin. Most of the men will be drinking Guinness. At 7pm on a Saturday if you walk into a Dublin pub, they'll have a couple already part poured in anticipation of demand. They'll top those off for you and your friend, and start pouring two more. Irish Guinness is not kicking around in the pipes the way it might be in England/Wales.
99Gatso - are you still pissing it up at the White Horse?
Replicant - what happened to the Ruddles brewery?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Replicant - what happened to the Ruddles brewery?
Ruddles, yeah, they got bought out by Grolsch and moved down to near Oxford. Grolsch screwed them big time. They then got rescued by some other real ale company but it still doesn't compare to the Rutland brewed Ruddles of old. The old Ruddles brewery was about 3 miles from where I live and is now a housing estate (closed about 7 or 8 years ago). You can still get Ruddles Best Bitter and Ruddles County in the old fashioned bottles. Nearly bought some today but opted for Wychwood 'Hobgoblin' :)
There are other local breweries though, such as 'Oakham Ales' which is brewed at the Grainstore Brewery. Apparently they're quite successful around the country although I've only seen their ale in a few places.
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"Beer Ain't Drinkin'"
- Mojo Nixon
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If you are out of Polish Vodka and are forced to drink piss err beer, then please, please please, either get Zywiec or go to Bevmo and get one of the mini-kegs of Spaten or EKB or the like. I'll drink Ameribeer at a ball game but only for the purpose of washing down the Saags goodness.
BTW
GO DAN WHELDON (JIM BEAM INDY CAR)