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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: sqwigly on May 25, 2003, 12:28:42 AM
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Well every one is starting to find out that youve changed the map rotation format.Now all i hear is "what good is taking a base?"in my opinion youve taken the whole point of the game away.The main arena has become one big furball.This is fine if you play for stats but as most of us know,stats can be faked.So whats the point?.when the map changed every time someone won it,people fought to win.People who hated the map fought to get rid of it and people who liked it fought to hold it,I heard it all the time.Maps should never be reset unless someone wins it,this takes away from the realism of the game.If it takes a month to beat a team then it takes a month,thats war.Now everyone is discuraged and theres talk of quiting. I dont want to quit,i love this game and i think its the best around,i put alot of time into my squad. So please consider that no one likes what youve done and maybe change it back.If nothing else please tell me the logic behind the change?
Theres power in numbers so if you agree that it should be chaged back please post a reply here and let them know.if you dissagree post it and tell me why its a good thing.
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Sqwigly C/O Fate
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I agree the map should not be changed till a winner emerges, and if people talk about the maps getting boring well i dont see the logic behind that as in Air Warrior we had the same map for 3 years, and it was fine with me and the rest of my squad
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Why couldnt they just go back to the old format (Win the war the terrain auto rotates).
But also do a manual terrain reset on Fri like now.
That way you win the war the map rotates, but no map will be up for longer than a week.
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You make a valid point, though I'll have to disagree,,,
IMO people like taking fields and/or fuballing
because they like taking fields and furballing, not because they want to rush to the next map, I may be wrong,but why do we rush thru 3 nice historical maps in a day or two, just to get stuck on Pizza or Trinity for a week?
(not that i mind those 2 maps,,there kinda growing on me now,,as long as i zoom in on map,and focus on trying to stay in a certain area)
In WB's a map would last all TOD(3 weeks), most very much enjoyed going after the reset, even though doing so just started the map back over.
For me the enjoyment of helping the team win the reset, far outweighs the perkies or the desire for the next map
S!
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I wonder why HT even tries to help sometimes. It's like he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The new map rotation system was put in place as a responce to the community's cry of having the same map for weeks at a time. This is what the community wanted and it's what it got and now you're pissing and moaning to HT about it?
Ack-Ack
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^ just viewed about a dozen of your '38 films,,,g/f man!
you woulda loved the '38f in 2.77
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There are too many map whiners in this game. And there are too many people who whine about "choices". I always think back to how the real WW2 was, and what choices the soldiers and airmen had then.
People whine about the maps, whine about map rotation, whine because of fields too far apart, whine about darkness... it's totally out of hand.
I agree with Cooley about WB. Same map for 3 weeks, and no-one complained. Still, we had stealth missions in WB, and much, much less suicide smashdown gaminess. Cooley - remember that "Waterworld" map with field 19 in the SW corner, and field 31 half way up the western side? That was my favourite.
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CC,also known as the Volcano map (field 8 i think) fun map
still in rotation in the 2.77 FO arena,,pretty intresting arena now, about 40+ diehards there that wont go to wb3, even though the low #'s, it was kinda fun cause of all the little personal rivalrys there, you would give up your first born before you would change color,,and you could quickly identify who you were fighting within seconds of seeing thier ACM
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Originally posted by Cooley
^ just viewed about a dozen of your '38 films,,,g/f man!
you woulda loved the '38f in 2.77
Thanks.
I know flying the P-38F was fun in WB 2.77. It was the only thing that kept me flying until the J and L model were available.
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Hey AKAK, what was your WB handle?
Yes, Week 1 of the WB RPS was bad for me, especially as Axis flying the 109E. It once took me a week to get 8 kills in that thing. I got so desperate that I waited for my Dutch squaddies to retire for the evening, and then I changed sides to Allied! :eek: Hehe, got as many kills in the next hour with the P38F as I had got in a week with the 109E. But the P38F compressed badly in WB. The J was better, but the L had powered controls and was able to use its speed. However, in AH, the P38L seems to suffer from the same compression problems as the F in WB - can you comment?
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Well, you know the saying..
You can please all of em some of the time, some of em all of the time, but you can't please all of em all of the time.
Thanks HT, for your commitment in trying to please all of us all of the time.
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well thats all really interesting but since you guys dont seem to care about the game format much,can some one at least tell me what the point of the game is now?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hey AKAK, what was your WB handle?
Yes, Week 1 of the WB RPS was bad for me, especially as Axis flying the 109E. It once took me a week to get 8 kills in that thing. I got so desperate that I waited for my Dutch squaddies to retire for the evening, and then I changed sides to Allied! :eek: Hehe, got as many kills in the next hour with the P38F as I had got in a week with the 109E. But the P38F compressed badly in WB. The J was better, but the L had powered controls and was able to use its speed. However, in AH, the P38L seems to suffer from the same compression problems as the F in WB - can you comment?
ack-ch was my WB handle, flew with the MOL on the Goldies side.
I don't see any compressability similarities between the P-38L of AH and the P-38F of WB. In AH, you really have to work at getting your P-38L into it while the P-38F in WB was pretty much the opposite, you kind of had to work to keep it out of it. That's why when I flew the P-38F and the J, I never went above 15,000ft in WB because of compressability but when the L model was available, on with the space suit because I was going to go to 20k and bag me some Barneys.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by sqwigly
well thats all really interesting but since you guys dont seem to care about the game format much,can some one at least tell me what the point of the game is now?
To do whatever you want, and have fun doing it! :D I like to fly bombers, so will continue to bomb and capture bases; I also like to defend fields in an Osty or Field Gun, so will continue to do that too. If you get bored with the MA, there is always the CT or you can take part in Special Events - which do have a set purpose. :)
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Originally posted by sqwigly
well thats all really interesting but since you guys dont seem to care about the game format much,can some one at least tell me what the point of the game is now?
I always thought the point of this game was to have fun.
You can always ask HT to increase the reset perks you get for winning the map as a motivation to win the map. I'm sure a lot in the community would go for that.
Ack-Ack
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When the "new" trinity hits the rotation and it is resetable in a reasonable length of time I would think the old way will return.
WB277 Island terrain was a blast. The europe terrain was alot of fun too. Ahh when we was lads..
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we have a lot of maps and each has it's fans and it's detractors... the problem was that 2 of the maps are very large and are hated by a good percentage of the players.. some of the maps are small and reset easily... if you like the smaller maps you never got a chance to play em... if you hated the large maps you were forced to play em most of the time.
The different maps cause different gameplay... to be stuck on one map and one type of gameplay was not a good thing.
no one complained in dos AW that it was $2 or even $6 an hour but that doesn't mean that we should go back to that. No one complained about the two dimensional planes... Guess we all just demand a little more in todays market.
lazs
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Originally posted by Flossy
To do whatever you want, and have fun doing it!
We have a WINNAH!
100% correct, Flossy.
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the main goal of the game should be to have fun,but the problemb I see is that without any real goal,its just a place to go fly. Ive seen my squad members (and I)try for 12 hrs in a row to take bases, it gave a sense of purpose to the game. I've been just flying around trying to "have fun".but the difference is,now after about 2-3 hrs of flying around killing without purpose, the game gets a little boring.I find myself wanting to go play something else.you've taken a highly addictive game and turned it into a good place to fly for a while.but im shure you guys know what your doing.i guess the game has been getting to crowded.this should take care of it.
does anyone know of a good "realistic" online war game?:(
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Originally posted by sqwigly
I find myself wanting to go play something else.
Let me know how it goes, cya.
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I'm like sqwigly. I like the fights, but not simply for their own sake. I feel as if I'm on a hamster wheel, unless there's some ulterior motive. That's all. I've amended my sig to quote Apache.
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Originally posted by sqwigly
does anyone know of a good "realistic" online war game?:(
Well if it is realism you are looking for, what difference does it make if the arena changes or not? How realistic is it anyway to have P51s fighting F4Us, or Spitfires fighting Hurricanes? The MA itself is not realistic. If you are looking for more 'realism', have you thought of trying the CT for general flying, and taking part in Special Events which are held throughout each week and all use historical matchups? As some of us say, the MA is simply a practice arena for the Special Events! :D
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im not askin for much,i dont want perfect realism.but every game has a goal,even checkers.the difference between the way it is now and the way it was is that no one cares about stealing bases anymore.so there is no real point.for me and my 14 squad members,the "fun" was in getting organized, planning a mission,and stealling bases.the reason we stole bases was to win the war and get a new map.now that everyone knows the map is just gonna reset to the same dam map,no one cares.so what are we to do?get 10 people together and go shoot ack-ack down in his p 38?big deal-i dont need a squad for that,just my spit 5.
for those who fly 1 time a week in a week,im shure you wouldent understand the problemb with the change,but tods is not enough for the die hard player,they are short,poorly organized,you are told what to do,and they are generaly pointless.they are a good test of squad skills but thats it.have you ever heard"wow the axis made a great comeback"or"the tod battle is really goin good"no you havent,thats because all it is,is a bunch of squads that fly for a certain target at random bases each month.there is no gaining of ground through fighting,there is no continuation of the battle.you fly your mission and next week they give you another.its a test not a war.i dont care about realism,put a heat seeking missle on your plane,ill still fight ya.but if there is no point to stealing bases i dont see the fun and i dont see the point.
p.s. hey pumba,thanks for your response,it really helped the disscussion alot.im shure no one will miss me if i left but htc might see it a little different when i find another game and take my 14 members with me.lets see 14 times 15$=210$times12 months=2520$per year.but yes i will let you know how it goes pumba.what is a pumba anyway?isnt it that african weasel?
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Originally posted by sqwigly
p.s. hey pumba,thanks for your response,it really helped the disscussion alot.im shure no one will miss me if i left but htc might see it a little different when i find another game ant take my 14 members with me.lets see 14 times 15$=210$times12 months=2520$per year.but yes i will let you know how it goes pumba.what is a pumba anyway?isnt it that african weasel?
I see you add better than you read.
You don't wanna pick a fight with me buddy.
I didn't like you whinnin and askin for a "real game", indirectly putting this one down, and i still don't like it. Using your squad to attempt to lend weight to your bi*ching , is even sadder.
Airbumba..(that's a B, as in Bi*ching, got it now)
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pumba im the first one to stand behind this game. i recomend it to everyone i know.ive sent them thank yous several times.ive played almost every game ever since pong and i think this is the best ever, but when i say my squad will leave,its not me trying to threaten anyone.its because my squad,and everyone in the arena,is very unhappy with the change.they are talking about quiting.i am simply trying to fix the bad change that was made as a representative of my squad.I am the last one to whine about anything but this was a mistake and unless you let people know how you feel,they wont know how you feel.so tell me pumba,what do you do in the game?bases dont matter,so what do you do?fly around an kill afew people?how long does this stay "fun" for you? 2-3 hrs?
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i get it your name is bumba,my bad.must be my upside down dislexsia.so then whats a bumba?i dont wana guess,you might think im pickin a fight again:D
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Originally posted by sqwigly
get 10 people together and go shoot ack-ack down in his p 38?big deal-i dont need a squad for that,just my spit 5.
You'd have a better chance with 10 people than alone...
And as for your other points, have you tried offering some solutions instead of threatening to take your ball and go home?
The map rotation system shows that HT listens to the community and is willing to work with it when the community offers up viable solutions. I'm sure HT will listen to the community again when it offers up a viable solution to the problem, since he's clearly done so in the past. Threatening to quit the game and take your squad with you isn't the way to do it. You may not realize it but when you leave, a couple of new players come in to fill in the void your squadron left.
How about writing to HT and ask him to increase the perks you get at reset like I mentioned in my previous post? Double or even triple the amount of perks you get and I'm sure you'll find a lot willing to try to make an effort and win the map if it means getting a 100+ perks across the board.
Frankly, since the community is the one that got itself in this mess, it's the community's obligation to get it out of it and not cry to HT when things they wanted turned out to be not as they hoped it would.
Ack-Ack
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i guess im just gettin a little frustrated.but i think i have made some good points.so my recomendation is this.although i think the map should not change without a winner,its obvious this wont happen.so at least,still change it on friday but if its won durring the week change it as well.what i dont understand though is whats gonna happen when its 10 min till the change and one team is down to 3 bases about to loose?it resets anyway and the whole fight was for nothing?
as far as my "threat" goes about leaving the game,it is not meant as a threat, i see the game going downhill,i dont like this,I dont want it to go down hill,i love this game, I live this game.but i see people not having fun with it allready because of the change and threatening to quit.my desire to play the game is down,heck im in here writing books to try to "fix" whats wrong instead of flying.so those of you who think im against the game might wanna reconsider.im not tryin to pick fights with anyone, but no one likes being called a whiner.
It was the masses that caused this so i will wait and see if the masses can fix it.im done
thanks for your wise words ack
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Originally posted by sqwigly
i guess im just gettin a little frustrated.
I feel the same way too but for different reasons. Flying this tour feels like more of a chore than fun for me at times and I'll admit it's not as fun as it used to be.
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Originally posted by SixxGunn
Why couldnt they just go back to the old format (Win the war the terrain auto rotates).
But also do a manual terrain reset on Fri like now.
That way you win the war the map rotates, but no map will be up for longer than a week.
Yes!..Please implement this idea..:)
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sirloin jhust so that you know that was the basic err "demand" (for lack of a better term) of the community...
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Originally posted by SixxGunn
Why couldnt they just go back to the old format (Win the war the terrain auto rotates).
But also do a manual terrain reset on Fri like now.
That way you win the war the map rotates, but no map will be up for longer than a week.
Hmmm... and what happens when a map is reset on Thursday night? Should everyone just pack up and go home? It will be reset on Friday anyway.
Personally, I really don't see the problem (provided Trinity is made more playable :)). I see it to be much like the vaunted "La7 Whine"..... "this map (, plane, vehicle, etc..) is unbeatable...get rid of it!!!".
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Fights for their own sake?
Or Resets for their own sake?
The whole bloody thing is a hamster wheel, or hasn't anyone sat down and really thought about it?
What happens when you win a war? The game resets and the war starts all over again. Sounds like a hamster wheel indeed.
"And round and round went that big ******* wheel and in and out went that big ***** of steel, and in and out until she cried, "enough, enough, I'm sat-at-tis-fied!"
(So who can name the band and the song for THAT one?" :D)
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Originally posted by Toad
Fights for their own sake?
Or Resets for their own sake?
The whole bloody thing is a hamster wheel, or hasn't anyone sat down and really thought about it?
Toad...
Of course a few of us have. The point is that it is all pointless :). It isn't about winning fights or wars. It isn't about being the best (learned this when HT went from being my whipping boy to being my nemisis :D). It is about having fun. If you aren't having fun....then you are doing it wrong and should be doing something else :D.
My old motto from AW days applies..."if it ain't fun...don't do it" :).
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beer aint fun no more...should i stop drinking???
and sqwigly...the logic behind it was that everytime trinity rolled around there was mass whining on the board (do a quick search on trinity...you'll see what i mean...it was getting more occurant than the perk the la7 threads)
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oh and i do beleive i was the only one tto profecise the "whats the point in taking bases anymore" thing...
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Exactly so, NB, exactly so.
The only possible point on this whole pointless hamster wheel ride is to have fun. IMO, those that try to make it more than that are doomed to disappointment.
It's just plain old fun. Well said.
Now, stand by, and we'll see who still doesnt' get it.
;)
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You need to pull up after you divebomb too.
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Let's put it this way.
Not everyone is satisfied with a certain map.
With the exception of "Trinity", which has an exceptionally long running time, most maps rotate in about two days. When it's short, even a few hours.
With the new 1-week rotation feature, now, everybody gets to see their most hated map for one whole week.
Ofcourse, in reverse logic, everybody would also see their favorite map for one week, too.
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So, simply put,
Would the fun of your favorite map for one week, overweigh the dismay of seeing your most hated map for one week?
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For me, seeing my most hated map for one whole week, is worse than seeing any of my favorite maps for one week.
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Originally posted by Mr. Toad
Fights for their own sake?
Or Resets for their own sake?
The whole bloody thing is a hamster wheel, or hasn't anyone sat down and really thought about it?
What happens when you win a war? The game resets and the war starts all over again. Sounds like a hamster wheel indeed.
"And round and round went that big ******* wheel and in and out went that big ***** of steel, and in and out until she cried, "enough, enough, I'm sat-at-tis-fied!"
(So who can name the band and the song for THAT one?" :D)
ROFL!!!! My dad taught us that song in the 50s/60s. :) Sung to a Methodist hymn tune of all things! I'll finish it off for you...
Now we come to the tragic bit,
There was no way of stopping it,
She was split from ar*e to t*t
And the whole bloody thing was covered in s**t...
Hehe, thanks for the memory. :D
As for who wrote it, I'm guessing Dad learned it in the RAF during WW2.
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Originally posted by vorticon
oh and i do beleive i was the only one tto profecise the "whats the point in taking bases anymore" thing...
Hardly...
Ack-Ack
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Beet1e, you win the see-gar!
Recorded here in the '60's by Doug Clark and the Hotnuts. Yeah, they've got a web page now, even! ;)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
So, simply put,
Would the fun of your favorite map for one week, overweigh the dismay of seeing your most hated map for one week?
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For me, seeing my most hated map for one whole week, is worse than seeing any of my favorite maps for one week.
....and in addition, you know you will have to wait 5 weeks to see the one you like again. Guess what, as new maps come on line...the wait will be even longer. Seems this might be a "becareful what you wish for..." kind of deal for the folks that screamed for a forced map rotation. :)
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'winning the war" has allways been pointless... it is no more or less so now than before.
A lot of us like the smaller maps and with any reset of maps other than on an equal length of time.. the small maps will not get played much.
12 hours work? who in their right mind plays for 12 hours straight with the goal of reseting the map and winning that hawiian vacation? Making you and your whole goofy squad quit would be for your health... get some sun.
Here is how resets work... the country with the most numbers wins... there... I've let the cat out of the bag.. See... all that "work" you do? It all depends on numbers... if your country has the numbers they have the excess players to steamroller fields... the steamrollers are made up of strat weinies, timid newbies and opportunists that are afraid to fight on anything like even terms.
There may be a good fight here or there but the steamroller players will percieve that it needs their special help and screw the fight all up followed by a daisy chain round of back slapping "atta boys".
The game is less fun with the new steamroller element.
lazs
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Well, lazs2.. I suppose the team with the numbers can always ground the excess pilots from flying, surely the in-tower poker games will keep them occupied, and it's obvious that HTC can code out the excess players and teamwork.
The strat system was surely placed to annoy the furballers and shouldn't be used under any circumstances, and the furball island in the DA is just there for looks - don't use that either.
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yeah, Rutilant, the DA is the place to go for furballers. I swear there are 50 people in there every night for the glorious furball!
oh yeah... killshooter being off and free everything makes for a good furball.
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the solutions are all pretty simple and will eventually happen.. if they don't, the vets will leave in boredom and when the slow thinkers eventually figure out that they are on some hamster wheel of building battling they will wander off with a whimper too. sadly... they won't even figure out why the game isn't fun anymore.
lazs
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Originally posted by sqwigly
well thats all really interesting but since you guys dont seem to care about the game format much,can some one at least tell me what the point of the game is now?
Umm...to have fun?
What do I win?
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Nifty - No one's gonna go in there if no one does anything to attract attention to it.. Take your squad, tell the MA, "Hey, my squad is goin to the DA for a furball, anyone wanna join us?"
If you (the furballers) are so desperate for a strat-free environment then if the opportunity arises, they should jump at it - unless they just like to complain. Want Killshooter on? tell HTC! It takes all of 5 seconds for them to turn it on.
Lazs2 - Just because you don't find it fun doesnt mean it isnt fun to others. The 'building battlers' in the war were absolutely nessacarry (excuse my spelling), and some of us actually do play for the bit of historical accuracy that there is.
You may be disillusioned but it isnt your duty to do the same to the rest of us.
But why bother? You can't change anything, right?
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Originally posted by SixxGunn
Why couldnt they just go back to the old format (Win the war the terrain auto rotates).
But also do a manual terrain reset on Fri like now.
That way you win the war the map rotates, but no map will be up for longer than a week.
That makes perfect sense. Please don't let us be stuck on the Uterus Map for a week when it comes up in the current rotation. I know there have been a lot of complaints about the Trinity map and I know it takes significantly longer to capture and rotate out, but I also believe there has been a great deal of exaggeration as to the average length of time that it takes to win Trinity.
I like Trinity, but I think SixxGunn has offered a good compromise to make sure we don't stay on any map for longer than a week.
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its called the Combat Theater
FLAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(
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Originally posted by lazs2
'winning the war" has allways been pointless...
It's all relative, Lazs. If winning the war is pointless because the map just resets and/or we get a new one right away, then surely getting kills is pointless. The guy you shot just re-ups in a new plane right away.
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of course when all else fails you can just muck about offline or in ur own hth arena...always funny to be taking down cvs with 1 ping from a .303... can change almost anysetting...
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Originally posted by lazs2
the solutions are all pretty simple...
At least your solution is, which is to play Lazs's way or no way.
The reason why the game isn't fun for you is that you let it be that way, not from anyone else's style of play. Stop whining about how others play and maybe you might just have some fun but I doubt you will wish leaves me to believe that your fun is derived by sitting in the corner and pouting.
Ack-Ack
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The whole purpose of AH is the change the map???
I must be stupid in the head. I thought it was to engage real live humans in virtual ww2 aircraft.
Personally, I like the 256 maps best. The increased level of player density make for more action. More fights in the same amount of time. Many times these smaller maps were reset without alot of folks even seeing they were up. HT's change is a good thing.
...and guess what? If I kill a whole bunch of bad guys and then the bad guys reset the map, I still win.
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everyone is saying the goal of the game is to "have fun" like its some frikin revalation.well,thats not the goal.thats the"reason"to play.in fact there is now no goal to the game.so if its all supposed to be about haveing fun,and thats such a great thing,then lets do it to all games.in football,theres no more touch downs,no feild goals,heck no points.just get out there and have fun guys.in soccer,no more goals just kick the ball around and have fun.baseball,no home runs,if you hit it out you gotta do it over.when you get to home theres no point just get in line to go again.sounds fun huh?sounds like practice to me,so whens the big game?
yes it is a big hamster wheel,but so is life.the only thing that makes it worth running is feeling like you accomplished something when its done.for those of you that think just flying around shooting at things is fine for this game,thats fine.most likely you only play a few hours a week so your not really even part of this game.but many who love games like i do,play alot(and still get some sun).and were not happy to see our favorite game turn into a huge furball.i know i know,go to the ca or tods or go here or go there.i dont wanna go anywhere.there was a pefectly good game in the ma and now its gone.thats what this is about.now maybe seeing the map change was a small prize, but at least it resembled a goal.when you came on and saw a different map,everyone asked"who won?"now they dont.thats the difference.
Ive read alot of replies from people who think the game is fine,but all your saying is that the games about fun,and just go shoot people,its fun.but i have yet to see anyone offer a response based on actuall gameplay points?ive stated whats wrong with the game,so tell me why im wrong.but i dont need to hear"its all about fun".from the sound of your replies,id say ive been having more fun with it than most of you.lets hear some real gameplay points?
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Originally posted by sqwigly
everyone is saying the goal of the game is to "have fun" like its some frikin revalation.well,thats not the goal.thats the"reason"to play.in fact there is now no goal to the game.so if its all supposed to be about haveing fun,and thats such a great thing,then lets do it to all games.in football,theres no more touch downs,no feild goals,heck no points.just get out there and have fun guys.in soccer,no more goals just kick the ball around and have fun.baseball,no home runs,if you hit it out you gotta do it over.when you get to home theres no point just get in line to go again.sounds fun huh?sounds like practice to me,so whens the big game?
yes it is a big hamster wheel,but so is life.the only thing that makes it worth running is feeling like you accomplished something when its done.for those of you that think just flying around shooting at things is fine for this game,thats fine.most likely you only play a few hours a week so your not really even part of this game.but many who love games like i do,play alot(and still get some sun).and were not happy to see our favorite game turn into a huge furball.i know i know,go to the ca or tods or go here or go there.i dont wanna go anywhere.there was a pefectly good game in the ma and now its gone.thats what this is about.now maybe seeing the map change was a small prize, but at least it resembled a goal.when you came on and saw a different map,everyone asked"who won?"now they dont.thats the difference.
Ive read alot of replies from people who think the game is fine,but all your saying is that the games about fun,and just go shoot people,its fun.but i have yet to see anyone offer a response based on actuall gameplay points?ive stated whats wrong with the game,so tell me why im wrong.but i dont need to hear"its all about fun".from the sound of your replies,id say ive been having more fun with it than most of you.lets hear some real gameplay points?
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So, I guess what you are trying to say is.....****, I can't figure out what it is you are trying to say.
In your mind, is winning:
A. Victorious in A2A combat
B. Blowing up buildings
C. Winning the war
D. Making the map change
I think you are trying to say that for you its D.
If I am correct, and pardon me if I am not, that's kinda silly.
F.
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in my mind winning is getting up there and doing the best damn job you can do doing whatever you do best...even if you get shot down...miss the target...or dont make any real difference in the end you still win because your getting YOUR 15 dollars worth (30 if your canadian...)
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We don't need a map....Just a big blue box to fly in.
Drex
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Good post, Sqwigly.
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beetle... you understood that? Now I am worried.
fyurious get's it.. the only variations possible in the game are the furball and whatever the new strat is. The strat allways get's stale... it takes from one hour to one year but even the most board game, building battler figures it out in a year...
That is why the strat guys are allways clammoring for more... more strat... more things to blow up... their fun is dependant on.... updates. No matter how happy.... they will be unhappy in the near future. They will "quit forever" and become "bored" when the game desighner doesn't figure out a way to keep them constantly ammused. Some never figure it out. And that is fine.
The furballs also stay the same.... which is to say.... they are never the same.. they are different every time you enter one. They are only dependant on the game designer allowing them to occur. Those who participate in them don't get bored and wander off... they just get better... they may play less... but they stay. The action packed furball will allways be the draw for them.
lazs
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squigly... football or whatever have a difference... they don't run 24 hours.
In flight sims like this with A2A combat... some are on for 1 hour a night and some for 12.. the ones on for twelve are in a different game from those on for an hour.. Most realize that any "winning the war" goal is pointless and beyond their control... After all... the country with the largest numbers ALLWAYS wins.
If you think about it... the only reasonable "goal" for such a format is.... To have the best A2SA combat you can have in the time allotted to you. Everything else will simply get you all upset and eventually burn you out.
lazs
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Originally posted by sqwigly
Well every one is starting to find out that youve changed the map rotation format.Now all i hear is "what good is taking a base?"in my opinion youve taken the whole point of the game away.The main arena has become one big furball.This is fine if you play for stats but as most of us know,stats can be faked.So whats the point?.when the map changed every time someone won it,people fought to win.People who hated the map fought to get rid of it and people who liked it fought to hold it,I heard it all the time.Maps should never be reset unless someone wins it,this takes away from the realism of the game.If it takes a month to beat a team then it takes a month,thats war.Now everyone is discuraged and theres talk of quiting. I dont want to quit,i love this game and i think its the best around,i put alot of time into my squad. So please consider that no one likes what youve done and maybe change it back.If nothing else please tell me the logic behind the change?
Theres power in numbers so if you agree that it should be chaged back please post a reply here and let them know.if you dissagree post it and tell me why its a good thing.
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Sqwigly C/O Fate
Sqwigly,
You could not have said it any better or more accurate than you just did. It is very true, every last word. I have spent the last week in either the DA or the CT due to the fact that when I log on, and select the MA, all you see is mass-furballing. Which is fine if that is what a player is interested in doing. But when I hear, "who cares about taking bases, the map will be gone in a week"!!! This makes me want to close my acount to be honest with you HT.
GET RID OF THIS NEW METHOD OF MAP ROTATION PLEASE.
Jeffer
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Originally posted by streetstang
Sqwigly,
You could not have said it any better or more accurate than you just did. It is very true, every last word. I have spent the last week in either the DA or the CT due to the fact that when I log on, and select the MA, all you see is mass-furballing. Which is fine if that is what a player is interested in doing. But when I hear, "who cares about taking bases, the map will be gone in a week"!!! This makes me want to close my acount to be honest with you HT.
GET RID OF THIS NEW METHOD OF MAP ROTATION PLEASE.
Jeffer
Holy crap. You can still blow stuff up. You can still reset the map. You can still suicide into a fuel bunker. You can still be all you can be.
So much hand wringing going on its just plain stupid. All these "I'm gonna quit" posts over not being able to make the map change might just be the most retarded events I have ever witnessed.
...and after taking a quick peek at the offenders stats, I now see why something other than the actual combat part of the game is bothereing them. 228 hours so far this tour. WOW. You need to some other things.
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Lazs, your two posts above are presented as statements of fact, whereas they are really subjective points of view. That's why sqwigly, streetstang and myself do not share them. That's not the same as saying you're wrong, just different. FWIW, my furball days were in WB with the purps - I had to fly early morning, and you were there - I remember you well - c1998.
But I also remember how we were getting pushed back and back by jabo/capture guys. Then, we couldn't take off at all! That's when I got interested in jabo/capture, and other stuff. Furballing had held my interest for all of three months...
I don't seek to deprive you of furballing, but clearly the strat guys/building battlers need their fun too. So the big issue is that if the two cannot exist side by side, why try to effect changes to the MA when the DA has everything you need for furballing?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Lazs, your two posts above are presented as statements of fact, whereas they are really subjective points of view. That's why sqwigly, streetstang and myself do not share them. That's not the same as saying you're wrong, just different. FWIW, my furball days were in WB with the purps - I had to fly early morning, and you were there - I remember you well - c1998.
But I also remember how we were getting pushed back and back by jabo/capture guys. Then, we couldn't take off at all! That's when I got interested in jabo/capture, and other stuff. Furballing had held my interest for all of three months...
I don't seek to deprive you of furballing, but clearly the strat guys/building battlers need their fun too. So the big issue is that if the two cannot exist side by side, why try to effect changes to the MA when the DA has everything you need for furballing?
everything but numbers...whats worse is that a lot of the "turn ap rotation back to normal" people were the ones demanding that it be changed...
now as i fly hth i am constantly playing in a different enviroment...i can furball when i want i can "strat" when i want and it almost always happens on another map...and i get burnout just like everyone else because guess what...the gameplay is almost exactly the same no matter what map...really the only thing that changes it is who your playing with/against not what the ground below you looks like...
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...and after taking a quick peek at the offenders stats, I now see why something other than the actual combat part of the game is bothereing them. 228 hours so far this tour. WOW. You need to some other things. [/B][/QUOTE]
1. what part of the combat within this game did I make mention of, besides the blahse` attitudes that erupted as a result of this new map rotation???
2. the time that I have spent on line would or would not make me credible enough to comment accuratly on this subject???
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Originally posted by streetstang
1. what part of the combat within this game did I make mention of, besides the blahse` attitudes that erupted as a result of this new map rotation???
I wrote a long reply, but I am tired and I stopped caring.
I like the new map rotations. If it causes you mental anguish, then I think I like it even more. Nothing personal. It's just that not being able to make the map change is just such a stupid gripe.
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some of you apperently need help with your reading comprehention(i need help with my spelling)so ill say it real simple for those on the short bus.the problemb is that there is no goal.the problemb is that there is no goal.the problemb is that there is no goal.if you dont care about goals then fine,go play.if your trying to convince me that there never was a goal,then you obviously never got it.
how does the fact that this game runs 24/7 have any berring on the fact that we need a goal?
when you say the game is based on numbers,your right.but that was allways fun.i love holding on to the last base trying to beat overwhelming numbers,it was a challange,it was a goal.i was on last night under these circumstanses and the first thing i heard was "just let them take it".this is the point,no one cares anymore.if you havent noticed a problemb,just be there when the map changes and watch the response when we start at the same dam map on the same side for the 7th time this week.
hey ack ack,last night i shot down someone named akak in his p38 with my spit 5 3 times.was that you?lol
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sqwig - if the P38 pulled up high, then performed an inverted HO, it was probably AKAK. :D
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Originally posted by sqwigly
hey ack ack,last night i shot down someone named akak in his p38 with my spit 5 3 times.was that you?lol
Hey sqwigly I shot down someone named sqwigly 2 times in his Spitfire V with my P-38 last night, was that you?
BTW- it was only twice.
ack-ack
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yes you got me on that fly by while i was engaged
i think it was fate
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Originally posted by sqwigly
yes you got me on that fly by while i was engaged
i think it was fate
LOL...and your kills weren't in a similiar situation?
Ack-Ack
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im a turn fighter,i chase people.b n z not my style
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If you're under the illusion that any of our fights at A43 were 1v1 affairs, it's a false one. When you got me it was when I was engaged with a couple of other Bishops and when I got you it was in the process of clearing a comrade's six.
If you want, next time we're both on at the same time we can have some fun in the DA.
Ack-Ack
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I don't want to stay on any on (or two) maps most of the time. We should have equal time for all maps. If that means a 3 or 4 or 5 or 7 day rotation that is fine with me.
lazs
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Everyone has their idea of the perfect setting and as such no one can aggree. I do enjoy furballs but i also enjoy missions which there arent enough of. PPl are to busy furballin to land and take a base. With the map rotation set to a week I see fewer missions cause ppl tend to say well if we win whats the point the map resets and thats it. Last night i flew missions to strafe dar and bases and flew troops and supplies problem was no one would help take a base cause they would rather fight by themselves or would have 6 ppl to a fighter. One way or another I dont think switching to a week was a good thing it gets dull and the game is now less team work and more of go on ur own and if a buddy is there u may get help.
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The biggest downside to come of all of this is that the players no longer control resets. For a lot of people, this seems to make the game pointless. But, the reality of the situtation is that all of this means precisely what it meant before the rotation thing....nothing . It is all perception. Alter the way you view the game and you will have a lot more fun :).
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>>does anyone know of a good "realistic" online war game?<<
Define "realistic"
:rolleyes:
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>>everyone is saying the goal of the game is to "have fun" like its some frikin revalation.well,thats not the goal.thats the"reason"to play.in fact there is now no goal to the game.so if its all supposed to be about haveing fun,and thats such a great thing,then lets do it to all games.<<
Sqwigly:
Fun is important for me. I like ww2 combat flight sims. It gives me something to do after work, or when I have some free time; which is practically never. I don't fly for 12 hours, I may fly for 2 or 3 hours every couple of days. I enjoy defending or, attacking along with other Rooks and my squadmates. We make the "goals" up as we go along, and the goals change every day; depending who is logged on. But, for me it is fun to participate in an effort or, depending on the day and how I'm feeling, I just wanna go up and get a few kills.
A game is a GAME, and whoever plays will have fun or get some other kind of satisfaction, which they view as a kind of fun.
My oldest son plays basketball. He has grown addicted to it; it is practically all he thinks about. He has fun when he does well at it, and will be bothered when he doesn't do so well. Fun is also when he can dominate his opponents and win. Yes, winning is fun. He doesn't have to play basketball, he can play something else but, he chooses to play basketball while, many of his friends don't play.
If you like AH or ww2 air combat sims in an online environment, I suggest you choose the kind of FUN you want to have with the game, and go after it. Hell man, enjoy yourself.