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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on May 25, 2003, 12:31:22 PM
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I'm in California for a busness outing and go to a Sav-On drugs in Baldwin Park.
The store is new and nice, but parked literally right outside the door is a filthy bum "greeting" every person that leaves the store with : "change for a homeless person?"
This guy is in a chair with a sign 3 feet right in front of the exit....you CANNOT avoid him, yet nobody seems to ask him to get the hell out of there.
I gave him one penny as I left just to see what he would do.....and he got up and threw it in the trash.. LOL!
Filthy bums......I hate them.
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i always give money to bums, thats what jesus and muhammad said to do.
someday i might be a filthy bum.
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Originally posted by john9001
i always give money to bums, thats what jesus and muhammad said to do.
someday i might be a filthy bum.
Jesus said give money to bums? Why don't you go around and look for bums to give money too....since Jesus said.... then at the end of the day Jesus will write you a check for your expenses.
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here's a good test to see wich bums need help and which have just found an easy income (one loacal news crew hired an actor to play the part of a bum at a local off-ramp, he made $27 per hour for 4 hours).
the wife and I don't give cash (ok I did give a buck to the guy with the "I'm not a liar, just saving up for a hooker and a 5th" sign), I'll give them food (usually a piece of fruit) or a stick of gum, maybe a bottle of water.
you can imediatly see who needed the help, most are greatful but you always run into a couple are pissed they didn't get cash.
It's a win win system as I see it. those who really needed some help got it and you get to piss off those who are just too lazy to work.
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A few months back here in Bristol UK a homeless guy got banned from the town centre because he was hassleing people too much.
He was getting shelter off the gov, and the police estimated his yearly income at around £16,000 - £18,000 pounds!!!!! :eek:
In defence of himself he said 'at least I dont steal for drug money'
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Once apon a time,you dressed so fine..
Threw the bums a dime,in your prime..Didn't you?
People call say beware doll,your bound to fall
You thought they were all..Kiddin' you
You used to,laugh about
With everyone that was,hangin' out
Now you don't,talk so loud
Now you don't,feel so proud...
About having to be scrounging for your next meal...
How does it feel Nuke?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Once apon a time,you dressed so fine..
Threw the bums a dime,in your prime..Didn't you?
People call say beware doll,your bound to fall
You thought they were all..Kiddin' you
You used to,laugh about
With everyone that was,hangin' out
Now you don't,talk so loud
Now you don't,feel so proud...
About having to be scrounging for your next meal...
How does it feel Nuke?
I'm not sure what you mean Sirloin. I feel great myself, even in spite of the song.
And If I were homeless, I wouldn't park my aass in a chair in front of a store and beg for money.....I'd be getting money from the government and I would be hussling for a job.
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Give them a can of Soup or loaf of bread. But never money..
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Once apon a time,you dressed so fine..
Threw the bums a dime,in your prime..Didn't you?
People call say beware doll,your bound to fall
You thought they were all..Kiddin' you
You used to,laugh about
With everyone that was,hangin' out
Now you don't,talk so loud
Now you don't,feel so proud...
About having to be scrounging for your next meal...
How does it feel Nuke?
I hate that song. Bob Dylan is overated :p
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one loacal news crew hired an actor to play the part of a bum at a local off-ramp, he made $27 per hour for 4 hours
:eek: $27/hr!? and thats tax free!
I'll help with food. sometimes when I'm at the local surplus store I'll get extra MRE packets and have a few handy to give out when I encounter a homeless person at an offramp or the like. its only a few bucks per, and its a high calorie meal or two for someone who needs it. (I know.. MREs can be considered cruel and unusual)
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They should make being a filthy bum illegal.
MiniD
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Just give them a 6-pack and take out the middle man.
Hooligan
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give em a good hose down...then they wont be filthy
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Originally posted by NUKE
I'm not sure what you mean Sirloin. I feel great myself, even in spite of the song.
And If I were homeless, I wouldn't park my aass in a chair in front of a store and beg for money.....I'd be getting money from the government and I would be hussling for a job.
That verse was for the bum you tossed the penny to..The last line was for you..
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Neat story. You go to California on business and see a homeless person there... then share this with everyone here on the BBS. Where do you live, Nuke?
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Originally posted by Otto
Give them a can of Soup or loaf of bread. But never money..
You often carry cans of soup around with you?
Tronsky
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Bums are the people who would have gotten eaten by Grizzly Bears in the Old West days.
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MORE GRIZZLY BEARS FOR OUR STREETS! WE WANT GRIZZLIES!!!
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Originally posted by Nash
Neat story. You go to California on business and see a homeless person there... then share this with everyone here on the BBS. Where do you live, Nuke?
WTF does it matter where Nuke lives? I went to San Francisco several months ago and they had bums in every doorway and on every street corner and I live in Sacramento-so what's your point? Oh, and Jesus said to give money to the poor, not give money to drug addicted derelects who are the absolute dregs of humanity. They should be scorned and ridiculed, not supported. The fact some of you think these derelects deserve our support, while truly needy people go hungry, shows me just how misguided and out of touch with this issue you really are.
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how are you gonna tell whos needy and who isnt???
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Originally posted by vorticon
how are you gonna tell whos needy and who isnt???
Easy. Drug-alcohol test them. Oh, and any male who's able to beg is able to work. It's the attitude of society that accepts this drug addicted trash on our streets- nay, even supports this drug addicted trash on our streets- and I see these bums as a blight on America. We all make our own decisions in life, and the fact some POS void of morality and conscience has made bad decisions through his life should not affect me. Seriously, fug em.
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Originally posted by Nash
Neat story. You go to California on business and see a homeless person there... then share this with everyone here on the BBS. Where do you live, Nuke?
I live in Arizona, not that it matters. I have seen bums and homeless people before, thats not my point. My point was that he was parked in a chair and with a sign 3 feet straight in front of the only exit at the Sav-On store and he was harrasing every person, even kids that came out. He looked perfectly fit to me.'
The people I feel sorry for are the people I see wandering around town sometimes that are mentally ill and have no one to take care of them and no hope of finding a job.
This guy I saw appeared to just be a lazy peice of trash scamming liquor money from a captive audience at a store. No one wants to be harrased like ..... all they want to do is pick up a few things and go home.
And just in case you care, I have given money to people in need when I didn't have enough for my needs. I gave some homeless person on the freeway on-ramp money when I didn't even have a job and I needed that money.
There was a guy that owned a liquor store in my area, he was about 60 or so. One day I picked up some beer from him and he was applolgizing to me that his cooler was broken and he had only warm beer. I didn't mind.
A few weeks later I come back, and he's got buckets of ice in the place, coolers glass all steamed over and inop. I could tell the guy had no money and this business was all he had to support himself, so I gave him a couple hundred dollars and said just keep it, I want you to have it.
Anyway, a about 2 months later, the place had new owners and they told me the old guy had been dying of cancer and passed away. I still feel like crying sometimes when I think of how lonely and hopless that man's situation was, and he never once complained to anyone or asked for handouts.
I have a big heart for people in true need, but I despise people like the guy I saw at the store.
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Originally posted by Airhead
WTF I live in Sacramento-so what's your .
Airhead I was just in Sacramento a week or two ago. It's beautiful around there....very NICE airport too.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I live in Arizona, not that it matters. I have seen bums and homeless people before, thats not my point. My point was that he was parked in a chair and with a sign 3 feet straight in front of the only exit at the Sav-On store and he was harrasing every person, even kids that came out. He looked perfectly fit to me.'
The people I feel sorry for are the people I see wandering around town sometimes that are mentally ill and have no one to take care of them and no hope of finding a job.
This guy I saw appeared to just be a lazy peice of trash scamming liquor money from a captive audience at a store. No one wants to be harrased like ..... all they want to do is pick up a few things and go home.
And just in case you care, I have given money to people in need when I didn't have enough for my needs. I gave some homeless person on the freeway on-ramp money when I didn't even have a job and I needed that money.
There was a guy that owned a liquor store in my area, he was about 60 or so. One day I picked up some beer from him and he was applolgizing to me that his cooler was broken and he had only warm beer. I didn't mind.
A few weeks later I come back, and he's got buckets of ice in the place, coolers glass all steamed over and inop. I could tell the guy had no money and this business was all he had to support himself, so I gave him a couple hundred dollars and said just keep it, I want you to have it.
Anyway, a about 2 months later, the place had new owners and they told me the old guy had been dying of cancer and passed away. I still feel like crying sometimes when I think of how lonely and hopless that man's situation was, and he never once complained to anyone or asked for handouts.
I have a big heart for people in true need, but I despise people like the guy I saw at the store.
Exactly Nuke, people in true need deserve our support. People indulging themselves with drug or alcohol addictions deserve our derision. The fact you can show compassion and still believe in personal responsibility is lost on many here... for your sensibility and compassion.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Airhead I was just in Sacramento a week or two ago. It's beautiful around there....very NICE airport too.
Yeah, it's nice and green right now because of all the rain we had. I was on Folsom Lake today and it looks like a park on the shore. Too bad it'll all be dead weeds in about a week. Now next time you're in Sac let me know and we'll go to Laz's place and play with his cars.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Yeah, it's nice and green right now because of all the rain we had. I was on Folsom Lake today and it looks like a park on the shore. Too bad it'll all be dead weeds in about a week. Now next time you're in Sac let me know and we'll go to Laz's place and play with his cars.
Hey, that would be cool to meet you and Laz! I will let you know......I've been going to the area more and more frequently.
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Sacramento. Beautiful??? What state was this Sacramento in?
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
Sacramento. Beautiful??? What state was this Sacramento in?
SOB
Hey, it looks nicer now than it ever has- in fact it reminds me of Oregon only it's warmer.
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Now you're just being mean...leave Oregon alone!
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Make them compete against each other in fist fights for $200
Extra bonus points for the bums who dare do insane, bone breaking stunts.
Take visual footage of this, and sell sell these DVDs online, were millions of people like SOB will download and buy them. The USA economy benefits from this exchange.
Win-win situation.
Damn, my avatar is right!!!
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Filthy Bum Gladiator Arenas how cool!
"Puuh, we who are about to die salute you !" and then they beat each other with sticks.
Animal you truly are a genius
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(http://www.alienvisuals.com/daedalus/Tard.jpg)
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In PR where there's a traffic stop you'll see a bum,every so often you see the regulars asking for money,not so much in the capital city they have suddenly dissapeared.
Essentially they get paid for bumming much more than doing a decent job, some might do it for drugs or do it genuinely because they have had some sort of tragedy ,there is no questioning it, but for some I have seen in different key places where there are malls or other convienient places where they could ask for money tax free,and where most likely people that would have money gather .
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Originally posted by Airhead
WTF does it matter where Nuke lives? blah blah blah bums in every street corner blah blah blah what's your point? blah blah blah drug addicted derelects who are the absolute dregs of humanity blah blah blah scorned and ridiculed blah blah blah misguided and out of touch with this issue you really are.
Lol whoah Airhead... There was nothing all that shocking about Nuke's run-in with this homeless dude... basically just that he saw one...
So... I guess since part of the story involved the fact that this happened while he was in California on business, I was wondering if like maybe there are no bums where he's from. Not much more to it than that...
As for the rest of it, I tried just now to muster some level of how-appalling-oh-the-humanity type indignation... to become more, you know, emotionally invested in this tale of society gone awry, and.... nothing. I'm just not feeling it.
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As for the rest of it, I tried just now to muster some level of how-appalling-oh-the-humanity type indignation... to become more, you know, emotionally invested in this tale of society gone awry, and.... nothing. I'm just not feeling it.
Your reading more into it than was itended, and by the way I am originally from California , was born there, and have lots of family there........so it wasn't meant to be a shocking take about California or society as a whole. I was a little observation about one stinking bum, that's all.
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I see 'em on every other corner in Dallas every day. Occasionally I'll give one of 'em a buck. I'm not responsible for how they spend it or knowing how they came to be in need. Cost me very little to help make someone's life a bit easier.
Most times though, I just ignore 'em and the occasional buck eases my conscience.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I see 'em on every other corner in Dallas every day. Occasionally I'll give one of 'em a buck. I'm not responsible for how they spend it or knowing how they came to be in need. Cost me very little to help make someone's life a bit easier.
Most times though, I just ignore 'em and the occasional buck eases my conscience.
I'd rather see you give that buck to a senior center or a battered women's shelter than give it to someone who'll spend that dollar on drugs. All you do is contribute to the problem while ignoring the truly needy and worthy programs out there that actually try to make a difference.
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I usually give a buck, what they do with it is between them and God.
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Originally posted by RightF00T
I usually give a buck, what they do with it is between them and God.
What about Satan? he always gets left out
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I work for my money, I wouldn't give a penny to a bum if I had more money than Bill Gates. I don't care if some loser had a personal tragedy in his life.. blah blah blah. We have all had problems to get over and most of us didn't resort to panhandling.
Bums are lazy losers who haven't the pride to get a legitimate job. I would be fine with a death penalty for panhandling. A bum made the mistake of grabbing my arm once as I let Bank One Ballpark after a night game. I wonder if he has regained conciousness yet.
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What about Satan? he always gets left out
No, not when said bum and ol' Lucipher get to spend an eternity together.
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BEAR TAX i dont pay the bear tax i pay the homer tax!
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Originally posted by Steve
I work for my money, I wouldn't give a penny to a bum if I had more money than Bill Gates. I don't care if some loser had a personal tragedy in his life.. blah blah blah. We have all had problems to get over and most of us didn't resort to panhandling.
Bums are lazy losers who haven't the pride to get a legitimate job. I would be fine with a death penalty for panhandling. A bum made the mistake of grabbing my arm once as I let Bank One Ballpark after a night game. I wonder if he has regained conciousness yet.
Steve the bum basher...
Back when I was a cop, I once knew a bum who was nicknamed "Chicken George". Still have no idea where that nickname came from.
Anyway, Chicken George lost his entire family when a powerline fell on his mobile home and set it on fire. He won a 2 million dollar settlement against the power company, but eventually lost his mind and started living on the street. I guess he just didn't give a crap about life anymore. Although he had millions in the bank, he would go and withdraw 75 cents at a time to buy a soda. Chicken George never begged for money. He would just bother people by engaging them in conversations, and talking nonsense.
He walked around with a shopping cart full of miscellaneous crap, and an antenna attached to it with about 20 little American flags waving from it. He also had a one dollar bill glued to the top of each of his shoes for some reason. I'd always stop and say hi to Chicken George whenever I saw him to see what crazy crap he'd say to me. It was always WAY out there, but he was always smiling.
Anyway, one day someone took exception to Chicken George for one reason or another. They took a speaker he had in his shopping cart and bashed his head in with it. When I arrived on the scene, I saw Chicken George laying dead on the sidewalk with a pool of blood about 20 feet long running down the hill from his head.
I've seen probably a hundred dead people during my career. Traffic accidents, murders, suicides, drive by shootings, you name it. None of them really bothered me too much except for children. You just learn to deal with it I guess.
But seeing Chicken George dead on the sidewalk made me really sad for some reason. Kind of the same way I felt when I'd see dead children. He just seemed innocent I guess... Who knows.
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Wow Grim... the juxtaposition of what you wrote, then reading Steve's quote above it... Somethin' else. Uhm... I guess I'll let it speak for itself like you did.
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Not my job to judge why someone won't or can't earn their own living, so long as I'm not forced to pay their way. Of course we all do pay for many of those that can't or won't anyhow through taxes.
I do resent being forced to give them money but if I want to give a bum a buck it's nobody else's business. At least when I give 'em a buck on the street corner I see a little appreciation.
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Washington DC's streets are littered with homeless people... or "dirty filthy bums"... so to me I am use to 'em begging for money or just holding out signs and singing songs about needing money so they can buy a forty, they're pretty much part of the landscape in DC... cities just wouldn't be cities without homeless people.
I'll give 'em spare change, food, or whatever I can... and don't deride my bellybutton for giving them a helping hand... its easy to sit back in the comfort of your own money/house/job/steady meals and criticize these people calling 'em drug ridden addicts or lazy sons of squeakes or whatever... ever stopped and realized that its our own damn fault a lot of these people are out on the streets?
Atleast in DC this is the case, seems its easier to put the mentally unstable out on the streets where they have to beg and live an extremely toejamty life rather than pay the taxes to keep them in mental hospitals- most of which are sitting there vacant now because big brother shut 'em down.
Its very difficult to tell the difference between a smack addict and someone who is mental, neither are in the "normal" state of mind and therefore seperating the nuts from the addicts is impossible.
What goes around comes around and when it comes back, its gonna knock you flat on your ass.
-SW
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Originally posted by Airhead
WTF does it matter where Nuke lives? I went to San Francisco several months ago and they had bums in every doorway and on every street corner and I live in Sacramento-so what's your point? Oh, and Jesus said to give money to the poor, not give money to drug addicted derelects who are the absolute dregs of humanity
I think you'll find that Jesus was talking about the very dregs of humanity, the unclean, the prostitutes, the lepers.
Jesus was all about humility. And not just humility before god, but before your fellow man.
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Nash, one has nothing to do with the other.
A: Chicken George didn't accost anyone with deadly force and thus receive like force in return. Chicken George was murdered.
B: The bum that I was involved with was guilty of assaulting me, and I was legally entitled to defend myself. I suppose I could have stopped and asked him if he would release his grip on my arm. What if he had a knife in his other hand? A gun?
I was with my wife. When I am assaulted like that, I do not have to ask questions. Law enforcement on the scene fully agreed that I was within my legal right to take the action I did.
By the way, a search of his person revealed a long, folding knife and although he didn't have it out at the time...you never know.
For either of you to draw comparisons between my incident and the illegal use of deadly force used on George is assinine, especially from a former member of law enforcement, shame on you for that.
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Agreed Steve, he could have had James West spring loaded knives in his boot toes too.
You sound not only brave, but tougher than hell too. When some bum grabs my arm, I flip out and knock them out too. Pulling my arm away from a frail homeless person and walking away laughing at them never solves anything. They don't have jobs and junk, so because we can't electrocute them, us beating them up is cool.
I do the same exact thing when large college kids bump into me in a bar. They could have a knife at home so I just go right for them, and try and kick their football pansy jersey wearing asses. You too, huh?
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Bumping into someone in a bar is far different than having someone grab your arm and try to turn you around.
And Creamo, who the f*** said the guy was frail?
You can try to twist other's word around in here, but I won't stand for you trying to twist mine.
I have a feeling if a large college kid bumped into you in a bar, you'd run screaming, whether it was an accident or not.
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lol, start slapping your ears and crap your pants at a bowling alley, your so mad you might make the TardBlog website.
Twwwwweak!
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Ah maybe he was one of those health conscious - nay steriod freak bums who are anything but frail... and the particular grip with which this bum afixed himself to Steve's arm indicated a strength that could only be characterized as "deadly force"... so thank GOD Steve posessed the finess and fighting prowess to thwart this attacker! Remarkably, the only wound Steve received in this life and death struggle was a bruised hand when his fist smashed into a hardcover copy of 'Joe Weider's Ultimate Bodybuilding' the bum carried in his coat pocket.
Let that be a lesson to all of us in this sick, cruel world. When you feel a hand on your arm, you would be wise to think to yourself "What if he had a knife in his other hand? A gun?" and proceed to take immediate action. You just never know.
The only thing I want to know at this point Steve, is: Did you take off your shirt? Were you sweating?
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Actually, I never punched the guy, I turned and gave him a good shove and he fell, his head striking the curb. So I was left unscathed by the bodybuilding mag.. thanks for your concern
I never mentioned the bloke used deadly force, thus I didn't.
More silly twittery from the lunatic left.
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You guys laugh, but I got scratched by a hobo once and my wife wouldn't have sex with me- oral, unprotected or otherwise- for over a year. That'll piss you off, although she was smiling.
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Airhead, you've been had!
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I never mentioned the bloke used deadly force, thus I didn't.
Oh?
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"Nash, one has nothing to do with the other. [meaning Chicken George vs the bum you knocked unconscious]
A: Chicken George didn't accost anyone with deadly force and thus receive like force in return." [as opposed to your bum, who did]
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Look, you had to protect yourself, I understand... I wouldn't have had the courage to do likewise, so I salute you sir. You're one bad mofo.
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Man, you sooo kicked that bum's arse! Now on to the grandmas!
SOB
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WRONG Nash.. let me spell it out for you ok?
"Chicken George didn't accost anyone with deadly force and thus receive like force in return."
In other words, Chicken George didn't get bashed over the head because he was using deadly force.
In my case, I used a similar amount of force to defend myself.
Chicken George wasn't assaulting anyone, from what I read, with any force...thus he was murdered.
Are we on the same page now, Nash? I want to be because I enjoy repartee with you.
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Gee SOB your sooo right. I should have let the bum do whatever he wanted to do to me because he was homeless. Yes, I should heve let him take my wallet and kick my head in if he wanted because he is an unfortunate homeless person. How wrong I was!!!
Gosh, if that ever happens again, I'll be sure to just prostrate myself on the ground with my legs spread( the easier for him to kick me in the balls or maybe bugger me).
Thanks for the very intelligent comments, SOB!
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Originally posted by Steve
I work for my money, I wouldn't give a penny to a bum if I had more money than Bill Gates. I don't care if some loser had a personal tragedy in his life.. blah blah blah. We have all had problems to get over and most of us didn't resort to panhandling.
Bums are lazy losers who haven't the pride to get a legitimate job. I would be fine with a death penalty for panhandling. A bum made the mistake of grabbing my arm once as I let Bank One Ballpark after a night game. I wonder if he has regained conciousness yet.
LOL, you're right. I see now that my comments were immature and stupid.
SOB
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A friend of mine was out of town at a convention, had a little too much to drink and walked to his hotel. On the way a filthy bum asked him for money, then attacked him.
My friend is pretty tough, but the bum wrestled with him and bit him, drawing blood.
He had to undergo hepatitus treatments for weeks and was very worried that he could have hepatitus or aids.
Just because they are filthy, grungy bums, don't assume they can't or wont do you harm.
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Well, this went from fun to goofing on Steve to being embarrassed for him quick, wow.
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Read my above post, then re-evaluate how you should react when anyone, including a filthy bum, grabs your arm.
You want to risk getting assaulted, getting scratched or bitten even? You want to risk aids or hepatitus?
Try grabbing someone's arm you don't know and ask them for money and see what happens to you.
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We need to get Ripsnort into this thread pronto so that he and Steve can exchange heroic tales of vigilante bumfighting justice.
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Ooh, stories about bums with guns...those bastards prolly had tattered U.S. Flags too! :p
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
We need to get Ripsnort into this thread pronto so that he and Steve can exchange heroic tales of vigilante bumfighting justice.
In your lefty wonderland, defending yourself is considered vigilante justice?
You would rather risk getting a fatal desease from a bum by trusting that he wont try to bite you or assault you?
You do know that a lot of these people are crazy right? You can't predict what they intend. If someone grabs me, especially a filthy bum, I'm knocking them away as fast as I can.
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Originally posted by Steve
Nash, one has nothing to do with the other.
A: Chicken George didn't accost anyone with deadly force and thus receive like force in return. Chicken George was murdered.
Since when is someone grabbing your arm and turning you around "deadly force". I suppose he might have ripped your arm off and beat you to death with it... Anything's possible...
Shame on me? Next thing you'll be telling me is that I'm afraid of college kids too...
Defending yourself is one thing. If the guy punched you in the face, by all means knock his block off... I would do the same thing. But I certainly wouldn't knock somebody out if they grabbed my arm. I wasn't there Steve, so I'll leave it at that.
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Grim... let me spell it out for you too ok?
"Chicken George didn't accost anyone with deadly force and thus receive like force in return."
In other words, Chicken George didn't get bashed over the head because he was using deadly force. He was bashed over the head for no good reason.
I had lawful right to defend myself, whereas the person attacking George was a murderer. Sorry if I was unclear.
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Also Grim: "Actually, I never punched the guy, I turned and gave him a good shove and he fell, his head striking the curb."
A person forcefully grabs your arm from behind Grim, what do you do?
All you people who are criticzing my actions.... are you sayin in that split second after someone grabs your arm in a threatening manner that you would stop to have a conversation with the attacker? So, you turn around and determine that it is a homeless person.. and you say," Ohhh, ok... go ahead and attack me, since you're homeless it wouldn't be fair for me to defend myself."
Are you serious?
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You should have shot the bastard.
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I have quite a few stories about altercations I've had with crazy homeless people... One was around midnight, I was drunk as hell, and a crazy bum twice my size with f*cking pom poms tucked into his f*cking socks and a "Girl Power" shirt stretched beyond the ripping point yelling at me while I'm taking a piss threatening me with all kinds of nonsense because I couldn't give him a quarter to get a newspaper!!!!
Nevertheless, we both ended up going our seperate ways without any injuries and he didn't get anything from me... just gotta know how to handle yourself around people.
Someone grabbing your arm doesn't make him an attacker, it gives you a reason to turn around and confront him- and I'm not talking about a nice calm conversation... I'm not talking about being the assaulter in the interaction either, which you were Steve.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I have quite a few stories about altercations I've had with crazy homeless people... One was around midnight, I was drunk as hell, and a crazy bum twice my size with f*cking pom poms tucked into his f*cking socks and a "Girl Power" shirt stretched beyond the ripping point yelling at me while I'm taking a piss threatening me with all kinds of nonsense because I couldn't give him a quarter to get a newspaper!!!!
This reminds me of the time I was wearing my "girl power" T-Shirt and I saw this little dude half my size pissing in a newspaper rack. I told him papers were a quarter and if he pissed in the newspaper rack he had to pay a quarter but he was too drunk to understand. Finally I gave up, pulled the pom-poms out of my socks and danced on down the road. I should have stuffed his drunk bellybutton in the newspaper rack.
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You're completely wrong. If someone grabs your arm in what you determine is a forceful manner, that person is committing assault and you have a right to defend yourself, with force. After police took witnessess statements(they too felt the guy was jumping me), they asked me if I wanted to file charges.
Sorry -SW but your grasp of the law is completely wrong.. at least in this example.
Geez airhead... you farging crack me up dude... lol.
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Ah- you really should stop eating dog toejam then Airhead, the smell coming out of your mouth was absolutely unbearable and those little yellow chiclets you have for teeth are in desperate need of a good brushing.
:)
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LOL SW!!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Ah- you really should stop eating dog toejam then Airhead, the smell coming out of your mouth was absolutely unbearable and those little yellow chiclets you have for teeth are in desperate need of a good brushing.
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LOL I thought you were too drunk to remember :)
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Its quite possible I'm wrong Steve, I wasn't there... Under certain circumstances, I can see how a grab to the arm and a strong jerk could be construed as about to be shanked.
From the description I get here, which is open to interpretation, I wouldn't of taken it as deadly force. IMO of course.
-SW
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Originally posted by Airhead
This reminds me of the time I was wearing my "girl power" T-Shirt and I saw this little dude half my size pissing in a newspaper rack. I told him papers were a quarter and if he pissed in the newspaper rack he had to pay a quarter but he was too drunk to understand. Finally I gave up, pulled the pom-poms out of my socks and danced on down the road. I should have stuffed his drunk bellybutton in the newspaper rack.
This reminds me of the time I was drunk parked in my car with my pants off, watching some huge guy with pom poms have his way with a bum pissing on a newspaper rack.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Its quite possible I'm wrong Steve, I wasn't there... Under certain circumstances, I can see how a grab to the arm and a strong jerk could be construed as about to be shanked.
From the description I get here, which is open to interpretation, I wouldn't of taken it as deadly force. IMO of course.
-SW
Actually I believe that any time someone touches your person without consent, it's considered assault.
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-SW I NEVER said the guy was using deadly force. I said Chicken guy WASN'T using deadly force, and therefore the guy that killed him had no legitimate reason to do so.
All I did was turn and shove the guy as hard as I could, to get him off/away from my wife and me... no deadly force used by either party.. again.. I'm sorry if my post about deadly force was unclear.
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Learn something new everyday- had no idea physical contact can be assault.
Steve- Sorry, I interperated one of your statements wrong.. "Chicken George didn't accost anyone with deadly force and thus receive like force in return. Chicken George was murdered." reads like you are saying that George didn't use deadly force, while the bum that assaulted you did because of the comparison you made. I just misread/associated it, my fault.
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Well, I must have been unclear because grim read it the same way you did, so no apology necessary. :)
As for the assault thing... yes, just about any physical contact can comprise assault. I don't know the exact text of the statute here in Arizona but I'd imagine one would later have to establish that their was at least a perceived threat. For instance, merely spitting on someone here in Arizona is a misdemeanor assault. In my case, my actions were entirely reactionary but people on hand who saw the guy step up behind me felt that he had bad intent. Also, imagine you're on foot, at night in downtown Phoenix with your wife/family... you'd probably be more likely to react the way I did as opposed to turning around to chat.
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Also, imagine you're on foot, at night in downtown Phoenix with your wife/family... you'd probably be more likely to react the way I did as opposed to turning around to chat.
No no no... lets get this Wobble proper.
Your on foot (love that btw), with your family, holding a apple pie, going to Walmart to buy a American Flag for your porch, because you have had it up before the neighbors and the terrorist attacks, and it's dang near worn out from flying it so often as a kung-fu fighting American.
Then a bum, not frail at all, pry a weight lifter strung out on steroids, stricken with warts, aids, and hepatitis C, attacks your family out of the blue, because he has a keen sense of who wants him electrocuted for being homeless.
He grabs your arm, while thinking about reaching for a LONG bladed folding knife, and you tear off your shirt all sweaty and quickly consult your vast knowledge of Arizona assault laws, somewhat confused. Unfortunately for him, being reactionary is not taught in schools, or Yale, and the superior manly bum fighting genes kick in and you knock him unconscious. Saving not only your wife, who is on foot (the horse was sick?) but losing his felon grip on your arm, and getting statements from the crowd who agree he had ‘bad intent’.
You left out what kind of car you drive. A 120mph pickup would be sweet.
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Just when it started to take a header....
Oh man.... there aughta be trophies for this brand of artistry. Way too funny. :D
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LOL...that is just beautiful! :D
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Creamo, I cannot change what happened. I like the creativity of your version, though. Sadly, even if I could change it, I'd disappoint you.
I don't know Kung-fu.
I love apple pie, but my house doesn't have a front porch really, although I sometimes shop at Wal-Mart.
My pick-up truck has a govenor on it that prevents it from going over 95.
We were on foot not because our horse was sick, but because we were walking to our 95 MPH pickup truck after watching a baseball game. I think the horse is OK.
I wasn't sweaty, it was a rather cool night... as far as i can remember.
Having my degree in Law Enforcement(CJ), I do know a bit about assault laws.. plus there are several cops on the hockey team I skate on, but like I said, I do not know the statute by rote.
I didn't get statements from anyone, the police spoke with a couple of folks though.
Your version is much more sexy and dramatic. Would you mind if I consult you in the future about my life experiences before I relate them? You tell them so much better than I. Thanks much for your input, it was really constructive.
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Having my degree in Law Enforcement(CJ), I do know a bit about assault laws.. plus there are several cops on the hockey team I skate on, but like I said, I do not know the statute by rote.
Nash, roll the "OhS%$^7 2 film please!
Pass the Windex, I'm not kidding...lol, best laugh thread EVER.
Oh gads, and on blender drinks too... ty steve. Seriously.
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Well, I guess in the end the BBS is for our enjoyment/entertainment..I'm glad to fulfill this for you.
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Great entertainment, sorta wimpy American Psycho rerun.
All the humilliation! Low on blood and guts!
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Originally posted by Steve
I don't care if some loser had a personal tragedy in his life.. blah blah blah. We have all had problems to get over and most of us didn't resort to panhandling.
Bums are lazy losers who haven't the pride to get a legitimate job. I would be fine with a death penalty for panhandling.
First of all I have to clear one thing up... Assault is verbally threatening someone. Battery is the act of touching someone against their will.
Steve, you weren't assaulted, you were battered by the filthy bum... Also, my apologies for misunderstanding the "deadly force" thing you wrote.
The point of the whole Chicken George thing wasn't so much about his being murdered and trying to make a comparison to you knocking out a filthy bum. I was thinking more along the lines of your statement quoted above when I wrote it.
Not all bums are losers too lazy to get a job. True, a good majority of them are... But some of them (like Chicken George) have been through things in their life that you couldn't even possibly imagine, let alone say you could cope with and get on with life normally afterwards. We all have a breaking point, and some people have been through enough to reach it.
I was merely relating an experience to you that made me think twice about passing judgement on the homeless. I don't like most of them either. But I'll be damned if I'm going to assume it could never happen to me no matter what, and then go as far as to say I'd give them the death penalty on top of it. Essentially, Chicken George got the death penalty for being a bum, even though it wasn't carried out by the State.
I'm far from the type of person who walks around hugging trees while wearing rose colored glasses, thinking all people are wonderful. But experiences like Chicken George have made me think twice about passing judgement on all bums, that's all.
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everyone always tells em to get a job...its a little hard when you have no fixed address smelll like **** and wear the same clothes without washing day in day out...
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Heh, this thread is great. Bravo, Creamo!
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Originally posted by Creamo
Also, imagine you're on foot, at night in downtown Phoenix with your wife/family... you'd probably be more likely to react the way I did as opposed to turning around to chat.
No no no... lets get this Wobble proper.
Your on foot (love that btw), with your family, holding a apple pie, going to Walmart to buy a American Flag for your porch, because you have had it up before the neighbors and the terrorist attacks, and it's dang near worn out from flying it so often as a kung-fu fighting American.
Then a bum, not frail at all, pry a weight lifter strung out on steroids, stricken with warts, aids, and hepatitis C, attacks your family out of the blue, because he has a keen sense of who wants him electrocuted for being homeless.
He grabs your arm, while thinking about reaching for a LONG bladed folding knife, and you tear off your shirt all sweaty and quickly consult your vast knowledge of Arizona assault laws, somewhat confused. Unfortunately for him, being reactionary is not taught in schools, or Yale, and the superior manly bum fighting genes kick in and you knock him unconscious. Saving not only your wife, who is on foot (the horse was sick?) but losing his felon grip on your arm, and getting statements from the crowd who agree he had ‘bad intent’.
You left out what kind of car you drive. A 120mph pickup would be sweet.
That would be a great Law and Order episode.
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Creamo...I think you are confusing a certain Northwestern-state dwelling, aircraft manufacturing employee with a certain shirtless, sweatly, 4x4 driving, pepper spray can shooting Texan in your above story.
Geesh....this BBS really needs TheWobble back.
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Originally posted by GrimCO
Not all bums are losers too lazy to get a job. True, a good majority of them are...
A good majority of them are mentally ill people,who end up on the street after getting turned down treatment from mental institutions.
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Originally posted by Steve
Having my degree in Law Enforcement(CJ), I do know a bit about assault laws.. plus there are several cops on the hockey team I skate on
Steve,be sure to tell your hockey playing cop friends that if you ever become critically injured and declared brain dead..That under NO circumstances should you be placed in the ROBO-COP program...You were obviously severely traumatised by a street bum and you might have flashbacks and malfunction in the line of duty.
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I havent laughed like that in awhile. Good bless humor at the expense of others. :D
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Originally posted by sling322
Creamo...I think you are confusing a certain Northwestern-state dwelling aircraft manufacturing employee with a certain shirtless, sweatly, 4x4 driving, pepper spray can shooting Texan in your above story.
That's one of the things that made it so inspiring! Somehow, Creamo managed to take three unique characters with three disparate stories and carefully weave them into a single breathtaking portrait of heroism; completing in its wake a veritable trifecta of hoopty-stick macho vigilantism - Aces High BBS style. A remarkable and stunning piece of literature.
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Wish I had a buck for every laugh I've gotten out of these bbs. Man I'll miss my Internet when I move.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Also, imagine you're on foot, at night in downtown Phoenix with your wife/family... you'd probably be more likely to react the way I did as opposed to turning around to chat.
No no no... lets get this Wobble proper.
Your on foot (love that btw), with your family, holding a apple pie, going to Walmart to buy a American Flag for your porch, because you have had it up before the neighbors and the terrorist attacks, and it's dang near worn out from flying it so often as a kung-fu fighting American.
Then a bum, not frail at all, pry a weight lifter strung out on steroids, stricken with warts, aids, and hepatitis C, attacks your family out of the blue, because he has a keen sense of who wants him electrocuted for being homeless.
He grabs your arm, while thinking about reaching for a LONG bladed folding knife, and you tear off your shirt all sweaty and quickly consult your vast knowledge of Arizona assault laws, somewhat confused. Unfortunately for him, being reactionary is not taught in schools, or Yale, and the superior manly bum fighting genes kick in and you knock him unconscious. Saving not only your wife, who is on foot (the horse was sick?) but losing his felon grip on your arm, and getting statements from the crowd who agree he had ‘bad intent’.
You left out what kind of car you drive. A 120mph pickup would be sweet.
I must quote (yet again) the best post ever.
MiniD
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Airhead... no internet? Ugh.. you moving to a third world country??
The sticks?
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The North shore of something...I think it is Canada. He really loves Canada.
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I'm moving to Mendocino County, located on the North Coast of California in the heart of the Redwood Empire. Where I'll most likely be the only phone service I'll have is my cell phone and they're a few years away from cable television. I'll have Internet access at work (good news) but I won't have access to the computer at work (bad news).
We had one escrow that fell through, but with luck our place should sell in the next couple of weeks. Once we enter escrow I'll be up there during the week working and home on weekends. I lost a major account here in Sacramento and my daughter is off to college in the Fall so there's really no reason to stay here any longer.
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Grim, of course you're right about not all bums are lazy losers but I have no idea how to discern one group from the other. So it's hard to have compassion for the truly unfortunate... you know.. how do you tell?
as for my death penalty text .. well it sort of served a dual purpose. I was happy to see left wing whackos like Sirloin, SOB and Creamo rise to the chum.
Really though, it's metaphorical. What I mean is.. panhandlers are a blight, but what to do with them is a conundrum. You can't fine them for panhandling, they have no attachable assets. Imprisoning them means they get 3 hots and a cot.. not really punishment, considering their existence. I'd like to see some suitable punishment for panhandling that would serve as an effective deterrent. Maybe have them sit in a room for a few hours w/ Creamo and Sirloin.. I know that would drive me to the brink.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I'm moving to Mendocino County, located on the North Coast of California in the heart of the Redwood Empire. Where I'll most likely be the only phone service I'll have is my cell phone and they're a few years away from cable television. I'll have Internet access at work (good news) but I won't have access to the computer at work (bad news).
We had one escrow that fell through, but with luck our place should sell in the next couple of weeks. Once we enter escrow I'll be up there during the week working and home on weekends. I lost a major account here in Sacramento and my daughter is off to college in the Fall so there's really no reason to stay here any longer.
Beautiful country up there Airhead, I envy you.
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Do you believe these bums get $359 a month. When the local San Fran. Legislature tried to use the money for shelters and food and give them $59 a month the sued the city.
Can’t buy alcohol and drugs with food and shelter.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Beautiful country up there Airhead, I envy you.
MT, my parents have a salmon spawning stream bordering their land and in the Fall the salmon are thick enough to walk across the stream on. A few months ago I counted a flock of 51 wild turkeys and bears have visited their back porch to raid the dog food.
The redwoods filter the sunlight so the ground is always damp, mossy and fern covered. There's an old logging road that runs out to the Coast and it's the most wild and breathtakingly beautiful coastline in the world. The abalone are plentiful and when you dive as often as not you're accompanied by curious sea lions.
I decided to move back when I was driving through the Avenue of the Giants at 7 am with a cup of coffee and Little Feat came on the stereo with their live version of "This Land Is Your Land." The sheer beauty of the time and the moment made me wonder how my priorties have gotten so screwed up. In comparison my life now is going through the motions and I need to feel alive again. It should be fun.
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ahhh.. old stomping grounds for me...
what I can remember of them anyway :)
seriously.. awesome country (except for too many people)
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Originally posted by Steve
as for my death penalty text .. well it sort of served a dual purpose. I was happy to see left wing whackos like Sirloin, SOB and Creamo rise to the chum.
Man, the funniest part is that you still don't get it. Keep up the good work macho man! :D
SOB
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Just what exactly is a left wing whacko?
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LOL! Did he say "rise to the chum" after trying to "debunk" creamo's post? LOL!
He really is the wobble.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Creamo
Just what exactly is a left wing whacko?
The left wing wacko is the part that fits under the left wing of an airplane that you attatch drop tanks or weapons to. Conversely the right wing wacko fits under the right wing of the airplane. Sheeesh, Creamo, you work on airplanes. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
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Chicken George...
Just on a bit of a side note, in case you were wondering… the name Chicken George was a character in Arther Hailey’s epic novel “Roots”…. :D
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How did I try to debunk anything? I found Creamo's post to be genuinely amusing.
and you're right, I don't know what the wobble is so I don't get it.
But you guys fail to understand, I don't particularly care.
If you think that I've missed the sarcastic insults that the posts contain, you're mistaken however.
I was relating a story about a homeless guy. I was kinda hoping for a little tete-e-tete about my death penalty comment, I enjoy exchanging views. Of course, when folks came in here and started insulting me, I wasn't really surprised... it's their/your MO.
I'm willing to play along to a point as, like I said, I really enjoyed Creamo's post. It really was well written so I was hoping to keep it going, even if the humor was directed at me in a derisive manner. I mean, if it's well done, I can enjoy it too.
Sirloin's comment about Law and Order was a great, quick hitter.
You, however, SOB, bring nothing of value to the conversation. I mean, you spout some insults and join the bandwagon, but you offer nothing of substance. If you have any self control, you should stop posting in this thread, since your pretty much just a parasite here. Maybe Creamo could give you some ideas... his castoffs maybe.
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You're sooo right Steve, I'm humbled. Nothing but a Creamo groupie...and an unimaginative one at that. I can only hope I haven't offended you enough to rate a beating. Please forgive me!
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
I can only hope I haven't offended you enough to rate a beating. Please forgive me!
SOB
Just don't grab his arm in a threatening manner.
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I don't know what to say steve. I just read a post with several modified explanations and jumped to wobble conclusions.
I offer my sincere apology to you and anyone you might rightfully render unconscious this week.
And that stuff about Creamo's post being great... I didn't really mean it. I was just trying to impress SOB in hopes of getting him up to Portland where I can slip him a Ruffie. I go overboard some times.
MiniD
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Originally posted by -tronski-
You often carry cans of soup around with you?
Tronsky
Very handy to have in case a li'l old lady is gettin' her bag snatched a half block in front of you.
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What happened to that fish SOB?
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Eh? Mr. Fish, the trout in my pants, or the one that turned out to be an old boot?
SOB
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Fishy Pants.
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Originally posted by Ripper29
Chicken George...
Just on a bit of a side note, in case you were wondering… the name Chicken George was a character in Arther Hailey’s epic novel “Roots”…. :D
Thanks Ripper, never knew that...
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Originally posted by JBA
Do you believe these bums get $359 a month. When the local San Fran. Legislature tried to use the money for shelters and food and give them $59 a month the sued the city.
Can’t buy alcohol and drugs with food and shelter.
When San Francisco started giving derelects "benefits" the murder rate among homeless in SF nearly doubled. Of course this could also be because the amount of homeless people went up dramatically as more were attracted to SF for the homeless stripend. Now it's virtually impossible to not be accosted by a derelect, not to mention the entire City smells like stale urine, and as a result the tourism industry in San Francisco is going down the tubes.
There are so many worthy organizations out there deserving of financial support that it galls me when AK Iron or someone else walks by a Muscular Dystrophy(sp) display at a supermarket without dropping a nickel in the collection plate and then gives a buck to some worthless piece o crap who has put himself in the situation he's in. What happened to personal responsibility?
Make lots of jokes about this, but as long as we have this blight on our society we'll be less of a nation, providing less in services to the truly needy, than we can be. As far as I'm concerned if it were legal to shoot derelects I'd be the second one in line (behind Steve) to buy a license.
Dolf Vader, if you truly believe the "vast majority of homeless are mentally ill" then I invite you to visit me and we'll drive into San Francisco and you can judge for yourself whether or not they're mentally ill or just manupilating the system.
It's well meaning liberalism that is completely out of touch with the realities of human nature that has turned San Francisco into a sespool. Ask the business owners who clean the human feces from their doorways every morning before they open for business how well SF's cash "benefit" program has helped "rehabilate" homeless and get them off the streets. They are like pigeons, and the more feed you put out for them the more pigeons will show up. If you stop feeding the pigeons they'll go away.
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Here ya go Steve :)
http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=FB8BA585-EBB4-4BCA-AF38-D6DDFF31090B
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Originally posted by RightF00T
I usually give a buck, what they do with it is between them and God.
Can you spell "ENABLE"? By giving a buck to a bum you are "enabling" him to stay a bum.
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Originally posted by Airhead
There are so many worthy organizations out there deserving of financial support that it galls me when AK Iron or someone else walks by a Muscular Dystrophy(sp) display at a supermarket without dropping a nickel in the collection plate and then gives a buck to some worthless piece o crap who has put himself in the situation he's in. What happened to personal responsibility?
How the hell do you know what I drop in the collection plate? Obviously you don't. Typical lib spin. By spin I mean lie.
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Originally posted by Arfann
Can you spell "ENABLE"? By giving a buck to a bum you are "enabling" him to stay a bum.
So I guess you're all for eliminating welfare?
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"So I guess you're all for eliminating welfare?"
Now we're getting somewhere!
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Originally posted by Steve
[B
Now we're getting somewhere! [/B]
Tough to get anywhere on foot, Steve.
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I'm not sure what you mean, Saur.
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Originally posted by AKIron
So I guess you're all for eliminating welfare?
Absolutely! Let 'em do without! Especially the kids. Let 'em starve now and save a bundle all the way down the road. Better yet, euthenasia! Retroactive birth control! Kill! Kill! Kill!
Or, on the other hand, we can reform welfare and use it to promote self reliance.
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Originally posted by Arfann
Absolutely! Let 'em do without! Especially the kids. Let 'em starve now and save a bundle all the way down the road. Better yet, euthenasia! Retroactive birth control! Kill! Kill! Kill!
Or, on the other hand, we can reform welfare and use it to promote self reliance.
Not likely so long as the democrats buy their votes from the welfare recipients.
As it is I donate to private charities, welfare recipients, and bums. It's my choice to donate to the charities and bums, but I don't like contributing to the democratic party campaign fund.
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Typical hobophobia.
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Originally posted by AKIron
How the hell do you know what I drop in the collection plate? Obviously you don't. Typical lib spin. By spin I mean lie.
YOU are the one who sounds like a Liberal, AK Iron!! I'm preaching self reliance and a duty to our society to contribute and you're giving away drug money to stinking bums.
I watched my sister struggle to raise three kids by herself because her ex husband thought it would be more fun to be a homeless drug addict. She has one out of school, one in college and one in High School and that bastard hasn't contributed one stinkin penny to their welfare.
Now the State is paying for his drug rehab and after he's straight he'll get job placement assistance and subsidized housing. My sister, in the meantime, isn't eligible for any programs that might have relieved her financial burden.
As far as I'm concerned people like you are responsible for the derelect problem in America today because it's easier for you to give a buck than have to stand up, look the bum in the eye and tell him to get a bath and a job. Send that dollar to my sister instead next time, OK? And in the meantime quit being a milksop Liberal and grow a backbone.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Not likely so long as the democrats buy their votes from the welfare recipients.
You all are just pissed off cause we thought of it 1st.
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Guess I might be a little liberal if that means helping someone that is asking for help.
Most of the time I feel the same as you Airhead, that they oughta get a job and earn their own way same as most of the rest of us. Other times I feel a little compassion and generous. Like I said before, it's not my responsibility for what they do with the little help I offer.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Guess I might be a little liberal ....
WOO HOO!! I got AKIron to admit he's a liberal!!
Ha!! Your conservative act didn't fool ME, Buster! I know you have a poster of Jane Fonda in your bedroom and I know you give money to the French too!
Go hug a tree, you Hippie !!
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damn, give 'em an inch.... ;)