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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKDejaVu on September 16, 2000, 05:13:00 PM
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<S> to Wilbus for a fun engagement.
I was flying towards a10 in my F4u-1C. There was a con hovering over a10 looking for hapless victims and I figured I'd give him a go.
As I neared the base.. I saw the con. It was a 109 about 5k above me and I was still climbing with my dt attatched. I jettesoned the DT and leveled out to pick up some speed. I knew I had no chance of out-running him and the damn 109s climb too well to fight when they have e. Any decent 109 pilot will rope-a-dope an F4 all day long.
I did have an ace in the hole. AKWabbit had come up from a nearby base also. He was still a sector away when the engagement began. My job was to keep the con low and keep from getting killed until AKWabbit showed up.
The 109 descended 3k quickly coming in on my still level flying 6. He was closing rapidly so I dove (knowing the 109 isn't too good with compression). I headed towards my ack since that was a good way to indicate I meant buisness.
He followed for a bit of the dive, then broke off. I went verticle as soon as he broke the pursuit.. trying to hold as much alt as possible. The 109 began flying away, climbing rapidly.
What began was a series of exchanges where the 109 would dive towards me then bank slightly to dodge the HO and go verticle.. hoping to get me into a rope-a-dope climb with him. This happened at least 4 times before AKWabbit finally showed up with alt and a fast p51.
It looked like the 109 was going to try to egress. AKWabbit had about 5k of alt on him and was about 7k behind him. I think Wab would have caught him eventually. There was no need however, as the 109 reversed and tried yet another series of rope-a-dopes on me.
I simply refuse to chase a 109 in the verticle. Its suicide. I didn't follow any of the rope-a-dopes, but rather proceeded flying level then turning after some separation was acheived.
About this time, another AK came up at a10. Wab was having some trouble getting the 109 in his sights due to a tad bit too much e and some excellent piloting on behalf of the 109 pilot. Unfortunately for the 109 pilot, the fight was beginning to lower in alt.
The 109 pilot must have realized he was in a tad bit of trouble, because he dove in on the lower AK and pursued him for a few turns. I dove in on the 109 with way too much e and was not able to come near folling his turn. I climbed and tried to set up another aproach.
I dove in on the 109 a couple more times... though this time he pullued up into my split-s depriving me of a firing solution. and making me overshoot 2 more times. Wab seemed to be having the same problems.
Then the 109 pilot made a mistake. He attempted to rope-a-dope the low 51 just as I was turning on him. I could not believe it as he was inverted (at the top of the rope (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) and hanging there as I closed in closer than 400 yards. I fired a volley where very few cannon rounds missed. The back half of his plane came off. It was actually the first time rounds had been fired by anyone the entire engagement.
It took 2 of us.. and later 3 some 7 minutes to kill that lone 109. He gave us all a run for our money. It was truly a great fight. <S> Wilbus for that one.
I went back to view the film I made of the engagement (well most of it) and noticed something that I hadn't seen during the fight. Wilbus had been taunting me because I wasn't pressing the attack more. He didn't seem pleased that I wouldn't try to follow his climb.. and that I had dove toward the ack on the initial engagement.
I was so enrapped in the engagement itself, that I wasn't paying attention to channel 1 and didn't notice the comments at all. When Wilbus finally died... he asked who the F4 pilot was. I replied with an <S> for it was an exciting flight.
He accused me of fighting cowardly. Then he told me I fought smart. I issued an "LOL!" and explained why a lower/slower f4u does not climb for a 109. I didn't engage the argument at all. He later came on private comms and apologized to me for the initial remark and complimented my on my patience.
We had a pretty good discussion on some of the tactics and ended with a few <S> and both went on our merry ways.
It is one of the best recordings I've ever made. Here it is (http://www.dbstaines.com/ahfilm/3vs109.ahf).
AKDejaVu
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>Wab was having some trouble getting the 109
>in his sights due to a tad bit too much e
>and some excellent piloting on behalf of
>the 109 pilot.
Hehe. Mostly because Wabbit can't fly a pony to save his mangy furr covered butt. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
All I could do is pester him and keep him from making a run for it till my mates could set up the shot they wanted.
S! Nice fying agian Wilbus.
Regards,
Wab
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Nice ack hugging sk1| |z
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btw that was a G2 not a G10.
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wilbus is probably the best 109 g10 pilot to grace AH. Enough said.
'Course u guys arent to bad yourselves (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Kronos
CO 99th Raging Rooks
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Are you sure nath? Thought Wilbus said it was a G10.
AKDejaVu
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Nice ack hugging sk1| |z
Had to run that last word through my quake-dweeb de-scrambler. Got it now.
I'm kinda curious where you got that? From where I dove towards the ack that one time (not into it)... or when I erm... well... never went near it again?
I look forward to more of your contructive nazi criticism (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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When you were using it so that the 109 wouldn't come any nearer to you.
looked like a G2 on the film.
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It needed three of you to kill Wilbus ?
wtg... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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It needed three of you to kill Wilbus
To avoid his cannons? No. To get him in front of my cannons? Yes.
He is an excellent stick. Told him as much in the film. Definately a better stick than I. But then again.. he died.
AKDejaVu
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AK guys, DejaVu, Wabbit and who was the third?
Very nice flying, great fun!
Never mannaged to get a shot on any of you, when I pulled up to aim at one of you another one came in on my six, never got a chance to fire.
<S!> To all of you! Hope we can do it again soon!
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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"
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Hey Wilbus <S>.. can you e-mail me your recording? I won't post it or anything.. just working on making a film.
AKDejaVu
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>AK guys, DejaVu, Wabbit and who was the
>third?
AKOwl.
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BTW.. Wilbus.. were you flying a g10 or a g2?
AKDejaVu
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When you were using it so that the 109 wouldn't come any nearer to you.
The whole engagement was between 9k and 14k Nath. That takes the ack out of the equation. Thought you'd be able to figure that one out on your own. Guess I was wrong.
By the way.. the fight didn't end up over A10.. it started there.
AKDejaVu
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Hmm, smart one here... didn't you notice Wilbus saying "stop running to ack F4U" or whatever, on the film? When you ran back to 10 and he stopped following... it was because of ack.
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Wilbus said a bunch of things. Most of wich he apologized for. Thought you'd be able to distinguish taunting from reality. Guess I was wrong on that account too.
Quit reading into it Nath. Watch the video...what you see is what you get.
AKDejaVu
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I stopped watching the video after I got bored about 20 sec into it.
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Ah.. I see.. then your's is yet another ignorant uninformed opinion. Thanks for clearing that up.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Ah.. I see.. then your's is yet another ignorant uninformed opinion. Thanks for clearing that up.
Typical of the uber luftwabbling nazi sympathizers, eh DJ? ;-P
-SW
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nazi sympathizers
please stay off this BBS and keep doing what you're good at -- dying.
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
please stay off this BBS and keep doing what you're good at -- dying.
Can't even take a joke. I'll do what I do best, killing you. (http://smilecwm.tripod.com/cwm2/Up_to_something.gif)
-SW
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When I read the title I thought it would be about me!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Now now, don't start a fight guys, I know a couple of people from the AK squad and they're all good and nice pilots, flown both with and against them and it's allways fun.
The Taunting I did when I first engaged the F4u (DejaVu) wasn't ment to be rude or anything like that, just wanted him to come back, I had alt, I had E and I had a better climber, the thing DejaVu did was smart flying, he waited for his friends to come and give him some help with that high 109.
Smart flying Deja!
<S>
Ps. Nath, you might wanna watch the whole movie, it gets quite interseting after a while ;-)
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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"
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Ah.. its nothing against you Wilbus. Anyone who watched the film knows that. Nath is here trying to stir things up again. He seems to like to do that when the AKs are involved. I believe it has something to do with him being a Nazi (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Great story guys. I love this stuff!
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
President, AppLink Corp.
http://www.applink.net
skuzzy@applink.net
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I personally like the competitive ribbing and such, as long as it doesn't get too personal...
Example: Last nite near V56, I parked my tank. 3 enemy spawned, 3 enemy died from a 4 mile distance, they never knew what hit them..Ripsnort: "I own this hill, don't bother re-spawning unless you want to die.." They complied. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 09-18-2000).]
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Deja's such a whoopee dweeb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Here's a screenshot from the last time I got on his 6 - as you can see he's busy running to the ack!
(http://www.jtsystems.demon.co.uk/temp/deja.gif)
(Sadly for him, it's not modelled yet.. hehe lol) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Even more of a dweeb cuz look at the hits! They're in the cockpit but NO KILL! WTF?!??!?! Obviously he's cheating, or my guns are porked ;((
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LOL DUMA! I do believe I got away that time too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I honestly can't remember you EVER shooting me down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I honestly can't remember you EVER shooting me down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Yeah, Alzheimer's is a squeak, ain't it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ah.. its nothing against you Wilbus. Anyone who watched the film knows that. Nath is here trying to stir things up again. He seems to like to do that when the AKs are involved. I believe it has something to do with him being a Nazi
Come on, you gotta be more witty than that to get my attention...
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Title of this post: "A funny engagement against an excellent G10 flyer"
Subtitle: "How to turn a thread into a flamefest!"
Fury
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Originally posted by Fury:
Subtitle: "How to turn a thread into a flamefest!"
Fury
HEY! Careful there you are treading on thin ice... you're next buster! What plane do you like to fly? I'm sure I can come up with a good retort!!! :-P
-SW
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Come on, you gotta be more witty than that to get my attention...
Hehe, by posting your response, it looks like they already got your attention!
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heheeh my "subtitle" comment was probably misleading.
Maybe it should have been "retitled" instead of "subtitled". The original post was a very nice one; some of the other posts led me to comment on "How to turn a thread into a flamefest".
Hmm, now I'm confusing myself (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Anyway, I like to fly the C47. I like to fly a P38/P51 in patrol, looking along the front for high bombers. I like to fly any of the bombers. I like to drive ground vehicles, either on offense or defense. I don't do real well in a 1 v 1, I don't do real well at cap...yea the dogfighting is fun and I really need to hone my skills and remember what my plane can and can not do.
Fury
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Hehehehe, that old Flying Circus Screenshot makes me think of the good old time, was a fun arcade game, had some really good time in it :-)
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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"
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LOL Duma that looks lie a classical case of groundpounding to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
*Donning flack vest*
MUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA The FC dudes are back