Post by: Lephturn on June 19, 2000, 09:32:00 AM
http://www.thehistorynet.com/MilitaryHistory/articles/0896_text.htm (http://www.thehistorynet.com/MilitaryHistory/articles/0896_text.htm)
My favorite part is this:
"When I was badly shot up on June 26, 1943 (see sidebar, P. 28), I had 21 20mm cannon shells in that airplane, and more than 200 7.92mm machine-gun bullets. One nicked my nose and another entered my right leg, where the bullet split in half. I still have those two little pieces, by the way; they went in just under the skin. I had been hurt worse playing football and boxing. However, I had never been that scared, I'll tell you that. I was always scared--that was what made me move quick."
I can't wait for a BnZ plane that has 8 fifties and can handle 20 cannon shells without going down. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Jugs rule!
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Soon as we win this war"
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Post by: Ripsnort on June 19, 2000, 09:36:00 AM
Hey Leph, can you address the 'V-Sync' on or off issue in a post in this forum? Thanks! http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/000544.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/000544.html)
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Post by: Saintaw on June 19, 2000, 09:37:00 AM
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Post by: funked on June 19, 2000, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: juzz on June 19, 2000, 10:16:00 AM
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Post by: -ammo- on June 19, 2000, 10:22:00 AM
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Post by: fdiron on June 19, 2000, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: Lephturn on June 19, 2000, 11:07:00 AM
It's not overly surprising however. The Hog used the same engine, but I don't think it had the same super-charging system. The Hog was also a carrier plane, so it had strengthened members in some places to withstand carrier ops.
Ok, now make the AH F4U able to withstand 20 cannon rounds. ;-) Only the D model though. <G>
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I'm taking her home with me one day, sir
Soon as we win this war"
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Post by: Kats on June 19, 2000, 11:23:00 AM
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I had 21 20mm cannon shells in that airplane,
and more than 200 7.92mm machine-gun bullets
That fellow had very good luck.
There are many cases where a human had taken a round to the head and survived. Would you consider that normal?
Post by: funked on June 19, 2000, 11:25:00 AM
Post by: gatt on June 19, 2000, 11:27:00 AM
I agree Leph,
this sim needs a P-47D. But dont forget the Dora (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Post by: Wardog on June 19, 2000, 11:31:00 AM
I think not,the structure of the p47 in not the same as the f4u. Funked of all people should know this.
Ill post the pic of the p47 that landed safely with the pole lodge in the wing as soon as i can find it.
Dog out.......
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 19, 2000, 11:42:00 AM
hehehe. Hey looks like this thing can turn too. In the URL above I asked for you guys to give their point of view about 'like which AH plane the P47 should turn' but none answered. Then, LW pilots, don't come whining "it's not right" when I will shot you down in a turnfight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyway, bring the P47D with gabriesky markings and we will flame each others with WW2 druk pilot reports and loosy trusty officials reports later (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P47D is coming and if recall good, Pyro said: "the 56th will not be left over" hehehehe Gabby was 56th (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: Graywolf on June 19, 2000, 11:57:00 AM
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Originally posted by Saintaw:
Yes Bring the Jug !
Yeah, bring it on. With my gunnery skills I need some bigger targets =)
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Post by: Vermillion on June 19, 2000, 11:57:00 AM
But I think we should have the M or N, given the type of arena we have.
And don't put out the old smoke screen of "not enough made" (1,500 N models alone saw combat), or that they "never really saw combat", because its not true and its easy to prove, just look in chronological history of AHT alone.
Bring on the P-47N !
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Post by: Gorf on June 19, 2000, 12:04:00 PM
You are correct on the P47Ns. There was a considerable sum of them that did see service in WWII, the P47Ns were in route to the Euro theatre but the war ended before they got there so they were routed to the Pacific. I will check when I get home tonight but, I believe it was the P47N that had the last air to air kill of a Japanese aircraft before the end of the war. I have a Bio on that P47N pilot. Will post it later tonight.
LONG LIVE the P47.
Gorf
Post by: Daff on June 19, 2000, 12:26:00 PM
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Post by: NATEDOG on June 19, 2000, 12:35:00 PM
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Post by: Sharky on June 19, 2000, 01:26:00 PM
I really hate that story when it comes to the P-47 in online sims. The problem with it is that people think that being able to absorb that kind of damage was the norm as opposed to being a very lucky pilot. The Jug was indeed a very rugged airplane, but was not exceedingly more difficult to shoot down than any other U.S. airplane.
Every time a jug pilot in an online sim gets his bellybutton shot off, he mentions that story as to how it should be impossible to shoot down a Jug with less than 50 direct hits from 20mm cannon. I love the Jug and hope it makes it's appearance in AH very soon, but I don't expect it to be a tank. I would much rather see it perform more prototypically than the Jug in the "other" sim.
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Post by: Vermillion on June 19, 2000, 01:27:00 PM
I don't understand the reasoning. How are 1,500 P-47N's any less "representative" than 150 F4U-1C's, around 400 N1K2-J's, a couple of hundred C.205's, around 700 Bf109K4's (our G10 is really a K4, I'm not sure of actual G10 production), or even the 700 or so Fw190D9's (which I'm sure will show up here eventually).
Nate, effective lobbying?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) So tell me where you guys at HTC got the idea of that particular internet liquor and wine sales shop from? Umm... let me guess, from a certain bottle of Crown Royal that showed up at the door one day? Damn, talk about creating a monster (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) LOL!!
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Post by: easymo on June 19, 2000, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: Daff on June 19, 2000, 02:05:00 PM
First, I think that modelling the F4U-1C was just silly..I would have thought they had learned that lesson (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
As for the Macchi's, it was an easy way of grabbing a stack of the italian players from WB, the N12K, heck I dont know, maybe to have a reasonable competetive Japanese Aircraft?.
As why the P-47D is a more representative than the N (And M), is that it was the work horse of the USAAF. By the time the N went into action, it was all but over.
Sure, it would be nice with an uber-P-47, (although the P-47N climbs just as bad as the early D's and Cs), but I'd much rather have a better historical representation of the P-47 actually flown in WW2...then again..."historical" doesnt really seems to be the issue in AH (Or in WB for that matter)
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Post by: Yeager on June 19, 2000, 02:18:00 PM
Yeager
Post by: funked on June 19, 2000, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 19, 2000, 02:38:00 PM
BROTHERS!!! The dark side is getting on you. Don't fly the p47 because you think it's toughter than anything. Don't fly the P47 because u think u can outdive everybody. Don't fly the P47 because it has 8 .50s.
This is wrong, it's like driving a Ferrari because it's a girl magnet...no no no, a Ferrari is more than that, it's the shape, the vibrations, the presice gear box... hum hum... back to the P47.
Clear your saoul, fly the P47 because you feel something when u fly... because of the huge prop, the big radial, the intimidating shape, the invasions stripes, the red nose... Fly it because you respect it, because inside of you u are in love with it... Then only the beast will recognize it's master and go the extra mile to an efficient flying and a safe RTB.
Amen...
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Post by: Karnak on June 19, 2000, 02:39:00 PM
HTC hasn't yet modeled an aircraft that only saw service in 1945. The P-47N would be a good candidate for one of the "bonus" aircraft along with the likes of the Ta152, Spitfire Mk F.21 and J7W1 Shiden.
Sisu
Post by: BlackHammer on June 19, 2000, 02:49:00 PM
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Post by: gatt on June 19, 2000, 03:28:00 PM
Vermillion,
the C.205V is not an uber plane. It is a decent medium-low alt 1943 fighter. Only 260 have been built? For a little military power like Italy these are even good numbers when factories are bombed by USAF.
Daff,
no it is only iEN stupidity not to have modeled an italian fighter yet. It is only iEN stupidity to have lost the oustanding LEM's C.205 3D model (designed for WB3).
Post by: snafu on June 19, 2000, 03:44:00 PM
There was an article on the "Discovery Wings" channel about a month ago full of people saying how the owe thier life to the "JUG" one guy recounted an attack on a train thought to be carrying supplies. As he lined it up the sides of the boxcar's came down and he was met by a row of 20mm cannon's. He destroyed at least 1 carraige but in his own words took several head on hits and the engine sounded like "A bag of spanners". Anyway he got back to base showing a respectable boost etc but after landing it was found 2 complete cylinders were missing and the broken ends of the Con Rod's were flapping around in the breeze.
Well I was impressed anyway!
Just thought you might like to know that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Still got the Video as well.
TTFN
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Post by: Thunder on June 19, 2000, 03:55:00 PM
And we want it NOW! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Post by: -ammo- on June 19, 2000, 04:22:00 PM
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Post by: Vermillion on June 19, 2000, 04:35:00 PM
Now, I too care about "historical" as I am intensely interested in Scenarios (My work in Aces High player run "Jokers Low" scenario team in a good indication (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) . And for that I agree the "D" model is better. But Scenario's/Historical Setups are one thing, and our (admittedly) fantasy arena is quite another. I don't see a reason not to include the "N" in an arena thats filled with other planes that weren't historically significant.
My fear is that if a "D" model was produced first, the "N" would most likely never see the light of day, (mostly due to cries of "Uber Bird", even though it is not). But if you do a "N" first for arena play, its highly likely that we would see a "D" for scenario's and other historical events very quickly.
As too the "N"'s climb, you know thats not quite the whole story (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) It climbs like a "D", due to all that added fuel capacity. Load it pound for pound with fuel similar to a "M" and I expect to see similar climb rates.
Karnak, not true. Both the F4U-1C and the N1K2-J are both primarily 1945 aircraft. The Cannon Corsair first entered combat during the Okinawa campaign (mid 45), while the N1K2 only had 7 prototypes as late as June 1944, and didn't really see appreciable combat until the Phillipines campaign.
And your comparing the P-47N (1,500 produced) to the J7W1 Shinden (2 prototypes),
the Ta152 (48 produced), and the Spit 21 (120 produced)??? Come on... roughly speaking there were as many P-47N's in combat as there were 190D9's (700) and Spit XIV's (957)combined! Two aircraft you have vocally advocated to be included in the game (and I would like to see them as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ).
Gatt, I never said that the C.205 was an uber plane. I said that it wasn't "representative". If I had to select a "historically representative" Italian aircraft I would be much more likely to choose the C.202 or C.200 which were both built in much larger numbers and participated in more campaigns and more battles. Of the 260 C.205's produced, only 177 were completed before the armistice, the rest being done while the factory was under German control. But I do agree that the C.205 was the right choice for AH, no arguements there.
All well, enough rambling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I still want the "N" though, with a followup variant "D". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: Karnak on June 19, 2000, 05:29:00 PM
You're of course correct about the numbers of the Spitfire Mk F.21, Ta152 and J7W1 Shiden (of those three, only the Ta152 saw any combat in WWII AFAIK) but they were exclusively built in 1945, as was the P-47N. The Fw190D-9 entered production and service in 1944, the Spitfire MkXIV entered production in 1943 and full service in 1944, neither are really comparable to the P-47N in timeframe. Even the N1K2 was in production in mid '44 (Even the 262 and Meteor were in service before it was, both in '44). Just because a nation had the capability to ramp up massive production doesn't mean that it should get first dibs on aircraft. If that were the case we'd have nothing but American and Russian aircraft (Well, the Spit, 109 and 190 would still make the cut).
Now I'm no Jug fan, so I don't know what kind of performance the N would have, but the guys here are talking up a storm about it wiping the floor with every other aircraft, and to me that says "use the P-47D". The "its an uber-plane arena" arguement doesn't cut it with me as we RAF types are fly the Spit IX and the Tiffie which are '42 kites (This doesn't look like its going to change anytime soon). I'm not very good and almost always get killed before I can even fire a shot (2 BnZing P-51s did that too me on Sunday), the P-47D will still be able to do that to my Spitfire IX (425mph to my 408mph). I'd hate to see how easy the P-47N (I seem to recall somebody quoting 470mph or 480mph for it in an old thread) would have it in the current arena.
If my numbers are wrong and its about the same as the D, then why not just take the D and avoid crossing the '45 only line?
That's my line of reasoning anyway (If you can call it reasoning. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Sisu
Post by: Daff on June 19, 2000, 06:36:00 PM
A M or N model, though, would be a more competetive arena plane....if I really wanted uber, I'd say model the XP-47J <G>.
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Post by: Sorrow[S=A] on June 19, 2000, 06:56:00 PM
And looking at the 2 pictures on my hard drive confirms only 2 cannon strikes, clearly seen in the tail of the plane. Right at the tip of the tail you can see a large shredded hole and on the rear stabilizer you can see the jagged marks where a shell detonated inside peeling off the metal.
Can you double check that rather unbelievable 21 cannon strike figure?
Post by: -ammo- on June 19, 2000, 07:15:00 PM
Its a shame however that I live 40 miles from the WB's Con location and cannot make it. I do plan on driving out to see OVmech and RATNP sometime this week. Will try to meet them at a waffle house or something (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Have a good time and dont get in any trouble playin AH;0
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Post by: SnakeEyes on June 19, 2000, 07:45:00 PM
And that's more than the 700 or so Doras (god knows how many of these were destroyed before they were even delivered to combat operational units), the 950 Spit XIVs, the 450 N1K2s, or the 260 M.C 205Vs.
The N is a perfectly legitamite Jug variant to model.... y'all need to quit your pissing and moaning. Hell, I frankly wish that they modeled the M and *gave* you whiners something to moan about!
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Post by: Pyro on June 19, 2000, 10:04:00 PM
Or are you not real Jug fans? Hehe.
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Post by: Karnak on June 19, 2000, 11:11:00 PM
You did not actualy address any of my comments, nor were any of them "Whines", they were, rather, opinions.
The reason that I don't want the P-47N in AH is because it would break the "only built in '45" barrier and would introduce a plane capable of doing 460mph in level flight. How would you like to face that monster in your 408mph '42 Spitfire?
Sisu
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 19, 2000, 11:13:00 PM
It's amazing all those things you can find in Florida's swamps.
Post by: juzz on June 20, 2000, 12:34:00 AM
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Once you model an M, it's pretty easy to do a D. Do an M in 56th colors, then do a D in Jambock colors.
P-47M - perk, in 56th colours.
P-47D - normal, in Brazilian colours.
Everybody's happy(except those who aren't).
Post by: funked on June 20, 2000, 05:11:00 AM
Post by: Daff on June 20, 2000, 05:11:00 AM
I can..and I got several pictures of the plane too..and it's confirmed by every single 56th FG book I have.
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Post by: juzz on June 20, 2000, 08:29:00 AM
Post by: Soup Nazi on June 20, 2000, 08:36:00 AM
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Originally posted by Daff:
Vermillion,
First, I think that modelling the F4U-1C was just silly..I would have thought they had learned that lesson (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).As for the Macchi's, it was an easy way of grabbing a stack of the italian players from WB, the N12K, heck I dont know, maybe to have a reasonable competetive Japanese Aircraft?.<snip>
Daff
How many times are you going to repeat this Daff? You seem alittle obsessed with it. You really think that HTC went out of their way to design A/C to suck the competition away from WB's, don't you? What's in the water over there in the UK?
No soup for you!
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Post by: funked on June 20, 2000, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: Gorf on June 20, 2000, 10:55:00 AM
Getting back with you on the P47N to get the last kill of the war. Here is the info on the pilot and his plane, he did not get the last air kill but was part of the FS that did, he was the last fighter ace of WWII.
The P-47N-1 was flown by Lt. Oscar Perdomo
Lil Meaties’ MEAT CHOPPER was the name of the plane.
464th FS/507th FG, le Shima, August 1945
“Lt. Perdomo arrived with the 507th on le Shima in June 1945, and flew his first mission on 2 July. There was little chance for the 507th to meet the Japanese in the air, especially after the atomic bombings, but on 13 August 38 507th P-47Ns encountered 50 Japanese aircraft over the Korean capital, and the chase began. In the subsequent melee, Oscar Perdomo downed five aircraft in this P-47N, thus making him the last known fighter ace of World War2..”
SOURCE: cc Mustang and Thunderbolt Aces of the Pacific and CBI, Osprey Aircraft of the Aces Volume 26
Below is a scanned image of his P47N.
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Post by: juzz on June 20, 2000, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: funked on June 20, 2000, 01:22:00 PM
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Post by: Karnak on June 20, 2000, 01:40:00 PM
Sisu
Post by: Westy on June 20, 2000, 01:44:00 PM
-Westy
Post by: Lephturn on June 20, 2000, 02:41:00 PM
Of course, I don't expect an AH version of the Jug to take 20 cannon shells. I was just posting an interesting story, though I'm sure we've all heard versions of it before. There is some interesting stuff in the interview portion as well. Looking at the rest of the story, it does appear as though 2 cannon shells is the number. One outside the cockpit, and one in the tail, however I was just copying from the article.
I think the current F4U is likely close to how tough the 47 is likely to be, and it's fine IMHO.
I knew that quote would stir the pot, LOL. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) How does that hook feel lodged in the corner of your mouth gents? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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And she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip
I was thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip
Always got me through so far
Well they can ship me all over this great big world
But I'll never find nothing like my North End girl
I'm taking her home with me one day, sir
Soon as we win this war"
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Post by: SnakeEyes on June 26, 2000, 09:27:00 AM
I've never heard that the N was sent to the ETO, but Daff could probably comment more authoritatively on that. They certainly didn't go to the 8th AF, as the 8th only have one FG using the P47 at that time. Having said that, I do know that approximately 160 P47Ms found their way to the ETO and that they *did* fly combat there with the 56th FG (which was the only 8th AF P47 group).
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Post by: Daff on June 26, 2000, 09:34:00 AM
All P-47M's produced went to the 56th FG (All 130 of them, not 160 :P). The 56th received them in Dec '44 and started operational flying in Jan '45. The M's scored a fair amount of kills, although the exact number is hard to find out, as the 56th for a while used both D's and M's on the same mission. I do know of at least 4 Me262's being shot down by M's.
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