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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: brady on May 27, 2003, 03:34:01 PM
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This Friday as mentioned earler, we will be runing the new Okinawa terain by Kanttori,Tiles by Squirl and Some yet to added details by DUX, and Skins by an artist who whish to remain unnamed:)
The Allies will start with all their assest's at see, if they take a Base they will have Army Air assest and GV's available.
Fleat hardness will by 50% of MA standard, 4k for a Cv and 750 pounds for any other ship.
All bases have SB's they will be set to 5k, as apposed to 4k wich is their default seting.
The Ack gun hardenss will be increased to 50KG.
Ack lethality will be at .7, like it is normaly in the CT.
Dot dar will be at 20 miles for enemy and unlimited for friendly.
500 foot height for dar.
The plane set:
At start up all Allied airpower will be sea based, if the Allies take a base US Army Air assest's will be available their as well as GV's.
Plane set:
Their are two types of Allied CV task forces, one with 4 CV's and one with one CV. The 4 CV groups have two CA in them along with their CV's and the Single CV groupe is just like a MA fleat. Their are also 4 CA TF's like we had on the slot map. For this set up will will be using, 2 single CV group's, one Four CV groupe and one 4 CA groupe. The Japanese will have one Single CA groupe.
USN:
From the Four CV groupe(C1):
Hellcat
Wildcat FM2
TBM
SBD
LVT's
From the Single CV groupe (C3):
F4U-1D
TBM
SBD
LVT's
Royal Navy:
From the single CV groupe(C4):
F4U-1A (Skined as a Royal Navy Coursare)
TBM
SBD
LVT's
US Army:
P47D-30
A20
C47
The M's
Panzer IV
PT's
Japan:
All of them.
C47
The M's
Panzer IV
PT's
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Sounds like fun. I'll be there for this one.
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Thanks for being nice and not making the Japanese go up against the 4Hog. :)
Also thanks for giving the Val a chance to sink a ship on its own. :)
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Was wondering about the P-51D in this one. I believe the 348th and 35th FGs were based in Ie Shima its fall. Not sure about the Lightning - was it involved in the OK campaign?
Anyway, 51 left out for play balance reasons? Just curious...
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Here is the Okinawa's strategy. I have made the spawn points arrows like US invasion ways in the real life in 1945:
(http://events.hitechcreations.com/terrain/Kanttori/Okinawa/Screenshots/OkinawaStrat.jpg)
As you can see, the best coast to start invasion is Yontan and Kadena area, like in history. After capturing those fields Allied can roll to south and north using GV's spawn point's ways.
There are numbers of automatic 20-30 mm and mannable 37 mm Acks all over the island and always near the spawn points. Those Ack batteries are owned by the nearest field. Maybe the best way to invasion is destroy at first the Shore and Ack Batteries with heavy jabo attacks. ;)
Ack Batteries have always three guns: automatic 20 mm and 30 mm and mannable 37 mm. The heavy 88 mm batteries have three gun's too. Both battery types are placed like triangles.
Capturing the fields is the old system: maprooms are always near towers and there are any "Field Cap Towns" in this map. That's because of frame rates, there are a lot of trees and stuff in the fields... you know me!:D Kill the VH and Acks and drop the troops.
There are no Hangers on the fields, but all the Sandbag Revitments are like them.
Five Airfields on Okinawa Isle has their historical layout with coral runaways and revitment's places. The little isles around Okinawa have little "jungle" fields. They are like quickly built bases or little reserve fields. They have Shore Batteries, too.
HQ's and Ports are outside the Clipboard map, so you cannot see them.
And the Allied fleets are Huge looking from the air...:D
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The P47 is skined as a P47N from the 463rd Fighter Squadron 507th Fighter Group on le Shima during 1945.to the best of my knowledge this was the First US Army fighter unit based on an Okinawa area field. This unit was in action before the entire island of Okianawa was secured. I stuck with just the above plane set to effect a better gameplay balance.
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I don't understand why the spawn points for bases aren't mutual. That is, if one can spawn from V20 to A33, why not from A33 to V20?
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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cool, PTO P-47s cool
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This looks to be one of the most exciting maps and setups we have had :D
Kanttori, et al who have worked on it. Can't wait for Friday now :D
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DROOL
Is it friday yet?........no?.........well why the hell not....
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Originally posted by brady
This Friday as mentioned earler, we will be runing the new Okinawa terain by Kanttori,Tiles by Squirl and Some yet to added details by DUX, and Skins by an artist who whish to remain unnamed:)
Reet !
Sakai
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No German planes? :o
Oh well, I guess they can't all be ETO setups. I'll suck it up and manage. :rolleyes:
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We have noticed one bug in the map: Use only H (Hanger) spawn when you upped fro US Fleets! The other spawns drop you to the sea!;)
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We should have the P51D and P51B, on the feilds. This is what frustrates me. You say you want to keep things fair and balanced. Yet they have the Niki. Weres are C-hog? This is going to be just like the last "pac" set up. This is about as fair and balanced as fox news. Count me out.
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I think the P-51s didn't arrive until after Okinawa was secured, and if this CT setting simulates the invasion of the island I can see why they were left out.
The F4U-1C, though, was definitely present, serving with MAG-31
operating from Yontan, arrived 7 April.
Maybe it could be made available from that base after it's captured? Might have to perk it though, or it could be used in far larger numbers than it really was?
I fly Japanese so I'm not looking forward to facing it, but if the F4U-1C belongs in any CT setting, it should be this one. The CT staffers have to decide how badly it would effect play balance - maybe its just better off being used in an Okinawa scenario, where its numbers can be controlled.
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Originally posted by oboe
if the F4U-1C belongs in any CT setting, it should be this one. The CT staffers have to decide how badly it would effect play balance - maybe its just better off being used in an Okinawa scenario, where its numbers can be controlled.
After this past week's experience with the Spit 14, I'd bet that inclusion of the C-Hog would mean that, for the weekend, we'd have 2-1 odds (or worse) against the Japanese, with most allies flying the C-Hog and most axis flying the Niki.
On the other hand, I did note that by the end of this week's setup, the lure of the Spit 14 had diminished (or all the MA people who wanted to fly a non-perked Spit 14 got bored and went home) and the odds were generally even. Heck, I even got to fly allied on Wednesday night. So, with that said, I guess it would be OK to try it. It's only a week.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
After this past week's experience with the Spit 14, I'd bet that inclusion of the C-Hog would mean that, for the weekend, we'd have 2-1 odds (or worse) against the Japanese, with most allies flying the C-Hog and most axis flying the Niki.
There is always one AC with an edge (albeit slight at times) and that's what all the dweebs fly. Why make Okinawa any different?
Give them the C hog. If it becomes silly and meaningless to fly with that in there, drop it after Wednesday.
I mean, we can always drop it if it ruins arena play right? Give it a ride.
Sakai
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No C Hog's.
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It would of been cool to skin the 190A5 say as a Ki44 , & the 110
as a Ki45 Dinah..and added them to this , regardless I like the setup & look forward to it .:D
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this set up sucks. Its very one sided. If your not going to give us the C-hog, then give us the P51B model.....
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Originally posted by Emptygun26
this set up sucks. Its very one sided. If your not going to give us the C-hog, then give us the P51B model.....
One sided? F4Us, Fm2s and Hellcats can't hang with Japanese planes?
Sakai
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I like the plane set...from both sides of the fence.
I held my own very well thank you in a p47 vs a ki-61 and a nik.
But my favorite of all is the ki-61 :D
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I think its a good setup. P-51s were not part of the invasion force, so they are not there. Every late war setup doesnt need Mustangs. CT is historical as it can be within reason. Fly a F4U-1D or a P-47D.
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Originally posted by Emptygun26
We should have the P51D and P51B, on the feilds. This is what frustrates me. You say you want to keep things fair and balanced. Yet they have the Niki. Weres are C-hog? This is going to be just like the last "pac" set up. This is about as fair and balanced as fox news. Count me out.
Cool, another disgruntled CNN hugger. Kanttori, the checks in the mail bud!!!
ALLIES QUIT WHINING!!!!! YOU SOUND LIKE THE BUNCH OF SCHOOLGIRLS YOU REALLY ARE.
Let the flaming commence...:D
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i like fox news. :p
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no kidding diablo. f6f is more than adequate for the niki.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
ALLIES QUIT WHINING!!!!! YOU SOUND LIKE THE BUNCH OF SCHOOLGIRLS YOU REALLY ARE.
Yeah ... the HUGE amount of allied whining in this thread is most deafening. :rolleyes:
(shakes head) *chuckle* :D
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Wasn't talking about ONLY the BBS, was also referencing what I have seen on the TB in the CT the last couple of days. :rolleyes:
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yeah, if you can get your hands on the Hellcat. When I flew, only the F4U-1 was near the area of action. They can have a good handle on things, but only if you have the E advantage and kill the N1K2's fast. The 1 Hog vs the Ki-61 was a fun fight, though. Against the N1K2, it was insane. That thing accelerates very well. I literally had one flying circles around me. LOL.
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P-51's please... the Hellcat can handle anything the japanese can throw at it. Period.
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Well the us admirals sail their fleets 5 miles off the coast of the nme fields. I have seen ships sunk with the 37mm field gun. If the admirals had better sense you could be close to the action and have all the planes to fly.
The fm2 kicks bellybutton though. The f6f is tough when its flown by soulyss but that fm2 is a fun fight.
Brady did add the fm2 to all the land based fields.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Wasn't talking about ONLY the BBS, was also referencing what I have seen on the TB in the CT the last couple of days. :rolleyes:
Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Batz
Brady did add the fm2 to all the land based fields.
Shouldn'ta. I'm impressed with the first actual "balancing act" of Okinawa being one of addition for the Allies but it certainly wasn't a neccesity. I'd be just as happy (or happier) with them staying on ships, floating or sunk. Let the suicide commodores learn how to keep their fleets safe.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:
Oh, that's right. Arlo knows everything...my bad. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Arlo
Shouldn'ta. I'm impressed with the first actual "balancing act" of Okinawa being one of addition for the Allies but it certainly wasn't a neccesity. I'd be just as happy (or happier) with them staying on ships, floating or sunk. Let the suicide commodores learn how to keep their fleets safe.
A thinly-veiled whine....by ARLO...imagine that.....:rolleyes:
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How do you arrive at that? Wait, never mind. Probably the same way you arrive at everything. You imagine it. :rolleyes: back and all.
:D
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You just need to remove the blinders Arlo, that all. Now that the map is fixed a good time will be had by all....hopefully. :)
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And from what I saw in the three+ hours I was in the CT today, the Allies have really laid it on thick!!! Some great fights in there today,
to all and for lastnight's fights!!
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
You just need to remove the blinders Arlo, that all. Now that the map is fixed a good time will be had by all....hopefully. :)
From what I've seen a good time was already being had by all. No matter how fun or well set-up there'll be some players that ain't happy unless they're cryin' bout somethin. ;)
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Hey, I agree with you....imagine that!! :D
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Whoops ... then let me do a quick 180 and say just the opposite before it's too late. ;)
No complaints!
:D
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Please, no quick reversals on me, they make me nervous. And Cpt. "Wild" Bill Kelso is a god in my book...
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LOL ... ok ... we're on common ground. What the hell do I do now? ;)
I used to have 1941 on video. Damned VCR ate it. I suspect a long term Japanese plot. :eek: :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
LOL ... ok ... we're on common ground. What the hell do I do now? ;)
I used to have 1941 on video. Damned VCR ate it. I suspect a long term Japanese plot. :eek: :D
Get DVD! Itll be at least a few more years tll another Japanese plot makes the auto self destruct feature kick in and makes DVD obsolete too. ;)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Get DVD! Itll be at least a few more years tll another Japanese plot makes the auto self destruct feature kick in and makes DVD obsolete too. ;)
LOL! Sounds like a plan. Saw it at Hastings last week.
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I heard Disney is working on a "disposeable" DVD right now. First the Ducks are in the Cup finals and now this. Damn Satanic cult.
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Revolting! I mean ... we oughta revolt!
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Too late, the bastards already got my $8 bucks for Finding Nemo:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Revolting! I mean ... we oughta revolt!
Too late! We're all ready revolting...no, wait...
Sabre
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Originally posted by Arlo
LOL ... ok ... we're on common ground. What the hell do I do now? ;)
I used to have 1941 on video. Damned VCR ate it. I suspect a long term Japanese plot. :eek: :D
I got it (on DVD) a couple of weeks ago at target for something like $12.00. I sat down and watched it again for the first time in years, I still split my gut when Hollis Wood is captured and taken aboard the Jap sub and is interrogated. My god Slim Pickens was funny. Believe it or not, I still say that was Spielberg's best movie, period (ok, thread subject about to change). Hell, the shots of the P-40 through the Grand Canyon alone are worth the price of admission. And to throw in Dan Aykroyd, John Candy, John Belushi, Robert Stack, Slim Pickens...what a great movie.