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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Holden McGroin on May 29, 2003, 10:00:40 PM
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AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch "coffee shops" famous for selling cannabis are about to see business go up in smoke.
Officials have just put the finishing touches to a measure banning smoking in cannabis-selling cafes. Due to get government approval soon, the law aims to protect employees of all companies from passive smoking.
"Any coffee shop that has employees will be affected too," said Trudy Prins, director of Dutch anti-smoking group Stivoro.
Although cannabis is formally illegal in the Netherlands, its use and sale are tolerated under strict government conditions. Coffee shops, where customers can buy a small amount of cannabis without fear of arrest, are a major tourist draw.
Coffee shop owners were aghast. "The whole point of going to a coffee shop is to smoke," said Arjan Roskam, chairman of the Union for Cannabis Retailers.
The Netherlands boasts around 800 cannabis cafes. Smoking a joint in an Amsterdam coffee shop vies with canal boat tours and trips to the flower market for a place on tourists' itineraries.
I wonder if passive smoking causes the munchies
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I'm tired of all these laws like this ... Employers/ Bar Owners, etc have rights too... Would you tell a man he can't smoke in his own house? That's what they're saying to bar owners in NY and now Holland it seems. If you take a job working in a bar expect smoke! it's fediddleing BAR! Your not a salve, you don't have to work THERE
... sorry to see this stupid backwards way of American thinking cross the seas.... or maybe it was the Dutch that brought it here.. damn you! :D
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Oh well, there goes the incentive to go work in Amsterdam , *poof*.
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Just do the Antoinette thing.
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If this law will be implemented, it will not be enforced in coffeeshops. The politicians in general all but agree on it being a shame to kill the carefully developed system of semi-legalized drug use that has proved to work so well because of this law.
Nothing will change in practice...
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ok hang on. This law bans smoking in coffee shops?
So you can buy it, just not smoke it?
Um......so? Skin one up and go sit in the park to smoke it instead.
Edit: I see the future........hundreds of dutch coffee shops suddenly put chairs outside.
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Cook it in brownies, it should go great with coffee:D
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Would you tell a man he can't smoke in his own house?
In Oregon you can't smoke in any workplace or public building (Bars are exempt). this includes home offices if clients come to your office. unless you have a separate entrance to your office area this can be interpreted to mean your whole house.
as a non-smoker/anti-smoker (if you want to smoke at my house you can go sit on the porch with the dogs) I think this has gone way too far.
I spend most of my work days in paper-mills (not exactly a paragon of air quality), most are completely non-smoking properties now, including outside areas and in your car in the parking lot.
even the ones that allow smoking only allow it outside.
I spend most of my work day in the boiler-house, where they burn the toxic chemicals used in the pulping process (where you get that lovely smell from). and while we are their we are welding, grinding, and burning making huge amounts of smoke, that if compared to whats in a cigarette would make the smoker look like quite a light-weight. but guys aren't allowed to smoke while they do it.
personally I'd rather breath a little second hand smoke than spend my 12 hour day in a place where 20 out of the 50 guys are on a nicotine jones.
plus you get the added benefit of guys switching to chewing to get their nicotine (IMO chewing tobacco is the "Gross Nat'l Product"). I'd rather deal with a little extra smoke and a few butts laying around, than an increase in guys spitting all over the place.
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Hey Capt. Apathy, I work in the paper mill industry too - which company do you work for? I'm currently with Georgia-Pacific after they bought the Fort-James business.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Edit: I see the future........hundreds of dutch coffee shops suddenly put chairs outside.
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I sit outside most of the time anyway...:)
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the last 2 jobs where at GP mills (waunna Oregon, and Camas Washington). but I'll work for who ever has the most $$ this week.
I work on just about any pressure vessle, but most of my money comes from tube repair in recovery boilers.
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Sounds like well paid work, mate. Contracting seems the way to go if you can handle the travel etc. The prices we pay our scaffolding people are extraordinary. I just wish I'd done engineering at uni instead of damned physics - plenty of well paid jobs out there for contracting firms, although this job isn't bad.
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Originally posted by Heater
I sit outside most of the time anyway...:)
Is there a coffeeshop in Zeewolde with an outside seating area?
I feel a trip to Zeewolde coming on if there is.......
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In the county I live in in Minnesota, they have passed a law banning smoking in all restaurants and most bars. Places that I would never patronize before because of the thick clouds of smoke, now get my business, along with plenty of other non-smokers.
It is so refreshing to be able to go to a bar and not smell like a friggin chimmney when I get home.
All the bar owners whined about losing business at first, and there were many chicken littles crying "The sky is falling!" when the law was first passed. But since the law has been in effect, none of the bars or restaurants that I'm aware of have closed.
Gee, I guess non-smokers' money was as good as smokers money afterall!
While I sympathize with folks who are addicted to tobacco, I don't feel any sympathy for smokers who think it's their "right" to pollute the air of those around them in a public place.
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banana old pal, we're not talking about restaurants and bars. We're talking about Dutch coffeeshops. Not like a US coffeeshop. A Dutch coffeeshop's purpose in this world is to be a place where dope smokers go to buy it, smoke it and socialise without posting a look out for the red and blue flashing lights.
Why would a non smoker want to go to a Dutch coffeeshop other than to socialise with a smoking friend?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Coffee shop owners were aghast. "The whole point of going to a coffee shop is to smoke," said Arjan Roskam, chairman of the Union for Cannabis Retailers.
I thought the point of going to a coffee shop was getting coffee. :confused:
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Originally posted by banana
In the county I live in in Minnesota, they have passed a law banning smoking in all restaurants and most bars. Places that I would never patronize before because of the thick clouds of smoke, now get my business, along with plenty of other non-smokers.
It is so refreshing to be able to go to a bar and not smell like a friggin chimmney when I get home.
All the bar owners whined about losing business at first, and there were many chicken littles crying "The sky is falling!" when the law was first passed. But since the law has been in effect, none of the bars or restaurants that I'm aware of have closed.
Gee, I guess non-smokers' money was as good as smokers money afterall!
While I sympathize with folks who are addicted to tobacco, I don't feel any sympathy for smokers who think it's their "right" to pollute the air of those around them in a public place.
I agree. They passed a similiar law here in Florida. The only effects I've noticed are (a) food tastes better, (b) friendlier service, (c) less wait for a table, (d) people seem to be having more fun. I think the main affect of the law was to teach smokers the value of patience - which is more important; that cigarette or spending a few more minutes with family and friends? Either that or the smokers have learned to cook for themselves. ;)
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Why would a non smoker want to go to a Dutch coffeeshop other than to socialise with a smoking friend?
Because they like coffee?
Are you saying there are separate non-smoking coffee shops in Amsterdam?
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Um....yes.
There's coffeeshops as you know them........and there are "coffeeshops" as in cannabis cafes. They just happen to serve coffee as well as it's the Dutch national drink (it seems).
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Originally posted by gofaster
I thought the point of going to a coffee shop was getting coffee. :confused:
Wrong, wrong, wrong, absolutely brimming over with wrongabilty.
See above.
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wtf ??? there is coffe in Dam coffeeshop ?
Sky is falling ;)
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Originally posted by Swoop
Um....yes.
There's coffeeshops as you know them........and there are "coffeeshops" as in cannabis cafes. They just happen to serve coffee as well as it's the Dutch national drink (it seems).
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Ya see, there's coffee shops and coffee shops. When I visited Amsterdam a couple of years ago the ones that sold pot had a green sticker in the window saying "coffee shop".
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as it was explained to me-
if you want coffee you go to a cafe
if you want weed you go to a coffee shop
kinda like this. when in Nevada you don't buy chickens at the chicken ranch, or mustangs at the mustang ranch
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the amendment to the FL state constitution (yeah, not a law, but a constitutional amendment) about smoking banned it from all workplaces except standalone bars. Basically the same thing that Apathy mentioned about Oregon.
I love the fact restaurants and other places (malls, etc) are smoke free, but I can't understand why you can't have indoor smoking areas/lounges in a place of business if the employees/management want one.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Cook it in brownies, it should go great with coffee:D
One of the best times I've ever had in Disneyland. Ate a bunch of brownies just before going in. Took about 30-45 minutes to kick in. Actually had fun in Small World.
The trick is to saute' the "greens" in butter before folding into the brownie mix. :cool:
(Drug free for 13 years now.)
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I can almost see you jumping out of your little cars and tackling the automated charectars.
...you must have needed 3 or 4 guys to take down "Figment" the dragon.