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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: kanttori on May 30, 2003, 05:15:19 PM
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Write here bugs you find from Okinawa map, please! These I know yet:
- Fleet's spawn points are dropping you to sea. Use only H-spawn!
-A11 runaway's north end makes ditched landing.
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right now you can fly anything off of the us cv
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Looks like all planes available everywhere.
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here's a bug: all planes for both sides. lol made for some great 163 and 262 rides. tehe. gotta love resets in the ct. lol :D
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Kanttori,
I love the map and plane set...my whines are not from your map but the typical AH settings.
another big WTGB!
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Set up is fixed.
The Bish have only one perment base the Port for the ship's, when they ttook A24 they then had two, and when the Japanese took it back they only had one so the map reset, aparently the Fleats dont count as bases.
Kanttori, can you add another off map base for the Bish a V-Base or somthing, so this dosent hapen again:)
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A24 the fleats can sail through part of the island, we had a destroyer sail throught the end of the runway!:)
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I saw a destroyer cruise right through the middle of A8 destroying Japanese aircraft from point blank range (it was about 100ft {30 meters) from the runway). It was sunk about the time it reached the tower.
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V10 gives a Ditch on the runway.
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Now I understand the reset! Of course I must create couple of "Outside the map" fields near the US port in the south...
Brady, can you change your setup a little that there is not coming more resets in next week:
Give to Allied next fields from the first days of the Okinawa Battle:
A24 Kerama Islands (26. - 29. of March 1945)
A14 Yontan and A 12 Kadena from the invasion coast (1. - 3. of April 1945).
I have seen Destroyer coming to coast: I think it is caused by the huge fleets. The Fleet's "Master" Carrier is in the middle of the ships and it cannot be very near to coasts (Waypoint touches a land). But the outer destroyers are so far from it that they can do it...
V 10 runaway is only "emergency landing place" (The Yonabaru airfield was not ready when US started the invasion to Okinawa).
I have built those Okinawa isle's historical airfields from little taxiway pieces and under them are four invisible Vdepot -objects as "Runaways". They don't reach under every airfields visible runaways especially from their ends:
STOP ALWAYS YOUR PLANE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AIRFIELD AREA!;)
Thank you for your information. And I know this is not all...:D
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Originally posted by Karnak
I saw a destroyer cruise right through the middle of A8 destroying Japanese aircraft from point blank range (it was about 100ft {30 meters) from the runway). It was sunk about the time it reached the tower.
Actually, I was sitting in a fieldgun and started hitting that puppy as soon as it came ashore and sunk it- I must admit, having it come in that close made it a lot easier to kill... and yet, Defiantely a bug. ;)
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Kantorrie, Sqrl - a stunning terrain- the best one yet! :).
Cheers,
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I have done next bugs repairs and adjustments to this map:
* Fleets are now in tighter groups and not sailing over lands ;)
* Fleet's "Sea dropping" spawns repaired.
* Couple of Okinawa main Island's heavy and medium mannable Ack batteries removed.
* Shore Batteries added to main island's V-bases, especially in the north part of the isle.
* All ditching runaways repaired.
* Rearm pad added to V10. There is unfinished (historical) airfield where you can only land and rearm.
* Two Allied fields added, no more undesirable resets.
* Kamikaze airstart spawns added here and there around Okinawa main Isle. Messerschmitt Comets are skinned to Bakas in the becoming SEA arena!
* New Clipboard map by Dux. It's beautiful and really old looking!;)
Very many have remarked about very heavy ack around Fleets. Both CT and SEA Campaign Managers want there those big fleets: Two of them have 4 Carriers, 2 Cruisers and 9 Destroyers. As you can understand ack is heavy over them. Ack lethality depends on Host's settings, I cannot affect to it, sorry!:rolleyes:
And here's the new Clipboard map. If some player reading this lives in this area, can you please check the map and Island's names! Thank You!:D
(http://events.hitechcreations.com/terrain/Kanttori/Okinawacbm.jpg)
I hope that Skuzzy built this repaired version on monday, so we can fly there in the next week!;)
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Kamikaze airstart spawns added here and there around Okinawa main Isle. Messerschmitt Comets are skinned to Bakas in the becoming SEA arena!
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Air starts? (quizical look) For CT and SEA? :eek: Either doesn't sound good.
Ahhhh .... Baka. Sure hope this is a SEA thing only. And even then ... (shudders at thought of dweebs hopping in "Bakas" for joy rides when they really have a Kate slot)
Still - all in all - excellent work! Shows some thought and it definately gives the "invasion" feel.
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Airstart POSSIBILITY to Baka's (they're dropped under bombers) is only for the SEA use. We don't use it in CT!;)
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Ahhh .... for SEA ... ok, good.
Airstarts for Bakas still worry me some (just from an "armchair strategy game general/Admiral pov"). I mean, after all, since they were dropped from bombers, wouldn't there be a chance to knock down the bomber before it launched the Baka? With airstarts to simulate bomber drops, you have, essentially, an invisible, light speed bomber doing the dropping.
Unless the scenario rules state that an "empty" IJ bomber needs to make it to the Baka spawnpoint without being shot down for each Baka launched (which may well be the case.)
Never mind. I'm voicing concerns based on assumptions anyhoo.
Again .... great work! And thanks! :)
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what is the baka suppose to be? it was a flying bomb.
They (me 163) carries no bombs and afaik crashing into ships with your plane causes no damage. Then theres the mk 108s.
even wth out there use in the ct what purpose would they fill in the sea?
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Well , it is interesting, Most of the Betty's that launcehd Bakas were intercepted, But Bakas did sink ship's at Okinawa, and Bunches were launched, but the Me 163 as a representation of this is curious in so much as how the effect will be realised, since Hittting anything like a ship with a plane has no effect.
Ya were not going to do this in the CT, their are enough sucided dweabs around anyway we dont nead to inchurage it.:)
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As in many scenarios over the years, it sounds as if "simulated" kamakazi runs are being considered. All it takes is proof from the pilot that he collided with a ship. The logs'll show that, right? To back it up, the pilot can submit film of the collision. If the fleet C.O. claims a last minute "shoot down" - it'll be up to him to submit film of that. *Shrug* I don't think that's a problem.
The problem comes from "dead" ships still providing aa cover against incoming Kamikazis.That and implementing and enforcing a practical way to simulate them being dropped from a bomber.
Although the bomber pilot presenting film to prove they made it to the baka spawnpoint may be less problimatical than the "dead ship aa."
Ok, not worried over this anymore, it appears to be an academic exercise in possibilities involving an Okinawa scenario and possibly the Baka. I'm sure things'll get worked out. :D
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"The problem comes from "dead" ships still providing aa cover against incoming Kamikazis."
Exactly what I was thinking, that and the apeal of flying a one way sortie to simply die for the Empire to the player's, even it is a multi life event.
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I think its silly but if folks will register for an event and have fun doing it then why not.
But imho :rolleyes:
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Hmmmm ..... anything that Batz rolls his eyes at must have some real merit after all! :D
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would you sign up for an event to fly a 163 into a ship?
NM you just might.
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Yeah ... I'm not all that much a "world revolves around me" person when it comes to events. ;)
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Is there a reason why the allied goon has those ugly red meatballs on them. Stars would look much better I think.:rolleyes:
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It's not an allied goon, it is a Tabby, L2D3, a licensed C47,licensed before the war obviously, and produced in Japan Used throught the war by the Japanese as a transport, althought the Japanese vershion had guns and was faster(more powerfull engines). Otherwise identical to a C47 in appearance.
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Yeah ... I'm not all that much a "world revolves around me" person when it comes to events.
I dunno what your talking about. What event had to "revolve around me"?
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Wasn't talkin' `bout you ... but from your response you seem to have the inclination to assume the world revolves around you. ;)
Now about assumptions on what may or may not be boring in an event.
Did you ever stop to think that the Baka could be a secondary ride in a "one life event?" Much like players have the option to stick around and gun or drive GVs or goon when they get shot down? There's plenty of players willing to do these things for their team/side if they get waxed early on. So what if it's a one way rocket ride into a simulated destruction of a ship?
I get the feeling that the overall theme and goal of event play goes over your head somewhat (not unlike Fariz). It shows in your attitude about the CT as well. I can only wonder at your drooling over the eventual release of TOD. I mean, the way you always go on about being bored when others don't make your experience more fun for you, personally ... you'd think the thought of tedious missions where you follow the AI general's orders to not die at all costs would really drive you batty.
I tend to not worry about the other guy so much when it comes to the actual playing of the game and more so when it comes to the setup and design. Though I do like making fun of the ch1 whiner a bit too much. Eh ... guess we all have our faults, eh? LOL
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(Much more answer than you wanted and probably more than I should have wasted time giving since it won't amount to much - but hey ... like I said ... we all have our faults. ) :D
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Last post as its going in circles much like your flying
think its silly but if folks will register for an event and have fun doing it then why not.
Ofcourse it would be a secondary life. If you had read the above then the majority of your last post wasnt necessary.
I have been apart of every event run in ah except midway (I had just co'd BoB and just wanted to fly). Dont pressume to tell me about events.
For that matter fariz was right. He didnt wanna fly bombers and he didnt register to do so. On the IJN side we went without bombers rather then try to bully people into flying planes they dont want.
Events like the ct is about fun. Events arent some self sacrificing "take one for the team" bs. Thats not why folks fly them. If they were we would never be short bomber pilots.
If you look back at most of the events the guys that were on my side all had fun. Read the the allied forums from the last event you see quite a few disgruntled flyers. So dont tell me which style works because you would be wrong. This was the same as Niemen, happy axis, grumpy allies.
Blachwitch is great co and put up a fun fight we just had different ways of addressing the lack of bombers. We decided "so what" if we dont have bomber pilots and the allies expected that folks would just jump right over to fly and fill their bomber slots. Folks dont like bombers in events because the level of fun is low. Witch beat me convincingly in BoB when he didnt have to fill bomber slots. His startegy also was excellent. I had trouble filling ju88s with experienced pilots and we couldnt hit our assigned targets.
All I care about when co'ing or xo ing or just flying is that the guys around me have fun. Thats it. Win, loose or draw it doesnt matter.
With all your squeaking you could have applied to join the cm ct staff and you certainly can volunteer to Co the next event and show the rest of us how its done.
I fly other games like il2/fb. I have been on 2-3 hour misisons and no kills and have had a blast. But il2 looks good enough and the eng management, formation flying and SA keeps the fun level up. Ah has ugly cockpits, auto climb, dots that can be spotted at very long ranges. Theres just not enough going on to be fun. In FB 2 kills per hour isnt that bad. In ah 2 kills per hour is tedious and boring especially in something called the Combat Theater.
In the mission set up there will be more going on then just flying about. Attack approaches, proper positioning, wingman tactics, exit strategies etc...
None of that is important now even in events. The last event was the first time since big week that plane losses mattered. In the others it was kill building xxx and use your fighters to get your bombers to that building regardless of the costs. Its all about brute force and ultimately ends in a huge furball "fight to the death" where strategies and things like "mission kills" are irrelevant. In Niemen it was wave after wave of allied planes. Losses didnt matter as long as they captured a field. It was a miracle that we held out.
In the mt a small force could hold off a larger not by killing them all but preventing them from completing their mission. You just need cause or threaten to cause enough losses to turn them back. The death penalty allows for this, if not they would keep throwing themselves at the target until its dead. All these things may be alien to you so I dont expect you to understand them.
Different arenas have different types of fun. Its not about killing but the "fight" and everything it entails. "Fight" in the mt will have a different meaning then in the ct or even in events.
Just like our ideas of fun in the ct differ, you prefer quite areas and I like the areas with lotsa bad guys. You avoid dogfights, I look for them. I really dont care if thats what you like I just dont like getting caught up in those ridiculous chases that go round and round with nothing happening. Extend 10k away yo yo come back half assed ho atttempt run 10k yo yo repeat. I can avoid every ho so they wont kill me, I cant catch you so I cant kill them so here we go complete boredom. Sometimes the smack talk gets umm fired up enough to fight. A bit a friendly ribbing and if they dont bite I leave. I believe that harshest word I used was wuss. So dont try to portray my smack as anything more then just friendly taunting. "Run Forest Run", "Come back ya wuss", "ok I am done with the island tour". Thats about as bad as it gets. Oh forgot "this is boring".
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Bwahahahaha. You're not an event cod by far, Woe-tan. Defending self-centered brattish behavior in what is supposed to be a team-oriented event is about as stupid as one can get and still manage to find the internet. Your getting on the Allied player board and commenting on how much more fair, fun and better it was on the Axis side was childish and downright rude to Blackwitch and co.
The whole damned game is about fun, goof. The CT staff has had over a year to figure out how to design and present CT setups without changing their minds about "what's fair" a day or two after they change the map. That's stupid. And if you really cared about what was fun for all AH players, you'd work out ways to feature popular favorites when it comes to plane setups .... not make lame excuses time and again just because you're afraid that all the other Axis oriented players are as wussy as you are. You pretend to worry about what's fun for everyone but the only actual example you can offer is your own tear-filled experiences. Now concentrate hard ... just open that mind and read carefully:
If you want a furball .... fly where there's a furball. Even if a high F4U zooms in, you should be sweatin' buckets and breathing hard. If you don't fly to the furball and a Hog bounces you ... even if he makes it a one pass attempt and moves on, don't cry, you'll live .... go seek ye the furball. Don't tell me there haven't been any in the Okinawa setup. I've been in plenty - hog or no hog. If you haven't found any then you're even stupider than I thought. Don't worry so much about what the Hog driver finds fun versus what you find fun. It's not all about you. There's plenty of Allied pilots who don't fly conservatively, even in the Hog. Axis pilots are rackin up kills in record times. They appear to be having fun. If you're going to insist that none of them are having fun, see above about how your intelligence seems to be in a death spiral.
That should help you figure out how fun applies to a group and not just you. You're welcome.
Kanittori appears to know this and has worked hard to build something enjoyable for all of the Pacific CT fans (not just the Axis ones). Yet, even in the midst of praising his work you still feel obligated to cry some more about the F4U. Few take you seriously about it anymore. Do yourself a favor and get the clue. ;)
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My comments on the allied board were about allied tards who jumped fariz for not being a "team player". We didnt have that problem. These arent team oriented affairs. Folks want fun. Making folks fly a plane that isnt fun and bullying them with some idea of team is idiotic. Thats why there are high numbers of no shows and less then full registrations. Cos and xos should serve the interests of those registered not to pop off some orders like they are in the real military.
Fariz was co for both Niemen and Big Week. He never told folks who signed up to fly a particular plane they have to fly a different one and if they dont like it quit. Thats what went on the US board.
The next event volunteer as CO lets see how you do. If you want I will be the the other sides Co. I know the guys on my side will have a good time.
I have killed numerous f4us. I am not the one scared. I am not the one who runs 3 sectors claiming pilots wounds as a reason not to fight. I am not the one hiding behind "I cant turn fight". If you ever read book about energy fighting you may grasp what I am saying. I mean with a kd of .5 and 2 kills per hour shows you avoid fights when ever ya can because when you do fight you get jacked up quick. A .5 kd shows you dont mind dieing so what has conservative flying got you? After all some one is killing ya. Or is it just the ack?
I dont tell you how to fly but I call it like it is. Its not about furballs or kills. Its about the fight, whether its 1 v1 or 50 v 50. I get killed alot and it doesnt bother me. I fought dbltrbl in an a6m5 he was in an fm2. He whooped me good. It was damn fun. I got behind constel a couple of times. He was in an f6f and he took me for a ride. I got lucky and got a few kills but it was damn fun. I joined the furball off of 8 and was killed numerous times. It was still fun. I got killed 5 or 6 times by urchin it was fun. None of that follow the leader bs.
Check my a5 vrs spit 14 score from the last set up. Spit 14 is faster, climbs better and has decent turn. Its real quality plane. I still still could fight 3 v 1 and kill them with out being a wuss. I am at best average, Theres a million guys much better then me. Check my lifetime dhog scores, my kd was like 9 to 1 (using innominates scores).
So if my serving attitudes means good fun for all or if I talk smack about running bore and zzz'rs well your right. All I care about is fun.
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Fariz not wanting to rotate is no problem. His pizzing and moaning and making a big deal over it wasn't too cool but still not a problem. He could have dropped out and given his slot to someone else who wasn't a spoiled brat. But when he privately conversed with fellow scenario participants and told them to not bother showing up for frames in which they rotated to non-fighter slots and to not bother letting anyone know so arrangements could be made "just to teach the Allied CO a lesson" was pure chickenchit. Your willingness to not only condone such behavior but praise it shows what a lifetime brat you are.
And now that you're crying about my stats and theorizing what they mean (as if I'm supposed to be crushed by you telling me I'm as bad a sim hog driver as I've admitted all along), let me inform you that stats may be your ego reinforcment/security blanket but that don't really prove you know jack-squat about what makes the CT a success or not. That and you guessed wrong. I die most often in a furball. I just run strikes in between. ;) You may just want to keep bragging about your old CT track record and the phenomenal growth of the CT player base before your "retirement." ;)
Kanttori, great work man, keep it up. Your efforts keep things afloat. Maybe if others watch and learn, then the CT player base will grow.
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I didnt view your stats as a means to show off but you make claims of "flying conservatively" and "flying smart" and that your style of fighting is the only way to fly an f4u vrs jap planes. I think to myself hmm maybe he has a point. I mean when I flew the f4u-d I dont recall just flat running as soon as I saw a con. He must know what hes doing.
I then jump to the stat page hoping that maybe you know something I dont. Low and behold not only do you avoid fights (2 kills per hour) but when you do fight you get whooped.
So I wonder what the hell "conservative flying" can do for you.
I mean if you want just fly in circles, great, enjoy it. Just say that. Dont give me bs about "not turning" and "conservative flying".
Ranks, kd none of that means **** to me. Except to confirm that you are full of ****. My kd isnt that great, I get killed lots. I dont even know my "rank". I was one of the ones that never wanted stats compiled for the ct. But it was one of the top things folks requested.
The only time I say anything about your "fighting" style is when it effects me. The only smack talk you hear me say is "Run Forest Run" "you wuss" or "this is boring". Thats it . I then just leave and go elsewhere. If you feel thats me telling what to do, who cares? I just call it like I see it.
Fariz can do what he wants. If he felt strongly enough about being forced to quit an event and asks others to join him so be it. I wont pile on the guy because I know the contributions he has made to ah scenarios. And I also agree with his general point that folks should be able to pick the plane and people they want to fly with. During the whole "lottery" registration with sicily I was vocal against that. Not only did you not get a slot but you didnt even get to pick your flight or plane. Those he asked to join him in quitting made up their own minds. I never saw any comments from him saying that. I just read some 3rd hand rumor after the fact. I still dont put any faith that he said that after all he flew in the event and kicked arse. But fariz wasnt the only thing. The allies had guys killing each other, whining to each other etc. I dont think thats because of the allied co and my comment about fariz had no bearing on the allied co. It had to do with some on the allied side who from the start told fariz he didnt belong in scenarios because he wasnt a "team" player.
BTW that thread in which I commented on the fariz situation wasnt on the allied forums it was on the Guad general forum. It followed a post by a registered axis pilot who said he hoped the axis werent doing the same thing. The side forums werent even up yet. The side forums werent opened until after the event.
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Geez, Louise! I never claimed to be a perfect disciplined - conservative F4U sim pile-it. I said your crying about hog drivers flying they way they should against your Zeke is pathetic. :rolleyes:
My k/d ratio merely states that I'm getting killed more than killing right now. It's been better, it hasn't been much worse. My stats also reflect strike missions where I make a point to get past the enemy to the target (whether above, through or below) and back to reload and reup (though I started taking to looking for fights after my strikes ;)).My stats also reflect the number of times I crashed a heavy hog on takeoff. My stats also reflect the number of times I auged because something in real life demanded my immediate attention. My stats also reflect the occasional times I accidently leave something on in the background that pops up in flight (though, granted, that's rare). Right now my stats probably reflect that I'm typing in a forum after the terrain had already been reloaded for awhile and I'm "sitting in the tower."
My stats don't reflect that they have nothing to do with your tendency to cry over things that don't warrant it, but it should be an obvious "given.".
Woe-tan, you cry about the F4U too much, you know that? :D
p.s. Nope, what Fariz did wasn't "warranted." It shows a lack of character. Your support of it reveals as much about you. :rolleyes:
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In the limited ammount that I have flown the F4U I have found that it is one of the easiest aircraft for me to succeed in (maybe more extensive usage would indicate otherwise) and that it has far more options than "Eek, a Japanese plane. Quick, dive to the friendly ack!!!!". If that is all that it had it would have been pathetic, and it wasn't pathetic.
The F4U can use verticle zooms against any of the Japanese fighters, even the vaunted N1K2-J. It can out scissor any of the Japanese planes. Its roll rate and high speed handling our outstanding, far better that any Japanese plane.
Running is not its only option.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The F4U can use verticle zooms against any of the Japanese fighters, even the vaunted N1K2-J. It can out scissor any of the Japanese planes. Its roll rate and high speed handling our outstanding, far better that any Japanese plane.
Running is not its only option.
Interesting. I've only flown the F4U twice this setup, so my perspective is mainly from Axis side. Seems to me, though, that the F4U's zoom only works if the Corsair starts with a big energy advantage. The high speed handling only matters if you're going at high speed, which the Japanese plane set just can't do, so at minimum the Corsair is "extending." And while the roll rate could make the Corsair effective in scissors, its energy retention at low speeds makes it toast in most of the scissoring fights I've had with it.
All of which is to say that it seems to me the only thing the Corsair can do well is B & Z. Start it at an equal energy state and either the Nikki or the Tony are going to eat it up. In this setup, when I fly Axis (which is most of the time), I would much rather fight a Corsair than any other Allied plane.
So, if there's a trick to energy fighting in the Corsair (stall fighting is too much to expect), what is it?
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The big problem with trying to do zoom type rope maneuvers is that the NIK2 can do a virtical tail slide with full rudder control.
So if you think you can eat some 20mill then by all means rope away.
It is not impossible at all to beat a NIK2 in a full flown turning fight. You just have to be light on Ammo as well as fuel.
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Originally posted by Karnak
In the limited ammount that I have flown the F4U I have found that it is one of the easiest aircraft for me to succeed in (maybe more extensive usage would indicate otherwise) and that it has far more options than "Eek, a Japanese plane. Quick, dive to the friendly ack!!!!". If that is all that it had it would have been pathetic, and it wasn't pathetic.
The F4U can use verticle zooms against any of the Japanese fighters, even the vaunted N1K2-J. It can out scissor any of the Japanese planes. Its roll rate and high speed handling our outstanding, far better that any Japanese plane.
Running is not its only option.
Not an uncommon claim amongst IJ pilots, Karnak. Batz said the same thing in the arena but he declined invitations to give exhibitions. You would be welcome to take his place and show me how my scissoring should do more than buy time. I'll fly the Nik, it's pretty sweet.
But until that time I'll keep working on flying the Hog by striking and extending, trying to retain as much e as possible (and recommend that to others as well). And if I end up blowing it and having to try to scissor my way out of trouble (as I all too commonly do) with nobody to clear my six, I'll keep telling myself that I have the advantage. ;) :D
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I find the planeset to be unbalanced.
IMO:
IJN/IJA:
Carrier only:
A6m5b
A6m3 (or whatever the earlier zero in AH is)
Kate
Land based only:
Ki61
Ki67
C205 (fillerin for IJA fighter whose name escapes me here at work)
C47
Land based, rear fields
N1k-2
USAAC/USN
Carrier based:
F4U-D
F6F OR FM2 (choose 1 for balance, FM2 would be nicer imo)
TBM
SBD
Land Based
P47D25
C47
F4U-1 (marines)
B26
SBD
Land Based rearmost field:
P38L
Vehicles used by both sides:
M8
M3
M16
Flak
Boats by both sides:
PT Boat
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Declined your offer?, whatever, IJN is always out numbered. I fly with the side with less. I flew the FM2 on saturday when the us were outnumbered. It was the only cv left and then I augered on landing as the cv turned. More US came in so I went back jap.
The dhog is like flying a 190. Its better in some respects. Except for rudder aurthority which just feels weird to me in the f4us. When you made your "offer" brady and I were fighting 4 or 5 of yas. I wasnt about to switch to help you gang bang him. All the other cvs were sunk.
So quit being a handsomehunk. 5 on 1 means there would have been no one to kill.
The only reason brady and I flew over to the f4u-d cv was because it was either bellybutton rape jugs on the deck with 15 other guys or fly 20 miles and fight the milkrunners at 16. There were many of you and 2 of us (well drunky was in a ki 67). Instead of fighting as a team you all took turns running leaving the other guy to get killed.
As hard as you try to play this "well the hog is a tough plane to fly" bs you dont seem to realize we have flown it.
Energy fighting is the only way to fight against turning planes in 1 v 1. Its that way with a 109 vrs a spit, an f4f vrs an a6m2 etc. There are many good players that can help you see that.
Hell, fight urchin in a a6m5 with him in a jug otd. He whooped me numerous times.
I really dont care what you do except when its effects me. Then I'll call you on it and go else where.
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If he felt strongly enough about being forced to quit an event and asks others to join him so be it.
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I am quite puzzled. What I said which could lead into this conclusion?
I have not asked anyone to leave event. Actually event was quite instersting after all, though it had quite big stress attached. I hope they will not get into such "experiments" with forcing people around anymore.
BTW Wotan, I have a postmortem on Niemen, just sent it to Tilt. I explain the axis strategy considerations there. If you want a copy drop me a note pls.
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Yes fariz please send it to
Batz@fw-190.com
TIA
Fariz that quote above by is based on what Arlo says happened. I dont know anyhting about that and as I said I dont believe you did what he claims since you were in the event and kicked arse. But either way its not my concern.
Arlo says you whined about being forced into a bomber, threatened to quit and encouraged other pilots to mutiny.
My arguement with arlo was about events being fun and that forcing people who registered to fly a fighter into a plane they dont want to fly is wrong. Arlo feels you should have "taken one for the team", done what your told and like it.
I think events should be fun even at the expense of victory.
Please dont think I was criticizing you. If you can stomach it please read the thread.
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Originally posted by Batz
Declined your offer?, whatever, IJN is always out numbered. I fly with the side with less. I flew the FM2 on saturday when the us were outnumbered. It was the only cv left and then I augered on landing as the cv turned. More US came in so I went back jap.
The dhog is like flying a 190. Its better in some respects. Except for rudder aurthority which just feels weird to me in the f4us. When you made your "offer" brady and I were fighting 4 or 5 of yas. I wasnt about to switch to help you gang bang him. All the other cvs were sunk.
So quit being a handsomehunk. 5 on 1 means there would have been no one to kill.
The only reason brady and I flew over to the f4u-d cv was because it was either bellybutton rape jugs on the deck with 15 other guys or fly 20 miles and fight the milkrunners at 16. There were many of you and 2 of us (well drunky was in a ki 67). Instead of fighting as a team you all took turns running leaving the other guy to get killed.
As hard as you try to play this "well the hog is a tough plane to fly" bs you dont seem to realize we have flown it.
Energy fighting is the only way to fight against turning planes in 1 v 1. Its that way with a 109 vrs a spit, an f4f vrs an a6m2 etc. There are many good players that can help you see that.
Hell, fight urchin in a a6m5 with him in a jug otd. He whooped me numerous times.
I really dont care what you do except when its effects me. Then I'll call you on it and go else where.
Riiight. Who's being a dumbazz? Yeah, you changed yer tune the moment you were invited to show us "how it's done, hon." It quickly went from "I know how to get mega-kills in a Hog versus any IJ plane without keeping it fast" to "Me and Brady will take any two of you co-alt and on our terms - you flying Hogs us flying Zekes."
Just how were you going to really show us how great you were in the hog without an equal number of hog drivers going opfor? Did you really think anything else could have been implied? That's pretty thick.
You flew the FM2, well good for you! It's the only U.S. plane that can out-turn IJ planes. *chuckle* (shakes head)
Geez ... I can dig that you're stupid and all but you're really trying hard to take it to extremes. ;)
Now ... the phrase "put up or shut up" comes to mind but it'll undoubtedly be met with more excuses and whinin. Show us Allies about energy fighting and that it takes speed, shallow turns, gentle rolls and reversals, climbing extentions, chandelles, feints and swoop approaches. Oh wait ... the planets aren't aligned just right yet. :D
And so you made a choice to take an extra couple of minutes to fight on the other side of the island. Congrats on figuring out that it doesn't take much to hop to that coast to defend it. Crying about "milkrunning" and all. Hell, bout everyone hittin that side was wonderin' why the IJ players were scared to try to stop it. Glad you decided you had a pair. You did ok. Which, of course, is another "excuse" to pizz and moan, apparently. :rolleyes:
You whine too damned much about nuthin', really. The only reason I can really gather from all your crying is a dedicated political tactic to continue to try to convince everyone that the F4U in any CT Pac setup is a horrible mistake ... in spite of it having been proven otherwise twice in the last month. :D
Why make a big deal about exposin yer wet diaper before you go elsewhere? Why not just go elsewhere and save yerself the embarrassment?
But .... yeah, it's obvious that whackin you repeatedly on yer noggin with a clue rake about that will only make you cry louder. Guess I need to just stop and not worry bout it.
Yeah ...
Yeah .. that's the ticket ....
Yeah ....
I should ....
;)
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Originally posted by Batz
Yes fariz please send it to
Batz@fw-190.com
TIA
Fariz that quote above by is based on what Arlo says happened. I dont know anyhting about that and as I said I dont believe you did what he claims since you were in the event and kicked arse. But either way its not my concern.
Arlo says you whined about being forced into a bomber, threatened to quit and encouraged other pilots to mutiny.
My arguement with arlo was about events being fun and that forcing people who registered to fly a fighter into a plane they dont want to fly is wrong. Arlo feels you should have "taken one for the team", done what your told and like it.
I think events should be fun even at the expense of victory.
Please dont think I was criticizing you. If you can stomach it please read the thread.
He flew the event because he was able to cry his way into a fighter slot for all four frames. Other players made the sacrifice for him to do so. I even tried to accomodate him. That was fine.
How well he flew in it isn't even an issue. You tend to let that distract you about alot of things.
Several of Fariz's runnin buddies decided they didn't have to show up for frames they didn't like after Fariz made a stink over being forced to fly anything other than what he liked to fly and they also "all coincidently decided" they didn't have to bother notifying anyone so arrangements could be made that didn't leave the Allied side short (they were all in the same divebomber unit). Someone posted that one of the players spilled the beans on recieving an email from Fariz recommending they do just what they did ... addressed to the parties involved. Apparently an issue of anonimity was involved so, the smoking gun stayed hidden. Of course, maybe Fariz wouldn't do anything of the sort. I mean, after all, he's obviously a team-oriented player and wouldn't dream of screwing over others to get his own way. :rolleyes:
Paper dolls cut from the same sheet of paper, the lot of yas. :D
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Put up? I have put up I told ya, me = dhog 9 to 1 kd.
Yes you are a handsomehunk, The only fight you dhogs had was me and brady. As I said no one could be bothered to interupt the milkrunning. We only came there because all the other cvs were sunk. We were outnumberd and you still ran. I fought you at 24 you ran, I fought you at a16 you ran. You are a wuss, a liar (check fariz's reply to your accusations he told others to quit) and full of ****.
If when I enter into the ct the alllies are out numbered I will fly what ever plane is closest to the fight, I certainly wont tour the map in an f4u looking for a fight. If its more then 25 miles fug it thats no fun. Nor would I have joined you in the 6 on 1 and gangbang brady (who left that area to btw, Drunky logged to as he got bored as well.) I landed at 14 with 20% gas left after 15 min of playing follow the leader avoid ho repeat. I looked at he map saw 4 or 5 red dots S of 8 and went there for a couple of sorties and logged. Just like any other night. The fm2 cant out turn me in a jap plane. I didnt turn fight in it. So there you go again showing you are clueless as to how to fight. Besides it was the only cv close to the fight.
My whining consisted of telling you what you are, a sorry whiney squeak that is such a wuss the only success you have is boring people to death.
I will remind you of that when ever I "fight" ya so you dont forget.
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Originally posted by Batz
Yes fariz please send it to
Batz@fw-190.com
cc, have sent it. Will apreciate comments.
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Yeah .... what I thought. Ya poo-c. ;)
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Fariz denies what you said that he tried to gte folks to quit. He hasnt lied to me you have.
He can respond to your bs as he wishes. He still did better then you. But I guess you were either taking one for the team or just being conservative.
:rolleyes:
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I'm a liar? You mean I really didn't see Fariz make a pizzy stink about not getting his way? You mean other allied pilots that were friends of Fariz didn't skip frames en masse that had them flying planes they didn't feel like flying and or they did actually inform someone, anyone, so to avoid sabotaging their own team? You mean I didn't see the post where someone said one of the players involved told him he was e-mailed by Fariz with instructions to do exactly what he did?
Which of that, in all or in part, is a lie again? You throw out terms much like a random word generator.
And you're the poo-c. The challenge will be left standing. And will be left standing. You can make one last whine or excuse if you want (well, actually you can whine on endlessly about it - you probably will) but your bluff was called and you reacted true to nature. But we'll let this all die down so you can pretend otherwise, if ya want. Admit it, that's what you despirately want at this point. ;)
Personally, I've never rejected an opportunity to teach or learn a lesson. It's how respect is earned ... for one or the other (though most often both). I know ... it's like you're reading Greek or somethin'. ;)
ttyl poo-c.
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I dont need you to respect me, like or even care what I think. But should I end up in an f4u I will ley ya know.
You are a liar in that your portrayal of hows things are or were is purposefully wrong. I read on the allied board where 1 guy said he heard from another unnamed guy that fariz said xx. Childish bull**** that you pass off as fact.
Facts are fariz didnt wanna fly a bomber, he didnt sign up for one and was concerned that a new policy was being enacted that denied the player the right to decide his plane of choice. Fariz is/was right. Despite all that he did fly and contribute far more then you for the allies.
You must be bitter over that but theres no need to lie. Just like your portrayal of that "challenge". I have challenged you numerous times to step and and volunteer to co an event or join the ct staff. Put up or shut up whaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaa
You lied about this flying conservative crap. I was there you werent conservative you were a wuss.
So why you think I need to prove anything to you or that I would at the very least inconvenience myself to meet a "tardlo challenge" is laughable. If you doudt my claims there is a record you can go check. When you made outrageous claims of smart flying and other bs I didnt need to dare you, I just checked the stats. They confirmed everything I have said. Should the circumstances arise and the allies are out numbered and the f4u cv isnt sunk or 50 miles away I will run up some quick kills and let you know. I dont think I even ever flew the f4u-1 so I may fly 1 before this setup ends just to say I have. But its of little concern to me what you think. I certainly wont be flying it in the area where you will be hiding at.
It certainly wont encourage you to fight.
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Man ... that's a helluva alot of excuses and whinin! :)
Sure ... I'd love to join the CT staff. Thanks for askin. Pull some strings and make it happen. Let's see how fast this happens. :D
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Interesting. I've only flown the F4U twice this setup, so my perspective is mainly from Axis side. Seems to me, though, that the F4U's zoom only works if the Corsair starts with a big energy advantage. The high speed handling only matters if you're going at high speed, which the Japanese plane set just can't do, so at minimum the Corsair is "extending." And while the roll rate could make the Corsair effective in scissors, its energy retention at low speeds makes it toast in most of the scissoring fights I've had with it.
All of which is to say that it seems to me the only thing the Corsair can do well is B & Z. Start it at an equal energy state and either the Nikki or the Tony are going to eat it up. In this setup, when I fly Axis (which is most of the time), I would much rather fight a Corsair than any other Allied plane.
So, if there's a trick to energy fighting in the Corsair (stall fighting is too much to expect), what is it?
- oldman
If the F4U starts co-E with any Japanese plane that we have the pilot of said F4U has already screwed up. The F4U should have a minimum speed (which is energy) advantage of 30mph. It should be able to take the fight verticle against the N1K2 for a short time, but the pilot will have to extend away before too long if the N1K2 has not been downed. Against the Ki-61 the F4U should dominate any verticle fight.
The keep the fight fast all you need is altitude and an aggressive Japanese opponent, which most are forced to be due to their speed deficate.
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(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Info/tardlo01.jpg)
Just minutes ago
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Info/tardlo03.jpg)
Better kd then in a zeke
I switched back because of the numbers below.
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/Info/tardlo02.jpg)
Well that and the fleet was to far away to fly around looking for just 13 enemy.
the f4u-1 fleet was way out of range.
If later in the week theres an actual fight to be found I will go back allies.
So when you gonna put up tardlo?
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No son, you were invited to show me, in person "the right way to 'energy fight' a hog." You in the hog, me in whatever IJ fighter you want me in (actually I wanted a Nik but I figure you're afraid of that matchup). Not you grabbin a hog and lookin for someone uppin on a runway to vulch and then posting your kills to 'prove' your point. But nice try. ;)
But no matter. I responded that I accept "your invitation" to become a CT staffer. Grease them wheels, amigo. If ya "can't" beat `em ... join `em then beat `em ... I say. :D
Get on it. I don't want any more whiney excuses. Chop-chop, hop sing!
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what the fek are talking about. I told you to ask for help in energy fighting. I told you I dont care enough about you to help you with anything. I never heard you say fight me in a niki. If ya need tips buy a book or ask a trainer.
Urchin is a trainer ask him.
All the kills I just got in the dhog were "energy fighting". I fought 2 ki 61s vrs me, it was macci and another dude. I worked 1 down, they had 3 k on me and we ended up 4 k or so. 1 stayed perched while the other engaged. When the other engaged I went into him and up rolled back, after a few turns he pops out in front. He goes hard left and as I pull lead he partner nails me. A good 5 min fight salutes all round.
Second fight, I was 9k slightly higher then 2 nikis and a a6m5. The a6m5 turns into me and pulled to hit me from underneath, I pull up kick rudder flop a bit then get my nose down and fire. I only fire 2 machine guns because my stick is set fer cannon birds. But hes hurt and leaves.
By this time one of the other nikis locks ded 6. After a few scissor at lo speed 50% throttle flaps and quick reverses he slips by and I kill him. The other I see bearing down on me. I try to slip under his nose but get nailed by tuck.
Next fight is 10 min flight time to fight because the fleet has moved. I get to a12 where soulyss is fighting several ki 61s. I kill a couple before another locks on my 6. I extended through a8 field ack ack to get him off me. He was d250 and I was scissoring like mad he wouldnt shake. Ack cleared my 6. I kill a couple then see Urchin dragging a niki and several others. I slip in on the niki and nail him. I head back north to see another ki 61 and kill him. Then Im outa gas and rtb. I ground loop so no rearm. The axis are down to 13 guys and with the long flight again I say f'it.
You cant fight any better then the guys I just fought. So stfu. Besides its not about "skillz" its about fun. You claim the only way to fly a f4u is to "be conservative" Well BS.
The ct staffer invite happened way before these last few guys were picked. I didnt see where you volunteered but email pyro or skuzzy they may let ya. Its got nothing to do with me.
But the word is this map will be used in an event. Ill co if you will. (if the cms agree).
I'll take either side just so theres no "you had nikis".
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Hey ... you ain't gotta make no excuses so don't. I checked with Brady on the CT staff thing. Apparently there'll be no openings anytime soon. ;) I've got too much of a real life to CO scenarios right now but the CT option sounded ok. Only 4 with 2 reserves, eh? You'd think there'd be more. Oh well, I tried. More than you can say. :D
Thanks for playin, your concession prize is at the door (or maybe not). ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'm a liar? You mean I really didn't see Fariz make a pizzy stink about not getting his way? You mean other allied pilots that were friends of Fariz didn't skip frames en masse that had them flying planes they didn't feel like flying and or they did actually inform someone, anyone, so to avoid sabotaging their own team? You mean I didn't see the post where someone said one of the players involved told him he was e-mailed by Fariz with instructions to do exactly what he did?
Which of that, in all or in part, is a lie again? You throw out terms much like a random word generator.
Nice to know that I have masses of friends who so readily followed me, but will apreciate to hear their names pls. I also paid attention that you have major problems with logic. If I asked friends to follow me, they will do as I did, i.e. fly all frames in fighters.
What is the post your refer too, about this email I wrote? If it were on the deleted Guadalcanal forums, can you provide me with a names pls? Lets find this black email I sent and make it public! Would be difficult making public something which never existed though.
Now how bad of a team player I am. I shot down 14 planes during event (12 in logs), including several bombers, dammaged few more, cleared friendly 6s several time, found a fleet when on patrol duty, followed the chain of command and orders, and was shot down once, attacking bombers to prevent a field bombrun. That is considering I lost connect at first minutes of frame 2 and could not participate in this frame. I also were kept as a scout at 15k all 1st and half of 3rd frame which prevented me from getting many good oportunities for fighting.
Now about you, in frame 1 you died in bomber without doing any dammage. In frame 2 you killed 2 fighters and died. In frame 3 have not showed up or died before the logs were opened. In frame 4 you have not showed up. It maked 2 kills 2 death 1 no showup, + 1 possible no showup or early death.
Arlo, you will make good, if stop making fool out of yourself.
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We need an Arlo vs Batz forum:D
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Originally posted by Fariz
Nice to know that I have masses of friends who so readily followed me, but will apreciate to hear their names pls. I also paid attention that you have major problems with logic. If I asked friends to follow me, they will do as I did, i.e. fly all frames in fighters.
What is the post your refer too, about this email I wrote? If it were on the deleted Guadalcanal forums, can you provide me with a names pls? Lets find this black email I sent and make it public! Would be difficult making public something which never existed though.
Now how bad of a team player I am. I shot down 14 planes during event (12 in logs), including several bombers, dammaged few more, cleared friendly 6s several time, found a fleet when on patrol duty, followed the chain of command and orders, and was shot down once, attacking bombers to prevent a field bombrun. That is considering I lost connect at first minutes of frame 2 and could not participate in this frame. I also were kept as a scout at 15k all 1st and half of 3rd frame which prevented me from getting many good oportunities for fighting.
Now about you, in frame 1 you died in bomber without doing any dammage. In frame 2 you killed 2 fighters and died. In frame 3 have not showed up or died before the logs were opened. In frame 4 you have not showed up. It maked 2 kills 2 death 1 no showup, + 1 possible no showup or early death.
Arlo, you will make good, if stop making fool out of yourself.
Hey ... you flew your and other player's fighters real good. Didn't say otherwise. I dropped a bomb on a carrier from an SBD in frame one, killed a couple zekes (and damaged another) in frame two and informed my CO that I wasn't going to be able to make frames 3 and 4 the moment I found out work was going to interfere.
In other words, I followed orders and didn't whine about it and when real life made further participation impossible, I reluctantly but immediately let the COC know.
Now while all of that may make you the perfect scenario participant and me the worst, in your (and Bratz) eyes, it doesn't excuse your spoiled brat attitude as far as I'm concerned. Truly you should have just backed out of the event instead of insisting everyone else make sacrifices so you could shine in a fighter all four frames.
Yep, I mentioned the post that another player posted talking of you emailing the group of players that, as a group, boycotted frames that had them slotted for non-fighter slots ... without bothering to notify anyone so the US side would "feel the loss of their presense." Nope, I have neither a copy of the "alleged" email nor did I even save the post that refered to it. Yep, it's conjecture at this point (though I'm pretty comfortable making it). I'm sure their (the boycotting players) similar attitude to yours and consequent actions during the event was mere coincidence. :rolleyes: Ahem. However, there are many players from that event who wouldn't have you in their units in any future event if they can help it. Apparently some had more of a negative impression from your self-centered "It's all about me" attitude than a good impression from your brilliant kill record for the event.
I'm sure Bratz will always make sure you have a fighter slot on his side when he commands. So don't let my disgust for you make a dent in your perception of yourself. After all, it shouldn't. In that I'm sure we agree. :D I merely mentioned you in comparison to Bratz and his obvious pov of what events are all about (yeah, I didn't have to and probably shouldn't have bothered). Yep, both of you are right. It's all about you. ;)
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Originally posted by Slash27
We need an Arlo vs Batz forum:D
Wacky fun. Errrr ..... :eek:
(Yeah .. I hear ya. My bad.) :o
:D
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Now how bad of a team player I am. I shot down 14 planes during event (12 in logs), including several bombers, dammaged few more, cleared friendly 6s several time, found a fleet when on patrol duty, followed the chain of command and orders, and was shot down once, attacking bombers to prevent a field bombrun. That is considering I lost connect at first minutes of frame 2 and could not participate in this frame. I also were kept as a scout at 15k all 1st and half of 3rd frame which prevented me from getting many good oportunities for fighting.
It would seem that he was much more a "team" player then you. As if it matters. I doudt you were even missed in the last 2 frames. Suicide divebombers are a dime a dozen.
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Oh yeah. He's a right stand-up team oriented guy who's more concerned about the needs of the group than he is about his own desires. And you're the champion of fun and fair play for the CT.
That's what you want to hear right? I mean, if you've already got yourself fooled what's the point? Better I just smile knowingly and nod. Got me fooled too. You bet. *ShruG* :D