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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on November 26, 2001, 06:59:00 AM
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Come on. Using the check 6 call to pull me off a con so you can get in?
That don't work. First, I don't usually engage without knowing the situation. SA I believe it's called. Secondly, unless it's someone I've been flying with for the past 2 or more years, I don't pay attention to it anyway.
Find another way or maybe learn some BCM and get there first?
For the naysayers. Yep, happened on several occassions. Yes, newbies. Yes, they could be having trouble with aircraft position. No, I didn't call them on it.
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This has happened to me a lot,real sad,I ignore these little tits too,like you,unless its from somone I know.Quit doing it now.
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Well, I have done it to you unintentionally. I have it mapped to my Pro Throttle, and occasionally it doesn't cycle fast enough and the call goes to the wrong guy. Game name is Dolomyte. ;)
Yes, I have had people do it to pull me off a con I have saddled- when I am sure that happens I leave the area and them to themselves.
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What Kieran said. And I always send off a quick "Sorry!" if I pass a "check 6" to someone I'd not intended too.
I've not had it happen to me yet. Probably should fly more :) But if this is truly happening it would not surprise me. It was only a matter of time and the arrival of someone(s) desperate enough to have to use that type of shinanigan to get a kill.
Westy
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Not everybody is skilled like you Apache :D
Some people choose to keep behind a bogey after quick-but-careful calculation. They know how much time they have to down their prey, and if the time is up, they break off and run promptly... but for the majority, judging if one is safe or not doesn't come so easy.. and at those situations I try to give out a check 6 call.
Really, giving a check 6 call when a bogey is within 1.5k range of you is not very useful for the untalented people like me :D... and thus, I try to give most of my warnings a bit early.
I give a check 6 call, and a short explanation of the situation..(.. like "Spit 6 high, diving..." ).. and if he still chooses to fight despite danger, I just give it a shrug and go my way... no point trying to help a guy in trouble when he was fore-warned, and advised to break off to safety. :rolleyes:
So, some of the calls you got might have been intended as a pure gesture :) .. but still, giving out a fakey to go in for the kill yourself is one of the lamest things I can imagine in AH. Don't mind those dorks...
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I have a tendancy to give alot of 6 calls. I've noticed a few quirks and flaws to the system as a result.
Sometimes I'm not able to select the pilot that needs the call... the highlight will stick on another friendly and not leave him. That means the 6 call goes to the guy that is chasing the bandit about to engage the guy I intended to call 6 for. It happens.
I've also had situations where at distance 3.8k or so it looked like the enemy was behind the friendly, but closing to 3.7 showed that not to be the case... and a 6 call was mistakingly sent.
But I do believe what you say happens. In that case, Kweassa pretty much summed it up.
AKDejaVu
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Lately there have been so many planes in one area that it's tough to cycle thru them all to highlight the guy you want. I'm sure I've inadvertently given a few bogus check 6 calls. Personally, I'd rather get a bogus check 6 call than none at all.
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Yup, I like the "check six" feature and send many in a furball, but sometimes the situation occurs where the wrong guy gets it or the intended is not in any danger.
If someone is in serious trouble, I will send two or more spaced 5-10 sec apart. Usually the vets will vv(cc) the six call and I can get on with avoiding death myself.
Many, many times I have lost position on a bogey or blown my SA to send the "check 6". To use it for any purpose other than to help your teammates is the ultimate in dweebery.
Perhaps those repeat offenders can be identified and we all can continually flood them with HiTech's lovely voice.
F.
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Funny how there's no team play, nobody gives a damn about anyone else, yet people seem to have the habit of giving out "check 6" calls. Ok, please answer me honestly now. Is it to distract the person, or is it a habit watching someones arse? :confused:
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Apache:
I've gotten them when I am taking off; when I am saddled up on an nme and I can see 3 or 4 countrymen behind me and want me outta the way (sad but true) and I also have gotten them when an nme is coming toward me and not from behind me (This may be due to the way the countryman sees the nme a/c or the attitude of my a/c). By far, the worst is when a dweeb does it to get you out of the way :( The only thing I have come to realize is that there is no substitute for my own SA.
Hehe, I cannot account for the explosions which occur behind me as I am saddled up on an nme :) Perhaps they were victims of kill shooter :) I wish I knew it if and when it happens though, would make me feel all warm inside :)
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Funny how there's no team play, nobody gives a damn about anyone else....
Come to think of it. Judging from the recent display of your sparkling personality here on the boards did it ever occur that perhaps the folks online didn't want to play with you (let you join in or watch out for you) for good reasons? Pretty hard to say why you seem to have been ignored and shunned when you won't give your online handle that you used. Maybe there is a reason behind that on your part. Me thinks there is.
I think a a handle to change to "Rudolph" would be apropo in light of the holiday season and how you weren't invited to play in the reindeer games with the rest. ;
Westy
[ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]
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If I see some bugger on my side going in to steal my kill (I'm talking obvious: the enemy's wings are gone, he's belching death smoke, pieces are fluttering down, etc) then I'll give him a quick check 6 to make him think twice about being a total jerk. It's much quicker than typing "he's dead" and hoping it will be read. IMHO this is the only situation where a bogus 6 call is acceptable.
I never ever give a check 6 in order to make someone on my side peel off so that I can take a crack at the bogie. Once in while I'll give an accidental check 6, but I'm getting better at keeping this to a minimum. It seems that whatever icon is closest to the center of the screen is the one that will get the call, so I try to center it before sending.
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Accidental Check 6's happen, I try to appologise if I send out an inintended one. While in a PT I've used Check 6's to let a friendly, who's in a bad situation, know that I'm ready for a low pass over me so I can help out...this works both ways very well :D
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6 calls are an odd thing, if your not fast enough on the keyboard, you end up calling the wrong guys 6. Ive done this many times.
If im gona steal a kill, ill do it outright. Though its not actually stealing, more like fixation. See target, kill target.
Im sure that 90% of the 6 calls you get were not even intended for you.
Dog out.......
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same here lars, ive used chck 6 on people when IM in trouble :) its a way of getting their attention when you have a bogey on yer bellybutton but its a rare event.
i use chk 6 for its intended purpose ie to let people know they are being attacked and yes I sometimes get it wrong but to be honest I prefer to get a mistaken chk 6 now and then than no chk 6 at all.
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Originally posted by O'Westy:
Funny how there's no team play, nobody gives a damn about anyone else....
Come to think of it. Judging from the recent display of your sparkling personality here on the boards did it ever occur that perhaps the folks online didn't want to play with you (let you join in or watch out for you) for good reasons? Pretty hard to say why you seem to have been ignored and shunned when you won't give your online handle that you used. Maybe there is a reason behind that on your part. Me thinks there is.
I think a a handle to change to "Rudolph" would be apropo in light of the holiday season and how you weren't invited to play in the reindeer games with the rest. ;
Westy
LOL...I understood about 5 per cent of this post. :D I already said what my handle was in a previous post. It was Tempest 9, if you want to know. And I did get to play with all the other reindeers. Some unicorns too...as a matter of fact. :D :p
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I get them at good times and bad. I take them for what they are worth. Mostly they come from good intentions. I need to change the Wav. from the standard Check Six to a car horn going "beep beep"
My Problem is, I dont know how to select the guy I should send one too. Thus, I never give them. There are time I would like too.
What I dont like, is guys whining over the radio. "Thanks for the 6 call NOT!". Like its mine or anyone elses fault someone got shotdown. I think SA is your responsiblity. If your fixated on a target and someone drop in kills you, you need to remember too look around.
"And thats all I have to say about that" (stone cold)
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<S> all. lol, most of you fall into the category of "someone I've been flying with for the past 2 or more years", with a few exceptions.
No, I'm speaking of 3 rooks (newbies) in this particular case. Heck, 1 of seemed to be everywhere I was and hit me 6 times in a 2 hour span, same scenario. I began setting him up & watching for it :) Either its intentional or he needs to RTFM.
[ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: Apache ]
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I mapped the target cycle to my JS, and left the "check 6" as is (tile key)... what I've noticed is that your head has to remain turned in direction of who's 6 your callin' and the lockon seems to sometimes jump to the friendly con nearest the center of the view, so I sometimes end up callin the wrong 6.
I kinda liked the WB 6 call where ya used the mouse to select the friendly con, but then again, I didn't like releasing my JS to grab the mouse in a furball.
Guess it make yet another strong arguement for joining a squad and using voice comms as my squaddies always hear me yell for help and are pretty quick to tell me I have a con on my tail.
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This last week i have had several calls to check 6 when all there is behind me is a conga line trying to get the con in my sights.
There is no doubt in my mind that we have been joined by some players who will stop at nothing to get you outa there way.
I guess they have probably learnt about killshooter now and consider these false check 6 calls the next best thing.
And no its not the normal background mistaken 6 calls that you sometimes get, these are deliberate get outa my way amazinhunk i wanna kill him calls.
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This last week i have had several calls to check 6 when all there is behind me is a conga line trying to get the con in my sights.
LOL! This is a very good way of referring to the often seen line chase of 5 or 6 guys chasing 1 poor low and out of E nme desperately trying to live a little while longer. Thanks for the descriptor :)
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier:
This last week i have had several calls to check 6 when all there is behind me is a conga line trying to get the con in my sights.
There is no doubt in my mind that we have been joined by some players who will stop at nothing to get you outa there way.
I guess they have probably learnt about killshooter now and consider these false check 6 calls the next best thing.
And no its not the normal background mistaken 6 calls that you sometimes get, these are deliberate get outa my way amazinhunk i wanna kill him calls.
Bingo, You got it. You got to the point better than I did. :)
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Sheesh. OK, so you are 600yds behind an nme, and you are pingin away with 50 cal. lasers, maybe even getting hits, when a countryman with more E and bigger guns pulls in 200 yds behind the nme and blows him away.
What can we learn from this?
A. The enemy is dead.
B. See A
C. Its time to thank your COUNTRYMAN for the help and move on.
D. See A again
That is all (go team)
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600 yards? You actually fire that fire away?
Anyway. Agreed, the enemy is dead. Why shouldn't the person giving the bogus 6 call think the same?
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Originally posted by Apache:
Come on. Using the check 6 call to pull me off a con so you can get in?
I believe I've read somewhere that this actually happened a lot late in the war in the 8th Air Force, as targets became scarce.
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As I think about it this, I now remember that a couple of sure kills have escaped me as a result of my maneuvering to visually check 6 after someone on my side has sent me a bogus check 6. This usually happened as I was close enough to take a relatively easy shot, and was about to do so. Looking back to check 6, I remember seeing nothing but green icons. Looking forward again, the con is gleefully pulling away from me and everyone else. Thanks for that 6-call, buddy.
:mad:
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Hmm, I think its rare. First, the check-6 call has a habit of sticking to the wrong guy. Second, some people hit it accidentally, 50% of the time they apologise. Third I have had it called when I've been right up a guys 6, the guy calling it was d3-4 away, obviously the close proximity looked like the bandit was on me (ie there was no way the caller was trying to get me out of the way).
I think its the exception - not the rule, besides, some of these newbies who try this will get a nasty suprise if they pull someone off somelike hb, drex, kb, ziggy, and so on. Doesn't take long for an experienced pile-it to turn the tables - and there are plenty in the MA.
My suggestion is if they do pull you off, leave em to be slaughtered.
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This has happened to me a few times (this tour, didn't happen before this tour), the good thing with p51 is I have decent view of my 6'o clock and thus haven't been fooled by this.
But on the matter I am very carefull in giving out 6 calls and don't do it as much as I would like to because I don't want to give a wrong call.
So my question is if there are several friendly ACs in my 12 view whats the best way to give a check 6 to the one i want to? Point the crosshair then do a check 6?
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I'd rather have a few false 6 calls than none. Also, sometimes you see a friend and enemy at a distance too far to size up who is on who. Often I pump out a 6 just to make sure the friendly is aware the threat is near. Again....err on the side of caution.
Jarbo
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I have turned down the volume on my Check 6 call. There is a slider for this in your sound settings. This way I don't jump out of my skin when someone gives me a check 6 call. False 6 calls are less anoying this way. I also have a bad habbit of doing it to squad mates when they go AFK for a drink for to the bathroom. Brings them back fast with a wet leg :)
I agree with Grimm, SA is your responsibility. I appreciate check 6 calls when I am flying to the fight and may not be expecting company. But when I am engaged, in a furball, they are not needed.
Gunner <CAF>
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Speakin' of kill stealing, nothing bugs me more than taking the time to close too d200, holding your fire all the way and seeing shots fired over you from some guy d800 from the enemy. First you think your being shot at and you check and its your own teammate. But I suppose I'm preaching to the choir here...
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Originally posted by Apache:
600 yards? You actually fire that fire away?
Seems like everyone does. ;) In a Spit, I'll do it with the .303s, mainly because I'm not going to use them close quarters over the Hispanos. :) It won't do a thing to the con, but sometimes it scares them into turning.
A week or so ago, I felt silly, so I JABOed in a La7. Attacked the city with the bombs and most of the 20mm ammo. Ran out of ammo fighting, so I went low and headed for home. Get a N1K2 following me about d700 and I'm pulling away from him slowly. He sprays at me the entire way, up until D1.1K where glasses and someone else caught him and dispatched him. I know the George has a good ammo count for it's quad 20mms, but he had to be almost empty by the time they got him, and he never got a ping. I'm surprised when I see Spits spraying. only 120 rounds per cannon, why waste it when you'll only get lucky 10% of the time?
Oh, I haven't gotten 6 calls to pull me off a con yet, well, it's possible. I just attributed it to someone else being the intended recipient of the 6 call. I know my chk 6 button on my Saitek doesn't like to cycle well at all.
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Sheesh. OK, so you are 600yds behind an nme, and you are pingin away with 50 cal. lasers, maybe even getting hits, when a countryman with more E and bigger guns pulls in 200 yds behind the nme and blows him away.
What can we learn from this?
A. The enemy is dead.
B. See A
C. Its time to thank your COUNTRYMAN for the help and move on.
D. See A again
That is all (go team)
The only problem with that scenario is when your "buddy" drops in front of you at d200 from target while you're firing and you die as a result of killshooter. That's happening a lot more lately too.
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The Only Sportsman and chivilerous thing to do is have Enemy 6 Call. Before the enemy shoots you, He gives ya a 6 call. Muhahahahaaa.......
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I havent had this scenerio happen to me yet. But i do understand sometimes you give the call to the wrong guy un-intenionaly.
He may have been trying to scare you, mistaking you for a newbie, due to you being in that ugly Sissyfire apache :D :D (j/k)
Seriously though who ever is doing this on purpose is a idiot.
Who was it? so i know who not to give a 6 call to when it counts.
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Originally posted by Am0n:
I havent had this scenerio happen to me yet. But i do understand sometimes you give the call to the wrong guy un-intenionaly.
I've never had this happen to me either, at least as far as I can tell. I wonder how much of it is really perception versus reality. In any event, I'm always happier to have a six call than not, bogus or otherwise.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Perception versus reality. we could spend days there, lol.
It is "my perception" :), that this was most likely intentional. Why give me a 6 call when you're (metaphorically) the one on my 6?
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Last night I chased a Spit who was trying to shoot down one of our buffs. He was smoking and I was saddled up about d300 of his 6 lining up my shot. I see tracers swarming around me and I do a barrel roll out of the line of fire. Sure enough, there's 2 countrymates about 400 behind me trying to get the kill. I had already taken half of the Spits wing off, so I let it go and got the kill. When I ask this guy WTF he was doing, he goes off about how it was his kill...then he actually blames me because he got killshootered from spraying me. According to him, I was "blocking his line of fire." It was good for a laugh.
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Check 6 is about useless now. I've had a few of the bogus calls that I can fairly say were designed to get the kill, but that's not what bugs me (at least until they become more common :( . What I find distracting is the lack of check 6 calls in general of late.
For those who do/have called my 6 recently -- <S!> And I know that in the heat of battle it can be hard to call every six. I had someone complain to me once when, frankly, I was being shot at just like he was (we were both outnumbered in the fight). I didn't complain the two times in the fight I found someone on my tail by the tracers flying by and understood that he was a bit to busy to be monitoring my SA in that situation. He didn't feel the same. But, there are a lot of cases where a number of friendlies apparently don't want to distract the bogey who has slipped on my low six by having me manuver.
In general, the Check 6 call can lead to a false sense of security (there's only two enemies and five friendlies -- they'll let me know if the other enemy decides to go for me). The healthy mindset is to never expect a call regrardless of the situation, and to always check your own six even (and especially) before taking the shot. Bad calls are not a surprise then, good calls are accpeted in the spirit given (sometimes though, I see the enemy and an timing the break :) and the occasionally useful six call is really appreciated.
Charon
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]
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Originally posted by Raubvogel:
he goes off about how it was his kill...then he actually blames me because he got killshootered from spraying me. According to him, I was "blocking his line of fire." It was good for a laugh.
OK, This my way of looking at it. Who cares about scoring the Kill. Im not big on score. Oh sure, If I end with a good K/D Im going to be happy. But really just having a good time is all that is important to me.
The last thing I would do is argue about whos kill it is. If I got credit, and I could transfer it I would.
It reminds me of Deer hunting and you shoot a deer, and another hunter shows up in a few minutes and says he trailed it and its his. Then the fool pulls a bead on you claiming his deer. Crap its not that big deal, either is kill credit in the game.
Just my warped out look.
"my mind is so warped.. I need an orthopedic hat"...