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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Imsneaky on June 02, 2003, 05:36:20 PM
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Hello Gentleman.
First let me introduce myself. I am an 18 year veteran in the U.S. Navy stationed in Sicily but I am moving to Jacksonville. I am an Avitaion Ordnanceman by trade. IYAOYAS to any fellow ordies that may be hanging out here.
Allow me a couple of minutes to talk about the WWIIOL thread that got locked.
I don't want to talk about the games AH or WWIIOL but rather the communities of the two games. Neither are perfect but let me tell you a big difference I did see.
I first heard about Ace's High through a fellow WWIIOLer that posted the link to the Aces High website in both the Off Topic forum and The Hangar.
I followed the link and browsed the AH site and was intrigued. I have since then seriously debated downloading AH and paying to play it also. I doubt I will leave WWIIOL but I don't see it and AH as competiton, I see them as two games to play. Just like I play Delta Force Blackhawk Down and Raven Shield. I love games, I'll play all that I can.
The one thing that held me back from getting AH is that I am presently building a new system with an Asus A7N8X DX, XP3000+ and an ATI Radeo 9700 pro.
My system runs WWIIOL well even though it is only a 750Mhz AMD Athlon with a Kyro 2 base Hercules video card. However I was leary of getting another big game till my other system is done.
Well now I am seriously debating whether I want to get AH at all. See I feel that many of the guys here were way out of line. I see nothing wrong with what Ring did initially. He simply said hey we all love games and here is another you may want to check out.
Then the mudslinging began. I don't condone any of it from either side and I feel both sides did it. I think that being the hosts as this is your house you could have been a bit more cordial. It would have reflected better on the community if the first statement had gone more like this
"hey guy thanks for stopping by our humble abode and thanks for the info on WWIIOL. Doubt I'll try it but who knows, maybe someone will here will decide to try it. BTW have you seen AH's free trial? It goes like this........hey check it out and look me up in game if you decide to try it out. I'll give you the grand tour. later bro."
Instead the flaming began instantly to which WWIIOLers came here and flamed back. Pointless and needless.
I would like to give you guys the other side though. Remember the thread about AH on the WWIIOL forums that informed me of AH in the first place? Well that thread was treated much nicer than Ring was treated here.
A couple of guys were like, yeah I've tried it but I prefer WWIIOL. many other WWIIOLers said they liked it but WWIIOL was cheaper. Some guys just talked about the strengths and weaknesses of both games and yes both games have strengths and weaknesses. Some guys said they played both and said that at the time the liked Ah more because it was further along in dev but that they liked the potential of WWIIOL. Overall though the tone was much better. No flaming, no insulting.
As far as the forums being locked to outsiders, that was called for by the community because a player named Blair kept asking for certain changes in the game that were unpopular with both the Devs and the community. When he realized his was a minority view, he created multiple accounts and used those accounts to back his main identity up and bash anyone who disagreed with him.
He then started admitting to exploiting weaknesses in the game, weaknesses that have since been fixed mind you but he basically admitted to cheating. Then he became excessively abusive to the community and the Rats (CRS). He got banned from the game. So what did he do? He upped the volume even more on the forums. His accounts got deleted so he created more to post on the forums and took up where he left off.
He went so far as to create an Anti WWIIOL website. He became psychotically obsessed. He still is. He supposedly hates the game yet he can't stay away.
This has made the community at WWIIOL a bit sensitive. They often feel a need to defend their game and even promote it to an extent. They feel they need to do this for 2 reasons. The game had a bad launch and it has an obsessed Minister of Disinformation in Blair.
Now, everytime I have seen the game talked about on forums, I see one guy come back and claim to have tried the game and then spouts off about how it wouldn't run. All I can say is that a couple of these guys turned out to be a verified liar while a couple of others were legit. However every guy who claimed this had a much better computer than the one I have. WWIIOL isn't the first nor will it be the last that won't run for everyone.
I however maintain my system and have updated the drivers for every single component. If you are that computer illiterate that you can't get the game to run I wouldn't be posting it on the forums because 15,000 people many of whom have worse computers were able to get it to run so all you are doing is saying "Hey look at me, I'm a dumb A**!!!" personally I think the ones who have been found out tonot have actually installed the game are just trying to give the game another black eye. Juvenile to say the least.
Also many games have to be "learned" to be enjoyed. Yes some games have a steep learning curve but that just means it would be that much more enjoyable once learned. Anything easy isn't that rewarding. I'm sure that if I try AH I will have to do some learning and though I hold my own in the skies of WWIIOL I will have to learn from the pros of AH to do well in AH. Vice versa.
All I'm saying is that these are just games, we are people. The games aren't perfect and neither are we. WWIIOL isn't perfect and neither is AH. I have a friend who now plays AH (he aked to remain nameless here, he doesn't like controversy) we debated the pros and cons of both and are honest with each other. We both have problems with AH and WWIIOL. Incidentally he found out about AH from me when I saw it on the WWIIOL forums. he also just ried WWIIOL and being single says he loves both and plans to play both.
I digress, I do that alot so stick with me :)
Anyway, these are just games we don't have to get so riled up over a stupid game that we become rude to each other. It does nobody any good. I'm glad that thread got locked because it reflects poorly on both sides.
If you wish to flame me here feel free, I really don't care. I am not here to flame AH or pimp WWIIOL. I personally love WWIIOL and could care less what anyone else thinks. I am also interested in AH and could care less what anyone thinks.
I do think you guys blew it though when you went on the offensive. I would tell the WWIIOL guys the same thing if the tables were turned and they had acted like that. Your actions did not reflect well on your community. This is your house, you are the hosts. As the hosts, it was your responsibilty to be polite. If the guests got out of line the mods will do their jobs and delete or lock the thread.
I hope the lessons can be learned and I and any other WWIIOL who chooses to stop by can expect better treatment. I will pass the same advice to them on how to treat people. Personally I am sick of people using the anonymity of the internet to be rude. It's not necessary and doesn't reflect well for either community.
I would hope that that we could all see past some silly division defined by a couple of games and see that which binds us together. The love of online gaming in games that have alot in common.
Personally I doubt either games Dev's would have a problem with a bunch of us playing both games. LOL actually I would dare say they would like it.
Anyway spread the peace in the forus, make war in the games.
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BTW I will post a link to this in the WWIIOL forums where I let the guys there know they need to act a little more grown up. Maybe a fw can pop by to just say hi without pimping WWIIOL or bashing AH.
Hopefully you can do the same.
Peace out.
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Even though your intentions might be genuine, sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs lie.
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No no no Dowding, better to kick the dogs with steel toed boots.
-SW
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Well actually I see it not as a sleeping dog but rather a dog that was kicked with the steel toed boots and then shot.
I think it is better to buy a new dog and treat it better this time around.
Wouldn't you agree? ;)
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It depends if your tenancy agreement allows dogs in the first place. ;)
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Seems that being new to either of these games is going to give you an outsider's view of exactly what happend in that thread. Especially someone from a bbs that does not allow outsiders to participate.
Sorry you feign displeasure with AH because of that thread. Now imagine that it wasn't only the community, but the game itself that let you down and you'll begin to feel how most people posting in that thread felt. Also remember that if someone hadn't linked that thread from your bbs with a "let's pile on" message, you wouldn't be making your first two posts here today.
Everybody, including the person that started that thread, knows that you don't post competitor's project in the general AH forum. I noticed they didn't even try to post the same crap on AGW's main page (or it was deleted). They could show the same respect for a BBS that is infinately more open than the one WW2OL maintains.
So... say your peice about the game and get on with life. Either that, or start yet another account saying the exact same things as hardcase one more time and think it will make a difference this time.
In case you missed the template aspect of your post:
Remind everyone that the bugs have been fixed.
Comment that it runs just fine on your older system.
Explain how your freedom to post here is different than ours to post on your board.
Explain how innocent everything WW2OL people post is and how everything AH players post is an over reaction.
Yep.. you got it all there.
And... once again... so you can remind your buddies...
AH General Forum is for AH Discussion.
O'Club is for all others.
You want respect... respect the rules. Otherwise... stfu.
MiniD
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imsneaky, it is of extreme bad taste to come and advertise in someone else's forum.
Especially someone like Ring, that for all accounts is the defacto head fanboi of CRS. And to keep doing it over and over again every time WW2OL gets one of its bugs fixed or long-promised features half-arsedly implemented makes it worse. You dont see any AH'r heading to WW2OL forums and posting a page-long tribute to Aces High and all the wonderful new features every single patch that comes out offers do you? (well, those AH'rs that have WW2OL accounts, CRS does not allow free posting on their forums.. what does that tell you hmm?)
Not to mention the soccer mom that polices the WW2OL forums would very likely just delete any such post on sight; you know, like those posts comparing BF1942 to WW2OL a while back. 4 page long flamefest (sound familiar?) in less than an hour and then thread deleted. *yawn*
That added to the fact that many of us here already tried WW2OL and have hand firsthand experience with the product and most importantly, the company that made it.
Be the voice of calm and reason, but please keep your trash off your neighbor's lawn.
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You cant judge an entire community by the people that use the bbs. Most of the people that play AH do not even bother coming here.
Imsneaky i hope you do try AH and if you do ill gladly help you get started - look for me online or e-mail me (Rob_F16@hotmail.com)
I have downloaded the free trial, but have not yet created my account as i am waiting to see if any of our squad members want to try it with me.
I have tried it offline and do not wish to reveal what i think of it incase i start another wwiionline vs. aces high war!
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Sorry you have so much hate in your heart Mini.
But let me respond.
First I only said that Ring's post mentioning the free trial was fine. Sorry you feel otherwise because whether you know it or not the same thing goes on in WWIIOL forums. However there, the people in the forums don't flame the game or the poster.
Like I said I found out about AH there. i have also see threads for nearly every single game there. To name a few:
Raven Shield
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
IL2
Il2 FB
AH
WB
HL2
etc...
these posts don't get flamed or locked.
I also didn't defend the WWIIOLers. they were also wrong for joining in and piling on. What I did say is that it didn't need to happen and would not have happened if the guys posting were simply polite and said as I said in the above post.
As far as people posting on the WWIIOl boards that are not subscribers goes, I would like to see a return to it. Unfortunately because of Blair it would probably rquire some way of verifying who you are. I'll mention it to the Rats. I can assure you the forums are not private to keep people out like yourselves who might just want to come by and participate in some grown up discussions. It is basically that way to keep Blair out. Sad that one griefer can ruin it for the good people.
Another thing Mini, I wasn't saying that you have to like WWIIOL, that is your own personal choice. I am just saying that you guys could have treated Ring a lot better. I can tell you this too, Ring is a dedicated player who does a lot of private testing to find bugs. He would actually make a fine addition to your community as he si in ours. he is the kind of player you want in your community because he does so much for the people in the community. Though lately, being an Axis player, he seems to help them out a bit more. LOL
I'm just saying that you guys by being polite could have actually recruited a WWIIOL player who came her to spread the news about WWIIOL. See the difference? :) You know it is possible to say I will never again try WWIIOl without being rude. it is possible.
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Imsneaky
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Originally posted by Mini D
Otherwise... stfu.
You should try that yourself sometime. And you really should stop acting as if you were the spokesperson of this community.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
I don't want to talk about the games AH or WWIIOL but rather the communities of the two games. Neither are perfect but let me tell you a big difference I did see.
I first heard about Ace's High through a fellow WWIIOLer that posted the link to the Aces High website in both the Off Topic forum and The Hangar.
One big difference is that everyone here already knows about WW2OL.
Here is something that you might want to read, many of the guys playing here have been around these types of games for a long time:
AGW: Flight Sims - Family Tree (http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=14978)
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Originally posted by OIO
imsneaky, it is of extreme bad taste to come and advertise in someone else's forum.
Especially someone like Ring, that for all accounts is the defacto head fanboi of CRS. And to keep doing it over and over again every time WW2OL gets one of its bugs fixed or long-promised features half-arsedly implemented makes it worse. You dont see any AH'r heading to WW2OL forums and posting a page-long tribute to Aces High and all the wonderful new features every single patch that comes out offers do you? (well, those AH'rs that have WW2OL accounts, CRS does not allow free posting on their forums.. what does that tell you hmm?)
Not to mention the soccer mom that polices the WW2OL forums would very likely just delete any such post on sight; you know, like those posts comparing BF1942 to WW2OL a while back. 4 page long flamefest (sound familiar?) in less than an hour and then thread deleted. *yawn*
That added to the fact that many of us here already tried WW2OL and have hand firsthand experience with the product and most importantly, the company that made it.
Be the voice of calm and reason, but please keep your trash off your neighbor's lawn.
Actually OIO, I hope CRS relaxes the exclusivety on the forums, at least the OT forum if nothing else.
If that happens I would be more than happy to have you come and let me know what is going on in AH. Why? Because the stinkin game mags aren't letting me know. They are little more than advertisements for new games.
I can also tell you as I already have that people regularly post links and info about other games. They rarely get locked and the ones that did get locked with Bf1942 were because of Blair and the flaming that ensued when he started slamming WWIIOL and hailing Bf1942. The thread got locked because idiots couldn't contol how they acted.
CRS doesn't ban advertisements of other games and in fact some of the Devs joined a bunch of WWIIOL players in Bf1942, Planetside, SWG and Second Life. Funny thing is that they also came back and commented positively on the games pointing out strengths over WWIIOL and weaknesses compared to WWIIOL. Takes alot of guts to do that if you ask me.
Maybe this is the reason that WWIIOLers are so baffled by the bad reception they get. We don't see it as some kind of sin to post about other games in our forums. We do it all the time.
I'll post a comment that Killer made and speak about it.
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Posted by Killer in the WWIIOL Forums
Yes as much as it doesn't make sense to the fundamentalist extremeists of online gaming that inhabit every games forums...
Some of us actually play 2 or 3 games and keep subscriptions to all of them.
For a wwii era game, to be talked about at another wwii era game's forum is natural as most players in their 30's can quite easily and often do afford to play both, and often have interest in many.
It seems many in forums here and over at AH can stomach the thought about as much as the Taliban could accept a womans face in public in Kabul. They feel they must denegrate it by any means they can rationalize may apply be they true or not.
It's pretty dissapointing, at least we didn't lock the thread though...
This is after an AH forumite registerd and started flaming in the WWIIOL thread.
The point is that killer the lead developer at CRS admits that we at WWIIOL also have our numbskulls. All games forums seem to.
i think his post hit the nail on the head and speeks for itself.
i personally see a lot of good that could come out of people who are SIMmers like ourselves getting along. I see the free flow of info and comraderie would do alot of good for both communities.
I don't see anyone winning when the communities feel like they have to act like kids and start mudslinging.
I personally would love to go to a convention for all sims. Seems the idots have ruined it for us once again. Idiots here and there and in every game.
Killer is a very intelligent man who has been around games and sims as long or longer than any of us. I think he was around when Chess was invented. :p
I think what he was saying that the Sim community could be better off it it didn't have so many wackos attached to each game.
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Originally posted by TW9
I'd say ur putting it litely.. It wasnt a "mentioning" it was an ad in a forum for AH discussions...
Btw my dad was stationed in jacksonville.. I lived off base with him in Ponte Vedra.. Is that the one with the blue angles hanging from the rafters? Or am i thinking of pensecola?
The polite thing to do would have been to politely direct him to the Off Topic forums and politley tell him that this forum was for AH discussion only. Regardless of what he did or why he did it you could have simply been polite and explain the proper place for his post.
Besides, there is no harm advertising a free trial in your OT forum if that is the appropriate forum just as the WWIIOL OT forum is not sacred ground where you game can not be advertised. You know, I think I'll advertise the AH free trail there after a short cooling off period. After the reception they got here it wouldn't be productive to do so today.
That is Pensacola and I own a house there. I met my wife there! :p
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Furball
Hortlund
I will certainly look you guys up when I try AH. It won't be till around August though as I have to wait till my household goods get to Jacksonville which will be in July.
Then I can start buying the rest of my parts and complete my new system.
This will be my computer alone, the wife gets this one. :p So anyway I'll have more time on it and more hard drive space. :) I figure to Seagate 120GB SATA drives in Raid 0 should handle allmy needs! :p
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Originally posted by Hortlund
You should try that yourself sometime. And you really should stop acting as if you were the spokesperson of this community.
Well said.
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my house is not all that far from that greyhound track. Maybe three miles.
Small world eh? :)
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Originally posted by Mini D
AH General Forum is for AH Discussion.
O'Club is for all others.
You want respect... respect the rules.
MiniD
I think this is an honest mistake as I would assume that "general" is open topic where as "O'Club" would be more private."
Since you pointed that out I will certainly obey those rules.
I don't think it was Ring's intention to be insulting or disrespectful. I think had he been asked politley to delete it and post it in the O'Club he would have done so without question.
Again, knowing the rules here now i will certainely honour them.
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Well Gentlemen,
It is 2:00 am here in Sicily and I need to be up by 6:30 am. :eek:
I have enjoyed talking with you and may stop by tomorrow if I can keep my eyes open. :p
Till then
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Originally posted by GScholz
Btw. Imsneaky, you guys picked a bad time to visit, after 6 months of arguing over politics, war, terrorism and God knows what. If this had been a real O'Club we would all be carrying guns and half our number would be dead by now ... if not more.
LOL See we have more in common than you know. I swear the poltical battles in the WWIIOL forums make the battles in the game seem tame. :p
I won't even get into the French bashing/America/Bashing that went on nor the arguements over terrorism.
Actually being wargamers like yourlselves we just need someone to give us an excuse to start fighting! I think those guys would argue over whose mother is uglier! LOL
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Originally posted by TW9
thread was closed.. let it be..
no no he has a point...he was just pointing out what happened THERE and it happens almost EVERYWHERE else as well... just because someone decided to let people know that ww2ol decided to be nice and let people see what it was all about people started jumping down rings throat...over the past 4 months ive watched the board sink into juvenilism...half the time i have problems remebering that YOU PEOPLE ARE ADULTS...SOME WITH CHILDREN...then i remember and think...dear god if these people are raising the generation after mine then if mine doesnt push the button theres will...
imsneaky
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
Well now I am seriously debating whether I want to get AH at all. See I feel that many of the guys here were way out of line. I see nothing wrong with what Ring did initially. He simply said hey we all love games and here is another you may want to check out.
Then the mudslinging began. I don't condone any of it from either side and I feel both sides did it. I think that being the hosts as this is your house you could have been a bit more cordial.
Our house is right, Imsneaky, and when someone comes into my house, starts talking about how my house is a piece of crap and their house is so much bigger and better, how long do I put up with that before you're asked to leave?
I also find it intresting to note that on the one hand you comment about it taking all kinds of individuals to make up a Community then you say you're reluctant to play AH because we're "mean spirited." Which is it? Are we typical of any online Community or are we mean spirited enough that you're reluctant to even try Aces High?
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airhead the original POST WAS NOT LIKE THAT...it was a informative little peice about how we could try the game for a free week...automaticly people started saying how ****ty a deal it was because ah gives you 2 free weeks when you make a new account etc. etc. what they didnt realise was that this was a 1 time only thing so you could either enjoy it or not...
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I don't ever wanna grow up, I'm a Toys 'R Us kid!
-SW
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Originally posted by SunKing
Well said.
I don't know Sun King, I prefer Mini's posts over your stuffy drivel. Maybe if you removed that stick from your ass...
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Originally posted by Airhead
Our house is right, Imsneaky, and when someone comes into my house, starts talking about how my house is a piece of crap and their house is so much bigger and better, how long do I put up with that before you're asked to leave?
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Well, the problem is I dont see where anyone has been coming here saying your house is a piece of crap lately. To be perfectly honest, I cant recall one post where a ww2ol:er came here thrashing AH. Quite on the contrary. Someone comes here telling us about his new house, and everyone here starts flaming him to kingdom come. The behavior of some people on this forum when it comes to "defending" AH is a real disgrace. It is truly fanboi mentality at its worst.
And if you cannot accept the fact that all people that come to your house might not share your views on what a house should look like, well, then maybe you should not keep the door open and maybe you should remove the "welcome" sign at the front door.
I also find it intresting to note that on the one hand you comment about it taking all kinds of individuals to make up a Community then you say you're reluctant to play AH because we're "mean spirited." Which is it? Are we typical of any online Community or are we mean spirited enough that you're reluctant to even try Aces High?
Suppose you were thinking on trying out a new game. And you know that what makes or breaks an online game is the player community...I mean there is a reason I dont play counterstrike or dayofdefeat...I dont want to play with 13yrolds with dubious spelling ability. Well, suppose you decide to check out the forums to get a feel for the community.
And then you run into someone like MiniD...I mean that would be it, thanks, but no thanks.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, the problem is I dont see where anyone has been coming here saying your house is a piece of crap lately. To be perfectly honest, I cant recall one post where a ww2ol:er came here thrashing AH. [/B]
Uh.... right Steve, the WW2OL Fanbois who piled it on- guys like AHSUXXORS- were more than gracious. :rolleyes:
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I agree with you imsneaky. But Ring comes here every month or so. He knows the rules or should know them by now. Frankly, I dont mind if he just posted "hey new patch is out and theres a free trial again". But a post that reads like a 1-page microsoft advertisement on the NY Times is another matter. :)
"If that happens I would be more than happy to have you come and let me know what is going on in AH. Why? Because the stinkin game mags aren't letting me know. They are little more than advertisements for new games"
http://www.happypuppy.com , and other sites like it offer better reviews, free demos and the likes of upcoming games. Much better than gaming mags imo. I quit subscribing to them years ago and theres rarely a game, a WW2 game, that comes out that I dont know about.
"I hope CRS relaxes the exclusivety on the forums"
Won't happen. CRS wont allow those with negative experiences with the game to post (aka they cancel account). Thought Police and all that sort of thing, and the only way to actually try the game was to buy the box (waay back then) or pay up (free trial? tell that to my C.C. , which has already blocked CRS and PLAYNET after they charged me for 2 months after i cancelled account AFTER the so called free trial. Costumer service? CRS dumps the payment stuff on Playnet, which has a well deserved reputation for incompetence and reticence. E-mails to CRS's mailboxes never answered, posts to forum using friend's account asking for CRS intervention deleted.
So you see, if people came to those forums and saw pages and pages of people complaining about stuff, particularly Credit Card issues, they would lose a boatload of costumers. Matter of fact, go look up CRS's report on the Better Bussiness Beaurou (sp?). Last time I checked they beat some credit card companies in complaints per month. :eek:
Do try AH, its 2 weeks free trial, we can all use another target :) :)
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Originally posted by Airhead
Uh.... right Steve, the WW2OL Fanbois who piled it on- guys like AHSUXXORS- were more than gracious. :rolleyes:
Dont you roll your eyes at me young man. Now go wash your eyes with soap.
Three observations
1) Even mr ahsuxxors never thrashed AH in his two posts...you did read them...right?
2) You seem to have forgotten to adress my other observations on your "oh but this is my house"-analogy.
3) Reread the locked thread. Notice anything when it comes to lanugage used, arguments used and general attitude? Some people in this community behave horribly bad, it is a disgrace really.
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the fact is ring simply informed you guys about a free trial.
some of you folks decided you wanted to flame wwIIol and even go as far as to personally insult the devs.
the only reason any of us came over to defend the game is because many of you were posting complete lies,or you were talking about bugs or problems that have been gone for months.
if you want to talk about the pro's and con's of either game atleast know your facts,dont lie,and keep it civil.
on our forum just about every interesting game to be released is talked about,even aces high is talked aobut.
i learned about your free trial long ago on our forum and signed up about a week ago.
sadly tho my computer is locking up when i try to play tho that is not due to the game its due to my damn video card fan crapping out:mad:
i really dont understand why you guys could be so angry about a simple post about the game,if it sucks then let players find that out for themselves,dont go polluting thread with lies about it.
to those of you that kept things civil S!,to those that had to hurl insults,grow up.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Dont you roll your eyes at me young man. Now go wash your eyes with soap.
Three observations
1) Even mr ahsuxxors never thrashed AH in his two posts...you did read them...right?
2) You seem to have forgotten to adress my other observations on your "oh but this is my house"-analogy.
3) Reread the locked thread. Notice anything when it comes to lanugage used, arguments used and general attitude? Some people in this community behave horribly bad, it is a disgrace really.
LOL YOUNG man?? Flattery will get you everywhere:)
1) Steve, the clue is in AHSUXXORS' handle. Let's break it down- AH stands for Aces High, and SUX means SUCKS. Thus his handle is a put down of Aces High- AH SUCKS. Get it now?
2) It's not MY house- it's HTC's house. If it were mine I'd toss pimps for competitive Sims off as soon as they opened their mouths instead of waiting until they spread false information about MY game- especially in light of the fact we aren't allowed to post on their bulletin board.
3) Yeah, some people took the promotion of WW2OL as a slight against AH and yeah, some people were over the top in their rebuttals. Maybe it's because the perception was that we were being "invaded" by a whole bunch of WW2OL Fanbois. Seems like another typical day in The O'Club to me though. FWIW I hope Imsneaky gives AH a shot because he'll find out just how helpful the VAST MAJORITY of AH Vets are when it comes to helping out Newbies.
At any rate I wonder what kind of reaction the WW2OL Fanbois were expecting. Did they expect us to quit AH en masse and defect to WW2OL? Not going to happen because we have an older player base intrested in flight dynamics, and the fact that planes can land on water ruins the simulation for some of us.
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Imsneaky,
Please realize that the ones who post here are a small fraction of the playing community. Most who post are friendly, but it would be unfortunate if certain individuals were considered the voice of AH, due to these few represent the negitive aspect of the community. You will always detect the same people over and over again posting just to cause hate and discontent. They have no motive in mind other than to stir the pot hoping to get a reaction to their rampant mumblings.
Overall the AH community is a positive thinking crowd, but there are always bad apples in every bunch. Just like a bad apple that smells the worst out of the batch, these tend to voice the loudest in a relatively fine community.
So please do not let a few possibly ruin your participation in a combat flight simulation. Give it a try. At least for two months.
Hell, e-mail me and let me know when you are going to be on. I'll fly a few missions with ya!
Swager
Oh BTW, Have a Nice Day :)
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Swager, "Hate and discontent?" Outside of the political threads (which I avoid) I don't see that at all. Really, some of you guys take yourselves far too seriously.
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I just dont appreciate the fact that the wwIIol folks can come over here and express their feelings on our bbs but we cant do the same on theres. I wanted to try wwIIol cus I wanted to get the experience and see for myself... But since all your little friends came over here trying to break up a happy home (even tho our happy home is disfunctional) Im not even gonna bother. Plus being new to your game and not in a squad or whatever I doubt anyone would help me anyways. Thats coming from multiple sourses plus reading your bbs awhile ago. With that said...being a military man myself I hope to see you in AH imsneaky but the rest of the punks can............
!!!!!MOVE OUT AND DRAW FIRE!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Airhead
I don't know Sun King, I prefer Mini's posts over your stuffy drivel. Maybe if you removed that stick from your ass...
Hmm don't you live near me.... why don't you come remove it.
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Well Airhead, since I did not mention any names and you seem to believe I was implacating you in my comments, it may be that you take yourself more seriously than you imagine.
Sometimes it is best to just sit back and relax. It actually does wonders.
Have a Nice Day.
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You dont see any AH'r heading to WW2OL forums and posting a page-long tribute to Aces High and all the wonderful new features every single patch that comes out offers do you? (well, those AH'rs that have WW2OL accounts, CRS does not allow free posting on their forums
I can recall a few times where Ace's High has been talked about. Mentioning the latest patches, or the latest offer...
We welcome discussion about other games relating to WW2 and the simulation market in general.
There were no flames. no resentment.
There was just normal discussion about the game, even a few "hey thanks for letting me know, I fired it up and seems interesting".
In fact, the WW2OL hanger forums is what first got me convinced to give Ace's High a try so long ago.
I hazard to guess that a discussion about IL-2's latest patch would not have garnered the same kind of animosity as Rings post did. It's not just the idea of talking about another game on this forum, it's the fact that someone had the gaul to mention WW2OL, something which many feel a deep seeded hatred for it's bad launch.
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This thread is very funny. And ironic..............
Cabby
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Originally posted by GScholz
Btw. Imsneaky, you guys picked a bad time to visit, after 6 months of arguing over politics, war, terrorism and God knows what. If this had been a real O'Club we would all be carrying guns and half our number would be dead by now ... if not more.
Not so....we'd all be digging our trenches deeper for the coming winter, and waiting for the summer offensives to begin in earnest again
Tronsky
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1) Steve, the clue is in AHSUXXORS' handle. Let's break it down- AH stands for Aces High, and SUX means SUCKS. Thus his handle is a put down of Aces High- AH SUCKS. Get it now?
thats one *******,dont go generalizing over one person.
2) It's not MY house- it's HTC's house. If it were mine I'd toss pimps for competitive Sims off as soon as they opened their mouths instead of waiting until they spread false information about MY game- especially in light of the fact we aren't allowed to post on their bulletin board.
so let me get this straight,you'd outright ban us because we play a different game and mention it once or twice?
like i said aces high has been mentioned on our forums many times and no one ever gives this kind of hostile response,its completely retarded.
in the other thread i already mentioned the very good reasons only subscribers can posto n our boards.
the mods are already over worked,just during this free trial there have been a few dozen free trial accounts made for the sole purpose of disrupting and spamming.
if anyone could post this would be non stop 24/7 and our forums would be shut down or be rendered comepletely useless.
i wish we'd atleast have a single forum though where non subscribers could post.
3) Yeah, some people took the promotion of WW2OL as a slight against AH and yeah, some people were over the top in their rebuttals. Maybe it's because the perception was that we were being "invaded" by a whole bunch of WW2OL Fanbois. Seems like another typical day in The O'Club to me though. FWIW I hope Imsneaky gives AH a shot because he'll find out just how helpful the VAST MAJORITY of AH Vets are when it comes to helping out Newbies.
it started out as just a simple "hi there hey wwIIol is offering a free trial".
you guys started to spew lies about wwIIol and insult our playerbase and the devs directly,so we felt the need to put forth the facts so a player can make his own decision.
also notice that we kept it civil while many AH players were using obscenities and personal insults rather then maturely discussing it.
At any rate I wonder what kind of reaction the WW2OL Fanbois were expecting. Did they expect us to quit AH en masse and defect to WW2OL? Not going to happen because we have an older player base intrested in flight dynamics, and the fact that planes can land on water ruins the simulation for some of us.
there you go with that only 1 possible game mentality,i mean no one can play both right?
no one expected you to all quit,but maybe ring was hoping some people would find it interesting.
you are assuming some sinister intent.
if your game is so great why do you feel so threatend about us stating the facts about our game?
the landing on water is that big a deal to you?
i never even noticed that you could because ive never tried,the only reason its not fixed yet is cause its not important right now,it doesnt effect the game in any way.
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I just dont appreciate the fact that the wwIIol folks can come over here and express their feelings on our bbs but we cant do the same on theres. I wanted to try wwIIol cus I wanted to get the experience and see for myself... But since all your little friends came over here trying to break up a happy home (even tho our happy home is disfunctional) Im not even gonna bother. Plus being new to your game and not in a squad or whatever I doubt anyone would help me anyways.
see my previous reply as to why you cant post on our forums,a company of 20 people with only 1 guy to deal with issues on the forums and such cant afford all the extra problems.
no one came in try to break up anything,we simply came to state the facts and dispell the lies about our game.
also most players are very helpfull with new players,squad or no squad,we've got tons of non squad players.
i myself am one yet i have never had a problem joining assaults or getting towed or rides.
although squad play is more fun usually.
in a few months brigade spawningi will be implemented meaning all the old problems of not finding action and not having anyone around to help you out will be gone.
give it a try,the trial is free,no credit card needed,make your own opinion,but give it a fair shot,dont logon and not see anyone for a little bit and quit.
if you join its best to ask on the forum for some advice on radio channels or groups to tag along with.
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Originally posted by Swager
Well Airhead, since I did not mention any names and you seem to believe I was implacating you in my comments, it may be that you take yourself more seriously than you imagine.
Sometimes it is best to just sit back and relax. It actually does wonders.
Have a Nice Day.
No Swager, not at all. You're bright enough to know true venom when you hear it and I hope I am too. As far as seriousness goes I consider this to be the Toy Department of Life and I'm not willing to invest any emotion here other than a laugh or an occasional joke. If you see Hatas then I guess you see Hatas- I don't. All I see is Sun King soliciting me to come over to his house for some bellybutton play and really that's not my bag man. ;)
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Originally posted by chaunsey
it started out as just a simple "hi there hey wwIIol is offering a free trial".
How delusional you must be to actually believe this. Let's look over Ring's original post again in order to dispell your intentional misperceptions of innocence.
First he writes:
"if you interested in more then just air to air.. it offers the LARGEST MMPOG continous map with no "zones" and some of the unites you can play are
infantry
air
boats
tanks
scout cars
trucks
AA guns
AT guns "
And then he posts this silly map:
(http://www.tgpo.net/images/fun/SwgCompareSmall.jpg)
Wow! Look at the size of that map! w00t! pwned! I'm there, dude! So let's see... rather than simply noting that WW2OL offers a free trial, Ring then posts advertising slogans such as "LARGEST MMPOG continous [sic] map" and then a helpful map to show how it compares to the competition. If it looks like crap, and it smells like crap, it's probably crap. Don't patronize us by pretending that this wasn't some sort of advertisement.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Airhead
All I see is Sun King soliciting me to come over to his house for some bellybutton play and really that's not my bag man. ;)
Thats what I thought. Sit behind your PC and insult players, another internet tough guy. Like I said before ,you truely choose the right name.
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(http://www.tgpo.net/images/fun/SwgCompareSmall.jpg)
Wow, that's a pretty impressive map. Maybe I should give that game a try.
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I just find it funny that "imsneaky" posts 12 "can't let it go" posts in a row ala... hmmm... thinking of a name here. His very first post... a critique of a community where he has not posted a single message previously. Yeppers. Shear honesty there.
Pigeons and idiots. Guess it takes all types.
MiniD
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
Wow, that's a pretty impressive map. Maybe I should give that game a try.
You find that impressive? I guess you haven't played the Combat Theatre with an accurate ETO map lately. At least there Britain fits on the map in case you want to do late war matchups.
Hey, speaking of late war matchups, how are those WW2OL P-47s coming along? Or Tiger tanks?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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At least there Britain fits on the map in case you want to do late war matchups.
(http://www.freewebs.com/nrakjar/wooo.jpg)
FYI - "Their", not "There".
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Originally posted by SunKing
Thats what I thought. Sit behind your PC and insult players, another internet tough guy. Like I said before ,you truely choose the right name.
"Airhead"... More than a name, it is a title. I wear it proudly.
Gee Sun King, is that a stick up your bellybutton or is that the Harry Potter Battery Powered Broomstick like the one my wife is so fond of? Do you realise how truly pathetic making threats of physical violence over the Internet is? All that is is mental mastrubation bud. Whatever, if you really wanna beat me up then head up to the North onramp at Camp Far West Lake out of Lincoln at 4 PM every Wednesday, or early most weekends, and look for a cream colored 19 foot Sea Ray with burgandy trim pulled by a 1992 white Ford F-150 extended cab with blue pinstriping. That's where I hang out in my leisure time, so c'mon down and if you're nice I'll take you wakeboarding and if you're not nice...well... I think you'll be nice...if you show up. ;)
Be there or be square.
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Somehow, in the grand scheme of things... the ww2ol map looks inadequate...
(http://www.dbstaines.com/images/ww2olmap.gif)
Not that there's anything wrong with it... except for bragging about it.
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Hey, speaking of late war matchups, how are those WW2OL P-47s coming along? Or Tiger tanks?
still aways off,lots of other stuff to add long before that stuff,even as it is we've got over 50 units.
actually right now we have r&d,so the HC's can choose what vehicles are developed and even what vehicles CRS develops.
so once we reasearch that far we'll develop the tigers and p-47's and put them into production.
unless of course the factories are bombed wich will slow down the development.
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Oopsy sorry to butt into this thread for a competely unrelated inquiry. You can have your thread back in 2 secs, I promise...
"Dont you roll your eyes at me young man." - Hortlund
"LOL YOUNG man?? Flattery will get you everywhere." - Airhead
I asked this a while back... am simply curious: Hortlund - I vaguely remember reading you saying that you're 28ish or 29ish...
This so? How old are you?
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Y'all get upset at Ring? Eh, take him with a grain of salt and a have a spell checker handy. But yes the thread should have been in the O'club to begin with, but it's Ring we are talking about. :p
#1 wwiionline crazy Macchi demanding fanboy. ;)
(http://www.korvus77.org/ww2ol/wimm.jpg)
ps
Yes I fly the MC.202 and 205 in WB and AH every so often. But I want my SM.79!!!
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Well Airhead, obviously you have something against me. This thread and my cable thread kinda prove that. Funny how I agree with Hortlund yet you bash me and not him. Afraid of insulting the vets are we?
*I don't read Harry Potter so I'm unfamilar with your current insult.*
I never wanted to "beat you up". That is actually quite funny along with this childish exchange. You can call off your dogs.
I've met alot of Aces High players and actually thought it would be cool to meet another in our hobby even if you must insult me.
I thought about hosting a NorCal mini Con when I had access to a T3 line.
Anyway Lincoln is the other side of town for me and bit outta me way. When ya gonna be in Sac?
PS: I used to JetSki all the time at Folsom Lake until Wineman ran me down me with his boat years back. *Dont ask* :D
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
FYI - "Their", not "There".
FYI- If you are going to correct someone's spelling, make sure you understand the sentence.
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I object to the kicking of dogs, particularly sleeping ones.
Thats just rude.
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FYI- If you are going to correct someone's spelling, make sure you understand the sentence.
FYI - if you are going to correct someone for correcting someone else’s spelling then make sure you understand the the sentence in the first place.
Here it is again for ya:
At least there Britain fits on the map in case you want to do late war matchups.
The context is possessive, hence, Their is the correct grammar.
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bzzzt wrong.
How could it be possesive?
Here's the quote in full:
"I guess you haven't played the Combat Theatre with an accurate ETO map lately. At least there Britain fits on the map in case you want to do late war matchups. "
Using "their" would make absolutely no sense. The Combat Theater is an arena here in AH - not some other game. If it helps at all, imagine a comma after the word "there". Or put the word "over" just before it, so it becomes "At least over there, Britian fits on the map..."
It's gay, in the first place, to point out a spelling error. Especially if that's the sum total of your reply. But to point out an error that aint even an error.... that's really really gay.
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Christ!!! Now y'all are fighting over word usage. This is ridiculous.
The games are not in competition with each other. I held accounts in both games for a while back in the early part of this year. I like them both but I can't budget them both in anymore and one had to go. Does it matter which one I stayed with??? Not really. As soon as I can muster up the money to handle both of them again, I will play both.
Once people get it out of their heads that the games are not competing for the same player base, then the faster we can get through stuff like this. AH and WWIIOL are two different games. They both have things that the other doesn't have...so what?!?
Everyone, both communities, need to get off their high horses and realize that the gaming community as a whole is a lot bigger than the little backyard in which they play.
Sheesh!!! Fighting over words. Will it ever stop?
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I agree Nash. And I should know.
What a stupid thread. I like the snipe at Skuzzy's moderation policy from Killer though. What's with that? Surely it's best to remain aloof in these matters as a developer and not give them any kind of credance. The 'hey guys, check in at the AH BBS and stir it up' threads in WW2OL are not constructive in the slightest.
WW2OL will always be looked badly by many people. Including me. We feel we were ripped off. That's a fact and the WW2OL door-stepping advertising executives should take that into account.
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Reminds me of these guys...
(http://home.earthlink.net/~jackjoy777/images/Behold.jpg)
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As the other thread is closed I'll answer here
Originally posted by ZeroAce
The MS406 won't be designed for a while because it's simply not any better than what the French already have (the H-75, Dewontine 520, and H-81).
Unforunately CRS is not yet at the stage in development where they can build every variant and every aircraft just because it participated.
They have been managing their resources to focus on the equipment that will be bring something unique or useful to the table.
I'm don't really care of the ressources availlable to CRS.
When I bought my WWIIol box some years ago it was because of the French campaign , it have a huge appeal for me (I'm french you know ...)
The exclusion of the Ms406 is plain wrong , imagine a BoB setup without the Hurrican ?
It sound bad no ?
I'm not talking about joystick feel.
Nuance in the flight model are the little things about a planes performance that you just can't get from a table...
In a table based FM like CSFM2, they had to input things like the corsairs spin characteristics based on pure anecdotal evidence.
With a physics based FM, those spin characteristics would happen on their own, and there would be no guessing involved or room for error if your psychics were correct.
I work daily with both approach depending of the context I'll choose one or the other method.
Building a physical engine can be time consuming and sometime bad for the performances and as you said a lookup table can be unprecise but fast ...
The method are not exclusive to each other you can use both in one application provided you do it right ,the customer don't really care of the method : he want the job done in time with the quality he want ... he don't really care how I do ...
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Originally posted by Nash
I asked this a while back... am simply curious: Hortlund - I vaguely remember reading you saying that you're 28ish or 29ish...
This so? How old are you?
Yup, I'm 29. And I suspect Airhead is ..eh a bit older (from comments he's made on Vietnam in the past).
But since he acted like a small child when he rolled his eyes at me, I had treat him as such. ;)
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Ah 29. I *knew* I read that somewhere. Cool - thanks Hortlund.
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You guys are pretty pathetic bickering over the 2 games.
I wanted to give WWIIOL a try, so i downloaded the free trial last night. I found the community there most helpful, 2 people i am hopefully going to teach AH after they spent so much time helping me.
As for the game - the ground warfare there is brilliant, its far far ahead of Aces High. But air combat there is an absolute joke, how the WWIIOL cheerleaders we get here can say the FM and air combat there is better than AH is laughable.
If you like ground combat, wwiionline is for you. But for air combat and ship engagements - Aces high is so much better.
(http://www.geocities.com/rcafhornet/brewster.txt)
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Furball,
Being honest I have to agree with you. I think the Rats have developed a system that is brilliant. I think the fact that so many things were being tasked on your computer, so many calculations that the bugs have not all been worked out. I feel game killing bugs are gone but now the Rats have been able to afford better debugging software and they are finding the quiks in the system at a very fast rate.
I'm talking little stuff like though like what is causing an aircraft to not take damage on one elevator to the extent that it should.
I think WWIIOL has a briliant ground game and I feel that the airwar is really coming along now. I think it was all the physics calculations going on in every second as you fly with WWIIOL that made the airwar lag a bit in dev speed.
It will get there to the point that it is perfectly tuned. As far as the game play itself the biggest problem with the airwar is that it all resembles the Easter front where most of the combat is low level.
With the addition of the factories we will see the battle moved up to 20,000 feet instantly. That will change air combat in WWIIOL instantly and for the better. Wether it is better than AH at that point, who knows and who cares. I am seriously thinking of adding AH when my new computer is done but only because it is so different than WWIIOL.
It is the same in some ways but it is also different. That is ok and good in my mind. By everything I have understood by reading stuff by people and by what my friend has told me and by my own experiences, both games have great points and weak points.
My own experiences in the air in WWIIOL have shown that the airwar can at times suck and at times be completely brilliant. Depends on the situation. My favorites have been getting high enough to deal with the high flying Bf109-f4. those guys hate it when the can't BnZ ya to death. :)
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Furball, play a bit longer, you will begin to notice the ground war is just tank quake.
Its a matter of incompetent design imo. They model the tanks, the infantry, the support guns... which end up being mechwarrior 1940-1 . Infantry is useless for attacking or defending, its gotten to the point where an "attack" means 20 tanks and 3 infantry guys..the tanks to kill everything and the infantry to hop off the tanks and take a flag. And of course, CRS cannot code an infantry unit capable of killing a tank from range because it'd make 90% of their costumer base leave if they started to get killed in their tanks by someone hiding inside a building. You know, sort of like what the infantry players did a long time ago when tanks would kill them from beyond visual range with sniperscoped dispersionless tank machineguns.
Dont get me wrong, the tank warfare IS fun. But thats all it is. Its not a WW2 simulation, its actually the same thing as AH pzr vs pzr but just slap a few trees and ground clutter on the terrain.
I would go back to WW2OL if they ever added a PIAT/ATR infantry unit and if they made support guns have their own towing vehicles (kinda moronic how they force a person to drive for someone else who is playing a vastly underpowered, immobile and extremely vulnerable gun while they let 1 person man a fast, mobile, very well protected, powerfully armed tank..and the driver having no fun at all. Having had the chance of borrowing a friend's account, I can tell you the bofors/88/AT guns are VERY fun and effective units when you can tow them yourself... but CRS for some reason does not allow that. Its depressing to see incompetent coding, incompetent game design and incompetent costumer service all rolled into the one game with tremendous potential :( )
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As for the rest of the guys here who just like to flame, it seems that you are only interested in flaming and venting feelings.
I still see nothing wrong with what Ring did, aside from not putting it in the right forum. However I would like to point out that the responses toward him were not that he postd in the wrong forum but rather that WWIIOL sucked. So I guess the real issue was your feelings regarding WWIIOL not where he posted it. Where he posted it is actually a side issue for you to pile on to. Sad.
I guess I don't feel what he did is so bad because as I said we do it all the time on our forums. people who play WWIIOL have talked about and outright pimped other games from day one on the WWIIOL forums.
Heck I remember when our forums were not closed and people were posting links to Op Flash, and some were saying that it was the end of WWIIOL. Well it wasn't but more importantly people didn't flame the poster for advertising another game. They did of course defend WWIIOL by simply saying that they thought WWIIOL would in fact out live Op Flash. It did.
If anything we should understand that it is ok to keep the names of both our games in the spot light as great games deserve. Both are great games but both are looked upon as inconsequential old games past their prime by the gaming magazines. Now that is the real danger.
Let me also tell you about another danger out there. I know people who see our two games and all MMolg's as a danger. A danger? Yes, they see them as bad news because the could signal the future of all the best games being pay to play. Of course I never pass up a chance to point out that I think that time has already come. :p
The point is these people want to see these games fail. All pay to play games. They don't want it to catch on too big. They fear being shut out and restricted.
What I would love to see for instance would be the single game producers morphing into larger services. In otherwords say WWIIOL, AH and Warbirds all colaberaitng to offer a package deal. I think in the end it would pay off big if a whole lot more people got involved. People would actually feel they are gettingmore for their money.
I think this is the future anyway. i think gaming networks will eventually resemble a cable tv service.
I think it will be full of choices even if thse choices end up costing a bit more than it does now for one game.
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Sounds like a case of reading too much of Bilton's droppings OIO.
The infantry came can stand improvements of course. However infantry battles are not few and far between. Aye, sometimes they may only occur because both sides are attempting to race fresh supplies of aa/at guns and tanks into the battle. However at other times it is quite intentional to have an infantry only assault. With the changes to third person infantry, including the ability to see when someone is hit, aiming or reloading, the infantry game really has come along way in the fun factor. Unfortunately some people on our forums have based their entire existence off bashing CRS' efforts on infantry so they are not about to admit this. They just harp on something else, go figure. I would love to see the ground broken up a bit more vs berms and dropping down more of the bushes, etc but then again I also enjoy being in a big infantry battle at 30+ fps.
As far as the air component of the game goes. I personally enjoy wwiionline for it's better air to ground fidelity, imo, than aces high. I find all the talk about how the FM is so borked to be funny. Then again I guess both sims can roll out real life pilots who claim one or the other is superior. I just know which one I like the handling of better. Regardless have fun with Aces High and I'll have fun with wwiionline and check out AH every so often.
cheers.
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For all the yapping about how great a community WW2OL has...you should be aware that certain members of the community were responsible for me leaving the game.
I wrote a post protesting the ridiculous armour strength of the Char. I was jumped on and posts slamming me appeared all over the BBS.
I wrote a response in one of them asking the perpetrator why he was being such a d***head and his response was "You are still here? Go away."
I wrote to CRS and asked them to do something about this guy saying that members of the community were driving people away from the game. They seemed to side with him as I heard nothing more about the matter.
So, I left and haven't been back.
I know every BBS has its fair share of idiots...but those idiots are usually brought into line by administrators etc. Not so in my case.
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Originally posted by SunKing
Well Airhead, obviously you have something against me. This thread and my cable thread kinda prove that. Funny how I agree with Hortlund yet you bash me and not him. Afraid of insulting the vets are we?
SunKing, I apologize for my past nastiness. The tit for tat we've been engaged in is hereby officially over. Anyway I don't like bashing Hortlund because we have cyber sex every Thursday evening- that and he bashes himself quite often.
Life has been stressing me out lately- the Franchise Tax Board wants to do a full audit on me, my house has been on the market for months and still no good offers,I owe the IRS another 7800.00 in income tax, I lost my largest client so I have to actually solicit for work, my mother in law is coming to visit for a week, my daughter came home with a tattoo on her back and her new boyfriend has a pierced tounge. Look up stress in the dictionary right now to see my picture.
Far West is good right now cause it's full and during the week there's hardly nobody there. We'll hit the river later in the summer, once the resivors are too low for safe boating. Lincoln might be out of the way but you should cruise up just to see how quickly urban sprawl has spread to the countryside- in fact Lincoln is a traffic jam on most weekends. By all means c'mon up for a ski or a wakeboard, only rule is no alcohol cause I had to quit drinking and misery loves company.
Anyway I apologize, in spite of what's been posted on bbs I've never met a AW or AH player (over 20 so far) I haven't liked. I'm sure if we met face to face the stark contrast of black on white we type here would be softened with a handshake and a laugh. As Dale says, it's time to keep it somewhat civil.
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Curval,
I'm sorry that happened. I do admit that we have people that slam others. Sad that it happens.
The difference I saw was that people advertise games on our boards all the time. The did it before our forums were closed We don't jump them like people get jumped when the post about WWIIOL.
My thoughts are that if you don't like the game that's fine but don't assume that you speak for everyone on your boards. If we get a forum or two opened up to you and you come to our forums and advertise AH and I flame you and several other guys flame you, are we skokesmen for the 15,000 players who play WWIIOL.
Would we be right for flaming you in the first place? If we have two forums opened up to you, one an OT forum and one a Q&A about WWIIOL would we be right to flame you for posting in the WWIIOL Q&A forum? Would it maybe just be better to PM a mod and say, "hey check out this thread, it needs to be moved to the OT forum."
The fact is that we at WWIIOL forums aren't perfect but we don't flame people for talking about nor advertaising a game the way Ring was flamed here. Even if they religiously advertise the game as some have done with certain games on our boards.
I guess not being used to that made it stand out to me.
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I called you WWIIOLers a bunch of names in the other thread. I would apologize and say I didn't mean it, but I'd be lying, so I'll spare you the hypocrisy. Suffice it to say that I don't like your methods, and so I don't like you. Not all of you, but the majority.
The big difference between whatever discussions there have been on the WWIIOL boards about AH and the discussions that have occured here regarding WWIIOL are this: There, everyone involved has an account and supports WWIIOL. They are on the BBS because they have an interest in that game. They participate in many threads outside of the one that talks about AH. If they don't, then everything I say about you applies to them as well. Here, many of you have no real interest in AH. You are here only to promote WWIIOL. All of your posts come in threads talking about the wonders of WWIIOL. This nebulous "I was thinking of trying AH" interest that some of you profess seems nothing if not feigned.
I couldn't care less about WWIIOLer sensitivities. I am not inserting myself into your community. You are inserting yourself into this one. It is your responsibility to conform to whatever rules of etiquette exist here. If I was posting over there, the roles would be reversed. That most of you don't give a **** is just another indicator that you have no real interest in this game or bbs beyond its ability to serve as a promotional opportunity for WWIIOL.
Which, along with your zombie-like persistence, is why I see you as virtual Amway salesmen, bbs telemarketers and eHari Krishnas. You are ringing the doorbells on HTC street for no reason than to try and sell us something. Is it any wonder that you get some doors slammed in your face?
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Originally posted by Airhead
Life has been stressing me out lately- the Franchise Tax Board wants to do a full audit on me, my house has been on the market for months and still no good offers,I owe the IRS another 7800.00 in income tax, I lost my largest client so I have to actually solicit for work, my mother in law is coming to visit for a week, my daughter came home with a tattoo on her back and her new boyfriend has a pierced tounge. Look up stress in the dictionary right now to see my picture.
Thanks man, all the stress I've got in my life and now I have to deal with your problems too!!! I think I'll go slash my wrists! :p
Originally posted by Airhead
As Dale says, it's time to keep it somewhat civil.
That's all I'm saying, we aren't perfect and neither are you guys but maybe we could be a little more civil and maybe even have some friendly matches in IL2:FB. Maybe a squad that plays both would emerge and what in the world could be better as we would see the best and worst of both games and be in a good position to offer insights that could help improve the games.
That was what Killer was talking about when he said the Sim community was better off when it was a closer knit community. That was an eye opener, the Dev's want our business but they don't want Psychotic stalking fanboys. They aren't going to slash their wrists if we get along a little better. They aren't going to kill themselves if some of us play both games. I dare say that would enhance the communities and make the Dev's quite happy as both games would have a player increase.
Maybe if I join AH I will try to organize the players that play both games into a dedicated Allied (Allies need help) air squad in WWWIIOL and a tight knit squad in AH with squad nights each week in both games.
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Lance (who the **** is he anyway?) hit the nail on the head. The problem arrizes because of who is posting this stuff. If someone who has been around here for awhile posted the "hey, look, WW2OL has a free trial for you to try" thread, they would not have been flamed. What's more, if they even started to talk about the good things that are going on over there, they probably would have created a much more constructive discussion.
The problem is not what is being said, but who is saying it. Anyone can sign up for and post to this board, regardless of whether they actually pay or play AH. This is not the case with WW2OL. Who posts the "ads" over in their forums for the various games? Seeing as I would have to subscribe to the game to be able to post, chances are it isn't me (or any other outsider). That is what it boils down to. People are naturally going to be putoff by some stranger coming around extolling the virtues of the new wonder elixir that will cure all.
How about this, when the CRS/WW2OL/Playnet/whatever forums are open for others to join and post to, then you can come over here. Otherwise, you are just pissing into the wind trying to get people here to join your game after the problems that many of them and/or their friends have had with WW2OL in spite of any dramatic enhancements that have occured in the past 2 years.
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Well the mysterious AH guy flaming on the WWIIOL boards comes here to expose who he is. LOL
Well seriously guy I'm not about to lend credence to a single thing you say since unlike every single WWIIOLer who came her and used their WWIIOL name here, you went to WWIIOL's boards and used a different name. Suspect to say the least.
I have learned what I came here to learn. There are some very good people on these boards. There are also some total idiots. I cna deal with the idiots as long as their are a few reasonable people here. to those who are mature enough to not try to hide behind anonymity while they launch verbal insults.
As for sparing us the hypocrasy it's too late, you were already a hypocryte when you went to the WWIIOL boards and did exactly what you accused the WWIIOLers of doing only a lot worse. Deny it and I'll post a link to it and let those in your community decide. Some of the die hard flamers will support you but It is the voices of the moderates that will mean anything.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
Well the mysterious AH guy flaming on the WWIIOL boards comes here to expose who he is. LOL
Well, if you are talking about me, you are wrong. If you are talking about Lance, I know he didn't go over there. The thread he is referring to where he insulted you is the thread that was locked over here. Search the thread and you will see what he is referring to.
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Chauncey said...
so let me get this straight,you'd outright ban us because we play a different game and mention it once or twice?
Damn straight. If I own Mel's Diner and you camp in my lobby urging my patrons to eat at Joe's I'd toss you out.
like i said aces high has been mentioned on our forums many times and no one ever gives this kind of hostile response,its completely retarded.
That's cause all the people over there who discuss AH are WW2OL players. I have no doubt you're all in agreement on AH.
in the other thread i already mentioned the very good reasons only subscribers can posto n our boards.
The real reason non-subscribers can't post is because CRS doesn't want negative comments about their game. Now I wonder why that's a concern for them yet HTC's bbs are generally free of people who come in for the sole purpose of attacking HTC's product?
the mods are already over worked,just during this free trial there have been a few dozen free trial accounts made for the sole purpose of disrupting and spamming.
CRS should hire Skuzzy. He manages to babysit us quite well plus he still has time to do his "real" job. Not to mention that he'll work for beer...
if anyone could post this would be non stop 24/7 and our forums would be shut down or be rendered comepletely useless.
By "anyone" do you mean disgruntled former players? Intresting how the problems you have on your boards don't happen here...unless we get visited by a group of WW2OL fanbois, like now.
i wish we'd atleast have a single forum though where non subscribers could post.
Wish in one hand and poop in the other and tell me which one fills up first. In the meantime feel free to discuss WW2OL on CheckSix.Net or Furball Central- that way we can flame ya without emberassing HTC.
it started out as just a simple "hi there hey wwIIol is offering a free trial".
Yup- it started out as a commercial for a rival product in Dale's living room.
you guys started to spew lies about wwIIol and insult our playerbase and the devs directly,so we felt the need to put forth the facts so a player can make his own decision.
I thought it was more back and forth, but if you see it as entirely one way then that speaks more of your bias than anything else. Whatever, the thread got locked because of misinformation distributed by WW2OL players concerning the way AH's flight modeling is done.
also notice that we kept it civil while many AH players were using obscenities and personal insults rather then maturely discussing it.
We have an obsenity filter here- we call it the "BGBMAW squelcher." I'm sorry, though, if I said anything that hurt the feelings of our WW2OL "guests."
there you go with that only 1 possible game mentality,i mean no one can play both right?
no one expected you to all quit,but maybe ring was hoping some people would find it interesting.
For the vast majority of players only one sim is possible due to time and/or money constraints. In fact it was you guys who were talking about your superior flight modeling which shows you indeed recognize the competivive nature of flight sims and the limited audience for them. To suggest otherwise is like suggesting Toyota and Honda aren't in competition with each other.
you are assuming some sinister intent.
No, I just recognize this for what it is- an attempt to attract players to your game. It's not sinister, it's just a commercial. .
if your game is so great why do you feel so threatend about us stating the facts about our game?
If YOUR Game is so great then why are "outsiders" banned from discussing it on your boards? Oh yeah- the overworked moderator theory. Gee, with ten thousand subscribers at twelve fifty a pop you'd think CRS could afford another moderator.
the landing on water is that big a deal to you?
Not if my plane has floats on it. Otherwise it should sink. Where is this "more realistic modeling" you boast about if planes can taxi up to boats and have a Mechwarrior-type battle?
i never even noticed that you could because ive never tried,the only reason its not fixed yet is cause its not important right now,it doesnt effect the game in any way.
Now THAT statement makes me want to try out WW2OL- floating planes are insignificant in the face of all the other bugs and glitches with the game. What you're saying is that WW2OL is far far far from complete and is still basically in Beta.
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do they have that working on their flight and vehicle modeling still or have they decided to use real data yet?
lazs
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Originally posted by Mathman
Lance (who the **** is he anyway?) hit the nail on the head. The problem arrizes because of who is posting this stuff. If someone who has been around here for awhile posted the "hey, look, WW2OL has a free trial for you to try" thread, they would not have been flamed. What's more, if they even started to talk about the good things that are going on over there, they probably would have created a much more constructive discussion.
The problem is not what is being said, but who is saying it. Anyone can sign up for and post to this board, regardless of whether they actually pay or play AH. This is not the case with WW2OL. Who posts the "ads" over in their forums for the various games? Seeing as I would have to subscribe to the game to be able to post, chances are it isn't me (or any other outsider). That is what it boils down to. People are naturally going to be putoff by some stranger coming around extolling the virtues of the new wonder elixir that will cure all.
How about this, when the CRS/WW2OL/Playnet/whatever forums are open for others to join and post to, then you can come over here. Otherwise, you are just pissing into the wind trying to get people here to join your game after the problems that many of them and/or their friends have had with WW2OL in spite of any drmamtic enhancements that have occured in the past 2 years.
this is where you are wrong, WWIIOL's boards were not always exclusive to WWIIOL players. Even before the boards were exclusive people who weren't signed up posted ads for other games. Sometimes it was ex-players sometimes it was someone who had no interest in WWIIOL. We knew this because they would bash WWIIOL for the bad launch. Funny that didn't bother us. Even Blair posted links to other games. Those were the few threads Blair was involved in that didn't turn into flame fests.
But there is the point. We did have Blair. Feel thankful that you didn't have Blair in your game and forums. I can only tell you to take the 10 worst flames against you on these boards, up the volume then multiply the number of those flames by 1000 and you start to get the idea of why the community to call for the forums to be restricted to subscribers only.
It wasn't to keep you out, it was to keep Blair out since he was banned from the game. We thought it was a fool proof idea but we didn't think about the consequences. We also didn't realize that Blair would go out and buy up a bunch of discount copies of the game to get access to the forum and then create multiple free trial accounts to access the boards.
Seriously guys it wasn't to keep you guys out. If anything we would welcome you guys to come and speak about your game and any other game you wish. We are just gamers wholove games. Like I said, I would welcome it because it never hurts to learn about a game or a new promotion it is doing. I don't have to take advantage of it just because someone posted it.
I do like people talking about there games for a few reasons. I get a better idea of what the game is like than if a Magazine reviewer pops his head into the game for a day or two. Seriously if a PC Gamer staff guy came to review Ah how long would he have to spend in the game to give a true assesment of the game.
If the game is weak and shallow it won't take long to review it. However if the game is deep and involving it will take more time than he is willing to spend. So I would rather hear from people that know the game inside and out.
So the point is that you are sensitive because it is WWIIOLers telling you about the game and only came to your board to tell you about the game. I and many other WWIIOLers welcome you to talk about your game. I'll give you this much, I will put actions where my mouth is. I will ask that CRS make the OT forum a public forum and I will ask that they create a new public forum called WWIIOL Q&A.
I can also tell you that if you come to our boards and advertise the free trial of AH I will support you and I will even defend you if attacked just as I have been defended by some mature folks here
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Heh! Now this should be good for some laughs. I deny it. I swear to George Bush that I have not been to the WWIIOL boards since I was a beta tester however long ago that was. Please post your proof, it will only add to the hilarity.
As for hiding behind the internet, I don't. I would call you a low-rent Amway-salesman wanna-be and tell you to **** off in person if you accosted me on the street and kept repeatedly trying to get me to do something that I didn't want to do. Funny, I have never had that happen, though. Perhaps it is you all that are hiding behind the anonymity of the internet with your incessant sales pitches?
Gordo
Fat Drunk Bastards
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Originally posted by Mathman
Well, if you are talking about me, you are wrong. If you are talking about Lance, I know he didn't go over there. The thread he is referring to where he insulted you is the thread that was locked over here. Search the thread and you will see what he is referring to.
I apologize, I read his post again just now. I took his statement to mean he was in the other "WWIIOL" thread.
Being honest i wouldn't doubt if it were Blair again. He is obsessed and I hope he never tries AH as I wouldn't wish that on you guys ever.
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Originally posted by Lance
Heh! Now this should be good for some laughs. I deny it. I swear to George Bush that I have not been to the WWIIOL boards since I was a beta tester however long ago that was. Please post your proof, it will only add to the hilarity.
As for hiding behind the internet, I don't. I would call you a low-rent Amway-salesman wanna-be and tell you to **** off in person if you accosted me on the street and kept repeatedly trying to get me to do something that I didn't want to do. Funny, I have never had that happen, though. Perhaps it is you all that are hiding behind the anonymity of the internet with your incessant sales pitches?
Gordo
Fat Drunk Bastards
You like G.W. that much? Well maybe we have something in common after all. I love the guy as a Pres.
As for the rest you have to understand that the billboards are a public place. You don't have to be rude. See the fact is that the thread itself is not your home. I mean you act as if Ring is an Amway salesman pounding on your door. Actually it is more like him being in a mall and you running up to a booth to swear at him.
See the point is that you have to click on the thread to be exposed to it. If you don't like what you see you go to another store in the mall by exiting the thread. You don't have to go back to the Amway store if you don't like Amway, right? If you happen to walk inot an Amway store not knowing it was an Amway store because it didn't say Amway on the front you can simply exit the store when you discover that it is indeed an Amway store right? nobody is forcing you to enter the thread or stay there when you don't like the topic. Right?
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(looking suspiciously at imsneaky) What ya'all think about the French over there at WW2OL? (Sorry Straffo, couldn't resist) ;)
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Originally posted by Airhead
I don't like bashing Hortlund because we have cyber sex every Thursday evening- that and he bashes himself quite often.
You bastard!! You promised to keep that a secret! Well, I guess our encounters on the range channel in the tower at a1 on the Baltic map is officially over then.
btw I faked every one you bastard!
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Originally posted by Airhead
(looking suspiciously at imsneaky) What ya'all think about the French over there at WW2OL? (Sorry Straffo, couldn't resist) ;)
Well, we Allied have to decide between playing the British Expetionary Forces or the Freedom Forces.
Sorry but Freedom is the only word that starts with Fre that you will get us to say. :D
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like i said aces high has been mentioned on our forums many times and no one ever gives this kind of hostile response,its completely retarded.
Oooohhhhh bulltoejam! I call bulltoejam ref!!! Bulllllllllsssssshhhhhhhheeee eeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt ttt!!!!!!
Maybe not recently, since the playnet forums are closed to the public... but when those boards were public, it looked like a rabid 15 year old with turrets got loose over there.
-SW
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Not where other games were concerned. believe me the most serious flaming was with Blair.
Like I said, I heard about AH there and nobody flamed it. people did point out differences, some good and some bad. But it wasn't flaming.
One thing I can remember as bad was that AH didn't have infantry at all and the damage model was not as deep.
I do remember that it was mentioned that the flightmodel was more polished (not a better or more intense system just more polished) but that they felt the WWIIOL model would eventually surpass it once the bugs were worked out. Other good things were that AH had more aircraft and ships. I believe someone sadi you guys could put squadron logos on the planes too, not sure. That was considered very cool. Maybe that was IL2.
I don't call this flaming. They expressed opinions good and bad about both WWIIOL and AH.
I can honestly say though that it will depend on the attitude of the posters. Flames will be met with flames. However Ring's post would not have met with a flame.
I'll give you an example in the next post as I can use the pad....eeerrrmmm...I mean I don't want this post to get too long. :p
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Let me put it this way: No amount of saying what you saw or read will remove the memories *I* have of visiting those boards during WWIIOl's release to witness threads about AH turn into an uneducated ghetto smack talking match.
So, in conclusion- yes, it is a fact that AH was repeatedly flamed before the boards were made closed.
Maybe the more gullible will believe your version of the tale, but I can see right through your lil' charade you've got going on here.
-SW
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Imsneaky one feature AH has that I urge you and your WW2OL mates to try is the free 8 player head to head arena. The entire AH download is relatively small, and if your computer can handle WW2OL it should be able to handle AH no problem. Get together with your buddies, and if you need advice I'm sure there's some AH vets who'll fly free multiplayer to help you out. Try it out, what do you have to lose?
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OK, let's say we get a couple of forums opened up and
AKS \/\/ulfe decides to go there and post about AH. Here is a couple of examples, one good and one bad.
Hey guys, AKS \/\/ulfe here, saw a post on our forums a while back about a free trial for WWIIOL. Not really interestedin WWIIOL but I thought I would stop by here and let you guys know about the free two week trial AH has going 365 days a year.
The deal goes like this, you get two weeks free and don't have to provide a credit card.........
Here are some of the features you might find interesting:
Late model aircraft
Many large ships
The ability to fly Allied aircraft as German and German aircraft as Allied
XX total number of aircraft
XX total number of ground vehicles
XX total number ships
shore batteries
Feature
feature
feature
etc
etc
etc
Hey, I personally think AH is a better game but I guess I'm prejudiced. I also am intelligent enough to understand that most people here would not agree with me which is cool, we all like what we like.
Anyway, one of your guys came to our forums a while back to let us know about a free trial for WWIIOL. That's cool and he obviously loves the game but I love AH and figured why not let you guys know about AH too. Hey it never hurts to give it a free try right?
Anyway if you choose to check it out look me up and I'll show ya the ropes in AH.
Later guys
Nothing wrong with this at all, he doesn't have to come in say he doesn't like his game or that he thinks WWIIOL is better. He can be truthfull, nothing wrong with it at all. It's all about the presentation.
Now for the wrong approach.
Hey WWIIOL a**wipes, one of you punkazz bitc**s came to ur forums to post about the free trial for lame excuse for a game. Well I'm here to tell ya about a real game.
Our game is great
Your game sucks
our game is great
your game sucks
our game blah
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
Anyways, if any of you punks are done wastin time in WWIIOL then you might want to come on over and try out a real game.
OK maybe this is how you feel but are you showing any sign of intelligence by writing something like that?
I mean by saying something like that you have basically put a sign on your forhead that says "aim flame thrower here"!
I would say that you get what you are looking for.
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Which is what Ring and PuppetAce got...
:D
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No, I was being sarcastic. I think George Bush is the Antichrist.
So when are you acting upon your interest in AH and starting your free trial account?
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I love the implication that if you were one of the folks screwed by CRS on ww2ol's debut, you have no right to say anything now because the game has changed so much.
Thats just plain stupid.
When someone craps in your mouth, you don't go back to them later and ask for more to see if the flavor has changed. Instead you warn everyone that these guys will crap in your mouth.
...and again I will reiterate that killer is a coward. He makes snide-assed remarks behind the safe a cozy walls of his closed BBS. Chicken****.
F.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
I have learned what I came here to learn. There are some very good people on these boards. There are also some total idiots.
So, if you learned what you came to learn, why stay? Just leave. That will have the side effect of changing the good/idiot ratio in a very favorable manner.
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Are you educating me on how to present a review of a game or how to critique it? Sure looks like thats what you are attempting.
May I ask why? No, nevermind, I truly don't give a toejam why you posted that.
I will say this: Playnet USED to have public forums, I NEVER posted there. I only read the infantile drivel posted there.
Infantile drivel is a lenient description of what I read, to say the least.
-SW
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I wish you guys could be at least civil enough to keep this thread from being locked. What you, as AH players, SHOULD be doing is encouraging Imsneaky and his buds to check out AH, not trying your damndest to drive him away and convince him our Community is a collection of rude jerks.
Really Imsneaky, if you download AH and check out free multiplayer I'd be happy to pop in and help you get started.
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Think he's sincere Airhead... seriously...?
Mini is right about this much: His posts are strikingly similiar in their construction to one of his WWIIOl promoting predecessors.
-SW
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Seriously, most of you guys "defending" AH in this and the previous thread are behaving like 13yrolds. Personally I think you are a disgrace to the community. But YMMV.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Which is what Ring and PuppetAce got...
:D
Except that Ring didn't come here and insult you guys or say your game sucked or anything like that. In fact his insinuation was that by your being here you must love your game but hey some of us can afford another game so if that's you why not check this one out too. Here's some of the features.
That's like the post I gave as the first example that would be fine to post at WWIIOL if I can get the forums opened up.
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Originally posted by Lance
No, I was being sarcastic. I think George Bush is the Antichrist.
So when are you acting upon your interest in AH and starting your free trial account?
Here is the predicament I am in. I am stationed in Sicily but I am moving back to the U.S. on the 10th of this month. That's less than a week away. Worse my computer and the rest of my express shipment gets packed up on friday. that is just 3 days away.
The rest of my household goods have already been packed out back in April. Those take about 60 days to get there so they have an expected delivery date of 1 July.
The express shipment takes 1 month to be delivered so it will also be around the first week of July. Give me a week or two to help the wife get the place set up and I will be back online.
That's when I expect to take advantage of it. Make me a deal though because I know you think I am being disengenuous, if I do this will you join me for two weeks in a free trial and multicrew bombers, tanks and stuff like that with me in WWIIOL? Couldn't hurt right? If it's free? Like I said, I am a game not some game groupie. If AH is fun you can expect to see more of me. It doesn't have to be more realistic than WIIOL becuse it won't be and that's not important to me. It just has to be fun.
I would also like the opprtunity to see if you are willing to put your money where your mouth is so to speak. You come off all cocky like you ave all the answers but I know that if you new WWIIOL like I know it you wouldn't act like that or say the stuff you say.
It's simple, you are calling me out like an old west gunfighter. So when I step out of the sallon onto the street are you going to go duck and hide or will you accept my challenge also?
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If it helps at all, imagine a comma after the word "there". Or put the word "over" just before it, so it becomes "At least over there, Britian fits on the map..."
If he had done then then it would have been correct.
BUT HE DIDN'T.
He used it in the possessive context. Period.
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
If he had done then then it would have been correct.
BUT HE DIDN'T.
He used it in the possessive context. Period.
Here is DMF's post:
You find that impressive? I guess you haven't played the Combat Theatre with an accurate ETO map lately. At least there Britain fits on the map in case you want to do late war matchups.
You were and are still wrong. Please persist. It's fun to watch.
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Do we really need to argue about a comma or who was right? the fact is that without the word "over" it is confusing and the sentence was improper. That being said, whoopie doo. We all do that from time to time on these boards.
Simply ask for a clarification.
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Shouldn't this argument have ended with the Holy Invocation of His Supreme Omnipotence Doc Doom?
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It shouldn't have been an arguement. You try to bury the hatchet but some dog comes by, digs it up and starts slingin it around. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Furious
...and again I will reiterate that killer is a coward. He makes snide-assed remarks behind the safe a cozy walls of his closed BBS. Chicken****.
Then he brags about how he didn't have to lock the thread on the WW2OL board. Of course he doesn't, since dissenting opinions are barred at the door.
Of course that is all the fault of the publisher, or whatever.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Then he brags about how he didn't have to lock the thread on the WW2OL board. Of course he doesn't, since dissenting opinions are barred at the door.
Of course that is all the fault of the publisher, or whatever.
He was refering to the fact that someone from AH went to the WWIIOL site and joined the 7 day trial just to post and got extremely rude. As is typical, instead of getting rude back many just tried to debate with the guy. he was having none of it and did nothing but rant and rave.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Think he's sincere Airhead... seriously...?
Mini is right about this much: His posts are strikingly similiar in their construction to one of his WWIIOl promoting predecessors.
-SW
Ahhh SW, sorry to butt in here but reading the thread in the WW2OL forum it looks like at least a few of them have actually downloaded and signed up for their two weeks. There are a few unhappy people in WW2OL looking for a new game (just as there in AH), especially on the Axis side. So don't be suprised if you do get some ex-WW2OL newbies in AH, and be nice to em, they might just stay.
And Imsneaky's handle in WW2OL is the same (imsneaky) so I don't think its hardcase.
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I will cry myself to sleep tonight knowing that you think I am a disgrace to the community, Hortlund. Seriously.
Imsneaky, welcome back to the States! I hope your move goes well. You must forgive me, but I am going to have to consider you as full of it for another 6 weeks or so until you actually show that you have an interest in AH beyond using its services to promote WWIIOL. I will reassess when and if you show differently.
As for your high noon, mano-a-mano, showdown-at-the-WWIIOL-corrall challenge, I am afraid I must decline. It just sounds entirely too homoerotic for my tastes. Beyond that, I have absolutely zero interest in WWIIOL. I never claimed to have any. Not playing WWIIOL is where my mouth is, so to speak. I am flattered, though!
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I'll be nice to new players...
but I despise telemarketers, and anyone trying to sell me on a game I know I don't like is no better than a telemarketer.
They must all perish in a brimstone ridden fiery hell run by Hitler with Stalin as second in command.
IMO of course. :)
-SW
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Was that our hero I saw ducking behind the skirt of the town potato? LOL :p
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"Shouldn't this argument have ended with the Holy Invocation of His Supreme Omnipotence Doc Doom?"
just knowing that drunken blowhard is part of WWIIOL assures me that all the modeling is flawed and biased in the extreme. The sim can't be worth even a small amount of effort to download and try .... free or not, if they are dumb enough to keep that blowhard. Still... A sim full of 13 year olds might appreciate him so maybe they know what they are doing. I bet he can finaly shoot someone down now that he has some "control" over the situation tho.
imsneak... that is the difference. I say... If you are interested in trying AH just shut up and do it. it's free. OTOH... I am not in the least interested in trying WWIIOL even if I were paid by the hour to do so... well... I might do it if I were paid enough...
lazs
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
Except that Ring didn't come here and insult you guys or say your game sucked or anything like that. In fact his insinuation was that by your being here you must love your game but hey some of us can afford another game so if that's you why not check this one out too. Here's some of the features.
That's like the post I gave as the first example that would be fine to post at WWIIOL if I can get the forums opened up.
The fact is, his post was nothing more than an advertisement for WW2OL, no more or no less. It wasn't, "Hey golly gee williker guys, here's this new game I found" kind of a post but a spam sort of advert you sometimes unfortunately receive in your email. He even worded it like a frickin' advert, so don't come here and tell us he meant nothing but wine and roses with it. It was a blatent attempt at spamming an advert for WW2OL. That's what rubbed us the wrong way. It was in extremely bad form, just as your defending his actions are.
Ack-Ack
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Heh, he was desperately hoping to avoid being noticed by the village idiot, but no such luck.
How do you find the time to post so much between your military duties and packing for your impending move halfway across the world, Notsosneaky?
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I bet they are all personal friends of the little, fat , drunken,aussie, dwarf besides.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Hey, speaking of late war matchups, how are those WW2OL P-47s coming along?
-- Todd/Leviathn
What does it matter if the flight model is no better than the old RR arenas of AW? The FA community can raise their heads up high because finally there's a game that has a worst flight model than theirs.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by ZeroAce
(http://www.freewebs.com/nrakjar/wooo.jpg)
FYI - "Their", not "There".
FYI - There, not Their
Lev was talking about a location not a person(s) or group of people, so therefore There is correct.
Nice try though, NEXT!
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
What does it matter if the flight model is no better than the old RR arenas of AW? The FA community can raise their heads up high because finally there's a game that has a worst flight model than theirs.
Ack-Ack
(choke) You had to say it didn't ya Ack Ack? Don't you know it still hurts? I'm trying to heal and whenever someone says "Air Warrior" it sets my recovery back six months...and when they say "Relaxed Realism" it sets my recovery back a full year. :(
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Originally posted by lazs2
I bet they are all personal friends of the little, fat , drunken,aussie, dwarf besides.
lazs
How DARE you talk about my buddy Hortlund like that! You take it back! :mad:
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Some of you are some sad sack, bitter little puppies. :(
For those who seem so intent on insulting DocDoom at least have an idea on what part of the sim he works on. He builds towns, afaik he has nothing to do with the FM. However I gather that will not stop you from insulting somebody anyway possible. /shrug
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lol these guys sound like dope dealers...
cmon the first 7 days are free, try it.. try it.. try it..
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Originally posted by chaunsey
see my previous reply as to why you cant post on our forums,a company of 20 people with only 1 guy to deal with issues on the forums and such cant afford all the extra problems.
I just couldn't quite let this one slip past unnoticed. How many people are on the HTC staff? 7? And how many monitor the bbs for unruly behavior? Just Skuzzy? Doesn't seem to be a problem here.....
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I think they believe HTC is on a parallel with EA or something in terms of size.
I think that is an immense compliment.
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Originally posted by mjolnir
I just couldn't quite let this one slip past unnoticed. How many people are on the HTC staff? 7? And how many monitor the bbs for unruly behavior? Just Skuzzy? Doesn't seem to be a problem here.....
Your forums aren't as busy as WWIIOL's though. It is nothing to make a post on a thread then have tolook for it on page 2, 10 minutes later.
this is with closed forums. Can you imagine how bad it would be with open forums.
And again, your forums have not had to deal with a Blair. he is a one man wrecking crew in that regard, not that is a compliment though he will probably take it that way. It is because he is so obsessed.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
Your forums aren't as busy as WWIIOL's though. It is nothing to make a post on a thread then have tolook for it on page 2, 10 minutes later.
Just because it's not happening today doesn't mean it doesn't happen here too, Sneaky. These forums have gotten a little cold at the moment while we wait for AH2 to be released and don't have a war to talk about. But posts disappear pretty quickly when there's something worth talking about.
Now I admit, I have no idea what the WW2OL boards are like, because the game holds no interest for me so I haven't bothered to look. There's a chance that you're right and there are 15,000 monkeys with typewriters going at it all day every day there. But somehow I don't think the boards are as different as you'd like to believe. There may be different people in each, but the same events in the same world can only be talked about so many different ways. And if there's one thing I've learned from reading this BBS, it's that people love to talk, even when no one feels like listening to them. Which is probably what I'm doing right now, so I'll stop here.
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Originally posted by mjolnir
Just because it's not happening today doesn't mean it doesn't happen here too, Sneaky. These forums have gotten a little cold at the moment while we wait for AH2 to be released and don't have a war to talk about. But posts disappear pretty quickly when there's something worth talking about.
Now I admit, I have no idea what the WW2OL boards are like, because the game holds no interest for me so I haven't bothered to look. There's a chance that you're right and there are 15,000 monkeys with typewriters going at it all day every day there. But somehow I don't think the boards are as different as you'd like to believe. There may be different people in each, but the same events in the same world can only be talked about so many different ways. And if there's one thing I've learned from reading this BBS, it's that people love to talk, even when no one feels like listening to them. Which is probably what I'm doing right now, so I'll stop here.
LOL nah, I was listening. :p Don't let the fact that I was staring at your manboobs mislead you. I was listening. :eek:
:p
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Actually the WWIIOL boards are the busiest boards I have ever been on. It lists 30 threads per page and there are 12 pages of threads. If you want to keep track of a thread you have to save it in your favorites in your browser because if it falls off the 12th page you lose the ability to get to it.
It is nothing to post in a topic on a friday night and go back Saturday night and can't find it on any of the 12 pages. This is on the OT forum though. The Barracks for Infantry discussion and the Hangar are the two next busiest forums and it may take a couple of days for a topic to fall off the forum.
these are normal days, when something big is going on it gets crazy.
Don't take it as a slight to AH, it's a compliment. You guys must actually have lives! :p
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Your forums have some nice features missing from the WWIIOL ones. You have the cool smilies, ours don't. So I hijack them for use in a post over there sometimes! :p
You also get an email notification if someone responded to a thread you have posted in. We don't have that. It would be nice to have.
We also don't have the auto quote, url, bold, underline buttons, etc...
Those are nice to have. We have to actually type the forum code stuff lol.
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I just picked up a pirated copy of WWIIOL.......
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_50_1053113348.jpg)
FOR ME TO POOP ON
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Originally posted by AWMac
I just picked up a pirated copy of WWIIOL.......
FOR ME TO POOP ON
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Ah... just what the O'Club needed. Another non-AH player coming in and critiquing everyone else.... all the while failing to realize he himself has the comprehension of a 12 year old.
imsneaky, you really should have just left well enough alone. Trying to come in here and pretend that somehow over the course of playing WW2OL for the last two years you just learned about AH in time to witness the "immaturity" of a thread and become disillusioned with the entire AH community as a rusult is just plane idiocy and the epitomy of immaturity.
Continuing in the thread (36 of 137 posts) in the way you have has done nothing to drive home the "one community is more/less mature" point you were initially trying to make. You look like hardcase. That is not intended as a compliment.
Let it go and get back to your own game. But what am I saying?... that would be the mature thing to do.
MiniD
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:rolleyes:
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Actually I have learned after closer observation that your forums though less populated and less busy are the same as ours with one exception.
We don't treat other games such as AH and the players from that game as badly as Ring was treated here.
Even the guy from AH who created a trial account just to get involved in the WWIIOL thread linked to Ring's post was not treated near as bad and he was asking for it. His posts were volatile and sniping yet for the most part people just tried to debate with him. One or two may have sniped back but that is just the opposite here.
Nearly everyone who posted in Ring's thread was rude and condescending. He did nothing wrong. Yes he advertised the game to people he thought might like it. Whoopie Doo.
Like I said, if you created an free trial account for WWIIOL just to get access to the boards and advertised AH you would get a much different response. Would you get a flame here and there? Of course, we have our share of idiots too but most would not have.
You would have gottne a few guys who would say, "I played AH back when........
So what's new in the game? Maybe I'll try the free trial to see whats up."
Some would have said "I am happy with AH, thanks but no thanks."
Nothing wrong with that. The big difference is that you wouldn't get flamed to death for doing so.
We aren't so sensitive about someone advertising a game. Even the hated Blair does it when he gets access to the forums. He doesn't get flamed till he starts attacking WWIIOL. It's the same old story, he posts about a new game like he did with Bf1942. And Planetside beta. A lot of people even said, "thanks man I'll check it out."
Pretty tame threads but then his obsession takes over and he can't help himself and starts saying that the other game will spell the end of WWIIOL. then he'll go on a tirade about how he hates WWIIOL. :rolleyes:
Point is that even someone so hated as Blair can post an advertisment in the WWIIOL threads and not get flamed.
He gets flamed for attacking the game and player base.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
Actually I have learned after closer observation that your forums thoughless populated and less busy are the same as ours with one exception.
We don't treat other gmaes such as AH and the players from that game as badly as Ring was treated here.
LOL! the irony of that post escapes nobody.
Once again... posting to say the exact same thing. Nothing new, just repetitive. Ala hardcase.
Grow up. Go home.
MiniD
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The more I think of it the scenario reminds me of this.
The way you acted towards Ring reminds me of the insecurity of a guy getting pissed at his girl because she is talking to a good looking guy at a bar you two are at. You get all worked up over nothing.
When we are in the same situation we don't get all worked up over it. On the other hand if he were to walk over and start ragging on us, we show him the door.
What you don't realize and I think is quite amusing is that we post a thread like this and some people come to check it out. Not the ones spouting off mind you, a silent few who do not wish to engage in the childishness.
But go ahead, I expect another childish tirade.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mini D
LOL! the irony of that post escapes nobody.
Once again... posting to say the exact same thing. Nothing new, just repetitive. Ala hardcase.
Grow up. Go home.
MiniD
Once again, even after members of your community try to remind you that you do not speak for the community, you continue to act like a child throwing a temper tantrum.
{edit} rethought my post. it seems that mini is trying to bait me into a flamefest that will get this thread locked.
If I were doing anything wrong I'm sure Skuzzy would have locked the thread by now.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
Is your name WW2OL?
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
it seems that mini is trying to bait me into a flamefest that will get this thread locked.
Man, I hope so!
This thread has served its uselessness, its time to lock it to force you people back to your cages.
-SW
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That's all, nothing to see here folks.....move along.
:D
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Actually, can someone give me the link to that free trial?
I think I'm gonna give it a try.
Is it a free download + free trial?
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And something you fanbois always seem to fail to understand...you are driving people off when you are acting like this.
You are not "defending" AH, AH is good enough in itself and the game really doesnt need defending by the fanboi-mob.
You are hurting the game more than you are helping. Something to think about.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
And something you fanbois always seem to fail to understand...you are driving people off when you are acting like this.
Wait... who's fanbois are you talking about here? Ours or theirs?
perhaps both?
Maybe it's assenine to step into an argument between fanbois and then chose to take sides? I doubt you'd see that.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Furious
I love the implication that if you were one of the folks screwed by CRS on ww2ol's debut, you have no right to say anything now because the game has changed so much.
Thats just plain stupid.
When someone craps in your mouth, you don't go back to them later and ask for more to see if the flavor has changed. Instead you warn everyone that these guys will crap in your mouth.
...and again I will reiterate that killer is a coward. He makes snide-assed remarks behind the safe a cozy walls of his closed BBS. Chicken****.
F.
First off, it's not wrong for you to comment but it is just plain stupid when someone who hasn't gone back to try the game again tries to act like an authority on what the game is now.
Another point is that many people start ragging on the game they will state that they were burnt way back when and wouldn't try the game agin for anything, they later say the have been back every free trial to keep up on it. they do this when it is pointed out that people who have not tried it recently don't know what they are talking about as far as what the game is like today.
then other say they are trying the freetrial then claim to be having all kinds of problems, then it turns out that they aren't actually trying the free trial but just acting like they are to give try to give creedance to their claims that the game is still bugged to death.
It's sad that people have to get so worked up that they resort to such things.
As far ask Killer sniping it was more just making a point that when moderating a forum they often just delete the offending posts in a thread and type a warning to the person. If the people won't let it rest after awhile and it keeps getting uglier then they lock it.
Of course if the entire point of the thread is completely offending such as a Thread saying that all people of a certain race or from a certain country should be killed then they will lock it right away.
Kind of like the sticky in this forum saying that some of the things posted here were completely unnacceptable like laughing at someone's death.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Wait... who's fanbois are you talking about here? Ours or theirs?
perhaps both?
Maybe it's assenine to step into an argument between fanbois and then chose to take sides? I doubt you'd see that.
MiniD
Well, if you read the whole post, you would have understood that I was talking about our fanbois...guys like you, Lance, AKSW, AWMac.
You guys are a ****** disgrace. Sorry to have to break it to you like that, but thats the way it is.
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Montezuma, that was me in that post.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
It is an option as opposed to locking an entire thread. We are not big on removing a post from a thread.
Imsneaky, you are just as guilty of baiting. Hence the handle I suppose, but that is speculation on my part. Some of your posts undertones are laced with trite comments which serve no purpose other than to invoke a response, and a negative one at that.
Remove those trite comments and most of your posts read well.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Actually, can someone give me the link to that free trial?
I think I'm gonna give it a try.
Is it a free download + free trial?
Do you even play AH anymore?
Please go, and stay there.
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And I thought Swede's were Neutral...:confused:
:D
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Originally posted by Mini D
Wait... who's fanbois are you talking about here? Ours or theirs?
perhaps both?
Maybe it's assenine to step into an argument between fanbois and then chose to take sides? I doubt you'd see that.
MiniD
Point is that I am not a fanboy like you because as I have stated, I do not thrash people who suggest another game.
I take it that Skuzzy is an employee of Hitech, am I correct? Ok, since I am in favor of many players from both games, playing both games as subscribers which would bring in more money for both games and therefore allow for more money to be spent on developement I would say that Skuzzy would side with me not you Mini.
Why don't you ask him?
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
The more I think of it the scenario reminds me of this.
The way you acted towards Ring reminds me of the insecurity of a guy getting pissed at his girl because she is talking to a good looking guy at a bar you two are at. You get all worked up over nothing.
WHAT??? If MY woman even LOOKS at another dude I'll kill him and beat her!!! :mad: "All worked up over nothing" huh?
How long have you and my wife been seeing each other?? :mad:
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Hmmmmm. is it a point of trying to get AH players to make money for WWIIOL? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
The more I think of it the scenario reminds me of this.
The way you acted towards Ring reminds me of the insecurity of a guy getting pissed at his girl because she is talking to a good looking guy at a bar you two are at. You get all worked up over nothing.
When we are in the same situation we don't get all worked up over it. On the other hand if he were to walk over and start ragging on us, we show him the door.
What you don't realize and I think is quite amusing is that we post a thread like this and some people come to check it out. Not the ones spouting off mind you, a silent few who do not wish to engage in the childishness.
But go ahead, I expect another childish tirade.
:rolleyes:
You claim that we don't get it but with every post you make in here, it becomes obvious that it's you that doesn't quite get it. Posting an ad (and if you were to remove your phanboy rose tinted glasses, you would be able to see it for what it was) on the competition's message board is in very bad taste, just like it would have been if someone from here had posted one for AH on the WW2OL boards.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Montezuma, that was me in that post.
Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
It is an option as opposed to locking an entire thread. We are not big on removing a post from a thread.
Imsneaky, you are just as guilty of baiting. Hence the handle I suppose, but that is speculation on my part. Some of your posts undertones are laced with trite comments which serve no purpose other than to invoke a response, and a negative one at that.
Remove those trite comments and most of your posts read well.
Point taken, I will raise it a level.
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Here (http://idiots.nerdistheword.net/) you go, Hortlund! Have fun!
Please do try out WWIIOL, and go ahead and start an account just to show us how bad we are. Your coming out of pocket to spite the AH fanbois would be a tardtastic finale to this wonderful symphony of idiocy, heh.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
I take it that Skuzzy is an employee of Hitech, am I correct? Ok, since I am in favor of many players from both games, playing both games as subscribers which would bring in more money for both games and therefore allow for more money to be spent on developement I would say that Skuzzy would side with me not you Mini.
Why don't you ask him?
I'm sure Skuzzy and the rest of the crew at HTC objects to idiots spamming their message boards with adverts to the competitors games.
Ack-Ack
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I could of sworn someone was a fanboy if they sat around and excused away faults of their games as not being there, stating the game won't run because of user error (even if it runs only on 10% of the players computers), and constantly trying to promote their game everywhere they went.
Since I'm certain thats what constitutes a fanboy, I fail to see how I am one.
You're just upset I called your faith a fairy tell Hortlund.
-SW
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Imsneaky, I am as neutral as anyone can be. I have to be. Do not presume I would side with anyone on this bulletin board. I won't.
This thread has pretty much run its useful course though. Once a thread gets to the point of not being recognized by the topic, it is pretty done.
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Lance, maybe he just wants to check out the game. If my system were good enough I'd check it out too. Anyway if it still sucks Hortlund will let us know.
Now Imsneaky, Sparrow, et. al. WW2OL players, the AH download is smaller than the average porn file and runs on older systems, and anyone who knows how to do multitasking can download AH while they pimp WW2OL at the same time. Really, educate yourselves by checking out the feee multiplayer. Host a game for WW2OL guys only, try it out and then you'll have a more informed basis for your opinions. You have absolutely nothing to lose so why haven't you done this yet?