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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Denwad on June 03, 2003, 01:42:09 AM
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You're paying 19.99 for the key to create an account. Boom, thats ALL you're paying for with that 19.99. Without the 'free trial' you'd have to activate the account with a valid credit card and pay 12.99 for your first month. The free trial gives you one month free.
AFAIK, AH and Shattered Galaxy are the only two MMOs that give you a free trial without having to purchase the software.
Everquest, AO1/2, Planetside and WWIIOL all follow the "pay for the software, and get a month free" business model.
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Why should i fly a plane in a SIM that has no flight modell
And its not only the 19.90, its billions of $ more for millions of GB of RAM to have 1 Frame
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Just so I 100% understand....
The FREE trial consists of saving you 12 dollars after spending 19?
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No Nash, the free trial consists of you paying nothing to try the game for 7 days.
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Originally posted by Denwad
... you'd have to activate the account with a valid credit card ...
False. They refuse valid credit cards (Visa Gold, to be precise) as a mean of payment.
What's funny, they tell me to go to my bank to ask for details...I actually work in that bank :D
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"No Nash, the free trial consists of you paying nothing to try the game for 7 days."
Ah gotcha....
The 19.99 is for the key AFTER the 7 free days are over.
Thanks.
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Nash, you have the coolest avatar of all time. Bastage.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Why should i fly a plane in a SIM that has no flight modell
And its not only the 19.90, its billions of $ more for millions of GB of RAM to have 1 Frame
How do you figure that it has no flight model? I believe it has a great flight model.
Both games have strengths and weaknesses.
Should we have a game of point out the other guys weaknesses?
First I'll do a disclaimer that having not tried the game yet, I do believe that it will be fun. Also having not tried AH yet I may be mistaken as I am just going on what you and other guys state and what I see in screen shots.
anyway AH has icons over every unit including the enemy units. Is this true? WWIIOL does not do that, only air units but the big difference is that frindly and enemy air icons are grey at a distance when in real life you would only see that a plane is there but not be able to tell friend or foe. Also when you change your view from say, front to left it takes a second for the icon to light up and fades in. This is realistic because in real life when you fly around and look to your left you will not instantly be drawn to the enemy aircraft by a neon sign saying "look here". It's a realistic amount of time it takes for target aquisition.
Our aircraft can actually hide in a cloud. I watched a 109 fly up into the clouds and his icon dissapeared. There were only a few aircraft at the airfield since it was early in the morning and not many people were on.
AH has no side specific rides, it's red vs blue not Axis vs Allies.
AH has no ground clutter.
AH has no infantry.
You actually have to search visually for the enemy and it looks more realistic because there is no neon sign telling you where he is.
AH does not have a damage model as intense as WWIIOL that models all the vitals in a plane or tank. Does the AH damage model take into acount armor thickness, slope, velocity of projectile etc, etc, etc. before it decides that a hit did any damage?
AH does not incorporate supply or attrition.
I guess my next point is this. Both games seem to have lot's of people who love them so they must be fun. So why is the bashing even necessary?
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If you are going to spam us with comparisons of AH and Jogging Sim 2000 err WWIIOL, at least get your facts right.
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Originally posted by Denwad
You're paying 19.99 for the key to create an account. Boom, thats ALL you're paying for with that 19.99. Without the 'free trial' you'd have to activate the account with a valid credit card and pay 12.99 for your first month. The free trial gives you one month free.
AFAIK, AH and Shattered Galaxy are the only two MMOs that give you a free trial without having to purchase the software.
Everquest, AO1/2, Planetside and WWIIOL all follow the "pay for the software, and get a month free" business model.
Way to "clear that up" man. Not. I still don't get it after reading this whole thread. So you are paying 19.99 for a 7 day "free trial"?
Nash seems to think that the 19.99 is paid after the 7 day period is over...but surely you need to create an account and require a key to get online for those 7 days...true or not?
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Nash, you have the coolest avatar of all time. Bastage.
I hate nash. My wife caught me staring endlessly at his avatar.
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Originally posted by Curval
Way to "clear that up" man. Not. I still don't get it after reading this whole thread. So you are paying 19.99 for a 7 day "free trial"?
Nash seems to think that the 19.99 is paid after the 7 day period is over...but surely you need to create an account and require a key to get online for those 7 days...true or not?
Not
7 days are free.
If you choose to subscribe after the 7 day trial, you pay for the game just as you would say EQ in the store by paying 19.99 for the keycode. Then you get the first 30 days free, no subscription fee. After that the billing option you choose kicks in. Most die hards use the 6 months for the cost of 5 months option.
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Originally posted by funkedup
If you are going to spam us with comparisons of AH and Jogging Sim 2000 err WWIIOL, at least get your facts right.
Which facts were wrong, I said I may be wrong as I was going off of what people including you guys have said and by what iI have seen in screenshots.
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Tardcase or a clone? You be the judge.
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You are almost as obsesive as Blair.
No I am Imsneaky. Only WIIOL name I've had.
It came from my Delta Force name that was bestowed on me by an opponent in a Search and Destroy game where I snuck through their spawn to blow up their base.
They had 9 of 11 targets destroyed in our base and we had none in theirs. They had our team locked down, we couldn't get near their base, so I flanked hard and went rightin through their spawn. Once in I laid my four satchels then went to the armory to get more. Only after I laid satchels in all the targets did I trigger them.
They had 10 of 11 targets by this time and when the game ended many of their players were typing words of triumph. They didn't realize they had just lost. Then the ones who did notice started informing them and they were like "WTF? How? Who?? When??"
It was all very amusing. Anyway one of their better players told me "Man you are one Sneaky S.O.B., that should be you name."
My teammates were all like, heck yeah man, it fits.
So I changed it and most Delta Force Players know me as SneakySOB*TOMB*
*TOMB* stood for *Team of Old Men & Bastards* :D
Anyway when Isigned up for WWIIOL it wouldn't recognize capitol leters so when I put in Sneaky, it said the name was either invalid or already taken. So I said "I'm Sneaky Beotch then laughed and said hey thats it, "imsneaky" and typed it in and it took. So since June 6th 2001 the WWIIOL community has known me as imsneaky.
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I don't give a rat's bellybutton about WW2OL. So do most of the people here, else they would be on the WW2OL boards.
So STFU.
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Jesus guys! Go easy! Its off topic! THey can post about any flight sim they want.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
Not
7 days are free.
If you choose to subscribe after the 7 day trial, you pay for the game just as you would say EQ in the store by paying 19.99 for the keycode. Then you get the first 30 days free, no subscription fee. After that the billing option you choose kicks in. Most die hards use the 6 months for the cost of 5 months option.
Thank you...now I understand.
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
How do you figure that it has no flight model? I believe it has a great flight model.
Sorry Imsneaky, I play both, the ww2ol FMs quite a ways behind AH's. The 109s not too bad but the 110s model is terrible. The damage model is equally bizzare in the air.
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Ah vulcan... just let people continue to compare the game they play with the one they haven't. Its more fun that way.
BTW... why do I get the feeling CIA F-16s are about to come into play here? Maybe its just that **** is getting deep.
MiniD
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WW2OL guys. Anyone that was going to try your trial has already by now. Stop the spam, it's in bad taste. We are on this BBS because we love Aces High. Dont you get it?????
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Okay so let me see if I have this straight?
In AH the word "free" in the phrase "free trial" means ... umm free. Okay I got that.
In WWIIOL "free" means that when you buy the game you can play online for a specified time at no additional cost. So "free" means "no additional cost". In other words, they are lying. And this pattern continues in their claims of release dates, promised features, system requirements, etc...
Okay I think I have it now.
Hooligan
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Originally posted by Imsneaky
anyway AH has icons over every unit including the enemy units. Is this true? WWIIOL does not do that, only air units but the big difference is that frindly and enemy air icons are grey at a distance when in real life you would only see that a plane is there but not be able to tell friend or foe. Also when you change your view from say, front to left it takes a second for the icon to light up and fades in. This is realistic because in real life when you fly around and look to your left you will not instantly be drawn to the enemy aircraft by a neon sign saying "look here". It's a realistic amount of time it takes for target aquisition.
This is one thing that I really like about WW2OL. The icons are nice and I wouldn't mind seeing them here. That being said, I am not gonna be upset if they remain the same in AH.
Our aircraft can actually hide in a cloud. I watched a 109 fly up into the clouds and his icon dissapeared. There were only a few aircraft at the airfield since it was early in the morning and not many people were on.
In Aces High, planes can actually hide in a cloud. I watched a 109 fly up into the clouds and his icon disappeared. There were only a few aircraft at the airfield since it was early in the morning and not many people on.
AH has no side specific rides, it's red vs blue not Axis vs Allies.
In the Main Arena, there are no side specific rides. In the Combat Theater and scenarios, there are side specific rides (and this is also the case with the upcoming mission theater in AH2).
AH has no ground clutter.
Aces High has ground clutter. I see trees, little huts with naked chicks, rocks, and bushes all over the place (well, except over the water).
AH has no infantry.
This is true, but I will also add that if I wanted to play infantry soldier, I would play Raven Shield, MoH, DoD, or some other shooter. Then again, this may just be me.
You actually have to search visually for the enemy and it looks more realistic because there is no neon sign telling you where he is.
While this may be true, many people (myself included) are not looking to spend 4 hours a night looking for 3 dogfights to take part in. I prefer to be able to get up in the air, find my enemy, shoot them down, and land, all in about 10-15 minutes.
AH does not have a damage model as intense as WWIIOL that models all the vitals in a plane or tank. Does the AH damage model take into acount armor thickness, slope, velocity of projectile etc, etc, etc. before it decides that a hit did any damage?
As a matter of fact it does. I have been tooling around in an F6F and been hit several times and no damage. Other times, I die from a pilot kill on the first burst. There are many systems in each vehicle/plane/boat that can be damaged. It is not a "20 hits and your plane blows up" damage system.
AH does not incorporate supply or attrition.
This is not present in AH, that is true. But by the same token, I prefer the ability to be able to up in an F6F when I want to instead of hoping some newbie that doesn't know about being vulched doesn't up 50 times in a Hellcat and attrit all the available F6F's. I am also happy that I can fly an F6F even though I may have a low rank, and thus be stuck flying an F4F all tour because I don't have the time to devote to increasing my overall rank so I can fly my favorite plane.
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Sorry Imsneaky, I play both, the ww2ol FMs quite a ways behind AH's. The 109s not too bad but the 110s model is terrible. The damage model is equally bizzare in the air.
its behind because its not complete yet,but whats already made is pretty good,but for now yes aces high is were it is if you are looknig for only a flight sim.
In AH the word "free" in the phrase "free trial" means ... umm free. Okay I got that.
In WWIIOL "free" means that when you buy the game you can play online for a specified time at no additional cost. So "free" means "no additional cost". In other words, they are lying. And this pattern continues in their claims of release dates, promised features, system requirements, etc...
Okay I think I have it now.
no,you dont get it let me brea it down for you,its not very difficult.
first you sign up for the free 7 day trial,no credit card is needed,no cdkey needs to be bought.
after those completely free 7 days you can choose to purchase a cd key online for $20.
that is the same thing as buying the game in a store like you would with everquest or dark age of camelot.
with that cd key you get 1 month free,after that then you start paying $13 a month if you want to subscribe.
If you are going to spam us with comparisons of AH and Jogging Sim 2000 err WWIIOL, at least get your facts right.
we could say the exact same to you guys about wwIIol,if youre gonna comment make sure you know what youre talknig about.
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You jogging sim 2000 guys are the ones that came in here and started this crap. Why don't you guys go crawl back in your little holes and leave this bbs alone?
I never cared for the intent or design of jogging sim 2000 so never wanted to try it.
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Actually AH does have supply and attrition.
You can:
- bomb field fuel supplies, thus attriting fuel
- bomb field ordinance supplies, thus attriting rockets/bombs
- bomb field vehicle hangars, thus attriting vehicles
- bomb field fighter hangars, thus attriting fighters
- bomb field bomber hangars, thus attriting bombers
- bomb field barracks, thus attriting troops (used for capture)
- bomb fuel factors, thus slowing down the rebuilding of fuel
- bomb ammo factories, thus slowing down the rebuilding of ordinance
- bomb grunt training facilities, thus slowing down the rebuilding of barracks
- bomb cities, thus slowing down the rebuilding of all of the above
- drop field supplies using C47s, thus speeding up the rebuilding of the above
WW2OL attrition is interesting, however it does have its issues. For example, you never hear the term 'griefer' in AH. Whereas 'griefers' seem to pop up all over WW2OL. For AH guys, an griefer is basically a spy from the other side who simply spawns vehicles and takes them out of the base limits, then despawns, thus attriting and using up vehicles at a base. Then theres the worst kind of griefers, they spawn an Opel and load up with infrantry (ie other players), then drive right into the guns of their mates so they can rack up easy kills (something I could imagine the FDB's being keen on).
The WW2OL attrition system also leads to a lot of 'camping' on both sides. Basically you take a crapload of tanks and park outside the spawn points. Eventually the enemy runs out of tanks, ATGs, infantry, and you can take the town with ease. Allies get the upper hand on this as their takes, albiet slower, tend to have much better armour and get one shot kills easily at close range. So 9 times out of 10 an allied assault is a column of tanks driving to the spawn point.
Having said that CRS have recognised the limitations of the system and are coming up with a new system called Brigade spawning which involves dispersed spawn points and some hierarchal system to help prevent 'griefers' (which I don't really understand but the community seems to have mixed emotions on).
I think AH2 would do well to incorporate attrition on a strategic scale, I'm not convinced yet on using at a tactical scale a la WW2OL.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Then theres the worst kind of griefers, they spawn an Opel and load up with infrantry (ie other players), then drive right into the guns of their mates so they can rack up easy kills (something I could imagine the FDB's being keen on).
The FDBs would probably only "grief" each other :)
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C'mon Vulcan....we dont shoot down friendlies....just sorry bastards...aka squaddies.
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I thought it was "Virtual Jogger 1.xx"
I'll just stick with wwporkonline
That games a pos and has been a pos since day 1. Fanbois have been coming here after every "update" saying how its improved.
All they improved was eliminating a few bugs and some small tweaks with the tired out "flag grab" gameplay. They jump to developing future vehicles with out completing the B of F. Its improved since its release but it couldnt get any worse (well it almost did when it began eating hard drives).
These current batch of fanboi comes here now and thinks hes has found a whole new crop of suckers he can peddle his snake oil to. They spew out bs like "combined arms" as if they invented it. "Well when I fly my stuka I can actually go hit ground targets"...... and we are supposed to say "wow! no ****"
Their version of the hampster wheel is no different there ours or wbs or aw or any fps. The bs "well when I fly my hurri it makes a difference on the war" tripe is so stupid you can hardly believe they kept saying it. I mean their Battle of France has been going on for 3 years just like our main arena land grab. They have a little prettier tank war and added a half assed inf model but its the same ole ****e. Except their fm and "air war" is totally ridiculous, gamey and generally "unfun".
If the game is so fun and jam packed with "10000 subscribers" then what would they care if a a few ah'rs try it out. They have thrown that 10,000 number around since pre bata. 10000 people per server, they have said 10000 subscribers a year ago when the unshaded tardcase spewed his sales pitch.
After all the welcome back sucker promotions and free trials it seems they are still at 10000. They say theres 1200 online at peak but damned if you can find more then a few here and there.
AH has about 500 or so all easily found and for the most part so is the fight.
The will tell you "well wwporkonline is a different kinda game" and you must endure several hours of boredom before you get sniped by a tank mg.
All of the ah'rs that aint tried it out go ahead and see. Its a turd and has been a turd since day 1. You will see and when youc ome back and tell us all what a turd it was the fanbois will give" it takes more then a week to get a "feel" for wwporkonline".
Any bug you see its your fault. Any suggestion for improvement they tell its otw (and has been since forever). They never take responsibilty for their crappy code and their crappy gameplay model.
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Hmmmm .. ok ... let's see ....
I've got the boxed game that claims to be WWIIonline (Blitzkrieg or whatever). So let's say I try the free trial and take a couple of days of the free trial to download the bazillion bytes needed to upgrade the version I have (which ... quite frankly, ain't too bueno) ... and get my stick setup right ... etc. After five more days (only a few hours of which'll probably be used to check out the game at most) am I gonna hafta buy the game again? I mean hell, I bought it once figuring wth. Didn't like what it was, didn't feel like downloading via dialup for two days to upgrade it to see if that made it better. I dunno if this amazing limited offer is drawing alot of potential customers but it doesn't excite me all that much right now. Maybe when my ship comes in and I have too much time on my hands.
But thanks for askin'.
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Originally posted by chaunsey
its behind because its not complete yet,but whats already made is pretty good...
You would think that after two years of being active, they'd have fixed it by now. Shows what kind of priorities the dev team has in regards to certain elements of their game. I wonder how much more time it will take the Rats to catch up to AH's flight model once AH2 comes out later this year, that is if the Rats can catch up.
Ack-Ack
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im not going to even reply to batz over there because he obviously doesnt have a clue wtf he's talknig about considering the outright lies he's spewing.
arlo,youre still not getting it,you dont buy any box to play the free trial,you simply sign up with a valid email address,you dont even need a credit card.
again,the 7 day trial is 100% free,no purchasing of anything of any kind.
also you dont need a couple of days to download anything.
you download the complete file off the website,that file comes already updated,tho i think actually it may not have 1.86,so you will have to download a i believe 3 or 4 mb patch,but it does that for you when you login.
ack ack the problem is they have to give equal dev time to infantry,tanks,and air,thats three seperate games they gotta work on basically.
then there's the on going development of the map,non stop graphics updates being worked on,new vehicles,bug fixes,tweaks,various LARGE features that they are working on.
they have alot to do all at the same time,and they already work long hours,its just not humanly possible to go any faster atm.
but the flight model and all aircraft i believe are being worked on atm.
and no they'll never catch up to aces high's flight model mmost likely because im assuming its always being worked on?,even if not it'll take them awhile.
thats beauase as i said,they cant concentrate only on the air portion,not even mostly,the game is not a flight sim.
infantry,tanks,and air,have to get equal development time,along with all the major system changes always being worked on.
thats why if you are into flight sims,and the war aspect is not your game then aces high is the game for you.
personally tho i suck at dog fighting,im a ground pounder,tho i can bomb pretty well,so aces high altho good wouldnt be worth a monthly sub just for me to get shot down dozens of times a day by you folks :D
tho i still havent been able to try the demo i downloaded thanks to my Golly-geen video card fan and crappy case.
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Define irony: http://www5.wwiionline.com/bv/wwiiolhq/dg_message.jsp?group_id=8809&parent_id=59589&BV_SessionID=@@@@1487253394.1054790004@@@@&BV_EngineID=dadchgjhdjekbjjcgmcggichhl.0
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Define irony: http://www5.wwiionline.com/bv/wwiiolhq/dg_message.jsp?group_id=8809&parent_id=59589&BV_SessionID=@@@@1487253394.1054790004@@@@&BV_EngineID=dadchgjhdjekbjjcgmcggichhl.0
lol
Nice subject bu way off topic ... please go eat worm now.
Actually I've played WW2OL and from having to pay for the box, and then basically paying to patch it up to playing standard (120+MB from memory)...it was a fairly ordinary game.
I did like the tanks, but then spending 10 mins looking for a fight got really old, really fast....although when there was action (usually in defence, against an organised attack - read: in the right place at the right time..and not often) it was fairly interesting.
But would I go back....ahhhh Hell no, I'll stick to DOD for the first person shooting, and AH (not that I get to play hardly ever anyhow) for the rest...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Denwad
You're paying 19.99 for the key to create an account. Boom, thats ALL you're paying for with that 19.99. Without the 'free trial' you'd have to activate the account with a valid credit card and pay 12.99 for your first month. The free trial gives you one month free.
AFAIK, AH and Shattered Galaxy are the only two MMOs that give you a free trial without having to purchase the software.
Everquest, AO1/2, Planetside and WWIIOL all follow the "pay for the software, and get a month free" business model.
Calling 19.99 free is gay. 19.99 gives you one month for 19.99, not free......how stupid .
Why call it free? Are you sure it doesnt offer a month trial for fee?
LOL
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Originally posted by TW9
NUKE!!!! xoxoxoxo I MISS U MAN!!
does I knows yas?
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Originally posted by NUKE
does I knows yas?
Am I thinking PJ pilot?
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Originally posted by chaunsey
arlo,youre still not getting it
You're probably right. (Although I think you misunderstood that I've already bought the boxed game. I'm not inclined to buy it twice.) :D Thanks again.
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I'm curious as to how many people actually got to sign up for the free trial? There was something porked about the Gigix account page. Wouldn't accept the info I provided. Clicking on the help link produced nothing. Sent an e-mail to Gigix about the problem, but the contact link they provided was bad, mail returned undeliverable. Said screw it and gave up.
Funny, seems it was just like dealing with CRS.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by -tronski-
interesting.
But would I go back....ahhhh Hell no, I'll stick to DOD for the first person shooting, and AH (not that I get to play hardly ever anyhow) for the rest...
Tronsky
Same here. Even though DoD isn't quite the same as WW2OL, the infantry fighting is way more intense. Tonight I was involved in a hour long battle just for this little farm house on the Kalt map, man was the house-to-house fighting brutal during that battle.
What's funny (and the joke is on me) is that I had pre-ordered WW2OL and now the box has turned into a $40 dollar book end. At least now that I cancelled my WW2OL subscription last fall, I have more money to lavish on all the pretty ewes.
Ack-Ack
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so long as they have a fat drunken aussie liar on the development team then the game will be worthless. Any team with him in an active role is a team of liars and blowhards. That is the kind of problem that just about killed WB... probly kill WWIIOL.
get some honesty in the team and things will turn around... don't tell me..."oh, we used to be lieing sacks of **** but we don't do that anymmore." No? what exactly has changed?
lazs