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Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: funkedup on June 03, 2003, 05:44:21 PM: 12,000 RPM very very bad.

VIDEO (http://the16v.com/media/video/other/RSX-S_misshift.mpeg)

AFTERMATH:
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/DCP_0188.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/DCP_0182.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/DCP_0215.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/New%20pics/DCP_0232.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/New%20pics/DCP_0233.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/New%20pics/DCP_0239.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/New%20pics/DCP_0240.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/New%20pics/DCP_0249.jpg
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: lazs2 on June 03, 2003, 05:58:53 PM: ya know... over the years I have learned to hate the smell of gear oil.
lazs
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Pfunk on June 03, 2003, 06:00:26 PM: Funniest part of the video is hearing the dude ahh ohha ****, me engrish no good, yousa smells do rice?
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: MrCoffee on June 03, 2003, 06:07:36 PM: Yep he threw a rod.

Scientific answer:
Its caused by lack of lubrication along the rods bearing journals and due increase of friction amplifying the extra load along the rods length caused by forces imposed against it at higher RPMs. Perhaps some rod stretching as well and a piston against the combustion chamber/valves thus breaking the rod.

:D
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Ripsnort on June 03, 2003, 06:53:23 PM: Rookies
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Saurdaukar on June 03, 2003, 07:10:02 PM: Maybe they saw a pre-screening of "2 Fast, 2 Furious?"

Guess Daddy will have to buy another car.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: funkedup on June 03, 2003, 07:54:57 PM: Please don't refer to that film by that name.
either
2Fast and Bi-Curious
or
Faster and Furiouser
pls
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: funkedup on June 03, 2003, 07:58:36 PM: Looks like he got 2nd instead of 4th. Those Honda joystick boxes are nice and smooth, but a little too smooth. On a lot of cars you wouldn't even be able to get it into 2nd at that speed. But his went right in... Blammo. Looked like the camera man almost hit his head on the dash.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: nuchpatrick on June 04, 2003, 07:49:38 AM: Hrmm.... does this RSX-S not have a rev limiter?? Thats too funny!!! Rev limitter is my friend!! 7200 RPM :D
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Ripsnort on June 04, 2003, 08:37:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
Looks like he got 2nd instead of 4th. Those Honda joystick boxes are nice and smooth, but a little too smooth. On a lot of cars you wouldn't even be able to get it into 2nd at that speed. But his went right in... Blammo. Looked like the camera man almost hit his head on the dash.

Yep, I'd say thats what happened, looks like that needle went all the way around back to zero too after he blew it. A "360" if you will...:)
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: gofaster on June 04, 2003, 08:47:02 AM: I counted

First gear....
Second gear...
Third gear...
Oh Fahhh Oh Shiiiiii
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Saurdaukar on June 04, 2003, 09:18:07 AM: Funked, I prefer to refer to it as "The semi-swift and slightly miffed."

Oh what a strange world we live in - marketing based even - gotta hand it to the advertisers - they've convinced an entire generation that a 150HP economy car with a 747 wing is faster than an F16.
Title: I wonder....
Post by: Syzygyone on June 04, 2003, 09:49:47 AM: I wonder if warranty will cover that obvious manufactuer's defect. :D :D :D
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: funkedup on June 04, 2003, 10:28:31 AM: Quote
Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Hrmm.... does this RSX-S not have a rev limiter?? Thats too funny!!! Rev limitter is my friend!! 7200 RPM :D

Nuch, rev limiter does jack **** if you put it in 2nd gear at 90 mph. :)
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Swoop on June 04, 2003, 10:39:15 AM: Funked is dead right.

A rev limiter typically cuts the ignition when you hit it and immediately turns off again, that's why when you hit the rev limiter the engine "bounces" off it.

When he shifted to 2nd the engine immediately tried to rev up to the same speed (factoring in gear ratio) as the wheels, it's the cars inertia causing this even though there's engine braking (the camera man hitting the dash is evidence of just how much engine braking there was). Ignition has naff all to do with it at this point.

(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: straffo on June 04, 2003, 10:44:37 AM: Sorry almost non translatable french joke :

Test de voiture :

1 comme première...
2 comme seconde...
3 comme troisième...
4 comme quatrième...
5 comme cinquième...
6 comme sixième...

Et R comme RAPIDE(*) !

(Rapide = fast in french)
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Raubvogel on June 04, 2003, 10:48:30 AM: Ahhhh fu....shi..... LOL :D
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: pugg666 on June 04, 2003, 11:25:52 AM: I have a 91 accord with a 5 speed and it seems to have a mechanical limiter that won't allow me to shift from say 5th to say 2nd at highway speed unless I REALLY force the stick.

at say 120 KPH (bout 75 MPH) if put the clutch to the floor I can't put into a lower gear( even without releasing the clutch) than 3rd and that's pushing it.

that guy was a real moron. I can't stand people that just slam the shifter around, does he think it makes him more of a racer?
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: swoopy on June 04, 2003, 11:29:04 AM: i would say i feel sorry for the guy, but ill just laugh instead :D

i dout it would have lastet long anyway, with him going to the limiter every change!
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: nuchpatrick on June 04, 2003, 11:48:25 AM: Theres nothing wrong with hitting the Limitter all the time. Thats why its there. A manufactured design safety..Except for the moron in the RSX!!!

Some of our cars are ment to be driven at higher RPM's Honda S2000, Civic Si's, Toyota Celica (01-03), MR2 Spyder, Mazda Miata, Protege5 just to name a few...

This is where the Variable Valve Timing come to work at the higher power band where these motors shine with their power. You have to run depending on the car 6500-9000 RPM to get the most of these smaller engines. Which their designed to run at these high RPM's. Unless you have the 'miss-shift' which the fuel cut off/rev limiter should kick in.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: slimm50 on June 04, 2003, 12:04:24 PM: My favorite part is the picture where he's got it the engine out and you can see the top of someone's head. Well, in the background you can see who looks to be his wife or girlfiend, maybe. The look on her face seems to be saying..."What a dumb Sh*t. He just haaad to put all our extra money in his little toy, and now lookatit!".
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: texace on June 04, 2003, 12:10:18 PM: This is the result of piss poor driving and shifting habits combined with bad driving.

I read the entire story on the borads where this guy posted. Apparently, he was trying to prove to his buddy how quick his BRAND NEW Acura RSX was. He was redlining every gear, shifting only when the RPMs were over 7,500. When he tried to slow down, the driver pulled too far to the left on the shift knob and dropped it into 2nd. Since he didn't try to left up the clutch, but rather let it pop on its own, he blew his pistons right out the bottom of the block.

A really funny story. If I can find the link, I'll put it up...
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: swoopy on June 04, 2003, 12:16:47 PM: Never take ure engine to the limiter just before is enough, plus a limiter wouldnt help u if u miss a gear as the guy wanted to find out:)

He was snaping the clutch up as well ( as u can hear when he changes to 2nd) if he was driving properly he could have saved the engine by just dipping the clutch again, .
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 04, 2003, 12:19:50 PM: Is the max torq at the limiter on those little bullets?

Talking about limiters, in my dad was fairly drunk getting out of a bar in his early years.

He went in his 911 and couldn't understand why everytime he was reaching 90 KPH his engine would shut down ... After a bunch of restarts, he finally realized that he never left the parking lot and he was just reving the engine thinking the RPM guage was the KPH.

Better this way, it's a funny story to tell rather than "my dad died DUI".
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: swoopy on June 04, 2003, 12:23:03 PM: limiters are electronic nowadays, soon as u hit the limit ure throttle is closed, saves u from inserting ure valves into pistons :)
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 04, 2003, 12:36:01 PM: When the timing belt of my Prelude broke, I engraved my 16 valves into my 4 cylinders:D
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: nuchpatrick on June 04, 2003, 02:21:39 PM: I duuno.. I get max tq at 6500 rpm red line is 7000 the limitter is set 7200. While autcrossing is common for me to hit the limitter.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Skuzzy on June 04, 2003, 02:23:15 PM: I remember that story Frenchy. How you been doing?
Title: Re: I wonder....
Post by: JBA on June 04, 2003, 04:56:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Syzygyone
I wonder if warranty will cover that obvious manufactuer's defect. :D :D :D

Just erase that type first.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: JBA on June 04, 2003, 04:58:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
When the timing belt of my Prelude broke, I engraved my 16 valves into my 4 cylinders:D

Honda has a problem with that sort of thing. If you blow a belt of rod the the pistons crush your valves almost everytime.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: funkedup on June 04, 2003, 05:36:49 PM: You have to replace the Honda timing belt according to the maintenance schedule. It is a wear item and it will fail eventually, and the pistons will do bad things to your valve train. They are highly stressed motors. 100 hp / liter is not easy to achieve in such a lightweight, tractable, and low emissions package. But if you take care of them they will last. I've never heard of a timing belt failure on a Honda which was not caused by PM negligence.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: cpxxx on June 04, 2003, 08:44:19 PM: Here's a link to a site with fast cars some of you may like. Some very irresponsible driving. Tut Tut I don't approve:rolleyes:

http://carfreaks.b0nk.net/

There are some big downloads so watch out. My favourite is the Pikes Peak hillclimb. Some need passwords for some reason. Also take a look at the gumball and mischief videos. Also the city race mpg in what looks like Germany.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Stringer on June 04, 2003, 10:56:47 PM: There'd better be a milf in those links somewhere Funked!!
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: funkedup on June 05, 2003, 01:36:11 PM: Sorry no MILFs. :)

Here's the pistons from that car:
(http://webpages.charter.net/mroby/blown%20engine/New%20pics/DCP_0242.jpg)
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: funkedup on June 05, 2003, 01:48:18 PM: I made a little pic (http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=265921) to commemorate this great event:
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Ripsnort on June 05, 2003, 02:00:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
I made a little pic (http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=265921) to commemorate this great event:

LOL!
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: Fuzzy on June 06, 2003, 09:09:36 PM: I have an RSX-S, great car, fun to drive. 9 out of 10 Fuzzys agree: wrist pins in dunk tank are bad, pistons that look like little baked potatos are even worse.
Title: How Not To Shift A Six Speed
Post by: SKurj on June 06, 2003, 09:38:12 PM: Saw a very similar trail behind the parents Mercury Lynx HO back when I was about 17....

Only it was the transaxle I blew...

Watched it fail again about 2 years later as mum shifted down to pull into the driveway...

Glad I won't have any kids driving my cars (not that I have any cars or kids yet) for a looong time.

SKurj