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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Jester on June 03, 2003, 11:16:03 PM
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DUEL FOR SUEZ: OPERATION KADESH/MUSKETEER 1956
This scenario represents the 1956 war in which the Anglo/French/Israeli forces attempted to retake the Suez Canal after it had been nationalized by Egypt.
ISRAEL (BISHOPS)
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ME-262 (Meteor, Ouragan, Mystere IVA)(Based back field)
MOSQUITO
P-51D MUSTANG
B-17G FORTRESS (Based back Field)
D3A1 VAL (AT-6 Harvard)
C-47 DAKOTA
M-3 HALFTRACK
M-8 ARMORED CAR
M-16 FLAK TRACK
PANZER IV (M4, M50 Sherman)
OSTWIND
ANGLO/FRENCH CARRIER FORCE (BISHOPS)
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To represent OPERATION MUSKETEER, the English/French Carrier Forces. 1 CV fleet will be English, 1 CV fleet will be French.
TEMPEST (Sea Hawk/ Wyverns)
F4U-4 CORSAIR
TBM AVENGER
LVT-2/4
EGYPT (KNIGHTS)
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ME-262 (Meteor, Vampire, MIG-15) (Based back field)
SPITFIRE IX
SPITFIRE XIV
AR-234 (IL-28 Beagle) (Based Back Field)
A-20 HAVOC
IL-2 (IL-10)
C-47 DAKOTA
LVT-2/4 (BMP-1 APC)
M-8 Armored Car (BTR-60)
M-16 Flak Track (BTR-152)
PANZER IV (T-34/85)
TIGER 1 (JS III)
OSTWIND
MAP & FIELD SETTINGS:
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ARENA SETTINGS
MAP: Tunisia
Morning: 6:15, Evening: 18:45
Fuel: 1.2
Dar: 500 ft, Full Friendly
Ack: .7
Downtimes: Ack: 20 minutes, 30 minutes all others.
SET-UP NOTES:
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All Jets are Free, just based at back fields.
C43 will be designated the English Carrier Group
C44 will be designated the French Carrier Group
Tigers 1's (JS III) Will be perked 3 pts each.
If Egyptians are pushed off the Western side of the map, they loose the Suez.
DO NOT ATTACK ROOK TARGETS AT BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER OF MAP
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Well now, THIS is going to be interesting to say the least!!
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week without CT for me :(
ramzey
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Looks intresting Andi,thanks.
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outa attract every jet deeb from MA for miles around :(
finland or stalingrad next pls
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Originally posted by Eagler
outa attract every jet deeb from MA for miles around :(
finland or stalingrad next pls
What happened to, "Where's my 109F?":)
Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
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Well, I for one am looking forward to fly that Tempest, I never think about doing that in the MA, so... I'll consider this as "Training Grounds".
might be fun, if a tad fast :)
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This sounds great, plz tell me you skined the 262s in some genaric skin so it doesnt feel like a 262 any more.....
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bwahahaha.!!!
D3A1...
bwahahahaha!!!
well, it might be just slow enough to make a Me262 auger around it or something. :D
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hurrah! tempest!
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Ya, this should be prety fun, I am realy looking forward to it.:)
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Me too. I for one applaud Andijg for coming up with a way to extend our plane set to cover more historical ground.
! Jet vs. jet requires a whole new way of thinking about ACM, and gunnery becomes ever more important IMO. Plus, both the Tempest and the Pony are fast enough that any mistake on the part of the jetjockies will prove fatal. I love the early war set ups, but it's fun to drive the muscle cars on occasion. Ever vultch in a 262? You can plow a furrow faster than you can say "lawndart" if you're not careful. And nothing beats the rush of my patented low-level sneak in a jet. Just be careful you don't suck a sheep into the intakes:D.
Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
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" Ever vultch in a 262? You can plow a furrow faster than you can say "lawndart" ,".
LOL, done this a few times:)
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When do we get back to WWII?
Splash1
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Jet vs. Jet sux. Done it a few times in KOTH, always makes for the most boring rounds.
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Sorry If I offended some of you guys out there - just trying to bring a little variety to the CT instead of the same ole same ole. I guess we could always have another Slot Map. :rolleyes:
Don't worry - I won't bother to do all the research on the next one - will just throw something together at the last minute.
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Easy Andi, this looks like it will be fun as hell. I respect those guys opinions but flying Hog-4s and Temps vs 262s and Spit14s sounds pretty neat. Like Sabre said, you did a great job doing something different with a stale-ass plane set. Keep up the good work. <
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Originally posted by Andijg
Sorry If I offended some of you guys out there - just trying to bring a little variety to the CT instead of the same ole same ole. I guess we could always have another Slot Map. :rolleyes:
Don't worry - I won't bother to do all the research on the next one - will just throw something together at the last minute.
Dont sweat it man, most of these ppl are hard core axis players that have there pantys in a bunch becuz the allies and axis are somewhat even.
I think you have done a great job setting this up. The idea is great. It must have been one hell of a challenge. Plz dont just toss somthing together, like some of the other CTs have done in the past. Its just ruins it. This is the main reasion I havent flown CT at all this week other than squad ops. Its just no fun flying agint Nikis that can climb upstairs to our jugs at 25K ft and fight like there at 5K ft. (thats right I said it the Niki FM is screwed up)
So atleast this week we wont have to be called Spit 14 dweebs, or we wont have to call Niki dweeb. Looks very balanced. Good Job.
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Andijg! Thanks for all the hard work and research that went into this coming setup. Its a nice way to work in the late war planeset.
Even if it's not your cup of tea, it's only a week. Give Andi a break, folks.
Andi, even if people are voicing opinions against the setup, I'm sure its not digs against you. Keep up the good work!
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Originally posted by Sabre
What happened to, "Where's my 109F?":)
Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
I was just stating a fact ... don't take it personal :)
and "you forgot the 109f" :)
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:mad:
next setup: the hatfield's vs. the mccoy's
Hatfields (BISHOPS)
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ME-262 (Mule on Steroids)(Based back field)
MOSQUITO (Little buzzy things that sucks blood, rendering vicitm unable to play for 10 minutes)
P-51D MUSTANG (Pony)
B-17G FORTRESS (Mobile Home with Gun Turrents)(Based back Field)
M-3 HALFTRACK (Mule Drawn Wagon)
M-8 ARMORED CAR (Pony Drawn Wagon)
M-16 FLAK TRACK (McCoy Prisoner of War Drawn Wagon)
PANZER IV (River Barge on Wheels)
OSTWIND (Wagon Carrying 10 Hatfields with Shotguns)
McCoys (KNIGHTS)
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ME-262 (Mule on Steroids) (Based back field)
SPITFIRE IX (McCoys with Pa's Secret Recipe (Moonshine) in Mouths, Spitting on Passersby)
SPITFIRE XIV (Ditto Above, but Longer Range)
AR-234 (GreyHound Dogs with Shotguns on Backs) (Based Back Field)
A-20 HAVOC (Mobile Home on Wheels with Gun Turrents)
IL-2 (River Barge on Wheels)
C-47 DAKOTA (Wagon)
M-3 HALFTRACK (Mule Drawn Wagon)
M-8 ARMORED CAR (Pony Drawn Wagon)
M-16 FLAK TRACK (Hatfield Prisoner of War Drawn Wagon)
PANZER IV (River Barge on Wheels)
OSTWIND (Wagon Carrying 10 McCoys with Shotguns)
MAP & FIELD SETTINGS:
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ARENA SETTINGS
MAP: Appalachian Mountains
Morning: When the Roster Crows, Evening: When Pa Passes out
Fuel: 1.2
Dar: 500 ft, Full Friendly
Ack: .7
Downtimes: Ack: 20 minutes, 30 minutes all others.
SET-UP NOTES:
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All Mules are Free, just based at back fields.
C43 will be designated the Hatfield Carrier Group
C44 will be designated the McCoy Carrier Group
Tigers 1's (JS III) Will be perked 3 pints of moonshine each.
If Hatfields are pushed off the Western side of the map, they
loose the Mountains and their virgin women.
Oy Veh! :mad:
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LOL
no they'll lower the lethality of the rounds, only give us hurri and spits with the carb problems and call it WW1 airwar :)
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Original quote by Emptygun26
"Dont sweat it man, most of these ppl are hard core axis players that have there pantys in a bunch becuz the allies and axis are somewhat even.
I think you have done a great job setting this up. The idea is great. It must have been one hell of a challenge. Plz dont just toss somthing together, like some of the other CTs have done in the past. Its just ruins it. This is the main reasion I havent flown CT at all this week other than squad ops. Its just no fun flying agint Nikis that can climb upstairs to our jugs at 25K ft and fight like there at 5K ft. (thats right I said it the Niki FM is screwed up)
So atleast this week we wont have to be called Spit 14 dweebs, or we wont have to call Niki dweeb. Looks very balanced. Good Job."
Are you sure you're call sign shouldn't be emptyhead or emptyskill?
If you can't handle N1k's, why don't you ask some of the allied fliers that eat 'em alive like Seahob or Xaqut1 how to beat them. I get so sick of you tards whinin' that the N1K is invincible. What a load of crap.
And I'm not criticising Anjig's work, it's just that I think these Jet battles are going to fizzle. As I stated earlier, We've done the 163 and 262 in KOTH and it really sucked. I would like this setup pretty well if it didn't include the jets. But hey, you can't make everyone happy, just expressing my opinion.
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Originally posted by Eagler
I was just stating a fact ... don't take it personal :)
and "you forgot the 109f" :)
Hehe, I know Eagler. Just couldn't resist...you just left the chain dangling there, so I yanked it:). And yes, I misquoted you. Been spending too much time reading the O'Club threads I guess. After all, it's been raised to an art form in there.
Tuck: Funny stuff.
Andi: Where's that flame retardant jumpsuit we issued you when you joined the CT Staff? Didn't I tell ya not to take it off for anything?
Sabre
CT Staff, Reserve
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Jester
You know the 325th will be flying your set up, I remember you talking about this when you were still a Checkertail. You know as well as I do that the skies are going to be filled with 262's as soon as the other arena finds out that they are free. So you will se us in 51's on squad night... Thanks for taking the time to make some good set ups...
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
You know as well as I do that the skies are going to be filled with 262's as soon as the other arena finds out that they are free.
I'm not sure that this is so. Jet flying gets old really quick, and I think it's likely that this setup will draw the MA people who want to fly un-perked Spit14s, F4U-4s and Tempests, too. In fact....looking at the plane selection, and the clever way the planes have been distributed, I'm beginning to think that I'll get to fly a Spitfire without shame.
- oldman
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
You know the 325th will be flying your set up
Rgr that our Ponys are going to kills some Migs.....
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OK Folks,
It may come to pass that this set-up will fly like a armor plated water buffalo but I have always wanted to see how a set-up like this would go so we are going to try it - at least for a little bit. If you are right we won't see it again anytime soon. Good Enough?
That was my thinking behind the set-up at first you might have nothing but jets. But if anyone is going to take any turf they are going to have to get in something with a prop that can lug some ord.
What I would like to see is a few jets here and there but jets on the other side to oppose them while the ground war and A2G stuff goes on.
It is a damn shame that HTC didn't model the 262 where it would carry the bombs and R4M rockets it could carry. It would give this set-up a whole new angle.
Will try to hold the rants to a minimum in the future but gives a warning that I can "Piss and Moan" with the best of them. ;) (climbs back into nomex suit).
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Will try to hold the rants to a minimum in the future but gives a warning that I can "Piss and Moan" with the best of them. (climbs back into nomex suit).
Good show! A+ for all the hard work you put into this. Thanks for working on the CT staff! :)
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Hang, on, Tuck. I've got Hatfields on my great-grammaw's side. I resemble those remarks.
:D
RE this week's trip to Fantasyland .. I'm sure andijg put plenty of thought into the setup. And I'm sure it offends him when people turn around and piss on it. But them's the breaks. We've all got opinions, and when you step into the kitchen, you're just liable to catch some heat. Nothing personal in it.
This setup doesn't appeal to me because I want to play a WWII sim. I also dislike any setup that features jets, but that's secondary.
The fantasy setup awhile back involving the Soviets and the other allies fighting over Japan after the surrender was a real stretch for me .. and although this one's based on real history, I think it's even worse, relying on substitutes for over a dozen craft. You can call it Israel vs Egypt over the Suez ... but it's going to play like an MA-style free-for-all over a desert map. Sound familiar?
Furthermore, I gather none of the planes has the appropriate skin or markings -- a shortcoming of the game, not andijg's -- adding to the stretch.
I'd just rather stick with WWII, that's all. Call it the same ole same ole if you want, that's what the game is about ... at least for me.
Good thing is, CT has enough people flying it that you can afford to drive away a few regulars for a week every now and then. Right?
Splash1
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if i may say...
even my grouchy non-enthusiastic about this setup bellybutton greatly appreciates the work you musta put into this. my problem with it is simply the fact that, and i think i speak for a lot of ct'ers, i'm a wwII aviation kinda guy. if i wanted to fly in other realms, i'd go check out other sims. not trying to flame ya...but does that make sense?
for the enjoyment of all regular ct'ers, i hope it flies (pun intended), and again, i DO appreciate your efforts. but in the future, could we stick to wwII stuff, puhlease?
that is all. :)
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:rolleyes: @ the anal retentive "purists." The CT just barely covers any sort of "realism" and mostly due to the fact it's simply axis v allies over some very decent and historical terrains - very little with the way the "battles" are actually fought by the "regulars."
lol. buncha slobberdonleys. loosen up a bit and enjoy these kind of setups as an oppt'y to see how various planes match up.
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Crawl back in your hole, Shane.
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maybe i'll just fly CT more often and show you exactly how much you still suck. and tell you that. repeatedly.
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Once Suave have idea about moon terrain and me163 fights
how about that? :D :D
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"The fantasy setup awhile back involving the Soviets and the other allies fighting over Japan after the surrender was a real stretch for me .. "
The adation of US planes to that set up was a strech, but the Russians did fight the Japanese on those very Islands modeled on that Map in Augast 45, and it was not after the cesation of hostitality's, it did hapen during the war.
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Originally posted by brady
[B The adation of US planes to that set up was a strech, but the Russians did fight the Japanese on those very Islands modeled on that Map in Augast 45, and it was not after the cesation of hostitality's, it did hapen during the war. [/B]
I'm talking about the one on the Perdonia map that was mostly Yaks and La7s vs Tempests and P51s.
Splash1
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Originally posted by Shane
maybe i'll just fly CT more often and show you exactly how much you still suck. and tell you that. repeatedly.
Cliched. Next...
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Nice setup !
Originally posted by Shane
:rolleyes: @ the anal retentive "purists."
You would better write : the anal retentive "pruritus." in this case...
I'm kidding no flame intended :)
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Awwwwww man...back to the dictionary. :D
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Originally posted by daddog
Good show! A+ for all the hard work you put into this. Thanks for working on the CT staff! :)
so does that mean we're flying the CT tonight after Squad Ops? :D
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LOL nif! Yup! :D
Though I tend to agree with Dennis This setup doesn't appeal to me because I want to play a WWII sim. I also dislike any setup that features jets, but that's secondary.
More important I want to support the efforts of the CT staff and most important I want to shoot down shane some day.
:cool:
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I like Shane
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Originally posted by Drunky
I like Shane
No no no...we LOVE Shane!!
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Flew this after the ToD was over in 14 minutes for me tonight...
Man, remind me to keep my durn mouth shut about 1950 Korea next time, eh?
Interesting how similar this setup is to the random thoughts I posted a while back...
I *like*...and it seems to be playing out the way I thought... Prop jobs doing their own thing, with the jets fighting each other, with occasional strafing attempts on the *MUCH* slower prop-iron.
I died a LOT tonight.
Not because I got *shot* a lot, really... But moreso because my SA got low on some anti-tank runs, and I got rearended (multiple times!) by someone swooping in on me in a 'MiG-15', guns blazing (but wildly inaccurate), doing about 550 knots...
*ROFL*
Great fun...whets my appetite for LOMAC, though... :)
Dam-Phy-No!
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thanks andi, looks interesting.